Talk:Yoko Ono/Archive 1

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Open your Box

Yoko's musical career section needs updating after the release of this last album this spring. Not sure whether or not to keep the stuff about Yes I'm a Witch. Anyone? 71.210.182.212 05:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

McCartney conflicts

This was recently added to the article:

Yoko Ono has had a bad relationship with Paul McCartney for some time in a dispute centred around the writing credits for many Beatles songs, traditionally credited to Lennon/McCartney.McCartney had wanted to change this to Paul McCartney and John Lennon for some songs, but she would not allow it. She had also wanted to remove the McCartney credit for "Give Peace a Chance".

To me, this seems more like gossip than like something that belongs in an encyclopedia, especially with no sources. I have no idea whether it is factual, and no idea how I would verify it.

This page is a reference for the give peace a chance credit: [1]. The rest of it is pretty common knowledge, just search for Mccartney-ono feud, and you'll find all the info you need. its not gossip, its fairly well documented.

Peregrine981 03:30, 17 September 2004 (UTC)

Their shakey relationship is not centered on writing credits at all. They havent got along since day 1 some 35 years ago. This squabble is only the latest in a long list of issues they have with each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.29.36.107 (talk • contribs) 10:01, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Japanese musician?

Is it really appropriate to categorize Yoko Ono as a "Japanese musician"? She's western-educated and made most of her career in London and New York. -- Jmabel 17:11, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

I had the same question. I'm changing her to "Musicians". - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 04:05, 8 June 2004 (UTC)

And how is she a "American musician"? She was born in Japan, is ethnically Japanese, and is a Japanese citizen. --Paul Richter 12:09, 28 June 2004 (UTC)

Well, she releases her music for an American audience, on an American record label, in English. But I agree, the line is fuzzy on this one. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:05, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

It's a case where our categories are a mess. We are trying to categorize musicians by nationality, and some people don't neatly fit that pigeonhole. -- Jmabel 17:36, 28 June 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps our categories, like article titles, should be "Musicians of Japan" and "Musicians of the United State", which implies location rather than nationality or ethnicity. Hyacinth 18:44, 28 June 2004 (UTC)

I too was confused when I found her under "Category:Japanese_Americans" (why won't that link?) since I considered her Japanese, but according to the Japanese Americans article, the designation is defined as "a group of people who trace their ancestry to Japan or Okinawa and are residents and/or citizens of the United States." So she qualifies. --Feitclub 20:37, 22 January 2005 (UTC)

Beyond the question about how to describe her nationality, isn't the description "musician and artist" a bit off? The only reason anyone has ever heard of her is that she married John Lennon. She was a celebrity wife, now celebrity widow, who used her husband's fame to gain some exposure for her art and music, but that doesn't make her a musician or an artist. Lots of celebrities release albums, but their descriptions focus on the things that made them famous; for Yoko, that's marrying John Lennon. I can't say much about her art, but, compared to Yoko, Bruce Willis and John McEnroe are musical geniuses.--Rkstafford 19:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Rkstafford, this isn't the place to discuss your opinions of people who have articles dedicated to them. Talk pages are for discussing changes to the article. (205.188.116.73 21:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC))

I agree with rkstafford. She's not a musician. Even applying an extremely loose definition of the word "musician" does not justify saying she's had "considerable success" as one. Lot's of people release albums full of experimental noise.

As she is a citizen of Japan and the United States, she is a Japanese-American. If someone of African, European, South American etc... ancestry was born in Japan and then moved to the United States and gained citizenship, they, too, would be a Japanese-American. To deny Yoko-Ono the title of Japanese-American enforces the idea that people of Asian ancestry in the United States are forever foreign and "belong" to their home countries, which is obviously not the case if they attain citizenship and reside in America.

• When did she become an US citizen? If she is it must have been late 70s or later because she (with Lennon) was under threat of deportation from the US for most of the 70's

I also agree with rktsafford, had she not married John Lennon she would most certainly not be considered a musician, I think the only thing you could really call her is an artist. A terrible one in my opinion but that was her main focus until she married Lennon and all of a sudden became a "musician" If not an artist I guess this article could be listed under manipulative gold diggers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.243.85 (talk) 10:16, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

What an appalling string of comments we have here. Whether or not someone is a "musician" or an "artist" is NOT, repeat NOT driven by the opinions of others about his or her work, if that's what they do that's what they do (there is no disputing the FACT that Yoko has chosen and pursued a career in art, including a lengthy discography of albums to her credit). The relative merits of the quality of the work created by said artist or musician is left to the listener and/or reviewer/critic to discuss. Since Wikipedia is a forum for neither, and is meant to be a neutral summation of that person's life, this notion of whether Yoko Ono is a musician or artist is not in dispute, that's what she is! Whether you personally like her work or not is irrelevent, and frankly some of the comments here display a level of bigotry that should be embarrasing to the posters (manipulative gold digger???).70.91.35.27 (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)Tim

Speculation

I cut the following recent addition:

There is some speculation that Yoko Ono tried to make herself a member of the Beatles, which may have been a major factor in their break up.

There is some speculation about a lot of things, but unless you have a citation, it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:41, 1 March 2005 (UTC)

Tony Cox

An anonymous contributor (who is making mostly good, but extensive and uncommented) edits, has now twice, without explanation, removed the characterization of Ono's 2nd husband Tony Cox as a "Christian fundamentalist filmmaker". I am not getting into an edit war here, but I would like an explanation. Is this an argument over fact? (I'd be open to comparing sources.) Or is this just a claim that this is irrelevant material? (I would strongly disagree.) -- Jmabel | Talk 20:24, 17 March 2005 (UTC)

Tony Cox was a member of fanatical christian organization from around 1972 to 1977. His most notable work as a filmmaker was a negative portrayal of that organization years later. Characterizing him as a Christian Filmmaker at all doesn't really work or make any sense. I would say he doesn't even qualify as a filmmaker. 63.3.5.129 04:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Tony Cox still characterizes himself as an evangelical Christian, though not with the same beliefs as he had when he was with The Walk in 1972-1977. Cox was involved with the production of Yoko's earlier art films in the 1960s, including "Bottoms", and it is from this period of his life that he identified himself as a filmmaker. The documentary "Vain Glory" (1985) was his last film. IMO, the designation "Christian fundamentalist filmmaker" suggests that Cox makes/made films as a Christian fundamentalist or to advance the cause of Christian fundamentalism, and that is not the case. Cox is an evangelical Christian, who made one film which gave an evangelical perspective on a pseudo-Christian cult. 2008-04-10 09:18:21 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Pement (talk • contribs) 02:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:48, 24 March 2005 (UTC)

Artistic inadequacies

Her photograph of Lennon's spectacles, bloodstained from when he was fatally shot outside their Manhattan apartment building on December 8, 1980, sold at auction in London in April 2002 for about $13,000. REMOVED: However in her recent work her decision in September 2004 to turn the main shopping street of Liverpool into a long parade of naked breasts seems crass and highlights her artistic inadequacies.

Removed because this is author's POV, not neutral. Edit to describe prevailing opinion? -Tznkai 15:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

June 2005 remarks

The UK newspaper The Times, for example, called it: "Brilliant ... As always with Ono’s art, a simple act has become a radical one."

The above quotation contained in the article is factually incorrect, in fact the Times did not say that the art itself was "brilliant" but the writer said that the offense caused to the people in Liverpool and "successfully to get right up the noses of the locals, as she always has" was what was referred to as "brilliant".

Here is a link to the article so you can she how the original text has been misinterpreted:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7951-1277922,00.html

Since this site is based on fact, I have removed the above section unless of course the original writer wishes to place the quotation in its intended context, based on prejudice.

EDIT: Someone keeps putting this misquote from the Times back in, whoever is doing this I strongly suggest they follow the link above and actually read the article. I have added a short paragraph from the artice that places the comment in its context and avoids misrepresentation. It now reads:

The UK newspaper The Times said: "Ono manages successfully to get right up the noses of the locals, as she always has. Brilliant...As always with Ono’s art, a simple act has become a radical one."

Please remember this an encyclopedia so let's try to be factual instead of making stuff up!

Tlawrence

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I am adding the following text to the article, I can support the text from reputable news sources and can cite dates of publication. The figures can be found on the BBC news site (I have the web address if there is any problem with these) and the quotations were contained in several sources including the Guardian:

A phone poll by BBC North West Tonight saw 92% of 6,000 viewers who contacted the programme call for all of the posters to be removed from Liverpool. Local councillors welcomed the decision to remove the image from the memorial, saying organisers had been forced to bow to public pressure. "I'm delighted that it has been removed," said Joe Anderson, the leader of the Labour group. "I find it appalling that the picture was put in a place which offended people. St Luke's is a war memorial and many people felt it was being desecrated with this picture."

As this section of text can be supported by reputable news sites and media I feel that has as much place on the site as the section of the article that quotes the Time article that calles Yoko's art "brilliant".

Other quotations included are the comments of Brian Sewell which can be found on the BBC entertainment website, and recent controversy where Yoko edited herself into Beatles' videos in which she did not originally appear. This can be confirmed on the Fox News website.

Tlawrence 17:06, 25 June 2005 (UTC)

Name

Should her name in Japanese be given (at least in parentheses) in the first sentence rather than in the second paragraph? Was there reasoning for the position in it's in now? ~ Dpr 05:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Interesting, if true

A bunch of rather personal biographical information was recently added to the article, which I'd put under the heading of "interesting, if true". No citations, and all came from an IP address never seen before, who edited for about an hour. Does anyone have citations for any of this? -- Jmabel | Talk 06:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

It looks to me like too much information too well written to be made up. M.C. Brown Shoes 09:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, agreed, but it's the sort of stuff that needs citation. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hatred

I personally am a major fan of her and don't believe she caused the Beatles to break, but taht is an undeniable accusation which is much of what people hear. I think that it should at least be mentioned with a neutral POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yelarekardondayo (talk • contribs) 12:56, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Here is a quote from Lennon that may change your view: "It seemed that I either had to be married to them or Yoko. I chose Yoko ... and I was right. They despised her. They insulted her and still do ... they can go stuff themselves." [2] --129.173.105.28 01:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Removed from Wikipedia:Good articles

Sorry, I just don't think this is up to GA standard. The lead section is too short, and the references should substantiate the whole article's content, not just a recent event. Johnleemk | Talk 06:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

that's a lie

I red this article n i guess that's a lie, big lie, u know y? coz Yoko Ono not a Japanese, but she's a Japanese-American, coz she get the United States citizenship, n i guess this article's not neutral side, were u in Japanese side, coz u change evrythin' 4 Japanese, ex: B's no 56 in Best sellin' album of all time, wat is this? How abt Koes Plus(Indonesia)n Siti Nurhaliza(Malaysia)? they sold over 100 million album in South East Asia, so they must be in list, but in fact they'r not in there!!!! back 2 Yoko Ono article, i guess that same if u call Al Capone is Italian or Bing Crosby is Irish. so i guess this site(Wikipedia) lose ur neutral side only 4 Asian, i'm Asian , but i don't lie this, remember! Asia not only Japanese, how abt Indonesia, China or India? they'r Asia! But u never get article of them. Perhaps a little, but that's all, so i supose u must change ur article 2 b neutral article, not asian side article, not just coz Japanese is ur Partner n u forgot other country, ok, Ty 4 ur attent............

friend, the great thing about wikipedia is you can fix it! just like you added your comments on this discussion page, you can edit the article. just remember to follow wikipedia policies when you do so, and if you set up a wikipedia account (under 5 seconds!) it makes it a little easier to communicate with you. -Justforasecond 01:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, Yoko Ono remains a Japanese citizen. If she's also taken U.S. citizenship, that would be news to me. She certainly hadn't at the time of Lennon's death 25 years ago. Does anyone have a citation either on her being naturalized, or when?

Also, I seriously doubt the claim of Siti Nurhaliza ever selling 100 million copies of an album. No question she's a star, and while I can't find any sales figures in ten minutes of web-searching I wouldn't be the least surprised to hear that she has had million-selling recordings, but 100 million-selling? I sincerely doubt it. Do you have a citation for this? -- Jmabel | Talk 20:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

critics unanimously...

Are there any citations for this section:

The media were largely unfair in their coverage of the tour

Who is this "media"?

In one case, a photo of Ono rehearsing to an empty hall before the show was printed as if nobody had come to the actual concert.

This sounds a bit POV, depending on the caption of the photo. There are a lot of photos like this

Despite the bad press, however...critics unanimously praised her for her performances

Well it seems *some* critics weren't very praising -- there was a German DJ asking people to throw bottles at her ;)

-Justforasecond 01:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Sam Havadtoy

• According to imdb, Yoko married Sam Havadtoy after John's death - Is it not necessary to point out this fact in this article? --1523 02:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Just goes to show you can trust IMDB only so far. While he was presumably her lover, and certainly her companion, for even longer than Lennon, I'm pretty sure they were never married. I know that claim has been made; I'd have to see a much better cite than IMDB before I believed it, though. But he probably should be mentioned in the article, once we can sort out what to say. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I recently wrote a term paper on Yoko Ono, and the only source I found indicating that they were married was IMDB, and since a few of their other "facts" on her page were also wrong, I decided the site wasn't credible as a biography of her. I love the site, but it's often wrong. Folkor 17:23, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Good for (official) film credits, pretty good for dates of birth, but I hesitate to trust it for anything else. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

a shareholder and director of Apple?

According to a July 28, 1987 article written by the Associated Press, Apple sued Nike Inc., Capitol Records Inc., EMI Records Inc. and Wieden+Kennedy advertising agency for $15 million. Capitol-EMI countered by saying the lawsuit was 'groundless' because Capitol had licensed the use of "Revolution" with the "active support and encouragement of Yoko Ono Lennon, a shareholder and director of Apple." Why cant i find out about this in the article when its in a Nike article ?--Whywhywhy 05:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

citations

can we have some citations for ono's family hiding out in underground bunkers during wwii?

-Justforasecond 22:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

This sentence does not make sense.

He was taken with the attitude and interactivity of her work, such as a ladder leading up to the word "Yes" written on the ceiling, that she asked him to pay 200 pounds to hammer a nail into a panel of wood (the show was beginning the following day), and a decomposing apple.

Someone care to clean this up? --Dforest 03:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I have updated and expanded that part of the article as follows:

They first met when Lennon visited a preview of an exhibition of Ono's at the Indica Gallery in London on November 9 1966. He was taken with the humor and interactivity of her work, such as a ladder leading up to a black canvas with a spyglass on a chain allowing John to read the word "Yes" written on the canvas. There was also what looked like a real apple displayed with a card reading "APPLE." When John was told the price of the apple was 200 pounds, he thought "This is a joke, this is pretty funny" (Spitz, page 650). Another display was a painted wall with a sign inviting visitors to hammer a nail into its surface. Since the show was not beginning until the following day, Ono refused to allow Lennon to pound the first nail. After a heated discussion with the gallery owner, she told Lennon he could hammer the first nail for five shillings. Lennon replied, "I'll give you an imaginary five shillings if you let me hammer in an imaginary nail" (Spitz, page 632).

I hope these changes have helped change the sentence to an accurate description of the exhibit and their first meeting. JJ 23:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Good work. Though "what looked like a real apple" is slightly unclear -- it was in fact a real apple, right? And was it allowed to decompose during the exhibition? Dforest 02:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm on shaky ground. I'm not certain that the display was of a real apple, and I have read nothing about it decomposing. We should wait for someone who has more specific information to pipe in. JJ 23:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

early life?

all this early life stuff sounds suspicious to me....the emperor was crazy about yoko, yoko's riches-to-rags, character-building story, etc. anyone know where this came from? it at least deserves a "according to so-and-so" in front of it. Justforasecond 01:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I've rewritten the early life section to at least confirm to the known facts. Her family was at the top of Japanese prewar society and very aristocratic. She went to the same schools as the future emperor but anything else is impossible to know because its all schoolyard romance kind of stuff. I think that every girl in that school was convinced that the emperor was crazy about them and didn't take much more than one word or a look to put that idea in their heads. As far as I know, there was never a riches-to-rags story in her life except in a relative sense. Her period of poverty happened at an exclusive mountain resort where the children of the imperial family had also been sent. Even in those circumstances, they had to struggle to get food, but comparatively speaking in 1945 Japan she did not suffer at all. And within a year, she was back enrolled at the "Eton" of Japan. 12.96.162.45 16:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

List of famous prostitutes and courtesans

This list has the following line under the heading "Alleged prostitutes":

• Yoko Ono, according to Albert Goldman's book The Lives of John Lennon

I would ask those familiar with the topic to review it. I have never heard of this, and don't think she should be listed as a "alleged prostitute". However, my attempt to remove her (with many others) was reverted. I don't have the book, so I can't check it (though the article we have on it mentions this). I don't think just because one book says something that we should automatically place her on this list. I think famous people have all sorts of rumors about them, and its a mistake to put them on "alleged lists" for each and every rumor. --Rob 00:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought that was a well known fact by now? Justforasecond 02:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, its not in the bio article. So if its well known, it apparently wasn't seen as signficant. --Rob 03:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Goldman makes the charge about her in the 1950s when she was at college. But he isn't very convincing. Its easy enough to show that she slept around alot. But prostitute requires that she charges. Beyond the lack of evidence for that, there is the problem of what motivation she would have to do it. She didn't lack for money in the years Goldman alleges she did it.12.96.162.45

The book by Goldman verges on libel. I don't think that book should be taken seriously when it comes to encyclopedic information. What you could have is a sentence or two discussing Goldman's accusations, followed by a brief discussion of the controversy of the novel. The book also accuses Lennon of murder, practically, so I don't think that book is a very reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.230.135.88 (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits

I take exception to the some of the edits by 71.106.227.57. The new edit states, "and from that point, they fell in love." They did not begin an affair until two years after the exhibition. And, unless someone has a specific quote from Lennon, how can anyone know when they fell in love? Also, what is the source for John wanting "out" of the group before he met Ono? There needs to be a source for this assertion. Before I rewrite some of this, I'd like to have a discussion here. JJ 14:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, I restored wording of a direct quote from Spitz's book. It seems to me it's very bad form to edit direct quotes, unless they are misquoted.JJ 16:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I wanna add her MySpace since that's more her official site that deals with her own career as an artist. The official one pertains more to the Imagine Peace tower. Sposato (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Fell in love

I deleted the statement about when John and Yoko fell in love. First, it can't be verified. Second, it's not relevant to an encyclopedic entry. I welcome comments. JJ 23:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

non-objective statement

the sentence "Ono's work may best be appreciated by an open mind" is subjective, has imperious connotations, and adds nothing to this article. thus i am deleting it. User:BlueHalo 04:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Removed this from the intro paragraphs.

In Japanese kanji, her name is written 小野 洋子 . Removed a silly comment that had nothing to do with the kanji for Ono Yoko. steven 15:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Also replaced it with: In Japanese kanji, her name is written 小野 洋子 (Ono Yōko). Found it on one of the many sites scraping wikipedia. --Rouge8 05:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted it to before a string of vandalizing edits by Matt Bartlett74, who with poor grammar replaced several important facts with hateful rants.

Japanese Opera??

In the section life with Lennon her music is deemed influenced by "japanese opera". Is the author of this sentence thinking of beijing (chinese) opera? I've never heard this term used. --204.210.233.225 18:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

POV

The article constantly berates Yoko Ono's music, making it sound like a scientific fact that her music is of poor quality, unenetertaining, and of no value. It also accuses Yoko Ono of deceiving customers into thinking they were buying a John Lennon album. These accusations are falsities with no factual basis, which only express the opinions of a handful. The article has to be reworked to express a NPOV. Here's an example of why:

"However, while Lennon's utilized mostly conventional songwriting, Ono's was an all-out screaming assault. Her album included raw and quite harsh vocals that were possibly influenced by Japanese opera. Some "songs" consisted of no more than wordless vocalizations, in a style that would influence Diamanda Galas, Meredith Monk, and other musical artists who have used screams and vocal noise in lieu of words. Perhaps, the most famous song on Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band is "Why", which features Ono screaming the word "Why" for five minutes."

In the current version it reads "Her album included raw and quite harsh vocals that were possibly influenced by Japanese opera, but bear much in common with sounds in nature (especially those made by animals) [...]" - I admit I had to smile when I read that.... Correct me if I'm wrong (I am not familiar with the music of Yoko Ono - so It's not my part to judge) - but this sentence reads a bit too sarcastic for Wikipedia. 84.56.246.1 (talk) 23:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

False Claim

Removed "Ono was among the first to explore conceptual art and performance art" and replaced it with a simple statement that she did explore these forms. Western Performance art began, at the latest, within the futurist movement at the early beginning of the 20th century.

--Daniel 21:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Image

The thumbnail for the GFDL-licensed image Yokobedin1.JPG is not showing up in either of my browsers. Anyone know how to fix this? (Ibaranoff24 03:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC))

Its not working for me either. --66.218.11.146 07:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I purged the image description page - seems to be working now.--Weakmassive 19:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Some information from 2004

Shouldn't it be included? or is it not important enough? Yoko makes a public display Austerlitz 88.72.20.196 13:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Other articles of people contain a "criticism" section.

Should she have one?--Greasysteve13 05:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, no. Unless someone can come up with a reason to criticize her legacy or something to that matter intelligently, sure. But I'm afraid that I would only expect a sugar coated "Yoko Ono is that 'whore' who broke up the Beatles" bullshit on her criticisms page.

Well, this is indeed a popular and common criticism of Yoko Ono, and as such should be reported, no matter how much we agree or not with it: it is widespread in popular culture. --Cyclopia 13:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Relationship with Sam Havadtoy - how long is "some time"?

"Some time after her husband's murder, Ono began a relationship with antiques dealer Sam Havadtoy, which lasted until 2001."

According to this New York Times article, and every other source I've seen, Ono became involved with Havadtoy immediately or very shortly after Lennon's death. 217.155.20.163 01:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

La Monte Young

The "Emergence into the art world" section contained the following sentence:

"La Monte Young, her first important contact (and lover) in the New York art world…"

I have removed "(and lover)" due to the absence of any citations to support the assertion. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 08:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Category

This article seemingly belongs to the "large trivia sections" category, which is untrue, seeing as there's no trivia section at all! If there aren't any objections, I'm removing. Anton1234 05:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering the Linda McCartney article

Shouldn't this be Yoko, Lady Lennon? XD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 00:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

I'm not certain of the rules of Knighthood, but I believe the wife of a Knight becomes a Lady, thus Lady McCartney (or Lady Linda?) per Sir Paul. Lennon wasn't knighted, so Ono wouldn't have that title. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freshacconci (talk • contribs) 17:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

I thought he was. Kinda uneven to knight one and not the other, innit? (Oh right, he's dead)

Diamanda Galas influence?

I don't know Diamanda Galas to be influenced by Yoko Ono in any way. Diamanda Galas is a classically trained singer who developed her extreme vocal techniques (multiphonics, a three and a half octave vocal range, etc.) while performing operas by avant garde composers. I'm sure more than one music journalist has claimed that Galas is using Ono's "primal scream technique," but Galas would definitely take issue with it. An interviewer once refered to her "screaming" and she replied with something along the lines of: "Oh, if I were screaming my voice would have gone out ten years ago." I don't think it's fair to say Ono influenced Galas if Galas herself would dispute it. If someone can find a quote from Galas naming Yoko Ono as an influence, put it back up. Skotoseme 05:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Birth place

What she born in Japan or in the USA, and in which city/place? This information is double-plus unclear from the article. AugustinMa 09:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

My recent rollback

Please see my last roll back. If I was wrong, please correct me. Thanks. --Bhadani (talk) 15:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

No, that just seems like someone's attempt at humour. Freshacconci 15:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Edits to Yoko Ono in Culture

Why did you remove my edit. I am a student at Berwick Academy, I should know these things!

Your edits were removed because there was no source material. Was it covered in a newspaper or magazine? How do we know you're a student at Berwick Academy? And even if you are, your word is not a reliable source. Citations are needed so people don't post whatever they want: you need to prove and support your edits. Thanks. Freshacconci 13:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Here are my sources. http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070222/FOSTERS07/102220189/-1/NEWS14

I will soon find info regarding Ono's part in the canceling of the showing of the movie

I am also a student at Berwick Academy, and what bottinod says is true. Ono did block the footage from viewing at the school. SHe claimed rights to the footage, even though it was sold to the film company. Mathmagician11

Again, if the info is found, add it to the article. Saying you're a student at Berwick Academy isn't a proper source. Freshacconci 15:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

i can prove i'm a student if you like.

Dbottino 17:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Even if you are, it's beside the point. We need a proper citation from a published source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freshacconci (talk • contribs) 17:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

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Yoko or Ono

I see that the name Yoko is used 100 times and Ono is also used exactly 100 times in the article. I would think that it be custom to use one more then the other, but I'm not so sure about Japanese-American people. Even after reading Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) I'm still not sure. They speak so much about the title of articles, but don't tell much about witch name to be used, the family name or the given name. I've heard it's a bit different from the western version. Isn't Yoko the family name and Ono the given name? Witch one should we use? --Steinninn 02:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have thought the family should be the one used throughout the article. ShizuokaSensei 04:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Someone should change all the "Yoko's" to "Ono's" (Ono is the family name. Both are common names in Japan.) It is an amazing coincidence that they both appear exactly 100 times. Steve Dufour 18:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've started to work on this. Steve Dufour 18:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This is now taken care of. BTW in Japan the name "Yoko Ono" (or "Ono Yoko" as they would say it since they put the family name first) is no more remarkable than the name "Jane Smith" is in the USA. There seems to be some mystique about her name in the West which is totally unjustified. Steve Dufour 14:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Moved here from article

Yoko Ono in culture

• Ono was lampooned on TV's Celebrity Deathmatch, The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Pinky and the Brain, Robot Chicken and Married... with Children. She has appeared as herself on the 1990s series Mad About You.

• In an episode of The Powerpuff Girls titled "Meet the Beat-Alls," four villains team up to terrorize Townsville. They are broken up by a Japanese monkey named Moko Jono, who woos Mojo Jojo. She also screeches very loudly, based on Ono's screaming. The episode is composed mainly of lines and titles from Beatles songs, and there is a reference to several albums. The Beatles themselves, in Yellow Submarine form, appear in this episode as a cameo.

• In the HBO television series Flight of the Conchords, based on the comedy folk duo of the same name, there is an episode entitled "Yoko" in which Bret McKenzie's character starts dating a girl named Coco. The somewhat half-witted band manager, Murray, convinces Jemaine Clement's character, the other half of the comedy folk duo, that Bret's new girlfriend is breaking up the band. There are several instances in the episode where Jemaine's character makes wisecracks toward Coco calling her "Yoko" and where he begins a series of sentences with "Oh no."

• Ono appears as a main character in a novel by Michael Rumaker, entitled The Butterfly. The novel details their brief romance between Ono's first two marriages and describes the loft in New York City where La Monte Young staged concerts. Ono here is described as being depressed, unstable, and tormented by guilt over her turbulent life, and in fact she was to attempt suicide in Japan shortly after the period described by Rumaker.

• Jean Yoon wrote a play about Ono entitled The Yoko Ono Project.

• Ono and John Lennon both were mentioned in a song called "Listen to the Rain" featured on country music artist Kenny Rogers' 2003 album, Back to the Well.

• In Family Guy, Stewie claims to have introduced Lennon and Ono to each other.

• In Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the character Spike refers to his intentional breaking-up of a close group of friends as The Yoko Factor.

• Honorary Ambassador of Peace for the Harvey Ball Foundation along with Jackie Chan, Brooke Shields, Jerry Lewis, Prince Albert of Monaco, Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman, Phil Collins, Jimmy Buffett, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Darrell Waltrip, Heather Mills, A. V. T. Shankardass, Patch Adams, Sergei Khrushchev and Winnie Mandela.

• The Alternative Rock band Barenaked Ladies has a song called Be My Yoko Ono.

• Folksinger/songwriter Dar Williams wrote a song in part to honor Ono on her album The Green World, entitled "I Won't Be Your Yoko Ono."

• Thurston Moore, on his solo album Psychic Hearts, recorded a tribute to Yoko called "Ono Soul".

Ween's lyrics in Mr. Richard Smoker, refer to a "Ono Yoker"

• German punk-rock trio Die Aerzte wrote a song titled "Yoko Ono". It's a song about the frustration over a girlfriend pointing out all her wrongs.

• Rick Nelson, in his hit song, "Garden Party", sings, "Yoko brought a walrus".

• On the television show That 70's Show the character Eric Forman, in one episode says to a girl the character Steven Hyde is involved with, "Sayonara Yoko!, *Strange looks from other characters*, "What?, we're kinda like The Beatles. In a later episode, Eric tells Jackie Burkhart to stop dating Hyde because "You're breaking up the band, Yoko!"

• In an episode of Boy Meets World, Topanga gets in between Cory and Shawn's friendship and Shawn says to Topanga "Knock it off, Yoko!"

• In an episode of "The Simpsons," "Homer's Barbershop Quartet" one of the members of The Be-Sharps brings his girlfriend, who's obviously modeled after Ono. Her features look harsh and cruel in this episode. In another episode, after Homer gets a good sleep after taking some sleeping pills, he wakes up happily, only to discover he's in a bed with a wax figure of John Lennon. Then he looks from the edge and also sees a figure of Ono, which has fallen off the bed. This time, her features are changed and make her look more sweet.

• Courtney Love's band Hole has a song about Yoko Ono titled "20 Years in the Dakota."

— Preceding unsigned comment added by John (talk • contribs) 23:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

References

Why are there not more? Someone has obviously researched this. --andreasegde (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Last name Lennon?

Was there a conscious decision to render Yoko's name in the article introduction as "Yoko Ono Lennon"? While that may be her legal name, she certainly has not used it as an artist or public figure, and those are the roles for which she merits a Wikipedia entry. I didn't want to change it because it is a major alteration and there may be a consensus to show it this way. However, my opinion is that it should simply say "Yoko Ono". Dadsnagem (talk) 17:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the Wikipedia policy is (anyone?). Her legal name is Lennon, although I do recall reading somewhere that Lennon and Ono both legally changed their middle names to the other's surname (i.e. John Ono Lennon and Yoko Lennon Ono), but I'm not 100% certain of this. The article title is "Yoko Ono", while the opening paragraph indicates her apparent legal name and the info box states her birth name. Does this warrant an explanation within the article? Does anyone have a source on what her full legal name is? Once that's established, we can determine if the article title is enough to reflect her most commonly known name, with the opening line reflecting her legal name. Conversely, should the title and opening line refer strictly to her stage/most commonly known name, with the article explaining somewhere what her full name is? I'm comfortable with either. freshacconcispeaktome 18:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Drug Use

I think it would be relevant to include information about Yoko & John's joint dug use, particularly heroin. She has spoken of it herself, (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461071/John-Yoko-saved-heroin-addiction-greedy-drug-dealer.html) and it is discussed in published bios. As well as it's factual relevance, I think it may shed more light on their "co-dependant" relationship, (for want of a better term). Can someone tell me if they were already using heroin when they insisted on being together 24/7 in the recording studio for Beatles' sessions?--Design (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

What 'treatment of Julian Lennon'?

-- 81.102.131.170 (talk) 05:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Archiving

You see, if you archive everything, rather than just the old stuff, people lose track of the format. -- 81.102.131.170 (talk) 07:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Name

I still have a problem with the introduction of the article referring to her as 'Yoko Ono Lennon'. She has never worked professionally under that name, and the assertion that it is her legal name is unsupported. The article on Barbara Bach does not refer to her as 'Barbara Bach Starkey'. This should be changed. The article makes it abundantly clear that she was married to John Lennon. Dadsnagem (talk) 14:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

John Ono Lennon II

I merged the article John Ono Lennon II into this article, per Talk:John_Lennon#Merger_proposal. I think this content should likely be cut down and integrated into the section about Ono's and Lennon's history together, but as I'm not much of a Beatles historian or fan, I thought I'd leave that to others more familiar with the story. Conical Johnson (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Earlier comments

A list of her artwork would help everyone out. Nandor1 (talk) 17:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Article gives two different dates for her marriage to Anthony Cox, Nov. 28 1962 and June 6, 1963. Anybody know which is correct? Diderot08 (talk) 04:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The last paragraph of the John Ono Lennon II section and the paragraph in the Album inspiration section are exactly the same. Shouldn't we delete one of them? They appear one after the other. Rhodenr (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

A lot of questionable unsourced material

I deleted some of it and put Citations Needed on others. Just in case anyone who put some of that material in is still lurking and wants to source it, especially with inline citations. I may come back in the future and delete more dubious unsourced material. CarolMooreDC (talk) 00:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Untitled

Shouldn't a date be included in the photo at the top of the page to indicate which year it was taken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.205.215 (talk) 23:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

requesting some modification as pertaining to Frank Zappa

I've read alot of magazine articles, two bio's of Frank, and alot of different sources on The Beatles. I think stating that Yoko "collaborated" with Zappa is stretching the truth pretty thin - the true situation is that Frank staged a concert with JOHN, and the business 'vocal handshake' was with JOHN, not her. From Frank's statements, my guess is he pretty much thought she was a joke. They never worked together compositionally (HA! I could just see that!) and certainly not on any album graphics. And Zappa's annoyance with what John & Yoko did with the live recordings on SINYC is well documented. Could someone who is more involved in this article 'massage' this statement to more accurately reflect what really happened? HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan

Deletion from section outlining relationship with Paul McCartney

I deleted this from the "Relationship with Paul" section:

• According to Lennon and Ono, they met on 9 November 1966 when Lennon went to the Indica gallery in London, as previously detailed. However, according to McCartney, in late 1965, Ono was in London compiling original musical scores for a book John Cage was working on. McCartney declined to give her any of his own manuscripts for the book, . When asked, Lennon gave Ono the original handwritten lyrics to "The Word", which were subsequently reproduced in Cage's book, Notations.

This is misleading and factually inaccurate. It implies that Paul McCartney believes Ono and Lennon met before the November 9th encounter. The McCartney biography by Miles stated as a reference makes no mention of Yoko meeting John at Paul's suggestion. Notations was published in 1969 and there is no evidence to support that claim that Lennon gave his manuscript for The Word to Yoko prior to their 1966 meeting. Dsnmi (talk) 09:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't "imply" anything, it states it. Hotcop2 (talk) 12:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

As a comprimise I've edited the section to reflect the fact that McCartney and Ono met in 1965 (which is clearly stated by Miles) and included the fact that Lennon contributed a manuscript to Cage's book. I've removed "but suggested Lennon might oblige" which does not occur in the Miles book and can't be verified. I've also removed the implication that Lennon and Ono met prior to the Nov 1966 meeting which they claim was the first time they encountered each other. There is no verification for this in the source cited (or anywhere else I've been able to find).Dsnmi (talk) 02:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

References

External Links

I am parking the long list of External Links here. We need to review this list with respect to the Wiki policy on links WP:EL.

1. 100 Acorns – Yoko Ono's blog
2. June 33, 2007 Interview with Yoko Ono for Japanzine
3. John Lennon and Yoko Ono - slideshow by Life magazine
4. Instant Karma, magazine dedicated to John and Yoko. Since 1981.
5. Yoko Ono fluxus debris!
6. @ art / not art
7. ~ ONOVOX: spam-free discussion listserv with commented daily Yoko news.
8. Yoko Ono at the Internet Movie Database
9. Yoko Ono (character) at the Internet Movie Database
10. "Yoko Ono Makes Old Song Gay Friendly", Associated Press article, July 8, 2004.
11. Yoko Ono's Snow review by Tom Johnson Originally published on February 7, 1977
12. A conversation about the Hare Krsna mantra between Srila Prabhupada and John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison, 1969
13. Nippop Profile Yoko Ono
14. Photograph of John Lennon's Bloodied Spectacles
15. YES YOKO ONO
16. Absolute Elsewhere: The Spirit of John Lennon
17. An Interview with Yoko Ono: Yoko Turns 70
18. Grapefruit Exhibition of Yoko Ono's "Instruction Paintings" at the Berkeley Art Museum and Pacific Film Archive
19. Yoko Ono Performs Cut Piece in Paris, 2003
20. Memories of John Lennon deconstructed and contrasted with six other John Lennon biographies
21. 2006 Interview with Yoko Ono
22. Yoko Ono on Democracy Now!
23. Yoko Ono discography at MusicBrainz
24. "Blueprint For A Reprise – Interview with Yoko Ono"
25. "Moving Mountains with Yoko Ono - Bluefat, October 2009"
26. Interview with Yoko Ono - Clubplanet, April 2010 --BwB (talk) 09:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Protecting the page

I think this page should be protected, as it's vandalised on an almost daily basis. I don't know how to start the process--can someone do that?--TEHodson 05:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you as it seems I'm constantly reverting something insulting or stupid. This page has been periodically protected. Unfortunately, it can't be permanently protected, only for a couple of weeks. Whenever the protection period ends, the vandalism begins again. From experience, unless there has been several acts of vandalism in one day, most admins won't protect the page. I'm personally at a loss about what to do. There are several editors who have the page watchlisted and seem to check daily. If the vandalism does increase to more than once a day, I'll request protection. freshacconci talktalk 11:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It so unfortunate, and such a waste of our time, but I guess we'll just have to keep up with it. I will if you will.--TEHodson 19:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Brought "feminism to the forefront THROUGH her music"

This is sentence is extremely bothersome to me, as it somehow suggests that if it weren't for Yoko Ono, feminism wouldn't have become mainstream. Regardless of whatever opinion someone has about Yoko Ono, to contend that she is responsible for the mass acceptance of feminism is at the very least a subjective, unsourced claim that violates NPOV.

About a month ago, before registering, I attempted to find a more neutral wording by replacing "through" with "in," which was immediately reverted without any particularly good reason. I've again changed this back to "in," and will likely continue to do so unless someone can give me a particularly compelling reason as to why either the use of the word "in" is uncalled for, or how Yoko Ono is somehow responsible for women's rights. Halfking (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

/* Artwork */ added {{POV-section}}

The section on Yoko Ono's artwork lacks citations in several places and contains phrasing that does not meet neutrality/objectivity standards. Without a citation, a sentence such as "Cut Piece was one of Ono’s many opportunities to outwardly communicate her internal suffering through her art" sounds like the author's interpretation and is not necessarily supported by the artist or other professionals. It is not clear what the nature of the "moral dilemma" is in the phrase "Participants faced a moral dilemma presented by Ono that a work of art no longer needed to be mounted on a wall, inaccessible, but an irregular piece of canvas as low and dirty as to have to be completed by being stepped on." It is also unclear as to who would have seen the canvas "as low and dirty" in this arrangement (and there is of course precedent for other artists creating work by putting the canvas on the floor, most notably Jackson Pollock). Is there documentation that it was Ono's intention to make viewers/participants feel this way, was this the way that some viewers/participants understood the work, or is this an authorial interpretation? I'm hoping to get some help on this one.

Thanks, --Arthistorygrrl (talk) 18:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Marriage to Lennon

Ummm ... under "Education and marriages", where is the part where she marries Lennon? Wasn't she married to John Lennon? CountMacula (talk) 20:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Ummm, indeed. You need to read it more carefully. That is a sub-section of "Early Life." There's a whole big section called: "Life with John Lennon" a couple of inches farther down the page, where you will discover that yes, she was married to John Lennon.--TEHodson 21:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Nationality

Before this turns into an edit war, this should be settled. In the archives it was decided she was Japanese-American. She's lived in the US since the early 60s and is a resident (not sure if she's a citizen; she may be a dual citizen). It was suggested in an edit summary that the designation "Japanese-American" is reserved for someone who has one American parent. This seems ludicrous and some evidence on such a "rule" would need to be provided. She is also included in the Japanese-American page so to me this seems pretty obvious. She's worked and lived in the US since the early 60s, is a landed resident, was married to an American (her 2nd husband) and has two American children. freshacconci talktalk 11:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

According to the New York Times (link) she is a permanent resident and she considers herself an American and is designated as such by museums (i.e an American artist). So she's born in Japan and is an American resident who regards herself as American. That would make her Japanese American. freshacconci talktalk 12:04, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm certainly not going to fight about it. The article has called her "Japanese" for years, she's called herself Japanese in many, many interviews and distinguished her point of view from mainstream America through her Asian-ness, and WP is not considered a reliable source (so her being listed as Japanese-American in that article isn't relevant), but if now people think that should be changed, fine. Generally people who grow up and are educated in another country and then move here don't call themselves, for example, "Irish-American", while those of Irish descent do. That was the distinction I was making. African-American means born in America of African descent, while my Tutsi friend calls himself Rwandan, even though he's lived here since escaping the massacres; my Parisian friend who's lived here forever still calls himself French, not French-American. Both friends I just mentioned are permanent residents, too. I have a friend who was born in an internment camp; he calls himself Japanese-American. He calls his parents, who were born in Japan, Japanese. I could give other examples, but I think you get it. That's where I was coming from.--TEHodson 18:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

P.S. One reverted edit does not an edit war make. Your reaction is a bit intense.--TEHodson 18:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Nationality

I don't have a lot of time to get into this but there was a previous discussion here about her nationality. We seemed to have reached an agreement that Yoko Ono is Japanese-American and all evidence indicates that she's a Japanese citizen and American resident. A IP editor (under two IPs) insists that she's just American, although there is no evidence that she is no longer a Japanese citizen and that she ever became an American citizen. The New York Times article I added as a source is from 1989 and states that she's a Japanese citizen and American resident and did not become an American citizen. The article on Japanese Americans lists her as an example. She's either Japanese or Japanese-American. No evidence suggests just American at this time. Also, being born in one country and living in another, regardless of citizenship, is often indicated by a hyphenated nationality. freshacconci talktalk 18:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I actually removed both Japanese and American. I initially removed Japanese because there was no source. There was no source for American either so I removed that too. You claim that she is not an American yet you categorized her as a naturalized citizen of the United States. You add a possibly outdated source saying the she is a Japanese citizen but not American. Having residence does not make her a citizen. You talk about nationality yet link to an ethnicity page. Being part of the Japanese-American ethnic group does not give her Japanese-American nationality. The hypen just indicates that the term is used as an adjective as opposed to a noun. Categorizing her under naturalized citizens is a misrepresentation of the source you have provided. Since this is a BLP, contentious material must be removed. Do not confuse nationality with ethnicity and residence with citizenship. 174.255.112.150 (talk) 23:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

No, you removed just "Japanese". Check the history--you only removed "Japanese-American" when I added the source. I never claimed she is a naturalized American citizen. I said she is a Japanese citizen and an American resident, per the source. No up-to-date sources exist to contradict that. She is usually identified as Japanese-American by most sources. If anything, she should just be listed as Japanese, as the other editor in the archived link states. The most recent reliable source states she is a Japanese citizen and she was obviously born there, so as far as were are certain, she is Japanese. As I stated in the archived discussion, my personal feeling is that the source available indicates that she is Japanese-American based on her citizenship and residency. I understand what you're saying about Japanese being an adjective but I think you will find that most sources describe her as Japanese-American without qualifying what that exactly means. In the end, with the available reliable sources we either go with Japanese or Japanese-American, but not American alone. There are no sources for that. freshacconci talktalk 01:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

When used in the lead in this context, Japanese-American refers to nationality, not ethnicity. Ethnicity should not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. You added the article to the category "naturalized citizens of the United States". I repeatedly removed this because it is not sourced. Your actions don't match your statements. If you don't think she has American citizenship, then don't put describe her nationality as Japanese-American. Also, stop using non-sequiturs to misrepresent my actions and comments. 174.255.112.150 (talk) 02:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The entire term "Japanese-American" is an adjective, not just the Japanese part. It can refer to either nationality or ethnicity, so don't confuse sources refering to ethnicity to describe nationality. The term "Japanese American" (without the hyphen) is a modified noun. 174.255.112.150 (talk) 02:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall adding this article to the category naturalized citizens of the United States. Could you point out the diff to that edit? I'm not certain what you mean by me "using non-sequiturs to misrepresent [your] actions and comments". In any case, my point is that there is no source to indicate that she's an American citizen and I don't recall ever stating that she was. In the archived discussion I stated I thought she was a citizen and looked for a source and found she was in fact not, as of 1989. So, unless a source can be found to state she is now an American citizen we either go with what is there currently or call her Japanese or call her Japanese and living in the US. Ledes in biographical articles usually state a nationality and all we know for certain is she's a Japanese citizen with American residence unless something can be found to show otherwise. I never stated that I was talking about ethnicity. Where I'm from, hyphenated nationalities are common so we may be operating with different terminology. Simply put, we can't call her an American but per biographical lede convention we should state a nationality. freshacconci talktalk 02:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Reading again the article I provided, it states that although she is a Japanese citizen, she's an American resident and considers herself American. This is something I mention in the archived discussion as well. Another solution is to refer to her as a Japanese-born American. Hybrid nationalities are complex and there are plenty of articles where this issue comes up. I'm not aware of a wiki guideline that provides a simple solution to this. In any case, I think it would be a mistake to remove her Japanese birth from the lede but we also need to stress that she lives in the US and is a resident. I'm not American, so I don't know if a resident is considered American. In Canada, at least colloquially, someone is Canadian if they are a landed immigrant. freshacconci talktalk 02:57, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

[3] When I removed content, it did not mean that it was not true. I removed content that was not sourced or was contentious. The source indicates that she is an American resident, but not an American national or citizen. Her place of birth and residency should only be in the lead if notable. They can be added as a separate sentence if notable, but that is a different issue. Going by the NYT source, we could put Japanese not Japanese-American. The date of the source does matter because the source could be outdated and she may have become a citizen since then. 174.255.112.150 (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Now you've lost me. The diff you've given does not show how I, according to you, "added the article to the category 'naturalized citizens of the United States'". So, no, I never stated she was a US citizen or a naturalized US citizen nor did I add that category. I'd say her place of birth and country of residence is notable and I'm not aware of a guideline that states we shouldn't provide that info in the lede. Anyway, it's late and I'm too tired to deal with this. Change it if you want but I guarantee someone will come along at some point and change it back to Japanese-American. Stating the nationality of someone in the first sentence of a biographical article is standard. freshacconci talktalk 04:01, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you trolling me? Look at around line 550 of the diff. It clearly shows you adding the category "Naturalized citizens of the United States". Your actions also show you describing her nationality as Japanese-American using a source that does not support her as having American citizenship. Contentious material in a BLP must be removed. Her nationality should be mentioned, but it must be supported by strong sources. 174.255.112.150 (talk) 05:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Ono was born in Japan. In the early 1960s (pre-her involvement with Lennon) she got her green card (which was sponsored by impressario Norman Seaman). She is not a naturalized citizen. Her daughter Kyoko was born in Tokyo in 1963. Hotcop2 (talk) 11:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a source explictly stating that she is not a naturalized citizen? The source we have is from 1989 so it would be nice if you have a more recent source. Several editors keep adding that she is an American citizen, so there needs to be a strong source. An editor recently replaced Japanese with American. I removed American because of there was no source. I reinserted Japanese with the 1989 source, but feel free to remove it if you think it is contentious material in a BLP. 174.252.31.228 (talk) 12:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Modernist is misrepresenting the source. It clearly says "according to Sam Havadtoy". That means the information must be attributed to Sam Havadtoy if that statement is being used. It also says "American artist", not "Japanese American artist", so the sources are being inappropriately synthesized. Armstrong's reaction to becoming aware that Ono is a citizen of Japan must also be included so that the statement is in context. American can be used to refer to her residence, but it must be clarified so that it is not confused with nationality, the standard information in the lead. 174.252.31.228 (talk) 23:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The source says:

Although Ms. Ono is a permanent resident of the United States, she is a citizen of Japan. When Thomas Armstrong 3d, the museum's director, became aware of this two weeks ago during an interview for this article, he was shocked. We were not told that she is a Japanese citizen, said Mr. Armstrong. It's a surprise to us . . . We're not going to cancel the show, but I wasn't told. Barbara Haskell, curator of painting and sculpture at the Whitney and co-curator of the exhibition, said that her office told us she is American. According to Sam Havadtoy, Ms. Ono's companion, We said she was an American artist. We did not say she was an American citizen.

Clearly she is an artist, a Japanese citizen, an American resident, and a Japanese American artist - get over it...Modernist (talk) 23:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Stop misrepresenting the source. First, the phrase "Japanese American artist" is not used in the source. Second, you must attibute quotes to the author. Third, the Wikipedia sentence also contains author and peace activist. Fourth, nationality should be in the lead, rather than ethnicity. The quote by Havadtoy is most likely refering to American art. Saying that she is a Japanese American artist, author, and peace activist is misinterpretting and misrepresenting the source. From your wikilinking and unclear wording, it does not appear that you are saying she is an "American artist", despite the lack of hyphenation. It would be much more clear to say that she is "a Japanese artist, author, and peace activist who resides in America" if you think there is a need to include her place of residence in the lead. 174.252.31.228 (talk) 01:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

We have to go with the sources. If the sources say she is a japaneese citizen, then we put that in the article. If we have sources that she is an American citizen, then we put that in the aricle. If the sources say she is a US resident, then we say that in the article. We cannot use un synthesis as this is OR. We must reflect the sources accurately in th text. So far it looks like we can say Ono is a Japaneese artist, activist, author, etc, who is a US resident. --BwB (talk) 01:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, so Modernist's edits should be reverted. 174.252.31.228 (talk) 01:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Do a google search - Yoko Ono Japanese American - 245,000 results - Yoko Ono Japanese American artist - 275,000 hits. Here's a couple of many links [4], [5], we also use WP:UCS by the way...Modernist (talk) 02:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Do not confuse the Japanese-American ethnic group with Japanese-American nationality. You also cannot make people do google research for information that cannot be verified in the sources you cite. WP:UCS does not mean you can use original research or misrepresent sources. Your sentence also does not correspond with what you are saying because you did not include a hyphen. If you are refering to American art from a Japanese citizen, then your sentence is vague and your wikilinking is misleading. 174.252.31.228 (talk) 04:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Comments from WPBeatles: Needs footnotes and a photo. --kingboyk 19:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Spelling is an issue. Peers' should also be identified as currently Gakushuin. == Yoko Ono, Education and marriages == The section Education and Marriages should include at least an introduction and mention of her 3rd husband, John Lennon. Fvgomez2 (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Lennon's name

What is the basis for the claim that John Lennon was "not permitted to revoke a name given at birth"? Like anyone else, he should have been able to change his name by deed poll - as he purported to do.203.184.41.226 (talk) 01:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Paul Chapman

Why is there no remark about the Fact, that Yoko is against the release of Lennons murder (recently his request was turned down again) Chapman ? A person talking about peace is this a very imporant point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.197.82.116 (talk) 15:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Japanese reference

The reference for her being Japanese is quite funny. I didn't know there was a need to reference this. --The Evil IP address (talk) 12:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It's ridiculous. Somewhere in the archives there's a discussion on whether she's Japanese or Japanese American. At one point it gets down to the semantics of hyphenating Japanese-American. Anyway, this is the closest to a consensus that was reached: she's Japanese and it's sourced in case someone thinks she might be Dutch. freshacconci talktalk 13:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Ya. Hotcop2 (talk) 17:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Education and marriages

If there is to be a section with the title "Education and marriages", it should mention her marriage to Lennon.CountMacula (talk) 17:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Lennon-Ono Peace Prize

Yoko appears to have initiated a peace prize of $50,000. Lady Gaga was reported as one of the first recipients. Should this be added? Where? Ref: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2315665.stm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.216.48.250 (talk) 18:50, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

POV edits

I removed this edit as it is clearly unsourced weasel wording in a BLP article. My initial revert was undone by an editor with the summary "Not weasel people really hated her for a long time", which of course is in itself weaselly (people? what people specifically?) The same editor left me a message warning me about multiple reverts, which of course doesn't apply since I didn't revert, I removed a sentence, and I only did it once when they reverted me. In any case, that sentence is highly inappropriate and appears to be some POV-pushing and certainly does not belong in the lede. freshacconci talk to me 00:40, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Why does the link to the Japanese wiki link to Oskar Kokoschka? 76.14.24.117 (talk) 03:29, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Interesting factoid that was erased that would be put back if referenced properly

"Yoko Ono won the art contest of the district of Teshio in Japan in the 3rd grade at her elementary school in Embetsu in which she recived a goat for her honorable work."--Aichik (talk) 02:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

References

Sub-sections in "Relationship with Paul McCartney:" section

I feel there are now too many sub-sections, for every little point made in this section. Opinions? Hotcop2 (talk) 21:53, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Separation from Lennon section

Why is the first paragraph there? It has nothing to do with their separation and reads like an arbitrary criticism of Ono. Hotcop2 (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Second "References" section

Makes no sense to have a second "References" section under External links - there has to be a better way. Maybe incorporate the Twitter stuff into the text and then the refs would go on the Notes section? But this way can't be right. Tvoz/talk 06:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I saw a way to do it - changed "Political activism" to "Political activism and social media" (her social media work is largely political) and incorporated the twitter material and expanded a bit. Tvoz/talk 07:35, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

3/31/03 People article

<<<copyright violation removed>>>

Per GAN 2 comments above.--Aichik (talk) 21:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Since the source page, http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20139655,00.html , is marked "Copyright © 2014 Time Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited", I have removed the copy that you posted here. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks.--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Yoko Ono

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Reference named "rs":

• From U2: Gardner, Elysa (9 January 1992). "Review: Achtung Baby". Rolling Stone (621). Retrieved 26 April 2010.
• From Phil Collins: Hedegaard, Erik (4 March 2011). "Phil Collins' Last Stand: Why the Troubled Pop Star Wants to Call It Quits (page 2)". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 13 November 2013.
• From Walls and Bridges: Gerson, Ben (21 November 1974). "Review: Walls and Bridges". Rolling Stone. New York. Retrieved 18 May 2013.
• From Double Fantasy: "Double Fantasy by John Lennon | Rolling Stone Music | Music Reviews". Rollingstone.com. 30 August 2011. Retrieved 9 September 2011.
• From Imagine (album): Gerson, Ben (28 October 1971). "Imagine". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 12 November 2010.
• From Adam Clayton: "U2: Biography". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 1 January 2011.
• From The Joshua Tree: Pond, Steve (9 April 1987). "Review: The Joshua Tree". Rolling Stone (497). Retrieved 28 December 2010.
• From Tricky (musician): "Album Reviews: Tricky – Maxinquaye", Rolling Stone, 2 February 1998.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:04, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

"Cut piece" on the lead

I think the lead is too long. Four paragraphs should be enough per WP:LEADLENGTH. I'm not sure what to trim down, can somebody advise? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. It is a tad extensive. Hotcop2 (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I've trimmed a tiny bit, but I think it's fine. She's accomplished alot in multiple fields. Look at George Harrison's article, which is starred, for a comparison. Or Justin Bieber's who is one-fourth her age.--Aichik (talk) 20:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It's too long as of March 2020, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. It might be possible to merge some of the shorter paragraphs, and remove some material more suited to the body of the article. Jusdafax (talk) 07:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Marriage to Anthony Cox

It says 1962 - 1963 in side bar. Cox and Ono divorced on February 2, 1969. As is stated on his wiki page.

109.152.192.57 (talk) 00:11, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello World — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muybridge dk (talk • contribs) 00:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I moved this here

because checking this claim on the dance chart link to reveals only 4 such hits. The wikipedia chart is not very up-to-date, so if someone knows where to check this, please do so.

Since 2003, eleven of her songs, mostly remixes of her older work, have hit No. 1 on the US dance chart.

Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:17, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Trivia

I removed some trivia. It's an encyclopaedia, not a gossip column. --TS 02:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

It depends upon how notable the gossip is. I've reinserted and tagged items that need a citation for notability. At least one already has a citation. See [6].--Nowa (talk) 07:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Bleachers guest appearance

I've never edited a music article before, so I figure I'm out of my depth, but I just notice Ono has guest vocals on the tenth track of the 2014 album "Strange Desire" by the band Bleachers. This article currently lists her last collaboration as 2012. Should this be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.30.15.245 (talk) 06:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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1970s work

Why is the decade when Yoko made some of her most important music completely missing?

not Japanese American?

Break-up_of_the_Beatles says she's Japanese-American is that wrong? Zigui and the Spiders (talk) 16:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

It was discussed here a while back. There's no evidence that she became an American citizen and some editors argued that this precludes calling her American, even though she's obviously a permanent resident. Honestly, I don't know the answer per Wikipedia guidelines. Personally, I'd go with Japanese-American. freshacconci (✉) 17:53, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

The term "Japanese-American" means a US citizen of Japanese ancestry (cf African-American). If Yoko Ono never adopted US citizenship, it is simply incorrect to describe her as "Japanese-American". As a holder of a permanent resident visa ("green card") for many years, she has had the option of becoming a US citizen. If she did not do so, that expresses a choice which should be respected. Unless someone can offer evidence that Yoko Ono is an American citizen I propose to correct the statements in this article that refer to her as "American" or "Japanese-American". Longitude2 (talk) 09:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

You're correct. Hotcop2 (talk) 21:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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Updated Photo

Can someone better at sourcing Wikipedia-authorized photos find a more updated photo for this Wiki's profile photo? The current one is from pre-2010 and so it is about time for a refresher. Thanks to whoever finds the time for this.Navarrocortez (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I think it might actually be better to find an earlier photo, rather than a more recent one, to better represent Ono during the period when she was most prominent. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

McCartney accusations

I don't understand why Yoko has accused Paul McCartney of rewriting history. To me, I think Paul was telling the truth by reversing the writing credits to the five Beatles songs on the "Wings Over America" album to McCartney-Lennon, not Lennon-McCartney, to make it clear that it was he, not John, who wrote them largely or entirely by himself and John had little, if any, songwriting involvement. 203.221.93.47 (talk) 07:21, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Warzone

There is currently a redirect from Warzone (Yoko Ono album) to Yoko Ono. An article is almost certainly in order. Is there agreement that the redirect should be replaced by an article? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

No article for Cut Piece

Ono's 1964 Cut Piece is an extremely influential piece of performance art, so I was surprised that it redirects here rather than having its own article. Can someone split it off? Sources are abundant. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Overly positive, not neutral

Having read this page my overall feeling was that it was not a neutral page. It just comes across as very positive about Yoko and skimming over any negatives.

Kind of reads like a piece someone has paid to make them look good.

It’s too big for one person to edit but feel like a few people should take a look at it. El dude brother2 (talk) 07:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Please read WP:NPOV. We don't go out of our way to add negative things to create a false sense of "balance". The article as written is neutral. To add negative items (and it's not clear what you feel is missing) would actually violate neutrality. Yes, some Beatle fans have negative attitudes towards Yoko Ono. The article addresses this. freshacconci (✉) 13:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

No, but El dude brother2 mentions a potential bias in the article and the possibility of undue weight being given to positive factors vs negative. Yoko Ono was, perhaps still is, a controversial figure in popular culture; this is covered in pretty much every reliable source, and she has addressed the issues many times. As far as this article goes, I was always impressed that there is some discussion of the less-glorious points, under "Public image", because it's severely lacking at Paul McCartney (which really is a whitewash, whereas Eric Clapton and David Bowie [even before the latter's death] constructively address controversies in which the subject became embroiled, rather than completely ignoring them).

I'll give the article a thorough read sometime soon. It could well be that some highly notable points are skipped over or missing entirely – and it's that sort of thing we should address, imo, but not to deliberately spice the text with negativity. Looking at the Public image section now, my first reaction is that there's plenty there that is sufficiently "bad". On the other hand, the statement "Her experimental art was also not popularly accepted" is inadequately cited to an AllMusic list of chart peaks. JG66 (talk) 14:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)