The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 06:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
... that it was said that Edith of Wilton(pictured) "violently" protected her own body long after she had died? Source: Ridyard also reports that not only did Edith protect the convent's properties, she protected, at times violently, "one further possession which was essential to its prestige, its prosperity and even its identity—the body of St Edith herself", source in the article
Comment: Maybe the hook could be rephrased, or even another one suggested. My first attempt at abducting Good articles by other people for showcasing here :P
Comment: Please wait a bit if intending to review, GA author has special preferences for this. –LordPickleII (talk) 23:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Edith of Wilton was called "the laziest saint in England"? source in the article
I've switched to ALT1 at Figureskatingfan's request, who would like to have this run for April's Fools. Thank you. –LordPickleII (talk) 23:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that because she did very little work after her death, Edith of Wilton was called "the laziest saint in England"?
Maybe a slightly more agressive one for April's Fools, open to other variants. @Figureskatingfan I just thought that this would also make a good "Halloween" nom with a variant of my original hook (violent ghost nun and stuff), but alas we have no special event for that. –LordPickleII (talk) 09:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Overall: Alt 2 is still catchy, but better than the previous in order to clarify the real facts. JeBonSer(talk | sign) 12:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks! Just checking in with @Figureskatingfan to ask if that ALT2 hook was okay? And also again, please hold for April 1. –LordPickleII (talk) 18:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Everyone, I like the 2nd hook better too, since it's just ambigious enough. One of the reasons I submitted this article to GAN was so that we could submit it to DYK for the main page on April Fool's Day. The quote from the source, calling St Edith a "lazy" saint was just too good and too funny to not share. I don't care for the violent ghost nun idea because it's too wrapped up in our current sensibilities, whereas while the lazy saint line does fit our sensibilities, it also fits the Middle Ages'. My hook version is a bit more accurate; it wasn't that Edith didn't work hard enough because she did miracles for other people outside Wilton Convent, it was that the nuns there felt that she wasn't doing enough for them, which pissed them off. At any rate, thanks for submitting this to DYK, LordPeterII. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
@JeBonSer: Can you confirm you did approve this for April's Fools? And now there's an ALT3 suggested, can you check it, too? Although @Figureskatingfan I think ALT3 might really be too "calm" for April's Fools, since it essentially accurate, not slightly misleading (even ALT2 is only barely). I mean, you could actually run ALT3 in a regular queue. We might actually need something a bit more flashy. Compare the April's Fool DYK from last year. –LordPickleII (talk) 19:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm okay for Alt3 and much better. JeBonSer(talk | sign) 21:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
@JeBonSer, LordPeterII, and Figureskatingfan: In general, our April Fools' Day hooks involve not just humour, but a little bit of misleading – we're observe a prank-themed holiday here at DYK, after all. Because of that, I don't think any of these hooks would quite cut it for AFD, but I think ALTs 1 or 2 would make for fantastic quirky! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:35, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Then how about if we combine the original hook and ALT1:
ALT4: ... that Edith of Wilton, who was called "the laziest saint in England" (pictured), "violently" protected her own body long after she had died? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Figureskatingfan (talk • contribs) 16:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that Edith of Wilton was too lazy after her death?
Just thought of ALT5 above; this is how I would imagine an April's Fool hook for the article. @Figureskatingfan would that work for you? It's maximally condensed to leave out most context, leaving readers confused as to why someone would be called lazy after their death. It also doesn't use quotation marks anymore – basically ALT5 can no longer be used in a regular queue, only on April 1. @Theleekycauldron or is it still too tame? :D –LordPickleII (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Yah, I'm good with the ALT5, since I have no idea how to write an AFD DYK hook. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
@LordPeterII and Figureskatingfan: there might not be a viable AFD hook based on this fact – it's not one that easily lends itself to the AFD flavour. How about this as a normal quirky hook: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that Edith of Wilton was criticized for not working after her death?
@Theleekycauldron: I'm fine with ALT6, although I personally perfer ALT5. I concede to your expertise in this matter, however. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:04, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
well I do appreciate that ;) the issue with ALT5, I think, is that it would publish a criticism as fact. I personally wouldn't mind, since the criticism is plainly absurd, but not everyone agrees with that assessment, and the difference in hookiness is only slight. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
ALT5 was only intended as a try for April's Fools Day, otherwise it is a little too distorted imo. I'm sorry that this won't be able to run for April's Fool after all, Figureskatingfan, but I believe ALT6 will still get many views in a regular queue. –LordPeterII (talk) 10:41, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron:, but I have my heart set on getting this on AFD. I'm okay with ALT6 if that'll help it happen. If not, and it's going to be in the normal queue, then I'd like to go back to ALT2. That being said, I still don't understand your reasoning behind rejecting ALT1 or ALT2 for April 1st. I mean, it's funny, it's ambigious, it has the potential for readers to go to the article to check out what it means. It's also potentially educational because it may peak enough attention for readers to want to learn about the process of canonization, both in modern times and during the Middle Ages. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:35, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Hmm. I've yet to change my mind on April Fools', so I'll throw to Gatoclass for a sanity check. Gatoclass, what do you think about these hooks for AFD? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, I agree that ALTs 1 and 2 do not work as AFD hooks, because they are too explicit and contain no element of deception or surprise. ALT5 I find a bit clunky quite frankly. ALT6 is concise, to the point, and outwardly absurd to the point of disbelief, so in my view makes an ideal AFD hook. Gatoclass (talk) 17:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
... but some technical thing: I was just informed by DYKHousekeepingBot that this nomination was "incomplete". I think I've had that happen before, but forgot why; do you know what it means @theleekycauldron? –LordPeterII (talk) 20:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
@LordPeterII: hmm... shoot a talk page message to Shubinator for me, would ya? Seems like the bot's not recognizing that the nomination is on the AFD page. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Alt 2 is still catchy, but better than the previous in order to clarify the real facts. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 12:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)