Template:Did you know nominations/Markus Brutscher

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The result was: promoted by ~ Rob^Talk 14:14, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Markus Brutscher

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~~... that tenor Markus Brutscher performs in early opera, such as Niccolò Jommelli's Vologeso, but also 20th century, such as Alfred Schnittke's Historia von D. Johann Fausten?~~

Reviewed: Opoczno S.A.

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC).

This article has been created within the last seven days, is of the appropriate length at 1593 characters (256 words) of "readable prose size," and it conforms to core Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The hook's content is accurate and cited with an inline citation in the article's prose. A QPQ review has also been completed. -- West Virginian (talk) 17:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see the inline cite for the first part of the hook. Also, the article doesn't say anything about these operas being "early" or "20th century". Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

We could drop the "early" and "20th century", I only added that as an explanation for readers not familiar with the names Jommelli and Schnittke. It should not be in the article, because there are links to the stage works for those who don't know. We should not add trivia to all articles mentioning these works. - I tried to avoid to connect another singer with Bach although the article was created because he is. We don't have to mention and source that he was Baroque, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

No, you don't have to source the Baroque part in the lead, unless you decide to use it in the hook. (Which might be a good idea, considering there's not much else to write a hook about.) Could you suggest an ALT1? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, you didn't get it. Why should I source "Early" and "20th century" but not "Baroque"? They are all just an attribute to help to place the works in history.

ALT1: ~~... that tenor Markus Brutscher performed in Niccolò Jommelli's Vologeso and Alfred Schnittke's Historia von D. Johann Fausten?~~

I am afraid that it isn't better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I added some more from the Bach Cantatas source. Here's another idea:
ALT2: ~~... that German tenor Markus Brutscher is a permanent guest soloist at the international festivals in Berlin, Leipzig, Halle, Ansbach, Salzburg, Boston, Toronto, Rio de Janeiro, Japan, and Israel?~~ Yoninah (talk) 16:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't stand these boasting lists without the slightest idea what kind of music he is making. Ask Voceditenore, it's not even wanted in an article about a singer, certainly not as the one statement about him. Worse: "permanent" and "guest" seem kind of a contradiction. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

No problem, I deleted it. Perhaps you could add something more from your sources to come up with a hook. Yoninah (talk) 16:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps, but not today, - there are so many other red links to fill, so many compositions to cover, instead of adding to this one. - He is good at doing unusual pieces, the hooks have that. I met him once, only then he could not sing, had a cold ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that the German tenor Markus Brutscher performed the part of Saul in Reinhard Keiser's oratorio Der siegende David at the Ruhrtriennale 2006?

This year's Triennale - with a new director - opens on 14 August. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I am not sure I see a problem with ALT1 or ALT3, though I like ALT1 best. Yoninah, the reviewer can't write a whole new hook, then you need yet another reviewer. They also don't have to put sources in the lead if the information is sourced in they body text. The rest of the article appears good enough to pass, let's not nitpick the hook to death. Montanabw^(talk) 07:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Montanabw, I'm not sure I understand the points you're raising. Gerda is suggesting new hooks and I think ALT3 works very well, especially to run on August 14 in conjunction with this year's Triennale. I am not able to access the hook ref, so am AGF'ing it. Hook is cited inline. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)