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The Armenian genocide[a] was the systematic destruction of the Armenian people and identity in the Ottoman Empire during World War I. Spearheaded by the ruling Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), it was implemented primarily through the mass murder of around one million Armenians during death marches to the Syrian Desert and the forced Islamization of Armenian women and children.
Before World War I, Armenians occupied a protected, but subordinate, place in Ottoman society. Large-scale massacres of Armenians occurred in the 1890s and 1909. The Ottoman Empire suffered a series of military defeats and territorial losses—especially the 1912–1913 Balkan Wars—leading to fear among CUP leaders that the Armenians, whose homeland in the eastern provinces was viewed as the heartland of the Turkish nation, would seek independence. During their invasion of Russian and Persian territory in 1914, Ottoman paramilitaries massacred local Armenians.[citation needed] Ottoman leaders took isolated indications of Armenian resistance as evidence of a widespread rebellion, though no such rebellion existed.[citation needed] Mass deportation was intended to permanently forestall the possibility of Armenian autonomy or independence
On 24 April 1915, the Ottoman authorities arrested and deported hundreds of Armenian intellectuals and leaders from Constantinople. At the orders of Talaat Pasha, an estimated 800,000 to 1.2 million Armenians were sent on death marches to the Syrian Desert in 1915 and 1916. Driven forward by paramilitary escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to robbery, rape, and massacres. In the Syrian Desert, the survivors were dispersed into concentration camps. In 1916, another wave of massacres was ordered, leaving about 200,000 deportees alive by the end of the year. Around 100,000 to 200,000 Armenian women and children were forcibly converted to Islam and integrated into Muslim households. Massacres and ethnic cleansing of Armenian survivors were carried out by the Turkish nationalist movement during the Turkish War of Independence after World War I.[citation needed]
The Armenian genocide resulted in the destruction of more than two millennia of Armenian civilization.[citation needed] Together with the mass murder and expulsion of Syriac and Greek Orthodox Christians, it enabled the creation of an ethnonational Turkish state. The Turkish government maintains that the deportation of Armenians was a legitimate action that cannot be described as genocide. As of 2022[update], 33 countries have recognized the events as genocide, as do the vast majority of historians.[1][citation needed]
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The Armenian genocide[a] was the systematic destruction of the Armenian people and identity in the Ottoman Empire during World War I. Spearheaded by the ruling Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), it was implemented primarily through the mass murder of around one million Armenians during death marches to the Syrian Desert and the forced Islamization of Armenian women and children.
Before World War I, Armenians occupied a protected, but subordinate, place in Ottoman society. Large-scale massacres of Armenians occurred in the 1890s and 1909. The Ottoman Empire suffered a series of military defeats and territorial losses—especially the 1912–1913 Balkan Wars—leading to fear among CUP leaders that the Armenians, whose homeland in the eastern provinces was viewed as the heartland of the Turkish nation, would seek independence. Ottoman leaders took Armenian resistance as evidence of a widespread rebellion.. Mass deportation was intended to permanently forestall the possibility of Armenian autonomy or independence.
On 24 April 1915, the Ottoman authorities arrested and deported hundreds of Armenian intellectuals and leaders from Istanbul. At the orders of Talaat Pasha, an estimated 800,000 to 1.2 million Armenians were sent on death marches to the Syrian Desert in 1915 and 1916. Driven forward by paramilitary escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to robbery, rape, and massacres. In the Syrian Desert, the survivors were dispersed into concentration camps. In 1916, another wave of massacres was ordered, leaving about 200,000 deportees alive by the end of the year. Around 100,000 to 200,000 Armenian women and children were forcibly converted to Islam and integrated into Muslim households. Massacres and ethnic cleansing of Armenian survivors were carried out by the Turkish nationalist movement during the Turkish War of Independence after World War I.
The Armenian genocide, together with the mass murder and expulsion of Syriac and Greek Orthodox Christians, enabled the creation of an ethnonational Turkish state. The Turkish government maintains that the deportation of Armenians was a legitimate action that cannot be described as genocide. As of 2022[update], 33 countries have recognized the events as genocide, as there is concensus among historians.[2]
Terminology
[edit]Raphael Lemkin coined the term "genocide" in 1943 by combining the Greek words genos meaning "race" and cide meaning "slaughter" in Latin, and brought the Armenian massacres to the agenda with the following words: "I became interested in the [concept] of genocide. , because it happened many times. First it happened to the Armenians, then Hitler took action."[3]
Just as those who completely ignore the existence of the aforementioned mass murders, those who argue that "genocide" is not the right word to describe these massacres also reject the political legitimacy of the term. Those representing the first group prefer names such as "Armenian theses", "Armenian claims"[4] and "Armenian lies"[5].
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As of 2022, 33 countries have recognized the events as genocide, as do the vast majority of historians.
can not provethe vast majority of historians
.(Also not quite important but the referenced author used the word "scholar" instead of "historian".) I think the article should also include references for the lede since the first few paragraphs have confusing inconsistencies with the rest of the article such as:(Large-scale massacres of Armenians occurred in the 1890s and 1909.)
which is inconsistent withDate 1915-1917
Hank the Sniper (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
As it is said on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Citations, " Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations". This alone should be enough for including citations in the lede, as the subject at hand is complex and controversial. Mention of the same sources should not be considered absurd in this case. The Armenian genocide resulted in the destruction of more than two millennia of Armenian civilization.
this is a sentence which is quite hyperbolic for example, which means it should be well cited. It also disregards one of the core concepts of Wikipedia articles which is an impartial tone. As it is said on WP:EPSTYLE "The tone, however, should always remain formal, impersonal, and dispassionate." As for the other sentence discussed before which said vast majority
, academic consensus alone is not a good enough reason for writing such a hyperbolic statement. Although there are instences of the same thing being said on other articles such as evolution these claims were actuallly proven with surveys and more (ex: Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.[1] [2] Scientific associations have strongly rebutted and refuted the challenges to evolution proposed by intelligent design proponents.[3] -Taken from the page Level of support for evolution ). Furthermore the lede also mentions Ottoman leaders took isolated indications of Armenian resistance as evidence of a widespread rebellion, though no such rebellion existed.
which is absent in the body(or not apperant), casesof resistance being isolated and the non-existence of reblions is never again mentioned, therefore calls for citations.
- ^ Academic consensus:
- Suny, Ronald Grigor (2009). "Truth in Telling: Reconciling Realities in the Genocide of the Ottoman Armenians". The American Historical Review. 114 (4): 930–946 [935]. doi:10.1086/ahr.114.4.930.|quote=Overwhelmingly, since 2000, publications by non-Armenian academic historians, political scientists, and sociologists... have seen 1915 as one of the classic cases of ethnic cleansing and genocide.}}
- Göçek 2015, p. 1. "The Western scholarly community is almost in full agreement that what happened to the forcefully deported Armenian subjects of the Ottoman Empire in 1915 was genocide..."
- Laycock, Jo (2016). "The Great Catastrophe". Patterns of Prejudice. 50 (3): 311–313. doi:10.1080/0031322X.2016.1195548.
... important developments in the historical research on the genocide over the last fifteen years... have left no room for doubt that the treatment of the Ottoman Armenians constituted genocide according to the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.
- Kasbarian, Sossie; Öktem, Kerem (2016). "One Hundred Years Later: the Personal, the Political and the Historical in Four New Books on the Armenian Genocide". Caucasus Survey. 4 (1): 92–104. doi:10.1080/23761199.2015.1129787.
... the denialist position has been largely discredited in the international academy. Recent scholarship has overwhelmingly validated the Armenian Genocide...
- ^ Academic consensus:
- Suny, Ronald Grigor (2009). "Truth in Telling: Reconciling Realities in the Genocide of the Ottoman Armenians". The American Historical Review. 114 (4): 930–946 [935]. doi:10.1086/ahr.114.4.930.|quote=Overwhelmingly, since 2000, publications by non-Armenian academic historians, political scientists, and sociologists... have seen 1915 as one of the classic cases of ethnic cleansing and genocide.}}
- Göçek 2015, p. 1. "The Western scholarly community is almost in full agreement that what happened to the forcefully deported Armenian subjects of the Ottoman Empire in 1915 was genocide..."
- Laycock, Jo (2016). "The Great Catastrophe". Patterns of Prejudice. 50 (3): 311–313. doi:10.1080/0031322X.2016.1195548.
... important developments in the historical research on the genocide over the last fifteen years... have left no room for doubt that the treatment of the Ottoman Armenians constituted genocide according to the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.
- Kasbarian, Sossie; Öktem, Kerem (2016). "One Hundred Years Later: the Personal, the Political and the Historical in Four New Books on the Armenian Genocide". Caucasus Survey. 4 (1): 92–104. doi:10.1080/23761199.2015.1129787.
... the denialist position has been largely discredited in the international academy. Recent scholarship has overwhelmingly validated the Armenian Genocide...
- ^ Stanley, Alessandra (17 April 2006). "A PBS Documentary Makes Its Case for the Armenian Genocide, With or Without a Debate". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 13 September 2018. Retrieved 22 December 2018.
- ^ Çelik, Ersin, Erdoğan tells Germany to look at own 'genocide' history, Yeni Şafak, retrieved 2022-07-27
- ^ "History group head slams 'outlandish' German resolution". aa.com.tr. 7 June 2016. Archived from the original on 9 August 2018. Retrieved 17 June 2016.
- ^ Krzysztan, Bartłomiej (2022-02-28). "Historical Analogy and Political Continuity as Technologies of Power. The Armenian Genocide and Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict Interrelation in the Contemporary Armenian Politics". International Journal of Armenian Genocide Studies. 6 (2): 6–39. doi:10.51442/ijags.0021. ISSN 1829-4405.
- You appear not to understand how this works. For example, you added a {{cn}} tag to the sentence "As of 2022, 33 countries have recognized the events as genocide, as do many historians". Both clauses of this sentence are sourced in the body of the article, in the sections "International recognition" and "Archives and historiography". Therefore the tag is invalid here. If you believe that any part of the lead paragraph is badly or insufficiently cited, you need to explain that in detail here for discussion before tag bombing the page of what is after all a Featured Article. Please also be aware of the 1RR restriction mentioned above. Please note that the requirement for LEADCITEs, as you have actually posted above, only applies to BLPs ("Any statements about living persons that are challenged or likely to be challenged must have an inline citation every time they are mentioned, including within the lead."). Black Kite (talk) 09:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- As it is said on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Citations, " Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations". This alone should be enough for including citations in the lede, as the subject at hand is complex and controversial. Mention of the same sources should not be considered absurd in this case.
The Armenian genocide resulted in the destruction of more than two millennia of Armenian civilization.
this is a sentence which is quite hyperbolic for example, which means it should be well cited. It also disregards one of the core concepts of Wikipedia articles which is an impartial tone. As it is said on WP:EPSTYLE "The tone, however, should always remain formal, impersonal, and dispassionate." As for the other sentence discussed before which saidvast majority
, academic consensus alone is not a good enough reason for writing such a hyperbolic statement. Although there are instences of the same thing being said on other articles such as evolution these claims were actuallly proven with surveys and more (ex: Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.[1] [2] Scientific associations have strongly rebutted and refuted the challenges to evolution proposed by intelligent design proponents.[3] -Taken from the page Level of support for evolution ). Furthermore the lede also mentionsOttoman leaders took isolated indications of Armenian resistance as evidence of a widespread rebellion, though no such rebellion existed.
which is absent in the body(or not apperant), casesof resistance being isolated and the non-existence of reblions is never again mentioned, therefore calls for citations.
- As it is said on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Citations, " Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations". This alone should be enough for including citations in the lede, as the subject at hand is complex and controversial. Mention of the same sources should not be considered absurd in this case.
- You appear not to understand how this works. For example, you added a {{cn}} tag to the sentence "As of 2022, 33 countries have recognized the events as genocide, as do many historians". Both clauses of this sentence are sourced in the body of the article, in the sections "International recognition" and "Archives and historiography". Therefore the tag is invalid here. If you believe that any part of the lead paragraph is badly or insufficiently cited, you need to explain that in detail here for discussion before tag bombing the page of what is after all a Featured Article. Please also be aware of the 1RR restriction mentioned above. Please note that the requirement for LEADCITEs, as you have actually posted above, only applies to BLPs ("Any statements about living persons that are challenged or likely to be challenged must have an inline citation every time they are mentioned, including within the lead."). Black Kite (talk) 09:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Hank the Sniper (talk) 01:20, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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