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Email address of User:Isaidnoway

I can't find Isaidnoway's email address, I saw your post in their talk page, do you have it by any chance? We're coordinating on Avianca Flight 011 together and it's really important. Tigerdude9 (talk) 20:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Tigerdude9 - You can email Isaidnoway by navigating to his user page and then clicking on the "email this user" link located on the left navigation pane. This will navigate you to a form where you can send an email to the user. Please note that, unless the message contains private information or implies urgency that must be expressed via email, you should stick to leaving the user a message on their user talk page where it remains public and on Wikipedia. If it involves a discussion over a specific article's content, you should keep the discussion on the article's talk page and ping the user to notify them of the discussion instead. Discussions that take place "off wiki" (or outside of Wikipedia) do not count to the community as an "official discussion" and where decisions can be made and consensus reached. This is because of the fact that it was not public and available for all members of the community to see and provide input to. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Good luck with the discussion and I wish you happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:07, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. ArishiaNishi (talk) 21:26, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

ArishiaNishi - Were you attempting to reply to the message that Tigerdude9 left above? If so, see my response above. If not, let me know. If you could elaborate on what you were referring to and if you needed help with something, I'll be happy and able to help you. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:10, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Ha. I got a request and followed a link to this page and now I see it was Tigerdude9 who needed the info. My apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArishiaNishi (talk • contribs) 06:53, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

No worries, ArishiaNishi - happens all the time ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

2019 in television

Last night I made an article called 2019 in television and it was safe but now it's a rederict I thought 2019 was here but earlier I blanked the page and that was a mistake. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 16:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

No worries; thanks for leaving me a message and for explaining. Mistakes happen... we were all new here at one point and we've all made mistakes. The article you created was converted into a redirect so that people who navigate to that title will instead be forwarded to the main article where this information (as well as the information from earlier years) is all listed. The information you added is still available to be reviewed. Simply click on the small link located near the top of the page that says "(Redirected from 2019 in television)" to be taken back to the original page without being forwarded, then click on the History tab. You'll be able to see all edits made to that page and pull any content from any revision. If you have any questions or need help with anything, please let me know and I'll be happy to do so. Thanks again for the message and I wish you happy editing :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:14, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

User Appers to be gaming the system

User:TheBoiZurkelman Has been making the same two edits over and over again. adding a period, then removeing it, then adding it again, look at his contributions to his own User page. Seems to trying to gain Extended confirmed. I would like your view on this as I don't have a lot of experience with that kind of stuff. Thanks! Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 17:42, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

He also just removed my comment. I have restored it and warned him.Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 17:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I’m very sorry. I am a little addicted to earning badges and awards. I promise it won’t happen again. I just thought that on MY page, it would cause the LEAST harm. I’m sorry for causing disruptance. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBoiZurkelman (talk • contribs) 17:58, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - It looks like this user was blocked for the reasons you stated here. People who do this within their user space are almost always trying to rack up edits in order to become extended confirmed. It only helps the user meet one of the requirements, but it also means that they'll be able to modify articles under this protection as soon as the account exceeds 30 days in age. Definitely say something if you see behavior like this; in many (if not most) cases, this stems from block evasion, LTA activity, sock puppetry, or some kind of plan to cause disruption ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Hey can you do me favour and check out WP:AIV as the backlog is getting pretty severe. I left a message on IRC but couldn't get ahold of anyone. Cheers dmartin969 23:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Dmartin969 - Sure can! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:30, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

HG

How to use Huggle?Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thegooduser - See Huggle's page; it has a link to their manual, which should do a decent job providing you with enough information to get started. My advice for you regarding Huggle is to be very careful. Use only the mouse to perform actions on Huggle until you get proficient with the interface; do not use the keyboard or any keyboard hotkeys to perform actions until you get used to how Huggle works first. It's very easy to accidentally press or elbow the wrong button or key, and Huggle will perform that action and without any confirmation and very little indication that you've done so. Many new Huggle users won't know that they did something wrong or messed something up until they receive a message on their user talk page from an angry editor inquiring about your revert. You definitely do not want to be that user. Read through the manual and familiarize yourself with Huggle using only the mouse first. When, and only when, you find yourself comfortable and proficient with Huggle's interface should you consider using the keyboard or setting up shortcuts. Good luck, Huggle carefully, and happy patrolling! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:22, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

It's too hard for me to understand. I stick to TW for now :) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Good call. It's always better to stick to the tool that you personally find easiest to use and that works for you. In every situation, it's better to be accurate than fast when it comes to patrolling recent changes ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Email Sent

How do I maker a notice for email sent? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate and expand upon your question so I can understand? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

The notice after you send an email. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - You mean when Wikipedia tells you, "Your email has been sent" after you send an email to a user? That's not a page that you can customize. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Yep Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Yeah, I don't believe that the confirmation page for that can be customized. Sorry. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

edit

I honesty think I did the write thing I saw a spelling error so I fixed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.126.251 (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)I don't think so... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Don't feed trolls... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

What

I have no idea what you ment by saying I wasn't placing constructive feedback on the certain page. Would you care to "expand"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AHungryBoi125 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Admin

When Can become an admin? In 1 year? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Thegooduser: You can become an admin when your work on the site satisfies the community to give you the mop . It does not depend on the time , it depends on quality of work you do . Kpgjhpjm 01:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Administrators are users who have been granted the rights by community consensus and after a week-long review and discussion of the user's contributions to Wikipedia. It a senior-level user group that requires at a minimum: a long-term and consistent demonstration of the user's knowledge and compliance of Wikiedia's policies and guidelines, participation and understanding of relevant policies in different administrative areas on Wikipedia (such as AIV, UAA, AFD, and others), and the natural ability to lead, motivate, understand, explain, keep calm, and help users who are in conflict and with little-to-no history or patterns of incivility, losing patience, or behaving "under the stress" or "in response to stress". It is not given to new editors. If you're looking into possibly becoming an administrator someday, you should read through this advice essay, this guide, as well as this one. These pages will help give you an idea of what is expected of potential administrator candidates, the process, and what being an administrator is as well as what it isn't. Apart from having (literally) a few extra buttons, there is no difference between editors who are administrators and editors who are not; administrators do not have additional "authority", "rank", or "priority" over anyone else. They cannot "tell users what to do", "block, hide, or remove whatever they want", nor can they "make their own rules". They're simply editors who, by community discussion and consensus, have been granted the ability to perform tasks that are not given out to all users for practicality reasons. That's it. Read through those guides, and maybe consider down the road if adminship is right for you. You still have plenty to learn, many places to explore, many more mistakes to make and learn from, and more overall experience to gain before you'd be considered for such a role - even if you were to look one year ahead from now. Is it possible you may be considered for the rights a year from now? Yes. Has it happened before? Sure, a number of times. Is it realistic given how I've seen the expectations, discussions, input, and votes of the community? I'd say no. Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:30, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I am [REDACTED - Oshwah]? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - So that the information you gave above doesn't come back to bite you at all (as well as for your privacy), I redacted it for you. Don't make information about yourself public like that unless you absolutely understand the possible consequences of doing so and you're absolutely sure that you're okay with such information being public forever. The short answer to your question is 'no, it is not'. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser and Oshwah: The only problem is that I got to know the information in an edit conflict with you . Kpgjhpjm 01:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Kpgjhpjm - It happens; no worries ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - It's nothing to apologize for lol. I was just trying to help you out is all... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

YGM

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Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I have been banned from the IRC channel for Revdel. When can I request an unblock? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

First, I would read through Wikipedia's policies and guidelines page regarding the use of revision deletion and make sure that you fully understand it first. I'd give it a few weeks first, then ask to talk to someone on IRC regarding the channel ban. Please know that you weren't banned from the channel because you are a bad person or because people in the channel dislike you or anything like that; you were making too many revDel requests in the channel for revisions and content that did not meet the requirements and didn't need revision deletion under the policy. After some time has passed and you've demonstrated that you have a better understanding of the policy and when we apply revision deletion and when we don't, you'll be able to rejoin the channel again no problem :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

TheWikiWizard

Would You like to contribute to My Newspaper? Thanks.Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Thegooduser: You should simply contribute to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom instead. I'm sure they will help you write articles or do any other work you want to help with. I can help with any questions you have. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Power~enwiki - joining and contributing to the Wikipedia Signpost would be a better thing for you to do instead of putting fourth unnecessary work and starting something redundant that already exists :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Shall I g7 it? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:29, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - That's entirely up to you. If you wish for it to be deleted, just let me know here and I'll just do it for you ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:31, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Georgetown University Edit

Hi Oshwah, you recently removed my edit on this page. I would like to add the information as a fact, which it is. Can you suggest a better way of writing it? I would have put it on her page but she has blocked editing. She has published terrible speech that is hate filled with sexist, racist and extremist and she is a professor at this University. Twitter has diabled her account and there are at least a dozen sources of this. Are we trying to hide the facts? Thank you Oshwah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauloster (talk) 03:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pauloster, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your questions. I saw that you added your question here using your IP address (probably accidentally and after signing out of your account) - no worries; I've redacted your IP information for you so that your privacy and security is protected. Your edit here to Georgetown University was reverted for a number of reasons, with the most prominent reason being that it violated Wikipedia's policy requiring all content to be worded to reflect a neutral point of view. Your edit to the article did not do this, and appeared to consist solely of your input, point-of-view, and opinion. Aside from this, your edit also mentioned that one of the professors at this school wrote controversial messages using social media and without citing any reliable sources. These are the main reasons why your edit was removed. Please take the time to go through Wikipedia's new user tutorial if you haven't done so already, and review the pages I've linked for you here. They will further explain different policies and guidelines that you should be aware of. Please let me know if you have any questions after you've completed the tutorial and reviewed the policy pages I've linked you to, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message and I wish you well. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Serial Number 54129 - Will check my email momentarily. My phone is making a backup image of the OS; I can't grab any two-step authentication numbers until it finishes. Should be done in 10 minutes tops. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129 -  Done; thank you for reporting this to me. See my email response to you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

STiki

Hi! What do you think about this tool STiki? Is it good and easy to use? And are there more tools like Twinkle, Huggle and STiki? Knightrises10 (talk) 11:31, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Knightrises10! I've used STiki only very lightly, but of that small amount of time that I tried it, I felt that the app seemed easy to use and effective (you should be careful regardless, of course lol). Worst case scenario: you try it out, find that it's not the tool for you or the tool you like, and you uninstall it ;-). I showed you the section that's a list of tools on this page, right? If not, that's a great place to go to if you're looking for recent changes patrolling tools to try out :-). Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them and help you. Good luck! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I will try STiki someday :-) And I see there are many tools of which I did not most of them. Reading about them now ;-) Knightrises10 (talk) 11:45, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Cool deal; I'm here if you have any questions. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

By the way, what is your view about a user right that allows non-administrators to temporarily protect a page for a short time (eg, 15 mins), when the article is being heavily vandalised and admins already have a huge backlog? Knightrises10 (talk) 12:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - You mean a new user right that would allow trusted users a limited ability to protect pages? If it's restricted to adding only semi protection and for a maximum duration of 15 minutes pending an admin's investigation and actions taken (and given strict guidelines on when to use it and when not to), I don't see much harm in making such a proposal. You'll want to review past proposals like this if you're seriously considering the creation of one like this. This has probably been proposed in the past, and many times. You don't want to waste time by creating a redundant proposal if one is in the works or a similar one has closed in the past. Pleae don't hesitate to let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:45, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I talked about this at the Village Pump (Idea Lab), and was told that it had been proposed many times before. I took a look at the last of them. I'm still unsure if I should propose it though. Knightrises10 (talk) 12:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Wait... How about "blockuser"s and "page deleter"s? :) —AE (talk • contributions) 12:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Blocking a user or deleting a page is a much more sensitive and difficult task. There is more fear of abusing power in them than in rollback or page protection. Knightrises10 (talk) 13:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Abelmoschus Esculentus - This also has been proposed numerous times in the past - that I can tell you for sure ;-). My thoughts? I'm not against such proposals if the ability to block was restricted to anonymous users (no ranges), new (non-confirmed) accounts, and a maximum duration of say, 15 minutes? Deletion of pages would be a tricky one in my opinion. The common arguments stated in opposition to the ideas that you and Knightrises10 are mentioning here is, "at that point, where you're giving out these kind of user rights to users, they should be undergoing a community review and consensus first, which is what RFA is about. Then they might as well just run for administrator..." (as well as others). Again, check the Village pump proposals page and search for past proposals there - you'll get an idea as to why they've all failed to achieve consensus ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Authored?

You got a reference for that? 5.81.164.16 (talk) 12:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Wikipedia policy and guideline pages should be changed only after a discussion is concluded and a consensus reached (either on the talk page or at RFC) to modify the content. This is why I reverted your changes. I did leave an edit summary explaining that "authoring" and "writing" can mean different things in writing. Being an author of a book doesn't necessarily mean that you wrote it. I'm obviously no expert here and I probably should have added a different edit summary, but the main reason was due to the explanation I gave here regarding discussion and consensus. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hello Oshwah. Is it really necessary to make a dummy edit like this to remove rollback link for all people who have that page in their watchlist? —AE (talk • contributions) 12:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Abelmoschus Esculentus - In this exact instance you pointed out, probably not since no editors are likely to use rollback to revert the changes. In mostly all other instances I do it, yes. I usually do it on articles and pages where a user adds vandalism or other blatant disruption to it, then removes it all afterwards with no edits in-between. It doesn't flag the revision as "reviewed" or remove it from the queues of recent changes patrolling tools, and when a user goes to revert the edit or use rollback to remove it, an error is returned. Rollback doesn't ignore edits where the user self-reverts them right afterwards, it always attempts to roll back the changes and if nothing is changed, it errors out and can cause other confusing errors and issues. In those instances where the probability that other editors might use rollback to undo the changes and without realizing that they were self-reverted, adding a dummy edit is the best and quickest solution to prevent that confusion, which is why I do so. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for the message and I wish you a great rest of your day. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Block SPI vandals

Hey Oshwah! Whoever LTA it is who keeps creating accounts to close SPIs falsely and claims to be a check user is back again. Could you please block Musbehgu and Vrepit Sa22 indefinitely and delete their userpages as well? Thanks!--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 12:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 -  Done. Let me know if you see any more sock puppet users doing this and I'll be happy to take care of them. Thanks for keeping an eye out! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick - thanks! I'll let you know if need be. The disruption is becoming quite persistent now, unfortunately, due to there being so many accounts every day for so many days. Wonder if it would be possible to set up an abuse filter or something? Maybe it would be better to discuss details via email, though.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 12:45, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 - It's definitely possible to create a filter, but given the user whose probably doing this, they'll find ways around the filters we set up very quickly, and with each sock puppet creation and series of attempts being different on purpose. This would just move the "cat and mouse game" to be over multiple places (in my opinion). Cool deal; I'm here if you find any more - just let me know :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:49, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

10,000 edits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LakesideMiners,_10000_edits.png I wish I saw that sooner. But still, 10,000 edits. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 14:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - Congratulations on making 10,000 edits. Just remember that edit count isn't everything ;-). I haven't checked my count in quite some time and I don't know how many edits I have, but seeing as probably... 85% of my total edits (my "guesstimate") are automated and involve recent changes patrolling, my edit count wouldn't (and shouldn't) be regarded as anything particularly special... lol. Regardless, 10,000 edits is awesome and I hope you keep up the good work and that I see you at 20,000 edits someday soon :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I know, quality not quantity. But still, edit counts do show how active you have been as well, https://xtools.wmflabs.org/sc/en.wikipedia.org/Oshwah You exceeded the cap for the xtools edit-counter (350,00). But is dose show a simple edit count, and you have 374,770 edits.Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 14:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - Good; it sounds like you understand edit counts then ;-). Oh wow, that's... that's a lot of edits. Maybe I should get a hobby... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners you may enjoy this essay Wikipedia:Editcountitis. As Oshwah says edit count isn't everything but, speaking as one who is inflicted with editcountitis, it can be fun to follow. MarnetteD|Talk 14:45, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

R/D?

Thanks for the block of IBurnedMyHandAtNight (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). All of their edits were attacks on Widr and I'll bet he will find all those pings obnoxious. I don't know if you will find the edits themselves R/D worthy but I do think this [[REDACTED - Oshwah] this edit summary] is. If you disagree I will understand. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 14:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi MarnetteD! No problem; always happy to help ;-)... plus this user isn't someone I'm unfamiliar with... lol. Yup, definitely needs redaction -  Done. Thanks for letting me know. If you see any more edits that need revDel, email them to me instead of posting them here. This keeps the Streisand effect as low and minimal as possible ;-). Thanks again and I hope you have a great day. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Will do O. I also use oversight to avoid the SE but it is nice to know that I can contact you directly. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 14:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Um, MarnetteD, it looks like you somehow duplicated Oshwah's talk page here. Maybe it has something to do with getting in an edit conflict with a revdeled edit?--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 14:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I fixed it. No big deal ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

MarnetteD - Of course. My user talk page and my email are both always open to you, and you're welcome to post here or email me any time you need to. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh good grief - Must - need - morning - coffee. Apologies O :-) MarnetteD|Talk 14:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

MarnetteD - No apologies are needed; it's not a big deal at all ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

There's some weird sh*t going down on the Osh's TP residentially :) can anyone locate, from the page history, who left the comment n the section above, linking to WP:EDITCOUNTITIS...? —5⁴¹²⁹ 14:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I did Serial Number 54129. I was making two different posts at the same time and forgot to sign the first one. Need coffee stat! MarnetteD|Talk 14:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, your pagedump, MarnetteD  :) I just realsied that too, as, being Sherlockian this time of afternoon, of course it was the one post I didn't actually read in full. Naturally, all 124K bytes eh :D cheers! —5⁴¹²⁹ 14:49, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It happens - the lack of coffee definitely contributes to the many errors I've made on Wikipedia... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Serial Number 54129 - That was MarnetteD (in combination with the edit that created this discussion and section). The reason it's not visible is because I redacted a link that was provided and to a revision that was in need of revDel (to stop the Streisand effect as much as possible). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Username

Dear admin, would you mind dropping a username block? https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:American_Recording_Studio&action=edit&redlink=1 209.51.172.142 (talk) 14:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Future reports of accounts with usernames that are in violation of Wikipedia's username policy should go here (in the event I'm away from the computer, so other administrators can see and handle them), but I'm also happy to handle requests as well ;-). Just make sure that you report them there first. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I know, but I saw you were active, cleaning up your talk page. ;) And "in the event you're away from the computer"--what event could that be? YOURE ALWAYS ON, haha. Look, if you want to cover those events, just nominate MarnetteD for admin. Thanks for the block! 209.51.172.142 (talk) 14:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

HA! That's a sad and unfortunate truth.... I need a hobby.... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

• hey Oshwah, seriously, you need to block this jerk now, and look in their edits to see what needs to be revdeleted. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.172.142 (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. It's another sock puppet account that's been doing the same thing all morning. Let me know if you see any more disruption like this and I'll be glad to take care of them ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Idk

Can I use the templates in Template:AN3 or Template:RFPP? —AE (talk • contributions) 14:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - Sure. I would take the source code out of the AN3 or RFPP templates that you want to use and then copy them to new pages within your user space and use those as your templates (in case the AN3 or RFPP response templates also generate statistics, are tracked or monitored elsewhere, or also do other things that I don't know about). This way, there's no chance that using the template at your leisure could cause any unintended disruption or other things ;-). I'm sure that all they do is provide an easy and consistent way for admins to respond and nothing more, but that's what I did (and for the same reason - just in case). Let let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I will just memorize them all (or transclude the template into my userpage) :) My username is too looooooooooooooong! —AE (talk • contributions) 15:03, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - HA! That is one unfortunate drawback to having a long username... when you want to make your own templates, calling them can be a pain ;-). Again, I could be completely wrong with the thought that those templates might also do other things. I've never seen them do anything else in my experience - you might just be okay with using them. I would substitute them instead of transcluding them when you want to use them, and this should also avoid any possible issues (if any even exist). Let me know if you have questions or need help in understanding the difference between substitution and transclusion (they are indeed very different), and I'll be happy to answer them and help you. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:10, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

SPI

Do you find SPI clerking Interesting? I don't know if I am using the correct term lol, because this is one of the only things on Wikipedia that I am not much aware of. But I want to know if it can interest me too :-) Knightrises10 (talk) 15:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Knightrises10! SPI clerks are users who are approved and have been trained to help with open reports filed at Wikipedia's sock puppet investigation noticeboard. Other than performing "backstage" duties such as moving and combining pages, fixing errors, updating or changing report and page titles, and other "behind the scenes" maintenance and upkeep, their main purpose is to use their experience and training to investigate open cases and, using the information and evidence provided (alongside their own investigation), decide what actions are needed. If the reporting user requested a CheckUser, the SPI clerk could either endorse the request or decline it. If the evidence is obvious, the SPI clerk would simply request blocking of some or all of the accounts listed and explain the obvious or behavioral evidence warranting such action. In a nutshell, they keep the SPI noticeboard running smoothly by doing the "maintenance and page move work" and by investigating cases and responding with recommended actions that should be taken. You can read through all of the SPI clerk procedures here. SPI is certainly a place that can be both interesting, fun, and rewarding to participate in. However, clerks need to be approved and trained first, and being approved as a clerk requires extensive background experience in locating and reporting long-term abuse and sock puppet accounts, as well as extensive knowledge of relevant policies and processes. With time, experience, interest, and desire - you can certainly become an SPI clerk someday. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'll be happy to answer them if you do. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Seems interesting but difficult :P What is this training about? Who trains? Knightrises10 (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - The training is typically done by an experienced SPI clerk or CheckUser whose approved to train. The training consists of being given questions to answer, and SPI reports to handle while under supervision, so that the trainer can provide feedback and point the trainee to any mistakes or corrections needed. It basically helps them to learn the ropes, how to handle situations and maintenance/upkeep needs properly, and prepares them for being a full clerk that doesn't require such supervision and is approved to work and clerk in SPI on their own. Let me know if you have any more questions. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, thanks :-) I would like to get trained one day :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightrises10 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Awesome! It's definitely an interesting project area to participate in :-). When you've become experienced and have mastered the tasks involved with reverting vandalism and disruption, warning users, reporting repeat disruption to the proper noticeboards (AIV, AN3, ANI), catching and reporting users who abuse multiple accounts (this comes naturally when you become a master at patrolling pages and spotting disruption), and creating good sockpuppet investigation reports - you'll then be ready to consider applying. It's definitely a project and position that requires good experience in the areas I mentioned, but it's definitely a good long-term desire or goal to have for yourself. It usually takes quite some time in order to gain the experience required and looked for (one year from today at a minimum, typically 2 years or so average), but it's time that'll pass by quickly if you're doing the right things, and it's experience that you'll benefit from greatly as you grow and learn. Who knows... during the time that you gain experience and grow, you might find yourself interested in another project, area, or pathway on Wikipedia. A lot can happen and change in a year (which is a good thing!) ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, it's more than possible ;-) Initially, I was never interested in countering Vandalism, but now I am a regular RC patroller. I'm sure and hope I will get interested in more and more, but will never lose interest in anything :-) Knightrises10 (talk) 16:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

My new article

Hey Oshwah! I’m just wondering if you could review my new draft! (Although it says that it was published) I was wondering if you could help me improve the page, because it’s the church that I go to! Here’s the link to the article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:White_River_Christian_Church DabitDodo 16:13, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi DabitDodo! I took a look at your draft, and so far it seems like you're doing well with building it. I wouldn't be doing my due duty and diligence, though, if I didn't mention to you that creating an article about the church you attend and are a regular member of will probably represent a conflict of interest (since you have a relationship with the article subject as a member of the congregation). I'm not saying that you did anything wrong (you most likely didn't know about 'conflict of interest' here), but I want to let you know so that you're not left feeling surprised and frustrated if someone else brings this to your attention or it is the reason behind a decision or response that you don't agree with. Since you're new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you. Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else. Have a great rest of your day, good luck, and happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for your work in anti-vandalism! Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 20:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dreamy Jazz! Thanks for taking the time to leave me this barnstar - it really means a lot! I've been running into you quite a bit out on the battlefield - keep up the excellent work, and please know that you're welcome to message me here any time you need anything and I'll be than happy to help. Awesome signature, by the way! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

This sandbox autobiography

Hi Oshwah! Can you take a look here. Since the creator and the subject are same, it seems like an autobiography. Thanks, Knightrises10 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Can do. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - I deleted the user page per U5 since the user appears to either be using it for self-promotion, as a host, or as if it were for social networking. I'll leave the user's sandbox alone for now, since it's generally okay to have test edits and whatever content in there (so long as it isn't used against policy of course). Please let me know if I can do anything else for you. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I hadn't seen the user page. And doubted if the sandbox should be CSDed. That's why I decided to ask you instead ;) Knightrises10 (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - No problem ;-). The user page was exactly the same as the user's sandbox. Depending on how they're using their sandbox, it can be tagged for speedy deletion, but we're generally more loose when it comes to user sandboxes. It just depends on what they're using it for and what their intent seems to be focused on. Come back any time you run into any more questions; you're always welcome here. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Article protection for Cyclone Mahina

Hi Oshwah! Can you please Semi-Protect Cyclone Mahina? This article has been persistently vandalized by IPs over the last month. Most of the IPs appear to be the same person, but since the IPs involve multiple, distantly-related ranges, I'm not sure how effectively a block can be implemented for that person. The edits by anons to that article have been persistently non-constructive, and I believe that the article could benefit from some protection. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi LightandDark2000 - It looks like the IP editing has only occurred a few times over the past few months, so I'm going to hold off on applying semi-protection. However, I'll apply pending changes protection to keep things from appearing readable to the public until after they're approved. If the disruption picks up in frequency or severity, let me know and I'll gladly take another look and reconsider the protection that's needed. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Thanks for the message and I wish you a great rest of your day. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done - thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

The User is again being very disruptive. Block? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - The user has been blocked. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:29, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

YGM

Hello. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks again ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:54, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 03:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Responded. Also, this didn't need to be emailed to me privately. Please keep in mind that messages that don't contain sensitive diffs or edits or messages that are not urgent or emergencies should be posted publicly on my user talk page here. It keeps discussions public and collaborative, and is what the community expects to be done by default so that others can view and provide input (if needed). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:29, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry! Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 03:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

It's okay; we just need to keep messages that should be pubic, public ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

One Click Archiver

How does it work???? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 03:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - OneClickArchiver is a set of scripts operating alongside a bot. In a nutshell, it provides you with a link next to each discussion section, and by clicking the "Archive" button the tool creates, the bot will edit the page and move the discussion and append it to an archive page for you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Andrews Nationality

I don't need a source to prove Thomas Andrews was Irish. My source is already on the page. He was born in Comber, County Down 'IRELAND', that makes Andrews 'IRISH' not British. You wouldn't refer to someone from Scotland as British, you would call them 'SCOTTISH'. The same for someone from Wales - 'WELCH', and Australia - 'AUSTRAILIAN'. But it is a typical way of an Englishman, if they're successful, they are automatically British, whereas if they're unsuccessful, they're their true nationality - Welch, Australian, Irish and Scottish. So allow me to correct Thomas Andrews' nationality to 'IRISH' — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronAj 96 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi AaronAj - Oh, then please accept my apologies. If this information and content is already referenced elsewhere within the article, then you're fine - feel free to make the changes that fix and make it accurate :-). Thanks for letting me know, and please don't hesitate to message me if you have any questions or need any help. I'll be happy to lend a hand should you ever need it :-). Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Substituting?

Hello Oshwah. Yesterday you suggested me to substitute those AN3 or RFPP templates. However, It doesn't seem to work if I do it like {{subst:RFPP|d}}. It still shows {{RFPP|d}} in the source code. Do you know how to fix it or just leave it alone? —AE (talk • contributions) 09:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - I can fix it for you, sure. Where is your copy of the template located? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

No I didn't copy it. I use the default {{RFPP}} templates —AE (talk • contributions) 09:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah okay, that's fine. In order to substitute the template, simply add {{subst:tlx|RFPP}} to the page you wish to use the template, and it will do so.

The result
{{RFPP}}

Let me know if you have any questions, and let me know if you're unsure of the difference between substitution and transclusion and I can explain that as well - it's confusing for many until it's explained in a TL;DR fashion ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:14, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

The result you mentioned above in the cbox is only for {{RFPP}}, how about substituting {{RFPP|d}} which shows Declined. (d is the parameter) —AE (talk • contributions) 09:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Abelmoschus Esculentus - Ahhh, so I didn't realize something. Looking at the code when I added that substitution, we have another step to do first. That template takes a parameter, which substitutes another template depending on what you chose (in this case, you added 'd' as the parameter). Hold on, I'll write you some instructions... stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - You know what? I just realized... there's a better template you can use if you're looking to use the "denied" response. Use Template:Declined instead of Template:RFPP. This way, you just need to add {{subst:Template:Declined}} to substitute it:

The result
Declined

That should be what you're looking for. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh. But that series doesn't have Already blocked :(. Maybe I just transclude it. Thanks for your help again and hope you have a good day. —AE (talk • contributions) 09:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - No, don't be silly :-). Let me locate the template for that particular response and give it to you. If it doesn't exist, I'll just make one for you - easy peasy ;-). Give me a few and I'll respond here with the location. Stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus -  Done, here you go :-). The template I just created for you is located at Template:Already blocked. Let me know if I can help you with anything else and I'll be happy to do so. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much! <3 I'll try to do others. Cheers —AE (talk • contributions) 09:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - No problem. If you get stuck or need more help, you know where to find me ;-). Good luck - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

How to become software engineer in wikipedia

What skills I should have to become software engineer at Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4070:2288:73B2:7638:2E55:9739:BDC2 (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your question :-). For most editors on Wikipedia who are proficient with software, adding and fixing scripts and code, and editing templates and other site-wide and project code pages on Wikipedia - they brought their experience and skillset to Wikipedia with them from outside experience and education. They didn't learn the basic fundamentals of software engineering, scripts and coding, and how to build, troubleshoot, maintain, and improve code pages from here. What exactly are you wishing to do on Wikipedia when you ask what skills you should have to become a "software engineer at Wikipedia"? What would you like to be doing exactly? This information will help me to understand what you're asking exactly, as well as set you in the right direction. Let me know when you can and I'll be happy to continue helping you. Hope to hear back from you soon - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Shah Salim Khan

Thanks for your help with the above article. Just in case you didn't have time to look at the context I came across the article when reviewing NPP and despite it being an obvious COI or PAID article as per WP:POLITICIAN he was presumed notable but the original source saying he denied being disqualified made me curious. I scraped around and found confirmation of this so it was a pleasure to add this information and see the COI editor hoist with his own petard. --Dom from Paris (talk) 11:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Domdeparis! No problem. I ran into it while I was patrolling recent changes, and I noticed the ongoing dispute and what was clearly an obvious COI issue and edit war. If any shenanigans continue on that article, let me know and I'll be happy to take a look and step in if needed. Thanks again for keeping eyes on it and for making the edits and reversions with the project's integrity and best interest in mind :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Pending Changes Protection for Syed Ahmad Khan

Hi! This page is in my watchlist and I usually come across IP edits, most of which are either unsourced or personal views/commentary. Since the page is not frequently vandalised, semi-protection is not needed. But will it be useful if it is protected as Pending Changes? Thanks, Knightrises10 (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Knightrises10! Welcome back :-). To answer your question: Yes, I think this situation is perfect to where applying pending changes protection is useful over applying semi protection, and I have applied such protection to the article for two months. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Hope to speak to you again soon, maybe on IRC? (Not sure if you ended up liking IRC or chatting on the English Wikipedia channel or not) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Yup, I liked IRC, though I don't use it frequently. Hope to talk to you there soon. Knightrises10 (talk) 12:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - You bet. I'm on IRC 24/7 and usually active - stop by whenever you're feeling up to it; you're welcome back any time :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Can you please also see this draft, if it meets the criteria for deletion. Knightrises10 (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Yup, G11 definitely applies here. Keep up the excellent work :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Change made on Shah Salim Khan page

Hi Oshwah, The Shah Salim Khan page has content written that he's disqualified. However, he isn't disqualified and is a sitting member of the Gilgit Baltistan Assembly after re-election. The official website content will be updated also. Please let me know how can I update that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassankhanonline (talk • contribs) 12:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hassankhanonline, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns. If the content within the article is not correct, you should add a discussion to the article's talk page with your explanation and any references you can provide to show otherwise. This will allow your information to be discussed and (if determined to be correct) added to the article for you. Please add a discussion there, as this is the proper way to address your concerns. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns and I'll be happy to help you further. Thanks again for the message and I wish you the best of luck and a peaceful discussion with the information you add to the article's talk page :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah, I don't have any links available for that information at the moment. Until or unless I get the information please delete that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassankhanonline (talk • contribs) 12:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

What'd you do to that poor misunderstood IP?

Jeez Oshwah, what'd you do to really get that IP mad. He was probably just misunderstood :) . I'm just curious, can you warn people for vandalism in talk pages or just for edits to articles?
Kyle Bryant (talk) 13:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Kb03, You can warn IPs for vandalism on talk pages, especially when it violates the talk page guidelines. Usually this involves deleting or editing other's comments. In those cases, I usually use {{uw-tpv1}}. However, I tend to use the {{uw-vand1}} templates for the instances when the vandal blanks the entire talk page and replaces it with nonsense. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 13:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Hi Kb03! Heck if I know, but I'd much rather them make their threats toward me than toward other editors. So if they want to trash my talk page, threaten to kill me, or whatever troll things they usually do, I say as long as they're doing it to me and not someone else - let em ;-). Also, as AntiCompositeNumber said above - you can warn users for disruption and violations of policy that are made to any page on Wikipedia where you discover it. You certainly are not limited to just patrolling and warning users for disruption just to articles ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Good to know. I need to create a banner for my Talk page telling these "poor misunderstood" people to please vandalize your userspace, threaten to kill you, call you names, and otherwise adorn your Talk page with flowers and pretty baubles. One well-known sockmaster keeps saying I'm deceased (one step beyond threatening to kill me), but I'm fairly certain he's wrong.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Bbb23 - HA! Good idea! And how dare they spread such lies about you! I'd be fairly certain that they're wrong as well if I were in your shoes... at least fairly certain though ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Bbb23 Sounds like some first world admin problems to me :) . I haven't gotten mail that could be considered 'hateful' yet, I'm a lowly recent changes patroller. I'm cracking up though that Mr. Sock-puppeteer thinks that saying you're deceased is a good way to get revenge. "Oh yeah, see this random admin on Wikipedia, I'll show him!" Kyle Bryant (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Not mail - my Talk page. It isn't random, either.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Not even admin problems. I get occasional hate mail, and there's a guy (about whom it was relatively easy to find PII, though I don't plan to share it here) in SoCal who likes to make fairly regular death threats on my page, and even resorts to making death threat usernames, which amuse me to no end. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one he does it to, but he does seem to like me a bit more than the others. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

I guess I'm just lucky then, or don't have enough edits to encounter someone like that. It makes you wonder what people hope to accomplish by leaving threats. Kyle Bryant (talk) 15:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

To strike fear or cause anger, usually. It's worth noting that people who presume others will react that way almost inevitably do so because that's exactly how they would react. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:02, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

It's simpler than that... they're trolls. What do trolls typically do? They troll. lol ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:03, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, I like to troll the trolls, personally. Not on wiki (mostly on 4chan and reddit because the butthurt potential is just so strong there). But I wouldn't consider myself a troll. Although I do like bridges, and I'm large and occasionally smelly... And ugly... Holy crap I think I need to go reevaluate my life. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

MPants at work - HA! I probably look and smell more like one than you do :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:12, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

I doubt that. I fit both the "fat slob nerd" and "backwoods hick" stereotypes. Although I'll admit that you do have the hair for it. ;) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

We doing a death threat thread are we? GMG^talk 16:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Myself, I like to critique their style. Anyone who knows enough about me to actually follow through should also already know that I'm better armed, trained, a better shot and probably meaner in general. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:36, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You!

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		You are a joy to talk with both on the Wiki and on IRC! Even when being threatened by vandals, you still are able to keep a good sense of humor. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMinersClick Here To Talk To Me! 15:25, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi LakesideMiners! Thank you for the barnstar and for the very kind words. I appreciate it very much and it means a lot :-). Hey, no matter what happens on Wikipedia, you can't let trolls and LTA users get you down - else you're just giving them exactly what they want, right? ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Yep, you are right. The thing is, they don't make me feel down, most of the attempt are so outrageously funny, they end up doing the exact opposite of what they want to do. and also, the Scottish Wiki is one of the best things I have ever seen. https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 16:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

CVN

What is this Counter Vandalism Network? Knightrises10 (talk) 19:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Knightrises10! Really, it's just a group of editors and people who perform recent changes patrolling and reverting of vandalism. There are IRC channels listed where people can chat, etc. It's comparable to the Counter-Vandalism Unit located here on Wikipedia - it's nothing "official" that requires participation, nor does it give you "exclusive" or "special" things by being part of the group. Heck, I've been performing recent changes patrolling for over 10 years, and I've visited the Counter-Vandalism Unit pages maybe a dozen times and long ago. I don't think I've ever visited the Counter-Vandalism Network page you've pointed out to me - at least not in a very long time. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Going beyond Revdel/OS?

Hey-o! I have few questions about Revdel and Oversighting. First of all, what is the difference between the two? They both seem to do the same thing. Second, in extreme cases, will revisions be completely removed from the wiki? Like as in it is not visible by ANYONE? Thanks! Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 22:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) At least according to WP:OSFAQ, RevisionDeletion and Suppression are functionally the same, except that Administrators cannot see or revert something that has been Suppressed. Oversight is deprecated in favor of Suppression, but when it's used, it's nigh-impossible to revert, requiring a database change. Ravensfire (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi LakesideMiners! Sure, I can explain that for you no problem. Revision deletion allows for administrators to hide revision text, edit summaries, and the performing username/IP of edits from public view. They can also remove the action/target, log summary, and the performing username/IP of an event log from public view as well. When they do this, such information is only viewable to other administrators. Oversighters have the same exact abilities as administrators do and they use the exact same special page to perform the same actions. The difference is that Oversighters have (literally) one extra checkbox available to them there that administrators don't. When they check this box, the information becomes visible only to other Oversighters. Think of it as "hiding the information more" (if that makes sense). Oversighters also have an extra checkbox they can select when they block user accounts indefinitely, allowing them to instantly suppress the username of that account from all logs and edits in a single click. They also can change the visibility of Abuse Filter logs. Aside from those things, the main answer you're looking for is that Oversighters can do what admins can do, only they can set edit and log information to be hidden even from administrators. Yes, I believe there are situations where the WMF will actually remove content from Wikipedia where it's actually gone. One example would be child pornography. Let me know if you have any more questions about revision deletion or suppression and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

On a more opinionated note and while I'm talking about it, I believe that the checkbox available to Oversighters when blocking user accounts indefinitely (automatic suppression the username from all edits and logs) should also be available to administrators (only their use of the option would revDel the username from all logs and edits instead of suppress them). I find that option to be a very useful and powerful tool that would save me a significant amount of time if only I had it available to me. Because I don't, I'm forced to manually redact BLP, libelous, or threatening/attack usernames from each log manually - the block log, the user creation log, the page deletion log, UAA, and more places. I've got it down to a science and process where I can do have a username manually redacted from all logs in about 15 seconds. It would just be nice if I didn't have to do that though ;-). Anyways, thought thought I'd share... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

(Applogies for bad spelling, spell check dosen't work well with the mobile app)I assume that you know what spawned me asking this :p. and ouch. Couldnt you proprose that that be added to the adminastairs toolkit or what ever it is? or are you confdent that your request for OS perms will be approved?Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 23:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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Because you rock!! ^-^ Wikiequus210 (talk) 08:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Sri Divya

Please verify other edits of the editor. Xx236 (talk) 13:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Xx236 - Are you looking for assistance? What do you need "verified" exactly? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Tuition fees in the United Kingdom: Graduate_tax

I do not feel that my edit was in anyway political, but just pointed out the fact that collecting repayments under the current loan system and using a graduate tax both have the exact same problems; Under the current system, UK/EU Nationals (who have gone to university in the UK) abroad are legally supposed to declare their income so that SLC can send a bill/invoice for that month/years payment to pay off the loan. Under a graduate system, there would similarly (probably) be a legal requirement to declare their income to SLC (/Government if they change where it's paid to) so that the SLC can send a bill for that month/years payment to pay off the loan.

In both cases, it can be evaded relatively easily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.155.15 (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your explanation. Your edit here to Tuition fees in the United Kingdom included the statement, "the repayment system is basically a tax that just happens to have a ceiling" - which seemed to be opinionated to me. This aside, you didn't cite a reliable source with your changes. These concerns put together are why I reverted your edit. Please review the policies and guidelines I linked you to and let me know if you have any questions about them. I'll be happy to answer them if you do. Best - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

The Hydrosphere is liquid water the cryosphere is frozen water

I see that you reverted the physical geography spheres. The cryosphere describes frozen water while the hydrosphere describes liquid water. The list "atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, and geosphere" is awkward because the geosphere describes the lithosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, and atmosphere. That is, repeating two of the previous spheres in the list. My edit of "including the atmosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, biosphere, and lithosphere" is more accurate because the listed items are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.201.254.113 (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm not sure what article and what edit you're talking about - can you tell me which one so that I can take a look? Thanks - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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 Done, thanks! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:59, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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Knightrises10 - Replied. Thanks for the email :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Long-term abuse?

Is Jonmiah a Long-term abuser? AbuseLog Edit  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  23:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Guye! Thanks for the message - it's great to talk to you again! I hope you're doing well :-). At first glance, it looks to be a false positive. I need to make some adjustments to my edit filter and remove old entries and conditions that are no longer needing to be looked at - this is why I think some false positives are coming back. Thanks for the heads up; I'll keep looking into refining the filter further and making things, so stay tuned. Thanks again for the message and I wish you happy editing :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Article re-structured

Hi Oshwah, many thanks for your kind words and patience. The way you said it honor you. I did what you reccomended and re-structured the whole article so now I think is ready for your revision. You'll notice the super-neutral content only showing facts with credit references. Filmography tables are not mixed anymore making difference between stand-alone films/programmes, Series and Films/series/programmes created not as director but as Director of the channel. I don't explain any more. Simply check it with your own point of view and please tell me whatever you think. I'd prefer if you tell it to me or discuss in stead of revert things directly :-). I'm sure you'll help a lot to improve the article. Have a nice day. Enrique Nicanor (talk) 11:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Enrique Nicanor! Thanks for following up and for letting me know that you modified the article. One question: has anyone talked to you about the guidelines regarding autobiographies? Have you reviewed the behavioral guidelines regarding conflict of interest? Looking at your username, I assume that you're the person that you're writing about (which is yourself)... I just want to make sure that you understand that what you're doing is highly discouraged behavior and that your work may be highly modified, shortened, or even removed by other editors because of this. I just want to make sure that I've this expectation with you before - and if I haven't, that I do so now. I'd also highly recommend that you contact the volunteer response team and follow their instructions to have yourself verified if you're the person you're writing about (and have your username changed to something else if you're not). Knowing these guidelines and following these recommendations will save you many hours of time and frustration. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Emojis

What wikicode should I use to add emojis to signatures? —Eli355 ( 👄 talk 👄 • 📜 contribs 📜 • 🍩 logs 🍩 ) 20:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You should not. See WP:SIGIMAGE —AE (talk • contributions) 12:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - Emojis are different than images. Images are uploaded files that you use wiki links to transclude and display. Emojis are actual text characters that you'd type or paste into text just like any other letter, number, or symbol. The difference is that images are a drain on server resources and take up space due to having to load them for everyone, and take up unnecessary edit space due to the links being pasted every time you sign your signature. Emojis (if entered correctly and as text) don't do this and aren't explicitly disallowed by Wikipedia's signature policy. Even though they're not disallowed, I still don't recommend them (read my response below for more details). Just figured I'd respond here and let you know ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Eli355! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your question. Emojis aren't used by calling any "wikicode" - they're actual characters that you type or paste into text just like any other letter, number, or symbol. If you use any wikicode to link to what appears to be emoji, then you're actually linking to files or images - which isn't allowed as explained by Abelmoschus Esculentus above (per this section of the signature policy). While Wikipedia's policies on signatures doesn't explicitly mention emojis and doesn't forbid the use of them (images are different than emojis), I generally tell other users who ask me about them that I don't recommend them. Not all browsers and Operating Systems will translate and display them properly, and some won't display them at all. This can lead to unnecessary confusion by other editors that could have just been avoided by not using them at all. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you happy editing :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

How should I cite PDFs (such as this)? —Eli355 (👄👄👄👄 • 📜📜📜📜 • 🍩🍩🍩🍩) 23:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I usually just used the Cite template to do it (either as a report or whatever seems closest to what it is). See the template documentation here, as well as Wikipedia's guideline page on citing sources in-line for more information and examples - those pages should provide you with exactly what you're looking for. I also explain this more and with an example here as well. Let me know if you have any more questions about this after reading through the documentation and examples I linked you to and I'll be happy to help you further. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome here any time. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I will open an RfC about disallowing emojis in signatures :) —AE (talk • contributions) 11:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Nuisance?

Hi Oshwah, I'm posting a link to this misplaced rant here as it's more humorous than anything offensive, and thus doesn't need to be handled privately, and probably doesn't need to be redacted. It looks like just another person mistaking Wikipedia for Facebook or the company's website. I also thought you might want to leave one of your trademark understanding messages on the IP's talk page explaining that Wikipedia isn't the proper forum for this, though given the unfortunate nature of open editing and dynamic IPs, the user will probably never see the message. Thanks for whatever you deem necessary. - BilCat (talk) 20:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Now I'm tempted to respond using a fake signature like "BET (Official)" thanking the IP for their suggestions and promising to take it under advisement. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

My temptation was to write: "If you don't like what's on the channel, watch another channel." - BilCat (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

HA! Thanks funny, but don't do that :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi BilCat! Sure, I'll take a look and leave the IP user a message if the need is still warranted. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

BilCat -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks as always. - BilCat (talk) 00:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

New user on a soapbox

Hi Oshwah! When you have a moment, could you take a quick look at Hamilton, Texas? A new user doesn't want to get off the soapbox about a news story, and I'm not quite sure what to do next... Thanks! --IamNotU (talk) 03:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I’ve reworded it and removed a significant portion of the content in question. I personally don’t think it deserves a mention in the article, but for now I’ve removed contentious bits which should not remain as discussion ensues over whether to include the section. Vermont (talk) 03:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Vermont, thanks for that. I never know what to do when an editor demonstrates that they're willing to edit war, not follow BRD, and are not willing to stop and discuss on the talk page. After I revert for the second time, I'm stuck. I don't want to continue with a third revert and edit war, but I don't want to just give in and let it stand. I can't force them to discuss, but without that I can't go to dispute resolution. And I can't report them for edit warring, if they've only reinstated twice. In this particular case they've now shown up at the talk page now, so at least we can move forward... but it seems like there's a bug in the system there, that favors editors who are willing to edit war over those who aren't. --IamNotU (talk) 07:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Vermont - that's clearly not encyclopedic content per WP:NOT. And page protection is how you control that...go to RPP and request full protection for an edit war. Even if protection isn't granted, it will attract enough attention that the party pushing the content will be able to be blocked at ANEW for edit warring, especially with content as clearly unencyclopedic as this. John from Idegon (talk) 11:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Vermont, IamNotU - I removed it again. John from Idegon (talk) 11:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

John from Idegon, thank you. Vermont (talk) 12:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks John from Idegon for the support. You're right that page protection is useful for controlling an edit war. One thing I'm trying to learn from Oshwah's style is that staying open and positive and asking for discussion - especially with new users - can be just as useful, before going ahead with protection and blocks. If it works then there are less toes stepped on, and if it doesn't work, at least you tried - and they failed. Evidence of failing to communicate despite being given ample opportunity strengthens the case for blocking... --IamNotU (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

IamNotU - It makes me happy to see that you're doing your best to try and talk to the user directly about potential issues first and in a positive, civil, and understanding manner. It's really important to try and do as a first step; it helps new users to learn and understand policies and be open and receptive to feedback by others when we do this. Editors bite newcomers more often than many think they do, and this is exactly the thing that will reverse the trend. I mean, otherwise, if just tell them to stop what they're doing and in an authoritative manner, and then run to noticeboards to have them blocked before they get a chance to ask questions or discuss things, we just leave the impression that we're a bunch of uncivil editors trying to remove content and push out viewpoints. When we frustrate and bite new editors, they will think these things and it only adds to the negativity that you see in blogs and the media about how we're trying to push our views, which obviously isn't true at all. Plus, like you said: even if it doesn't work and the user ignores us and keeps on with the disruption, we now have more documentation to show when we do make a report to a noticeboard that attempts were made to talk to the user, warn them, ask them to discuss the dispute, and they were ignored ;-). I just wanted to commend you for doing this and encourage you to keep it up! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Vermont, IamNotU, John from Idegon - Thanks for working to resolve the matter with the new user. I left a good faith warning about edit warring and 3RR - hopefully this will help the user to take the recommendations and instructions given to them and discuss them matter if they feel that the removal isn't appropriate. Let me know if disruption continues and I'll be happy to take another look and step in if needed. Thanks again, everyone, for your dedication and for attempting to be civil and helpful to the user. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Deleted new wiki page

Hi Oshwah

I am hosting a wikieditathon on Ada Lovelace day tomorrow - I created a my page, or so i thought last week and made 5 edits. However I am not sure why it has been deleted and i am still in red. Please advise Thank you WikiZebraCarol WikiZebraCarol (talk) 18:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi WikiZebraCarol, it looks like Oshwah is a little busy at the moment, maybe I can help? I don't know what was on your user page, but the reason given for deleting it was "U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host: Also G11" - G11 is "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I imagine that extra scrutiny was given because it seems your account was just created and hasn't ever edited a Wikipedia article before, which is sometimes a sign of people who just want a free web page, without being part of the community. You're welcome to create your user page again, but please be sure that it doesn't contain advertising or promotion. User pages are to let other editors know something about yourself and your activities on Wikipedia, and uses outside that are normally not allowed. Please see WP:UPGOOD for more information. Hope that helps... --IamNotU (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi WikiZebraCarol! Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for leaving me a message here with your request for assistance. I'll be happy to explain Wikipedia's policies on user pages and expand on what IamNotU said above. The reason I deleted your userpage was because it contained information solely about yourself, your affiliation with the Zebra Partnership organization that you appear to be employed by, and the purpose of the organization. While your user page referenced Wikipedia regarding the organization and goals, I felt that the text read as if it was written with the purpose of advertising the organization and your position within it, and much more so than anything "Wikipedia-related". You also did not make any edits outside of your userpage, which an indication that the purpose of the text was to promote yourself and the organization - a behavior that many editors whose purpose is solely to promote are observed doing. This is why I deleted your user page under the U5 and G11 sections of the speedy deletion guidelines. Please see Wikipedia's policy on user pages (namely this section and this section) for more information regarding what is allowed on user pages and what is not. Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for the message, I welcome you to Wikipedia, encourage you to bring more people to the project to participate, and I wish you a great day. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah

Do I have to create a new page? I innocently thought that was just an account profile. I had performed some small edits and had confirmations. I’m trying encourage others to join Wikipedia especially contacts in the community that are immobile. Please advise if I need to start again. Regards WikiZebraCarol — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiZebraCarol (talk • contribs) 14:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

WikiZebraCarol! I apologize for missing your reply and question here... do you still need help? Let me know and I'll be happy to do so. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:32, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

BLP violation?

Hi

Is this a BLP violation? Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 22:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam9007! It's good to talk to you again! I hope things are going well for you and that you're having a great day. I mean, yes it is, because the user didn't cite any references per WP:BLP after mentioning two people that appear notable, but the user's message was clearly intended to troll and cause disruption, and obviously should be removed (which you did). Is it serious enough to warrant RevDel under RD2 or WP:RD3? I'd say no... it seems like silly childish trolling and nothing that would be considered a serious BLP violation compared to the libelous and very severe things we've both seen many times before ;-)... certainly not to a level of severity to warrant any kind of redaction. Let me know if I can help you with anything else and I'll be more than happy to do so. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome here any time :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey Oshwah, hope all is going well for you my friend, just a little message to thank you for your intervention in order to stop the edit war at Saudi Arabia. Take care.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wikaviani! I appreciate the message and the gratitude very much :-). You're quite welcome! Please don't hesitate to message me if I can help with anything and I'll be more than happy to do so. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome here any time. Cheers :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

OS election

Congratulations. I hope you could succeed CU next year Hhkohh (talk) 09:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Hhkohh. I appreciate it very much :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I did this edit, cheers Hhkohh (talk) 15:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

HA! I saw that. Thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:53, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, IA diff Hhkohh (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:37, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

YGM

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Trijnstel - I just responded to you :-). Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Unsure what to do next

Hi

Thanks for accepting my name request, please can you help me with what I need to do next as I am a but unsure

Thanks Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by BDP Agency (talk • contribs) 10:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi BDP Agency! Sure, I'll be happy to help you out. Just click here to send a request to have your username changed. Enter the new username you put in your unblock request (AdamMiddleton) and just state under the reason that your current username needs to be changed in order to comply with policy, and that you're being asked to do so by an administrator. That should be all you need to do! Someone will perform the rename of your account, and you'll be notified when this is done. Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

By the way, you need to have an email address added to your account (if you didn't already do so when registering) before you can file that request. So if you receive an error regarding an email address and your account, that's why. You'll just need to click here to add one. Then try filing the username change request again. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations on your oversight selection!

Congratulations for being selected to be an oversighter! I hope you can become a CheckUser next year. For now, however, you can put the OS in OShwah! ^Semi_Hypercube ✎ 11:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

SemiHypercube - HA! That made me chuckle. Thank you for the congratulations and the best wishes. Hey, I'm just happy that I was appointed for one functionary role... both would've been nice, but at least this way I only have one new change to get used to and become 100% proficient with instead of both of them. Yup, like you said: there's always next year. Thanks again ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• Congratulations! —AE (talk • contributions) 11:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Abelmoschus Esculentus! I'll use it well and responsibly, and I won't let you down. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• Congratulations Oshwah, the admin I trust the most :-) Knightrises10 talk 11:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate the kind words, Knightrises10. That means a lot to me to hear that. I'll use it to benefit the project and to keep the privacy of editors safe and out of harm (as well as remove libel and other suppressable material, of course). Thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• Once again, as I said in the IRC, Congrats Oshwah. You deserve it. <3 Here’s to hoping you get CU next year!Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 17:59, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Signatures#RfC: Should we disallow emojis in signatures?

Hi Oshwah. You may want to comment in this RfC. —AE (talk • contributions) 11:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:54, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikibreak

So I was somehow reminded about my exams, that are starting from next week, and I'm just afraid will I be able to take a Wikibreak lol. Any ideas? :D Knightrises10 talk 12:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Yes, of course! Wikipedia is not compulsory and you can take a break at any time (see WP:WIKIBREAK if you wish; there's no obligation to). There is no rush to edit things and there is no deadline. Never put Wikipedia as a priority over real life obligations; your exams and your education are much more important. When you're done with your obligations and when you feel like doing so, just come back and edit as you were doing before; no big deal. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I know that but I have become Wikipediholic. Lol :p Knightrises10 talk 12:18, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm quite one myself as well :-P. But do step away and take care of your obligations; don't let anything or anybody on Wikipedia say or imply that your activity can't adjust in order to keep life in a healthy balance. I took a wikibreak for about two years back around early 2011 and in order to keep focused on college, so I completely understand and know where you're coming from. I returned to editing after I graduated, started my first job, and after life had settled down... and I don't see where doing so has impacted me up to this day. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

And you are an admin now :-) Exams are of course my priority, and will focus completely on them . Thanks, Knightrises10 talk 12:38, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Being an admin, while great and fun and all, isn't nearly as big of a deal as most editors imagine that it is - trust me ;-). Many other admins, if you ask them, will whole-heartedly agree. You're welcome; as always, my talk page is always open to you. Stop by any time you need or want to ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

User Tarafa15

So this user is a disclosed paid editor. They have never edited articles on their conflict of interest, rather they request it either on talk page, or ask me. I have seen that whatever edits they request are properly sourced from news. They are nuetral and have no objections. So, can we allow them to edit articles by themselves? Knightrises10 talk 13:57, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Knightrises10 - The user can certainly make edits by themselves, but any article in which they have a conflict of interest with in any way should not be edited, but requested to be edited instead. This will keep the user out of hot water with the community.

Paid editing is a phenomena that has been the center of heated and difficult discussions by the community, the WMF, and how exactly to handle certain situations. The line between one extreme and the other (regarding... many things) with paid editing still remains to be debated and no sure "guideline" on how to handle those things exist. Some examples: if the user's account is solely being used to make paid contributions to Wikipedia, wouldn't every article they edit hence be considered a conflict of interest? If we suspect that a user on Wikipedia is engaging in undisclosed paid editing (which is against our TOS, how exactly do we go about proving this and without violating Wikipedia's policies on outing other editors? I've responded to and handled situations involving paid editing that even I wasn't sure of the right way to resolve it. Sorry, didn't mean to spin this off-track or anything. My point is that paid editing can be very hard to handle or assist with depending on the situation. Just be prepared for that ;-). Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok.. :-) So it means the user Should continue like that; requesting edits. Knightrises10 talk 14:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Well... it's... the safe thing for them to do, yes... but it's not required. COI is a behavioral guideline, not a policy - so editing articles where a COI exists isn't a policy violation, but it's highly discouraged behavior that the community does not like to see - especially when paid editing is involved and/or added to the mix (see this section of the paid editing policy for details). If they edit articles by themselves and where a COI exists, they'll find themselves either possibly getting into hot water with the community or that their time was ultimately wasted and spent for nothing after another editor reverts, removes, deletes, or shrinks-down their changes. What the user should probably do is ask that question for themselves at the help desk so that users (who are way better caught up and much more involved with paid editors than I am) can help answer that question for them and explain things to them directly. That's what I think the best thing to do is and in order to assure that they get the best and most accurate assistance possible. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:19, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

You got a new fan

Behold. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn - Ha. Well, what's new, right? Another fan of line... shocking lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:23, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

On your COI and atobiographical warnings

Hi Oshwah, Thanks for your useful reply. This are my responses: Indeed, I’m fully aware of the risks for Autobiographies. I decided editing the article myself because for many years it was there created by somebody with a nickname (?). It was inaccurate and non professional with private details on it I don’t liked. And yes, other contributors/users pointed out the problem before your warning. My decision to solve it was to create my own user page in a clear and honest way not hiding who I am behind any nickname. I did communicate this to the wiki administrators sending my identity card information and I received the approval. A banner with it appeared at the top of my article for sometime disappearing later after some edits from different users. The COI issue was also solved with that. And the content itself only offers facts (films) done. My only interest at the beginning of the wiki experience was to correct the one that was there and give accurate info. I’m not interested at all in offering any kind of personal info/opinion but the contrary! In stead my professional works are all out there in newspapers and internet pages although in an inaccurate mess to be improved outside of wikipedia. So that’s the only info (carefully referenced) I’d like to have, for the use/benefit of the professional historians. The good news is that I discovered, just by doing, this how interesting could be the collaboration through wikipedia for helping, correct and refine historic information. I’ll try to do that from now on for those subjects I know. As you probably imagine I’m an old professional guy and my personal stories will go to my personal media archive, memories and articles.

Question: would you recommend me to change my personal real username to do this? Personally I’m OK not hiding behind any Nickname and assuming the responsibility of what I public anywhere. As Always did. Thanking you for your clever and clear advices . Enrique Nicanor (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add a link to a contribution

Hi, can you explain how to add a link e.g. to a reference, please?

In the following page, I have a added a name which is added as reference 78 but I would like to also link the name as the other names around it (Gentle Giant and Curved Air) are already linked. Here is a link to the page in question and I have copied the relevant section of text below it. Thanks Mike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock The term "progressive rock", which appeared in the liner notes of Caravan's 1968 self-titled debut LP, came to be applied to bands that used classical music techniques to expand the styles and concepts available to rock music.[75][76] The Nice, the Moody Blues, Procol Harum and Pink Floyd all contained elements of what is now called progressive rock, but none represented as complete an example of the genre as several bands that formed soon after.[77] Almost all of the genre's major bands, including Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, ELP, Gentle Giant, Barclay James Harvest[78] and Curved Air, released their debut albums during the years 1968–1970. Most of these were folk-rock albums that gave little indication of what the band's mature sound would become, but King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) was a fully formed example of the genre.[74][nb 7] Critics assumed the album to be the logical extension and development of late 1960s proto-progressive rock exemplified by the Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Pink Floyd and the Beatles.[79] According to Macan, the album may be the most influential to progressive rock for crystallising the music of earlier "proto-progressive bands ... into a distinctive, immediately recognizable style".[74] ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike underwood (talk • contribs) 15:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mike underwood! Sure, I'll be happy to help you out with adding citations and links. When you add a reference to an article, you'll enclose them by adding <ref> to the beginning of it, and </ref> to the end of it. If done correctly, it should look like this:

Example 1
<ref>MY REFERENCE</ref>

The example above will literally add the words "MY REFERENCE" to the reference list at the bottom of the article.

If you wish to add a link to a reference, you simply do so by adding the URL and enclosing them in a single pair of brackets ("[" and "]") - this is what tells Wikipedia that what you're providing is a URL that can be clicked on. Going off of Example 1, lets change it by adding a URL. See Example 2 below:

Example 2
<ref>[https://www.example.com]</ref>

This will do the exact same thing as the first example, only a clickable link to the example.com website is now added to the reference list.

But you don't want to just add plain URL and nothing else. There's a template that lets you add the URL, author's name, publisher, date of webpage, and the date you accessed the page - and it's very easy to use. Going off of Example 2, check out Example 3 below:

Example 3
<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.example.com|publisher=NAME OF PUBLISHER (like the New York Times, USA Today, or Time Magazine)|title=TITLE OF WEBPAGE (like "Example.com article")|last=AUTHOR'S LAST NAME|first=AUTHOR'S FIRST NAME|date=DATE THE WEBPAGE WAS PUBLISHED (like January 1, 2018)|accessdate=DATE YOU ACCESSED AND VIEWED THE WEBPAGE (like October 9, 2018)}}</ref>

The example above would add a full reference to the list at the bottom of the article, and automatically include and format the information you provided. If any is missing, just leave it out and remove the entry (for example: if the author is missing, remove "|first=" and "|last=" so that it's not there at all or blank).

Wikipedia's guidelines on Citing sources will provide you with tons of additional information and helpful examples. I'd go through that page and give it a read-through. I hope my response here was helpful to you, and provided you with as simple of an explanation as possible and with good examples you'd find very useful. If you have any more questions or need additional help, let me know and I'll be happy to do so. I wish you good luck, a great rest of your day, and happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Mike underwood - Oh, I almost forgot! If you haven't gone through and completed Wikipedia's new user tutorial, I highly recommend that you do so. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be very helpful to you (including the addition of links, references, all that stuff you'll be looking for help with). Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them to go through that tutorial, so definitely do so :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

protection for Today's Featured Article

Hey, Oshwah, got a question. Your edit summary here gave me the impression there is some rule or tradition about protecting or not protecting TFA? Can you explain what we are supposed to do? My own impression has been that TFA will almost always need semi-protection for its duration. In fact I have wondered why it isn't automatic (like the automatic-by-bot move protection for TFA). What am I missing here? --MelanieN (talk) 18:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi MelanieN! I've heard different things from different admins regarding TFA. Some believe that protecting TFA for the day that it's on the front page is the right thing to do in order to prevent mass disruption to it, while others say that we shouldn't protect it (or if we do, limit the duration to be very short) due to the principle that we allow anyone to edit Wikipedia articles and we appear hypocritical when we do so. This was what I believed was the accepted "norm" of how TFA is handled, but having seen what other admins have done and said, it's obviously not a thing that's in a guideline that I'm aware of. I personally believe that protecting it is okay when vandalism is ridiculously high, but I just keep the duration short (maybe a few hours) so that the users involved will move on and that the rate of disruption will (hopefully) be lower after it expires. In my experience - it works like a charm sometimes and it doesn't lower the rate at all at other times; it just depends on many other things.

I protected the article for one day due to disruption and before I realized that it was the current TFA. After realizing this, I lowered the duration to be three hours in order to take that into account. I just try and keep disruption from occurring but keep the protection duration low... basically just find that balance between the two different sides of what I've seen others say about what they think should happen. My edit summary wasn't meant to imply that there was a rule or guideline to how to handle TFA and protection; I apologize if it confused you into thinking so. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. I hope my response was helpful and that you have a great rest of your day. It's good to talk to you, MelanieN! :-) Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:31, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, my friend. Sounds like there isn't really a consensus rule. Personally I think the extra-high traffic almost always produces more disruptive edits than constructive edits. Noting, also, that these articles have already gone through the rigorous improvement process of FA - but we think random edits by new users might improve it? If it was up to me I would automatically semi it for the day. And I wonder how laissez-faire is working. I think I might take a little survey for a week or so, and see how those articles actually fare. Any bets?

So apparently the reasoning is, a little vandalism is acceptable, on one of our most visible and highly vetted articles, as long as it isn't "ridiculously high" and is quickly reverted. After all, someone who makes an edit which is immediately reverted will nevertheless be encouraged and confirmed in their belief that anyone can edit here.(sarcasm) We want to allow everyone to edit the article, but we automatically prevent them from moving it; was moving it really that much bigger a problem than disruptively editing it? Such is the logic we operate under here. Thanks for trying to make sense out of what is clearly not very sensible. --MelanieN (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

(tps) You might find some interesting relevant context at WP:NOPRO. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) MelanieN - I absolutely agree that most edits to TFA is vandalism, trolling, and disruption. I've seen legitimate and good faith edits that either tried to improve the article or that actually fix something maybe 5% out of the total edits made to TFA while it's on the main page. I'm honestly on the fence; I completely understand both viewpoints and the reasons behind the thinking. Leaving TFA unprotected and only applying them when it's needed and with a very short duration does uphold the open editing principle (especially an article on the front page), and I see how people would think that protecting it for the entire day would be in direct conflict with that principle. Protecting TFA to stop what we know will be very high amounts of vandalism, disruption, and trolling while it's on the main page also makes sense. However, many who argue in rebuttal also state that by protecting TWA now, we're applying protection in a preventative measure which is against policy.

The protection policy states that it is to be used in a reactive measure and not in a preventative measure. However, I can tell you that there have been many situations where I've protected articles that were undergoing some persistent disruption, but not currently to the rate of disruption where you'd normally find that applying such is completely justified - but knowing that the level of disruption would soon get to that level. Many examples include BLP articles where news just broke out of sexual harassment allegations made from or against them and unsourced content and violations are being added, or a national sports athlete or team because (based on the edits being made) I know that they're currently playing in a game and that they're losing or the BLP athlete missed a kick or made the decision that ultimately lost them the game. I was protecting an article currently experiencing some disruption, but one could argue that my intuition and my decision to protect them in this situation would be in a preventative measure. Regardless, I see nothing wrong with what I did. I believe that a "preventative measure", in spirit, means that you don't apply protection when there are very little to absolutely no disruptive edits currently being made, and from completely baseless requests where someone "predicts" disruption to occur soon but that don't make sense or that won't for sure cause a flood of disruption to come rushing in.

Given all I've said above, this is why I'm not afraid to protect TFA if it's needed, but I do try to keep the duration short. I do it in order to not step on the toes of editors who have stern beliefs on either end. I just try and avoid the drama whenever I can :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I certainly wasn't criticizing you or disagreeing with your actions, Oshwah! I was just looking for information in case there was some rule I wasn't aware of. It does appear that my usual mental guidelines for protection don't apply there; if I saw a page getting vandalized more than a few times in a 24-hour period I would normally apply semi-protection without hesitation. But I can see the other viewpoint too. I just went through the history and analyzed yesterday's TFA, and while there were vandalism edits by 22 different IPs and non-autoconfirmed users, there were also 3 IPs/non-autoconfirmed users who made constructive edits. And that page was never protected at any time. At both that page and the current one some IP was repeatedly inserting pornographic pictures into the article, and if I saw that happening I would protect in a New York minute. But maybe, as you say, just for a few hours. And I certainly get the point about protection not being applied preventatively. (Apparently the bot-imposed move protection gets a waiver from that guideline.)

Thanks for the link, zzuuzz, interesting! I see that it was deprecated in 2010 with the summary, Well, this was fun to read through, though not too horrible. The general consensus here seems to be that Today's Featured Article should be treated the same as any other article and be protected as warranted by the level of vandalism. While a small number of editors thought that WP:NOPRO was still valid, the vast majority here expressed the opinion that it was likely outdated and needed to be deprecated in favor of working under the regular protection policy. --MelanieN (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

MelanieN - Oh, I know that you weren't criticizing or anything like that. You pretty much have the same questions that I do. I agree that I would have done the same to articles facing the same disruption; I've just been protecting TFAs for just a few hours since this is what I believed was usually done (up until I read past discussions and debates, of course). From there, I just felt that what I was doing was the right balance and just stuck with it. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Block Sinebot

Can you block Sinebot for a brief time; it's complicating matters at the reference desks. Home Lander (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Home Lander - That I wouldn't advise anyone doing... at least not without reviewing documentation and making sure that this is how to properly handle this bot first. Just blocking a bot without making sure of things first could actually cause more complications in other pages and areas if we were to do that. I will definitely read up on how to temporarily "put the bot to sleep" for the next time this happens. Usually there's a parameter or boolean value admins can change (like from 1 to 0) on a bot subpage to disable it, or there's a "shutdown button" that will make the appropriate edit - it depends on what the documentation says ;-). Thanks for helping with the sudden flood of harassment on those noticeboards. It was very much appreciated :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Osh; yeah I looked at the Sinebot userpage and did not find a "stop" function like so many of the bots have; it would certainly be of help there. All of its contribs at that moment were those edits only. However, like it has been blocked in error a number of times! Home Lander (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Home Lander - Oh joy! lol... I'll make sure to get an answer and know how to handle it next time. I appreciate the message and your input here - it'll improve how we handle things next time for sure :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:13, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Requested revision deletion at Colin Firth

Per CRD#2, I believe this revision should be deleted due to serious BLP violations. So could you consider deleting the revision please? TedEdwards 22:20, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi TedEdwards and thanks for the message and the report. I've redacted the edit text in question and it is no longer visible to the public. When requesting edits be RevDel'd in the future, please email them to me instead of posting them publicly here. It will reduce the Streisand effect and the chance that editors will see the revision from this page - something we want to avoid as much as possible ;-). Thanks again, and I hope you have a great rest of your day. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:23, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok sure, will do in future. Thank you and you too have a great day. TedEdwards 22:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards - You bet; always happy to help ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

IP vandalism

Hi Oshwah, I see you've recently reverted one edit by IP User:87.202.75.218. I've just reverted some others - it appears that he is making a number of small changes to articles (mainly on TV channels), e.g. unsourced, random alterations to dates, times and viewer stats in infoboxes and tables. The IP has had warnings and a block, but in my opinion this should be looked at more closely, as it seems to be a vandalism-only account. Bahudhara (talk) 23:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bahudhara - Alright, I'll keep eyes on things and take a look. You do the same, and let me know if disruption continues. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've checked out a few more and reverted them. Some of the articles are obscure - defunct TV channels in the UK, Italy and Spain, some without any references in the English WP, but better referenced in the interlanguage wikis. It's not my area of interest, and I'll have to stop as I don't have time to chase up the remaining ones at the moment. Bahudhara (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, I'm now back online. It appears that the IP may have edited a couple of weeks earlier from a different IP address, IP User:2A02:587:491D:F800:D9F7:4452:F3C0:1FF1, and both IPs edited the articles ABC News (TV channel) and ABC Kids (Australia). Both IP addresses geolocate to Thessaloniki in Greece, and the editing pattern and articles (including on many different TV stations, mainly in Europe) appear very similar. Bahudhara (talk) 13:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Just found another one, IP User:2A02:587:491D:F800:9DFA:D843:2E5B:DA7F, very similar to the previous one, but editing a day earlier. Some of these edits have already been reverted by other editors, but some have been missed due to the sneaky nature of the vandalism. I've only had time to check a few, but these are all vandalism-only edits. Bahudhara (talk) 14:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

This IP user has been hopping from a /64 range: Special:Contributions/2A02:587:491D:F800::/64. It appears that the IP editor's changes are reverted by others in at least 80% of cases. EdJohnston (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I've had another look this morning and found this additional activity, in date order:

• 2A02:587:4917:3B00:E830:1147:5487:990 (talk · contribs · count · logs · target logs · block log · lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · socks · rights · blocks · protects · deletions · moves) Thessaloniki 30 September - 1 October 2018
• 2a02:587:4917:3b00:cb8:571c:f7d5:f562 (talk · contribs · count · logs · target logs · block log · lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · socks · rights · blocks · protects · deletions · moves) Thessaloniki 2-3 October 2018
• 2a02:587:4917:3b00:6467:4e5a:4823:ca48 (talk · contribs · count · logs · target logs · block log · lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · socks · rights · blocks · protects · deletions · moves) Thessaloniki 3-4 October 2018
• 2A02:587:4917:3B00:9DE7:1A50:EE88:49C0 (talk · contribs · count · logs · target logs · block log · lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · socks · rights · blocks · protects · deletions · moves) Thessaloniki 5-6 October 2018

Some articles have been edited twice from the different IP addresses, and only the later edit may have been reverted; or unreverted edits may be obscured by later edits by others, so it's all rather messy. Bahudhara (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bahudhara - Thanks for following-up and for keeping us up-to-date with what you're finding while you dig into this matter. It looks like the IP address that edited the ABC News (TV channel) and ABC Kids (Australia) articles has been blocked. I'm pretty certain that the IP addresses you listed above are definitely from the same person - they're all within the IPv6 range 2A02:587:4917:3B00::/64. It's normal to see IPv6 networks allocate for the user and the network at the /64 CIDR range (basically, the end-user's IP will change like this. The left half will stay the same, but the right half will change to something else). Since this IP range last edited on October 6 (not recently), there isn't any action that can be taken against it until it resumes again. If you spot anonymous users currently making edits like this and the disruption is currently in progress (or even just a few hours old), definitely file a report at AIV or let one of us know and we'll be happy to take a look. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns, and I'll be happy to take a look and help. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

How is your username pronounced?

So, as I have some time before my PSAT’s start, I have decided to ask a question that I have kept forgetting to ask. Is your username pronounced

Osh-ah-wah or Osh-wah? I feel like it is the second one. But when I first joined I kept pronouncing the first way. So which one is it?Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 11:49, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I also had the same question :P By the way, I pronounce it the second way, i.e Osh-wah. Hope it's correct. Knightrises10 talk 12:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I think this calls for a very thorough WP:RFC. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Definitely. And another thing, that has been keeping me awake at night: how is your hairstyle created? Bishonen | talk 16:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

How is your hairstyle created? Electric wall socket, how else? ;) - BilCat (talk) 16:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

This pic looks even better. Knightrises10 talk 16:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

FYI - Luca Sticagnoli

I see you blocked this account in September. They have Draft:Luca Stricagnoli in their userspace which you also moved from mainspace. Since being blocked, this draft appeared from another account. Not sure if there is enough for a check user but since you handled it before thought I would give you the heads up. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi CNMall41. Thanks for letting me know about this. I'll take a look right now and see what's going on... :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

CNMall41 - Just leaving a quick follow-up here regarding this discussion. I spoke to a CheckUser who looked into the matter, and they determined that there was no connection between these two accounts. It appears that Mickmonaghan343 simply copied the content from the Draft:Luca Stricagnoli into their sandbox page. Why the user decided to submit it as their own draft? I have no idea. But that's the evidence I have and I have no reason to doubt the findings. Unless more disruption begins by Mickmonaghan343, there isn't much else that needs pursuing. Let me know if disruption from this user does start to appear, and I'll be happy to take another look. I appreciate your message and for your diligence keeping the project free from disruption and sock puppetry. It's much appreciated! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it. I figured since you knew the history you may be able to get further than I could. I simply came across the draft in AfC which led me to the old draft and so on..... Thanks again! --CNMall41 (talk) 23:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

review

can you review the speedy deletion on Kor-Lay please? I created it. I need for it to be reviewed so I can work on it again. thanks, -Huff slush7264 Chat With Me 20:33, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Huff slush7264, and thank you for leaving me a message here with your request. I took a look at the article, and it was deleted under G11 of the speedy deletion guidelines and criteria. In a nutshell: for a page to be eligible to be deleted under G11, it must be worded in a manner that represents it as a blatant advertising or promotion. This includes pages that attempt to advertise or promote a company, product, service, website, group, social media channel or creator, or even people (including yourself). Articles are supposed to be written to reflect a neutral point of view and not worded to advertise or promote anything. You're welcome to create the article and add content to it, but I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before you do anything else first. This tutorial will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you (including article creation, which is what you're asking about). Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if you have any questions after completing the entire tutorial and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

But when I get to the userpage part it does not continue on the adventure. How do I not end up with this problem? Huff slush7264 talk 23:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Home Lander - Received and replied; thank you! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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 Done, thank you! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

A specific user

Hi, Oshwah. You recently blocked BotFixerHelper for violating username policy, and you noted that this is one of many accounts by this person. As evidenced in the page history of Sebastian Sommer, this person continues to create accounts and abandon them, so it's just plain socking at this point. Can you point me to the original account so these can be blocked as sockpuppets of that master? ℯxplicit 05:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Explicit! Sure, I'll be happy to help with whatever I can. I originally ran into this account when it was created and logged in the new users log. I'll normally apply a soft block to accounts that violate Wikipedia's username policy that are not obviously created in bath faith or with the intention of causing trouble. Many times, it's easy to tell when the user chooses to create a new account due to the block, as I'll see a new account creation show up in the log and with a username that's close to the original one that I blocked. In this case, the user continued to create accounts that were not in compliance of UPOL and after soft blocking either their third or fourth account, I determined that the user had enough chances to create an account with an acceptable username, and I applied a hard block to this one so that they'd stop the account creations and actually read the policy they were repeatedly linked to. You'll be able to find those previous creation attempts by simply looking at the new user logs for that account and then backtracking, or you can simply take a look at my block log. TonyBallioni was the user who updated the block with the CheckUser block, which points to this SPI report. I think that he would be a better person to ask if you're interested in finding the root sockmaster account. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. I hope that my response was helpful, and I wish you good luck with your search :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The last checks on the IPs that were being used were from about a decade ago, so I couldn't really point you at another SPI at least from the CU details that Katie and I checked. We got all the socks that showed up in our checks this time, though, and I didn't see any other previously blocked users. The best thing going forward would be to report to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NotabilityCorrectionsNeeded. If we connect it to an earlier sockmaster later, the cases can always be merged. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

@Oshwah: The article Fred Cline had correct information deleted by Fcline. This person didn't go on the website for Chapman University. The article Fred Cline needs to be protected from vandals like that. And Fcline should be blocked for deleting correct information.Catfurball (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Catfurball I'm not an expert in this, but as far as I can see, the user just made two edits. Moreover, the edits made were not vandalism. They were good faith edits, and can be correct too, so it would have been better to discuss that with the user. Since it was not vandalism, the page probably won't be protected. The only problem I see is a possible conflict of interest since the user name Fcline seems same like Fred Cline. But I think the user can again be informed about COI, instead of getting blocked. I hope you as well as Oshwah won't mind if I replied :-) Knightrises10 talk 16:40, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Not only weren't they vandalism; they were perfectly reasonable edits. There's no basis for calling Cline retired. I've edited the article some, but it needs more work and secondary sources.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree with both Knightrises10 and Bbb23 that the edits made by Fcline were not vandalism and were very helpful and removed unreferenced content that was not in compliance with Wikipedia's biographies of living people policy. I also agree that, given the account's username, there may be a conflict of interest - however, we state in the BLP policy that unreferenced content about a living person (especially if contentious or negative in nature) should be deleted on-sight and we also specifically state that even users who have a COI or other issue or interest can remove such content if found... that's how seriously we take this policy. As far as I'm concerned, the user did exactly the right thing and I would even hold off warning the user about COI until edits are made that are more controversial first. The last thing we want to do is discourage anyone from removing BLP violations and unreferenced content like this if their edits were correct, and a COI warning might do this. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I hope

that you received a notification:-) ∯WBG^converse 19:13, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Winged Blades of Godric! I was completely confused as to what you were referring to, but then I noticed that it was you who did [[REDACTED - Oshwah] this]. Yes, this user is retired. Wasn't sure why the template was removed? What's up? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Kindly follow the very edit of mine on the same page that was revision-deleted.You will get enough clue. ∯WBG^converse 19:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric - Wait, what? Now I'm confused again... What page? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Check your email,please. ∯WBG^converse 19:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric - Okay, stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Shrine of Meher Ali Shah, Naseer-uddin-Naseer, Golra Sharif

• Shrine of Meher Ali Shah (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Naseer-uddin-Naseer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Golra Sharif (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The anon appears to change their IP every few weeks. I guess well see if they know how to rapidly switch IPAs. Thanks for the blocks. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 23:04, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jim1138! No problem; always happy to help ;-). It looks like this ISP isn't a mobile network or anything, but I have seen some ISPs in third-world, developing, and small countries where IP reservations aren't managed well or managed at all. Hence, the user's IP may just change that often and without them doing anything if network resets or restarts occur frequently there (or simply after they power-cycle their modem). Worst case scenario, we're dealing with a user who is knowledgeable in the IT / networking field and knows how to change their IP address. Either way, the range is blocked and the edit history from that range shows a very small probability of collateral damage. We'll see what happens when the block expires... keep me posted ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Seems to have returned with a couple of accounts. Three edits on each article today. No IP editing recently. Added page links. Cheers -Jim

Protection for Michael

I just wanted to let you know that I left a reply on Wikipedia:RfPP for Hurricane Michael's protection request. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 23:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires - Ah, thank you for doing that... much appreciated :-). I'll take a look and, if the request hasn't already been handled by another admin, handle the request from there. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 01:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

expanding John Hartnell

What types of sources would I need to expand This Article? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 23:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) User:Thegooduser/Sandbox 2 I added the line here. Is it good? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - The line you pointed me to in your sandbox looks fine to me at first glance. Other users may have different opinions with how they go about writing and expanding article content, but I'll share what I do and what makes sense to me.

I'd start by researching and looking for sources first before you decide to spend a significant amount of time expanding an article and writing new content. Then, after gathering information from reliable sources and looking through them, you'll know exactly what to write and expand from there. Let the sources and information you find guide how you'll write, not the other way around. Don't set unrealistic or crazy expectations for yourself either; expanding an article doesn't usually conclude with a complete 100% amazing rewrite and with everything perfect and to the level that it would pass as a GA or FA, so don't set yourself up to be disappointed or feeling like you haven't accomplished much just because your time only resulted in little changes made.

Most of my recent attempts to fix or expand an article didn't add very much to it. In fact my last edits to an article in an attempt to improve it only consisted of minor changes. I did go through each source and add what was missing from them to the article (which were 50+ of them)... did it make much of an impact? Probably not. But was it positive and did it improve the article? Definitely. Just keep that in mind :-). If you have any more questions or if you need anything else, let me know and I'll be happy to help. Best - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:32, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Should I add it then? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Sure, why not?!! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:36, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Now I need to really do my Homework, I am quite a Wikipediholic aren't I? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Only you can make that determination lol. Dude yeah, get your homework done. Don't let Wikipedia distract you from taking care of your personal life and your personal obligations! Wikipedia is not compulsory and there is no deadline, so fear not! It'll be waiting for you when you get back. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Gaslamp Killer edit reverted

I changed a fictitious and misleading subjective insult. I know William personally and know the story behind his nickname. I'm from San Diego and we were in the same drumnbass crew for years. Whoever said he "ruined club vibes" is only trying to insult him. MOre than likely stemming from false rape allegations.

I wasn't "vandalizing anything". I was setting the record straight.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjl create (talk • contribs) 05:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gjl create, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your explanation. Your edits here and here to The Gaslamp Killer appeared to completely change the sentence from stating that he got his nickname because he "ruined music vibes" (as in added an unfavorable distaste or opinion) to state that he got it "by burning down clubs" (as in lit clubs on fire and committed arson). This is how I interpreted your changes, and this is why I reverted the edits you made to the article. I apologize if I misinterpreted them to mean that you were causing disruption. That issue aside, I still feel that your changes to the article would be translated the same way by most readers, and would cause problems. There's probably a much clearer and more precise way to word the sentence to be clear and mean exactly what it's supposed to be interpreted. If you'd like help, I'll be happy to do. I'll just need a more clear understanding of exactly what that sentence is meant to say. If you could help me out by elaborating on this further, I can help come up with an improvement that would be much better. Thanks again for the message; let me know if you would like my assistance :-). Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Gnome sort

In addition to your comment to your revert Special:Diff/863607229, I'd like to point out that the reverted edition did not only make the sentence make less sense. The modified paragraph is a quotation, so removal of the part made the quote simply incorrect. --CiaPan (talk) 06:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi CiaPan! Ah, good call - thank you for pointing this out. Much appreciated :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Chaudhry Yasin Sohal

I'm surprised you fully protected page. The IP is a block-evading sock (User_talk:Son_of_Kolachi#October_2018) trying to disrupt by removing sourced material. --Saqib (talk) 06:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Saqib, and thanks for leaving me a message about this. Are there specific diffs you can show me that show clear similarities between the IP users on Chaudhry Yasin Sohal and the Son of Kolachi account you just pointed out here? If you could provide some and with explanations of the similarities you found, it would help me to look into your claims thoroughly and completely, as well as make sure that I resolve this matter. I'll do some digging on my end in the meantime and while I await your response. Thanks again. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Please see: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Liborbital/Archive - the range belongs to him. --Saqib (talk) 07:18, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Saqib - I took a look through the SPI archives and I do not see where any IP addresses within the IPv6 range that made edits to this article were reported or blocked for being connected to this particular user. Can you clarify exactly what IP address you're talking about in the SPI and where in the report archive you're seeing that shows that the range belongs to this user? I don't have enough information and from what I've been giving, I'm not finding any connection (and neither is another administrator when I asked them for a second pair of eyes). Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:36, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm talking about 45.116.232 --Saqib (talk) 07:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Saqib - Oooookayyyy, I see what you're getting at now. The 45.116.232.30 address in the SPI report is part of the IP range 45.116.232.0/24, which 45.116.232.28 (part of that range) made an edit to the article here, which is exactly the same edit that the IPv6 address made to the article about two hours earlier here. Now I see the connection that you're talking about. Stand by; I'm looking into this further.... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, Saqib. Given the information provided here, the IP address reported in the SPI, and the same edits made to the article (where one was from an IPv4 address in the same range as the IP address reported in the SPI) and in the span of less than two hours - I agree that there's enough evidence to assert at least a somewhat-confident possibility that those edits were probably made by Liborbital. Hence, I'm going to lower the page protection from full protection to semi-protection (for probably at least a week). I also saw that neither IP users attempted to start or respond to any discussions on the article's talk page after full protection was applied. I appreciate you for taking the time to message me and explain your thoughts, as well as provide the necessary evidence to support them. I also apologize for my attempt at resolving the matter. I wasn't aware that any of the IP users had been reported and possibly connected to a sock user, and had I recognized or been aware of this fact, the outcome would certainly have been different ;-). I'll go ahead and lower the protection level on the article - just give me a few minutes; I have to explain my rationale and provide diffs to this discussion so that other users and admins can understand the reason I did so. If you have any further questions or concerns, let me know and I'll be happy to help you further. Thanks again for the information ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:13, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Saqib -  Done. Protection lowered. Thanks again ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Oshwar. Also please see Chaudhry Zaheer Ud Din. --Saqib (talk) 08:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Saqib - Oh joy, more edits from this IPv4 range to look at :-P. Okay, thanks for the link. I'll do some more digging and figure out what the best course of action is. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:27, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Seaham Public School

Hi

From what I have added it should be obvious that the addition is primary source, oral history. I have many ancestors buried on the Williams River and I lived there for over 22 years myself.

Des — Preceding unsigned comment added by Des Lambley (talk • contribs) 10:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Des Lambley and thank you for leaving me a message here. Sorry, but your message here describes that your edit here is based purely on original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Things such as "I saw it", or "I live here", or "I personally know the person" - do not qualify as reliable sources within Wikipedia articles. In a brief explanation: You cannot cite yourself as a reference. Would you consider content that's written based off the personal recollection or experience of a complete stranger as reliable if you were reading an article, document, or information? How would other people go about verifying the information you added to the article if the only "source" is someone's recollection or experience and nothing else? What if, 100 years later, someone reads this article? How would they know the information is valid and true? These questions are hypothetical, but will hopefully help explain the reasoning behind the existence of this policy. All content on Wikipedia must be either attributable or directly attributed (cited) by a reliable source. This is why your edit was removed. However, if you're able to locate and cite reliable sources to support the content you're attempting to add, this will be perfectly fine and you won't run into any problems. If you have any more questions or concerns, please let me know and I'll be happy to help you further. Thanks again for your message and explanation, I hope you understand why your edit could not be accepted, and I wish you a great day and happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:13, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Why did you delete my ANI complaint?

119.205.238.243 (talk) 10:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me

Thanks for telling me, I will use the edit summary from now on, now I know how important it is to use it :) Northatlantic320 (talk) 11:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Northatlantic320! No problem :-). We were all new here at some point, and we all had to learn these things too. Don't be afraid to be bold and improve what you feel needs improving. If you do something incorrect or wrong, don't worry - someone will message you on your user talk page (just like I did moments ago) and they'll let you know and help you out. My talk page is always open to you and you're welcome to post here any time. Don't hesitate to let me know if you have questions or need anything. Keep up the excellent work and we're glad to have you here and as a member of the community. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User Northatlantic320 has moved a part of 2017–18 South Pacific cyclone season to Subtropical Cyclone Lexi which was then a redirect to the former. You have reverted the removal and Northatlantic has removed the contents again. However, Jason Rees has reverted the destination article back to a redirect. Now the Lexi is not described in neither page. Can you, please, guide both parties to some consensus to reinstate the Lexi hurricane description anywhere...? --CiaPan (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi CiaPan - It looks like Jason Rees restored the content back to 2017–18 South Pacific cyclone season with this edit - do you still see any issues or have concerns? Let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:48, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Comment The article on Subtropical Cyclone Lexi was redirected to the 2017–18 South Pacific cyclone season per the result of this AFD a couple of days ago. So the real question is why is @Northatlantic320: recreating it? As can be seen in that AFD, I would personally prefer that it gets mentioned in niether article, but the community has decided otherwise and for now I will respect it. It is also worth noting that it wasnt a hurricane per say but unofficially just a subtropical storm. Jason Rees (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Jason Rees - Good question; he could be confused. Have we talked to him directly yet? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:01, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes but not quite on the subject of unmerging Lexi, which rather took me by surprise.Jason Rees (talk) 13:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Jason Rees - I would bring the concerns about the user's recent changes to his user talk page directly and explain why his recreations and edits are disruptive and point the AFD out to him... just assume good faith and explain it to him kindly, and see what happens from there. If this doesn't stop the edits and if they continue after talking to him, let me know and I'll be happy to take a look and step in if needed. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm new here so I didn't know what AFD was all about and I never knew that that article was redirected a few weeks ago. I just thought I would the information onto a new page and add to it because it is a RARE event. After that little argument with Jason Rees a couple of days ago about creating a new page called Southeast Pacific cyclone season and he said NO I was thinking of added a little bit of Information about Lexi and Katie. Final-Fantasy-HH and I where both thinking about creating the new article until Jason Rees argued with me about it. I even said to Jason Rees at the bottom of the argument this so if he read it he would of known I was going to add to it. Northatlantic320 (talk) 14:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Northatlantic320 - I completely understand that you're new here and I don't hold good faith mistakes or changes made because you weren't aware of certain discussions or policies against you. We were all new here at one point; it was how I learned about things here, and it's how you will too... don't worry about it :-). Well... it wasn't an argument was it? It was just a discussion? Where was this discussion that took place a few days ago at? I do see that Jason Rees left you this message referencing the AFD discussion, which closed with consensus to redirect Subtropical Cyclone Lexi to 2017–18 South Pacific cyclone season, but it sounds like you weren't aware of this beforehand - no big deal. If you're talking about creating a new article about hurricane Lexi with Final-Fantasy-HH, that AFD's closure will give you a good idea as to what will most likely happen if you do (any content not in 2017–18 South Pacific cyclone season will be moved there and the article redirected). Jason Rees was actually doing you a big favor by letting you know this - else you would have probably spent countless hours writing content for a separate article, most likely duplicating work that's already been done, and with much of that time you spent ultimately being wasted. One thing to keep in mind (I'm saying this to everyone - Northatlantic320, Jason Rees, and sure... Final-Fantasy-HH too) is that we shouldn't let ourselves go too far into depth with Marine warnings, hurricane locations, anomalies, NOAA, classification, and all that other stuff ourselves. While I applaud Jason Rees for his in-depth comment on that AFD, we need to remember that notability is ultimately established and asserted not by examining that information ourselves, but by the availability of reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Remember the general notability guidelines: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. If there are still any concerns, unresolved matters, or articles or redirects still not fully fixed or resolved, you should all discuss this together in order to make sure that this is all taken care of. This will allow you to clear any confusion, ask any questions, or get help with things that aren't fully understood. Please let me know if I can help in any way, and I'll be happy to do so. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hi! What type of userboxes are not allowed. Is it fine to have a userbox about one's religious beliefs? Thanks, Knightrises10 talk 11:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Knightrises10! Have you looked through Wikipedia's galleries of userboxes? They're full of different userboxes that you can use (so you don't have to spend time creating one yourself). Userboxes about one's religious beliefs are completely fine and aren't against policy, but I don't recommend that anyone adds too much personal information about themselves in general, unless they're completely sure that they're okay with it being public. I don't want to sit here and scare anybody, but such information could be used by others to try and intentionally troll, offend, or upset you in uncivil messages and personal attacks. If you have lots of information about yourself publicly, make sure that nobody will be able to use it to try and find you outside of Wikipedia and on social media, personal websites, etc and harass you there. For example: If somebody is extremely passionate about... I dunno... race cars... outside of Wikipedia and in their personal life and gets easily offended if others insult or belittle those things, I obviously would advise that person not to have a bunch of user boxes and other personal information on their user page about how much they love race cars... you know what I mean? You just want to be careful and understand that such information could be used to troll, harass, offend, anger, and/or find you. If you do mind the risk, then have at it! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok! :-) I have added a few userboxes about my interests, country, religion, etc (lol), but I'm fine with that. Although I am careful about more personal info :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightrises10 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Knightrises10 - Cool deal ;-). Let me know if I can help you with anything else and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:43, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey

Are you on WP right now? - wolf 11:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thewolfchild - Yes sir! What's up? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Gonna send you an email. - wolf 11:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thewolfchild - That's a big 10-4; I'll check my email inbox right now ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thewolfchild - Received, handled, blocked, ...nasty. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks bro. You're the best, don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - wolf 12:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thewolfchild - Haha I appreciate that :-). Till next time - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Ramya Krishnan

Hello Osh, can you temp. protect this page please? There has been multiple instances of disruptive edits mainly to birthdate, which is sourced, by several IPs. Most geolocate to the same area and some have been disruptive at other pages too. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 12:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Eagleash -  Done. Let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Eagleash (talk) 12:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Eagleash - You bet ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Help crafting an RfC

Hi! I came upon your page because you promptly addressed some vandalism on an article I follow - thank you! It happens that I'm involved in my first somewhat sticky disagreements about Wikipedia content, and your user page friendly invitation to ask for help resonated. So here I ask for your help - perhaps you, or someone you think of, would be appropriate to help nudge us forward with finalizing the draft RfC over at Talk:Skylab mutiny. -- ke4roh (talk) 14:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi ke4roh! Sure, I'll be happy to help with I can :-). What is the issue that it involves? What is being proposed in order to resolve it? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! The RfC itself is about the content of the article. I researched in newspapers and other mostly secondary sources to learn what happened on the Skylab 4 mission with respect to overscheduling the crew and their days off, and edited the article accordingly, addressing NPOV and BLP problems. A single editor vociferously objects to this new title and approach to the content. We have agreed in principle to an RfC to settle that dispute. (S)he's also insisting on including a list/table of sources (there are about 150 we have dug up). I spent about a month making that table, and he's putting his POV in the table now. I'm trying to convince him to leave out 1) the whole table or 2) the "WP:RS" and "WP:PRIMARY" columns because 1) I don't see the point in having a table. We cite sources all over the place and 2) What is "reliable" and "primary" are subject to discussion according to the context in which they are used. I would like us to hurry along and get the RfC started. I also like the idea of a third party admin kinda babysitting the process. I'm curious if you have some wisdom about how to get un-stuck from the tangle we're in just now. -- ke4roh (talk) 17:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi ke4roh - Sounds tricky, but it'll be okay. It sounds like you've spent a crap ton of time researching sources, writing content, and doing your damn best to truly improve and expand the article. That's awesome - and I truly commend you for your dedication and your time to contributing to this project... seriously :-). My question here is: has this discussion exhausted itself and gone this far? Are we really to the point that a request for comment is what's needed to sort this out? It looks like there are very opposing viewpoints on what should happen, what direction we should take the article, what sources we should use, and how we should write the article. These are quire big things, and I'm concerned that an RFC won't resolve everything if we're at such a big phase in the article's development. That being said, I'll be happy to take a look at the discussion and guide everyone with how to untangle this complication and work from the "ground up" instead of from the "big picture" and lower. I think that this is where your problem lies. Everyone seems to want to guide the article's content and direction before we've even looked through everyone's references and determined what's reliable or not. We might be working backwards here, which won't be good for anybody. This might take a bit of time for me to look through, but I'll be happy to do so and offer my input and advice if it helps. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I like your thinking. I also spent the subsequent month preparing a reply to the RfC which addresses the various sources and their reliability, and a few other items that have been called into question. I don't think it's perfect, but I think it's not too terribly far off from what it should say, and it might serve as input to a more neutral start to discussing the various sources at play - but the point is a lot of necessary critical research has been done. I appreciate your guidance - I think we can do better than just proclaiming our points of view. I also agree that our RfC might not work very well because it's such a broad question - cart before the horse as you seem to suggest. -- ke4roh (talk) 13:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For helping new users like me and being nice to them Northatlantic320 (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Northatlantic320! Thanks for the barnstar! I appreciate it very much. Let me know if you need help with anything else in the future, and I'll be happy to help. Just keep in mind what I said: mistakes are normal and you're going to make them. I've made a butt load of mistakes in the years I've been here... derpy ones. As long as you learn from them and you take feedback to heart and with a positive attitude, you're going to do just fine here. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

• I will completely agree with this. Oshwah is really an editor who is always eager to help everyone. I have never seen a message left unreplied by him :-) Knightrises10 talk 18:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Knightrises10. I appreciate it a lot! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Light For Dream

It was also a copyvio from [1]. I was just putting it up for CSD when you deleted it. Whispering 20:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Whispering! Good catch; thank you for letting me know. After looking at the roughly translated text, it was enough for me to U5 it and I didn't bother running it for copyvio. Maybe I should have anyways... oh well :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

No subject

Oshwa It's me, Vector. I added some valuable information to the page you said my edit was not from a neutral point of view. Instead of deleting it, next time could you just reword it to a neutral point of view? All the best V(WIEWC) --Vector (who is Edgar Winter's children) (talk) 23:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Vector (who is Edgar Winter's children), and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm sorry if you felt that my edit removing the content you added to List of recurring The Mighty Boosh characters was careless and without treating you like a person. I want to assure you that this is absolutely not the case. I felt that your edit here added content that appeared to be based off of opinion and thought rather than neutral information. Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy requires that all content be worded to reflect neutrality and impartiality, and when edits add content that don't appear to be in compliance with this policy, they're generally removed and the user is notified so they they can learn and improve how they contribute. It's not to be mean or put you down - I promise!

By the way, your changes are not permanently gone. If you navigate to the article and click on the history tab, you're able to view every revision saved, as well as restore previous revisions - so fear not! Your work was not permanently erased! You can read about how this works by viewing Wikipedia's help page on page history. If you haven't gone through and completed Wikipedia's new user tutorial, there's a significant amount of important and good information that you're missing out on learning about. I highly recommend that you go through and complete this tutorial. Again, I don't want you to feel that my edit was careless and that I don't think of the person on the other end when I make these changes. This is how you'll learn, grow, and become more experienced on Wikipedia. I hope that my response was helpful, and if you have any questions, concerns, or if you need any help - please do not hesitate to message me here and I'll be happy to lend a hand. Again, I welcome you to Wikipedia and I hope you become a regular contributor and part of this community. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Request

I need to request you that please delete the revision [2] as the deletion request reason WP:RD2 as it violates a biography of a living person. Thank you. 171.50.168.170 (talk) 05:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You should email these requests to Oshwah or another admin instead of posting it here, otherwise it may be visible on the database dumps. Thank You. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

FSU Football

I tried to edit it but it's locked which I get, but Virginia is not a rival of FSU. They are both in the ACC, but a lot of teams are. Virginia has never been a rival. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:88:300:4D44:4992:DF71:59CD:B2F4 (talk) 15:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi there! If you have a edit you want to make on the protected page, you may leave a request on the talk page of that article. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:13, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

The user SharabSalam keeps deleting my contributions to the Saudi Arabia talk page

The user ::@SharabSalam: keeps deleting my posts on the Saudi Arabia talk page despite them breaking no rules. He does not like me mentioning historical, genetic and factual facts. I have not deleted a single post of his or contribution on the talk page even if I disagree with his claims and posts.

Also is it allowed to blank your talk page?--OxfordLaw (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

For talk page blanking, yes you can blank your own talk page per WP:BLANKING - "Policy does not prohibit users, whether registered or unregistered, from removing comments from their own talk pages" but with a few exceptions (e.g. you can't remove declined unblock requests while the block is in effect). -★- PlyrStar93 _{→Message me. ←} 17:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Emyvale

Hello Oshwah, thanks for adding the protections to the Emyvale article. I wonder if the recent IP additions to the article might meet the criteria for RevisionDelete, specifically "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material". The versions starting here are where the edit summaries and then article content became a personal attack. Many thanks if this is possible. Declangi (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You should email these requests to Oshwah or another admin instead of posting it here, otherwise it may be visible on the database dumps. Thank You. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Declangi! Thanks for letting me know - I'll take a look. Like Thegooduser said, you'll just want to email these requests to me in the future. This way we avoid the Streisand effect ;-). Thanks again, and I hope you have a great rest of your day. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Willy ffhd sd fndfn rgn fgfngj fgfjjfj fnffiiicccccc fgdnrreowowpwpw4 44 4 4 4 4ffff

You may wish to remove talk page access. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 19:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

block

block me for 9 days. need to read more and wikipedia is distracting to me. thank you. Huff slush7264 talk 19:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Huff slush7264! I typically don't do self-requested blocks, but there are a list of administrators who will (namely, Bishonen will if you request one). There's also a script called the "WikiBreak Enforcer" that will essentially do the same for you but without blocking you. It logs you out as soon as you try logging into your account, and does this up until the date and time that you give it. Do take care when implementing it though, as inputting a typo into the var can make it last much longer than you desire, requiring someone like me to fix it for you ;-). Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to help you. Good luck with the reading, and I wish you well. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

70.178.127.37

I am highly disappointed that you have decided to ignore the ANI thread regarding the anon user and that fact that he/she continues to vandalize articles left and right. I updated with multiple instances that the user was not here to edit constructively, pinged you on several instances, and you ignored them all. I am disappointed and dismayed that you would allow such behavior as you are a self-proclaimed "vandal fighter" as well as an admin. This user will continue to cause problems until you or one of your fellow admins decides to act. Until then, you have given him/her carte blanche to do whatever he/she wants. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:06 on October 14, 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)Hi Oshwah. It doesn't look like either of these two editors have decided to follow your suggestion and discuss things; they both seem convinced they are right and therefore appear to prefer reverting each other back and forth. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Kinda hard to discuss things with someone who refuses to discuss things in the first place and reverts them first, adds incorrect information to articles, edit wars. This isn't about me, so don't even try. I made multiple edits to that ANI thread about the anon, all ignored. The anon continues to vandalize multiple articles with incorrect information. I'm tired of playing games and being nice. I'm also tired of waiting for Oshwah to respond (hence my post above). Feel free to jump in yourself. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:15 on October 14, 2018 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer: reverting back and forth is not really a way to try and resolve this, and may actually lead to you being blocked as well. Even if the IP is not interested in discussing, starting a talk page discussion about this at Talk:WAZR is still a good idea. Doing so will not only show that you are the one interested in resolving this through discussion, but it will also allow others familiar with this type of thing to comment. You could then add a {{Please see}} to WT:WPRS or another relevant WikiProject page to try and get those WikiProjects involved as well. As long as it's you vs. the IP, the continuous reverting is going to be seen as edit warring; however, if a consensus is established in your favor, then the IP will be seen as the one being more disruptive. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: That's why I took it to ANI, how well that turned out. I'll do it, but I don't expect it to turn out any better and I fully expect to be reverting more vandalism from the anon while I'm waiting. Pessimistic, yes, but that's the way I'm feeling with this one right now. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:26 on October 14, 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I don't it will make any difference, and will probably be blanked, but.... - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:43 on October 14, 2018 (UTC)

Things at ANI didn't go the way you hoped because ANI is not really the place to try and resolve a content dispute, and administrators are not going to block anyone involved in a content dispute, unless they feel is absolutely imperative to do so. To you, the IP is a vandal, but that's not necessarily the case per WP:VAN#NOT. The IP's edits may be wrong, but I wouldn't call them vandalism. Regardless, things should be moved to the article talk page and input from others familiar with the subject matter should be sought out. Establish a consensus in you favor and then restore the previous version; that way it's not just you vs. the IP, but rather a consensus of multiple editors vs. the IP. If the talk page discussion doesn't pan out, then take things to the next level of WP:DR. This is, in my opinion, the best way to try and resolve this. The IP may decide not to join in the discussion, but they can't really go against a talk page consensus without a really strong policy-based reason for doing so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Posting on the IP's user talk like you did, might as you say end up being blanked. Instead, take the matter to Talk:WAZR and explain your position (as neutrally and precise as possible, while trying to avoid any negative comments about the IP) and see how others feel. The IP can participate in that discussion if they want, but removing legitimate comments from an article talk page is not the same as blanking a user talk page, and will certainly be seen as WP:DE. After you start the discussion, drop a {{Please see}} at WT:WPRS to see if you can get input from others experienced with the subject matter. This may help in establishing a consensus in your favor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: and @Oshwah: Well, the anon didn't immediately blank the talk page, but they reported me to AIV, but my edits were determined to be "not-vandalism". All of my changes were reverted with edit summaries that do not support valid information. WELY still uses "End of the Road Radio" as it's branding, WAZR covers the Central Shenandoah Valley per FCC documents, and WGLI covers Cook County, MN and Thunder Bay, ON with a 30dBu signal. The user can pull a "stick my head in the sand with my fingers in my ears and scream real loud" approach, but I have opened up an line of communication (twice) to no avail, went to ANI to no avail, and the problem persists. This is not me, this is clearly the anon and I would greatly appreciate some help. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:42 on October 14, 2018 (UTC)

I normally don't dignify attackers, but we will try this once with the facts:

WELY - your contentions regarding WELY were original research. You cite an outdated website and a stream. Considering your fixation on this station, the contentious paragraph without source - about programming no longer aired by the station and its supposed "eclecticism and zany shoutouts" was removed. Takes care of the entire issue.

WGLI - you cite a coverage map that only shows -70, -60, -50 and -40 "fringe" coverage. -30 dbu isn't shown, nor is it ever cited by relevant or authoritative sources or stations. Your map doesn't show it, so you can't cite it. WGLI is not a part of the Thunder Bay market nor does it serve Cook County by any standard definition of service. I have NEVER seen someone work so hard to justify such low DBU level as market coverage as you are doing here. I also edited the Thunder Bay article for the same reason. The Thunder Bay market stations are Canadian. No US station has coverage there that can be proven with your maps. What people might hear on a given day or radio is irrelevant.

WAZR - Again, you seem to be stretching the market definitions here. You seem to want to make stations appear larger than they are, or cover every area the stations might have an audience. Which isn't the point of these entries. You might just as well try to add to every station's entry that they have "listeners in the United Kingdom" because someone listens to their stream there.

The messages you left on my talk page, and messages I've seen you leave for others contain the following hyperbole and personal attacks:

"Allow me to give you the gift of information." - pretentious and implying I'm ignorant. "I've been doing this for 12 years, almost exclusively with radio station articles. I know what I'm doing." - defensive much? "Stop edit-warring" - personal attack/bad faith "Stop adding incorrect information" - just because you disagree with it doesn't make it inaccurate. "Stop blanking edits where their is sourced information" - you didn't source the things that you posted that were inaccurate. "All of this will get you blocked. You are not winning any brownie points with anyone." threats and aggression. Not looking to "win brownie points" with you.

"I'm giving you one chance to turn yourself around and play by the rules (something user's don't normally get around here). Take it, run with it, use it, become a better Wikipedian for it. Don't and well, you know what happens. The choice is yours." - first of all, users here DO get chances. It's clear from the rules mistakes and disagreements aren't reasons for bans. Secondly, you're behaving as an authority. Nobody likes a dictator. I won't be lectured by you any further.

You reported my edits as "vandalism" when they were simply facts you disagreed with, which is also a violation of the good faith principle. Disputed edits aren't vandalism.

Reading back on some of your profile and your warnings, it appears I'm not the first person who's had this issue with your attitude. This is the only response you get as entertaining you further is of no point. I stand by my edits. As you would say.. "done playing games." Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.127.37 (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@IP 70.178.127.37. WP:PING won't work since you're an IP editor, so hopefully you're watching this page. What you posted above are the kinds of things you should be discussing on the article talk page. Regardless of how right you think/feel/believe/know you are, you start a discusison about these things on the respective talk pages per WP:DR and explain your position because it's clear that Neutralhoomer's edits are not vandalism. Other editors can then join in the discussion and maybe a consensus will be established as to whose version is correct.

An administrator will not take sides in favor of one position or one editor, unless the other editor(s) are clearly advocating something that clearly against established policies or guidelines. So, basically it's up to the editors involved in this sort of disagreement (no matter how right they think they are) to seek resolution on the article talk page.

As I posted above, an administrator is not very likely to block an editor engaged in a content dispute unless the editor is really being disruptive. So, if you continue to simply just revert Neutralhomer because you think he's plain wrong, then you are most likely going be seen as the one being disruptive and thus ne the one who ends up being blocked for edit warring or disruptive editing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, let's go through these one-by-one. WELY still shows "End of the Road Radio" as their branding on their website and uses it on their BROADCAST stream (meaning it is a live stream of their FM broadcast transmission signal), so if it is outdated, WP:BURDEN would require you to show your work.

WGLI's broadcast signal doesn't stop at 40dBu. It might be weak at best, but it's there. That would be a 30dBu signal (or 20, depending on distance). Yes, stations have been heard as far away as the United Kingdom, but those are EXTREMELY rare, once-in-a-lifetime instances. These are constant instances and the Media in Thunder Bay page has a source to WGLI, which you keep removing.

With WAZR, if you actually would have read the message on your talk page you would have seen this link to a coverage map on WAZR's 60dBu or "local" signal. There is no "stretching" there, that is a source that you continue to ignore.

In fact, you continue to ignore all of these sources because they prove you wrong. Completely wrong. So, who's the dictator here? Stop playing games. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:27 on October 15, 2018 (UTC)

WELY - you're not showing your work. The sources you are using are original research. Your programming information is uncited and out of date, and yet you continue to add it. The section isn't essential to the article, so I removed it and you insist on putting it back with incorrect programming information you don't show the work for. What is your agenda?

WGLI - the question is not where the signal stops. The Wikipedia article isn't about "where are all the places someone could theoretically hear WGLI?" - the map you provided stops at the -40dbu which is considered fringe. There is no shown fringe coverage in Cook County or Thunder Bay. You have no citations that prove it is. You refer to a map which doesn't show that, then when called on it you claim radio signals travel. Of course they do. But that isn't factual information that falls within the scope of the wiki article - that's DXer and radio gear ephemera. If your map actually showed reliable coverage of Thunder Bay and Cook County, you would be correct. It doesn't show what you're saying. So who's playing games? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.127.37 (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

WELY - Prove it. Prove that it is out of date. Website, social media, broadcast live stream. They can't all be "out of date". Are they airing past programming? Posting past posts on Facebook? Is there a date on their website? The burden rests with you. You claim it is, you must prove it, not me. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:43 on October 16, 2018 (UTC)

WGLI - So, you are saying that the station's signal ends at the end of 40dBu? That is completely incorrect. I'll give you an example from your own hometown. KCMO-FM's 40dbu coverage ends outside of Topeka, but is regularly heard in the Manhattan/Junction City area per Nielsen and Eastlan ratings. So, is that incorrect? That would be the station WELL outside of their 40dBu coverage area, into a 20dBu coverage area. But, with the flatness of Kansas, it's possible and completely likely....and it happens. But is it wrong just because it's outside the coverage map? Are those people in Manhattan/Junction City suffering from hullucinations and not really listening to KCMO-FM and Nielsen and Eastland reporting something else? You be the judge. But if so, that means WGLI can be heard outside their 40dBu coverage area and be heard in Thunder Bay, ON and Cook County, MN. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:43 on October 16, 2018 (UTC)

WELY - no, the burden is not with me. The burden is on you because you seem to think that it is essential you substantiate this slogan and also programming data that isn't cited with a source. Despite your insisting I know nothing about it, I have listened to this station's stream you cite many hours - and have heard hours with only imaging stating "94.5 WELY" and hours where the Top of the Hour ID stated "You're listening to WELY Ely, the radio station at the end of the road." Removing the programming section removes the argument - you can hear what you hear, I can hear what I hear, but neither is reliable for purposes of Wikipedia. In addition, the station is an affiliate of the Minnesota Twins. The Twins do not allow WELY to rebroadcast their games on the stream, so at least part of the time, the stream is not a duplicate of the on air broadcast of the FM as you assert, which makes the stream an unreliable source of information.

WGLI - None of what you're saying is relevant to the issue at all. WGLI "can be heard" is not authoritative. No one said the "signal ends" but those who know about broadcasting know that the -30 DBU is rarely mapped or even discussed because it has no marketable use or relevance to the station's service. Certainly stations can be heard "outside" their market - you use the waffle words "possible" "likely" and "happens." None of those are authoritative. The article's point is not "where can someone possibly hear WGLI?" Even at "fringe" levels reputable sources show no coverage of this station in Cook County or Thunder Bay. Thus, the station is not part of those markets. It serves the Keeweenaw Peninsula as its area of licensed coverage. The content in the Thunder Bay Media article is even more speculative, about stations on the US side of the border that again, have no influence or proof of audience in Thunder Bay and no maps to suggest they should.

It's a neat rhetorical device you use, picking an example station in what you assume to be my market, but as you're fond of noting, radio signals travel. So do people. I've heard these stations on an actual radio. But what I don't do is turn around and feel the need to make my claims into a definition of their coverage. Anything beyond the facts is merely your opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.127.37 (talk) 01:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• Neutralhomer and IP 70.178.127.37. The disagreement you're having is not going to be resolved here. If you want to comment on each others behaviour, then do so at the currently ongoing ANI thread; if you want to comment on article content, then do so on the relevant article's talk page. Lay out the reasons why you feel your position is correct and try to establish a consensus for it. That's the only real way this disagreement is going to be resolved. The other option is to keep going back-and-forth at each other here on this article talk page, until Oshwah gets tired of the drama and boots you off it, or until one of you posts something you probably shouldn't, which leads to a talk-page-watching admin stepping in and issuing one or more blocks. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Neutralhomer, 70.178.127.37 - Please accept my apologies for the delayed response here and at the ANI discussion. I had something come up in real life, and I had to spend a few days away from Wikipedia in order to take care of some personal and family matters. I hope you understand. I added a comment in the ANI discussion for you both to read; please review it, look at the other comments left there, and take the input and advice that many have given to you both (including Marchjuly's input here). This is how your individual disputes are going to be resolved. Thanks and good luck to you both. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

No worries. Hopefully whatever it was wasn't something super serious and all is well now. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:49 on October 18, 2018 (UTC)

I'd also like to thank Marchjuly for assisting these two users while I was away. I appreciate it very much! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Owo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Owo I am not disappointed. Only on Wikipedia.Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 17:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - I'm confused... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) context: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this clpo13_(talk) 22:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Clpo13 - Oh, joy.....Thanks for the link and for letting me know. Guess I'll keep an eye on this article; I'm sure more of this disruption is bound to be added... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:33, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

TBH i am temped to replace the artical with a furrypasta. but I dont want to be banned. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 11:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC){

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Ditto the above, one from me too. Home Lander (talk) 18:29, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Received - thank you both! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

User who just edits one page

Editing of Robert_Buckland page

Hi Oshwah,

I am a bit out of my depth with this one. A user (Wanborough) who only edits information relating to the politician Robert Buckland ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Buckland ) keeps deleting properly sourced information. You gave him a warning at the weekend, but he has deleted material again. He does not provide links to support his editing (including providing sources for some text he recently added) and does not justify his editing on the talk page. Thanks. Impsfan (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've indented this section to preserve its separate title but make it a part of the above one (they were added apparently as a whole in a single edit Special:Diff/864218442). --CiaPan (talk) 06:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Impsfan. After investigating, I found evidence that the account you're mentioning here has engaged in sock puppetry. After filing an SPI report and talking to a CU, we confirmed the evidence and both accounts are now blocked. You shouldn't have any more issues with this user now ;-). Please let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to help. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Oshwah

Many thanks for that. Happy to say that is the only example of that I have come across so far. Keep up the good work!

Impsfan (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Impsfan - That's good news to hear; I'm glad that the disruption has stopped. If this changes and if you run into any more disruption like this, let me know and I'll be happy to investigate. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Oshwah how is fighting promotion and vandalism going for you A.R.M. 23:29, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi ARMcgrath - Not too bad; how are you? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

@Oshwah: doing fine fighting promoters and vandals. Nothing much. A.R.M. 00:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey revoke this idiot iser from talking on his talk page thanks A.R.M. 03:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, ARMcgrath! I'm going to hold off on revoking talk page access for now, since it appears that the user hasn't made any more responses to their user talk page. If the user does so, let me know and I'll take another look. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Why couldn't there be articles for certain games?

Articles about certain games (e.g Clash of Clans), rarely have any information about the game itself, only the legal issues, etc. Why not? Why couldn't wikipedia be like a wikia or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VittorioWangSmith (talk • contribs) 06:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @VittorioWangSmith: Wikia exists for the sort of dreck you suggest. Jimbo Wales runs ads on Wikia which is where he made his money. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is an outlet for serious editors with too much time on their hands. We cannot tolerate repugnant fans or their works. Chris Troutman (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi VittorioWangSmith! That's because of how Wikipedia works and what it is (as well as what it isn't). Wikipedia's five pillars (namely, Wikipedia's first pillar) will explain these things further. We operate as an online encyclopedia, which means that we don't allow or add something things (such as fancruft or other content) that Wikia sites would be okay with. Wikipedia's new user tutorial (which you should go through and complete if you haven't already) will give you more information about this as well. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:00, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

reverting my edit

Doña is the appropriate title and style of address for the daughter of a Spanish duke; pages for British nobility include their titles, it's only appropriate that we do so here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_(honorific) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.253.92.98 (talk) 01:42, 17 October 2018‎

Hi there! The reason I reverted your edit to Paz de la Huerta was because you didn't provide a reliable source to support that this is the person's actual name. Per Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy, any content that's likely to be challenged must be supported by a reliable source, and any content (especially if negative or contentious in nature) must be supported by a reliable source as well. Content like this that isn't is to be removed immediately and on-sight. If you have any questions, please read through the two pages I linked you to here. If you have any questions after reading through them, let me know and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Thank you for the message, I appreciate your understanding, and I wish you a great rest of your day. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

You're on

I have sent you an important email... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Acknowledged. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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Acknowledged; thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Congrats...

...on becoming on oversighter. I'm sure you'll be an asset to that team. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Beyond My Ken! Thank you for taking the time to leave me this message - I appreciate it very much. Rest assured, I will use the user rights to benefit this project, to protect the privacy of our community, and to keep editors safe. I won't let you down ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Kings Food Markets

Need your help or advice over persistent inappropriate additions to Kings Food Markets. Apparently JAMMER77777, originally operating under at least two IPs, has been adding the same trivia/uncited/derogatory paragraph at least 5 times by my count. I don't want to get to 3 reverts, and I left it late to drop a level 4 warning on the talk page. The offending text was re-added in this page. What's the policy-friendly way of dealing with this? David Brooks (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi DavidBrooks! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns and your request for help. I've removed the unreferenced and unnecessary content in question and applied temporary semi-protection to the article to prevent further disruptive edits to the article and to promote dispute resolution and discussion. If the disruption continues on the article, remove the content (so long as it does not cross into edit warring or [[WP:3RR|3RR violation) and discuss the issue with the user directly by creating a discussion on the article's talk page and then by pinging the user directly. If the user continues to revert the article despite your attempts to discuss it with them, you can report the user to AN3 if they're edit warring. Just make sure that you don't fall into that trap and edit war, either. Else you'll find yourself in just as much trouble ;-). Let me know how it goes, and please don't hesitate to message me if you need any more help and I'll be happy to do so. Good luck to you with the article content, and happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Huggle

Is Huggle as hard as it looks? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - It can be a bit daunting for users that are first using the tool, but it's not difficult to learn and get the hang of :-). The thing I always recommend to users who are considering trying out Huggle for the first time is to only use the mouse to perform reverts and carry out actions and do this until you become fully proficient with the tool, familiar with the interface, and completely used to how Huggle works. After that, you may consider using keyboard shortcuts if you feel comfortable doing so. Otherwise, if you use a shortcut key before you're fully proficient with Huggle, it will result in many mistakes being made and without you knowing that you did so. Huggle will perform that action, without asking for confirmation first (in most cases), and without giving much indication at all on the Huggle UI that it has done so. It will do exactly what you tell it to do, (usually) no questions asked. Many people who don't use Huggle with care will find that they make mistakes frequently, and they usually don't find this out until another user leaves a message and warns them about their reverts, or when users leave them angry messages and asking why their edit was reverted and a warning left for "vandalism". Repeated and continuous mistakes usually result in the user being asked to give Huggle a rest and use a different tool, or (in bad cases where the user doesn't listen and continues to use Huggle disruptively despite many warnings) having their rollback rights removed. So long as you're extremely careful as you get familiar with Huggle, you take my advice on using only the mouse for awhile, and you ask questions before you do anything or if you think something went wrong or if you think you made a mistake, you'll be completely fine. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Do you download it into the computer? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Yes. It is a program that you download, install onto your Windows, Mac, or Linux computer, and launch as an installed program or application. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Is there a way to read a Wikipedia article without seeing the pictures? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - There are different ways to accomplish this. See this guide on how to hide images from being viewed by your account if you wish to do so. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

It is because I want to read an article on Incan Mummies, and the pictures creep me out..... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - I see. The guide I provided for you above should help you with resolving that. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Do you get creeped out by the images? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Does not work :( Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - I modified your common.css file and removed the @ symbol. Does it work now? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:18, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Nope... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Did you make sure to bypass your browser's cache and fully reload the page after saving those changes to your .js and .css files? See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache for directions on how to do this. Make sure that you're following the directions specific to the browser that you're using. Let me know if this resolves the issue. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:24, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry No it did not. (I used a private window I just close it and the cache is auto cleared it did not work) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - If you've switched back to using a normal browser window, then the cache stored in that browsing session is probably still present. Try bypassing the cache using the current window you have open. Are you using the Vector skin? Note that the documentation for this script says that it's tested on the Vector skin, not any of the older skins available... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I am Using Opera Does it support it? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - The documentation doesn't say that it does. You might need to ask the script's creator (Anomie) about its compatibility with Opera. Anomie should be able to answer that question. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

TW

1. Where is the Instructions for Twinkle

2. How can I add my own templates to Twinkle? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - The page for Twinkle (including all of the options, guides, documentation, and instructions you're looking for) is located here. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Thegooduser/common.js

Can you check to see if these scripts are correct? Thank You. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - You were mostly correct... You just had one import line added to your .js file instead of your .css file; I moved that line and fixed that for you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Change to locked page.

Good evening. I recently asked you to remove information from the kink below and lock the page. The page was locked but the vandal added the information back before you locked it. The page is below.

[REDACTED - Oshwah]

Can you please remove the information after "[REDACTED - Oshwah]" under the lost of mayoral candidates. It should just be a list of names. After which please keep the page locked for 2 weeks.

Thank you for your help in removing this false and inappropriate information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:622:B17D:25D1:42E4:9837:32E2 (talk) 03:17, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for letting me know about the content still remaining on the page. They were definitely serious violation of Wikipedia's biographies of living people policy and have been removed. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Help

I need your help on making "North Shy" fit for an encyclopedia, so it doesn't get speedy deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kierangaring (talk • contribs) 04:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kierangaring, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your request for help. It appears that you've been attempting to create an article about yourself. As I said in my response on the article's talk page here: you'll want to review criteria A7 and G11 of Wikipedia's speedy deletion policy page to learn more information about why the article was tagged. I'll note that you also tried creating an article about yourself back in 2016, which was deleted under A7 of the speedy deletion policy (the same criterion that the article is tagged under now). Please also take the time to read through Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline, as it will be very beneficial for you to know and understand, since you appear to be attempting to write an article about yourself (which is highly discouraged behavior by the community). I'd also consider going through and completing Wikipedia's new user tutorial for additional guides and for good information and help with getting started here. It will help you significantly, as well as prevent you from having hours of your time wasted after spending it contributing to articles that will eventually wind up deleted or removed. If you have any more questions after reviewing the guidelines and completing the tutorial I linked you to here, please don't hesitate to let me know and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you good luck and happy editing here! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!!

  Hello, Oshwah I would like to thank everything that puts Wikipedia together, a community that unite several communitys, amazing. As a Wikipedia user I want to give back some of what I've obtained from the platform. 
  Since August of 2018 my 2 accounts were permanently blocked (Rotskiller and Jeremiysh), that doesn't matter anymore at least we need to correct something, I would apreciate youur help. But what is really important is that Wikipedia is a great meeting point for all kind of communitys which make us a small but important part of them contributing to knowledge, culture, comprehension, arts, entretainig, sports and the most important generate stability and deeper and stronger human relations wide of mind and knowledge to be able to work with all kinds of people, thoughts and situations. Than also brings reliable information to the community, and every volunteer learns and also teaches during the recopilation and processes of information. That's why I would love, If It's possible to be part or Wikipedia. I apreciate your time, and I'm here anytimetime you need anything.

Perhaps it is important to verify this. Both of my accounts (Rotskilla and Jeremiysh) are sockpuppets of FrancoLeymas. I would really apriciate some orientation. Thanks again.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RotsKiller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_FrancoLeymas EsDesierto (talk) 04:55, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi EsDesierto - I appreciate your kind message very much, but if you're trying to appeal your block, return to Wikipedia, and edit constructively - you're doing it completely the wrong way. In fact, you're currently in violation of Wikipedia's sock puppetry and blocking policies by attempting to evade your previous blocks by creating this account that you're using right now. If you're not aware of the standard offer that we typically honor with users who complete it successfully, you'll want to review this page and consider doing so. It requires that you go six months without causing any kind of disruption. This includes attempting to evade your block or create more accounts (like you did just now). Doing so will just reset your progress with completing the standard offer back to 0:00. While you forego the six months and completely refrain from disruption, you can show more positive evidence when six months has elapsed by contributing positively to another project in the meantime (most users will typically contribute to the Simple English Wikipedia) while they wait. Assuming you're interested, your time begins at day 0 now. When six months has elapsed and with absolutely no attempts to disrupt or evade your block, log onto your original user account (it appears to be FrancoLeymas) and request an unblock review citing Wikipedia's standard offer. Your request will be discussed and considered depending on how you behave over that time period. If it's found that you violated a policy here during that six month time you're claiming, no consideration will be given and any future attempts to appeal your block using the standard offer will be much harder. I hope that your message here is sincere, that you really do wish to come back and contribute positively to this project, and that you do what you need to do in order to be successful in your future appeal. I wish you well and I wish you good luck. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

EsDesierto - By the way, I have to block this account as an admitted sock puppet. When it comes time to appeal and after you've actually completed the standard offer, use your first and original account to request an unblock review. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually, looking into the block placed on your FrancoLeymas main account, it appears that you're also locked across all Wikimedia projects, so the standard offer won't apply to you. You're not eligible due to being locked (and hence banned) from all Wikimedia projects. Sorry I didn't catch this earlier when I replied here... :-/ ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Shrine of Meher Ali Shah, Naseer-uddin-Naseer, Golra Sharif

• Shrine of Meher Ali Shah (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Naseer-uddin-Naseer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Golra Sharif (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Our friend is back again. No edit summaries, communication other than this old one: on my talk page Now editing as Shah Khwaja This has taken up a lot of my time... Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 05:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jim1138. Yeeeaauppp... this is definitely the same user evading their IP and IP range blocks that are still active. I've blocked the user account indefinitely. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to help. Thanks for the message and happy editing to you! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Article : Asaram

The changes I have made have been removed. Can you please let me know where should I upload the relevant proofs so that u can validate it?

~suraj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ss73619 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ss73619, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your question. I removed your edit here to the Asaram article because you didn't include an in-line citation to your addition with a reliable source. I was also concerned that the edit may have added an opinionated or commentary-like statement that wasn't in compliance with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. So long as you locate and cite a reliable source with your edit to the article, you should be fine. Just review the policy and guideline pages I linked you to here, and they will provide you with the help and information that you need. If you still have questions after going through each page completely, let me know and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you a great rest of your day and happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:24, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

article : Asaram

Thank you so much for replying Oshwah. I wanted your help in few things during the edits. Can you let me know the necessary links required to validate them.

Eg 1. The name is incorrectly and incompletely spelled. (Court documents are available in this context) 2. The teaching philosophy is removed (which was there few years ago). Can you let me know if few audio files of his speech will work as a valid proof. 3. The criminal charges mentioned are incorrect. (copy of court documents are available) 4. "Well-known for" only pictures are available of him helping the poors and distributing stuffs. where can they be uploaded to be validated? 5. There is one controversy which is incompletely mentioned. there is another part to it. will a link to news article work as a valid source?

Lastly, my edits and suggestions are unbiased. I just came across the article and was helping Wiki to be a better place. If you feel user's suggestion are worthless, please let me know and I won't bother you :)

Thank you and have a great day ahead Ss73619 (talk) 07:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, Ss73619! Your questions and suggestions are absolutely not "worthless" at all. Don't let any nonsense like that go through your mind :-). I should start off by stating that if you find any contentious or potentially negative content on a biography of a living person (also known as a "BLP", for short) and the content isn't referenced by any sources (or if the content isn't referenced by reliable sources), please remove it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy against adding any contentious or potentially negative content to a BLP article that's unreferenced or poorly referenced. If you're having trouble locating reliable sources to support what you're trying to add, the best place to get help for this is the help desk or the reference desk. Editors who volunteer at these help pages will be able to assist you with locating specific sources or information that you're looking for. I would hold off on uploading any images to Wikipedia until you become more proficient with the various policies and guidelines first. Wikipedia has strict policies regarding copyrights, image use and licensing, and what constitutes a violation of copyright. Until you're absolutely familiar and proficient with these pages and rules, your best option is to ask the help desk about the images you want to upload. Editors will be able to verify if those images comply with licensing and copyright restrictions and help you with that. To answer your final question: Yes, links to news sites that check their research, are peer-reviewed, and seen as reliable and trustworthy - will be fine to use as a source here. If you have any more questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. You'll want to refer any specific requests for help finding sources or uploading files to the help desk or reference desk. Thanks again, and I hope you have a great day and happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

hi Oshwah. I have just made the name corrections and even provided a source too a court document. Still the edits were reverted. Also, another (possibly moderator) named SpacemanSpiff labels my suggestions as agenda and threatens me to revoke edit access. Is this how someone deserves to be treated? Its my first edit here and i am helping wiki to correct a mistake and still I am blamed. if you need, i can discuss this in a bigger forum and present my points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ss73619 (talk • contribs) 11:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ss73619. Please accept my apologies for the delay responding to your reply here. Have you taken your concerns to SpacemanSpiff directly and asked him about this on his user talk page? I'm sure that if you message SpacemanSpiff on his user talk page directly and express your concerns in a kind and respectful manner and ask for his help, he'll be be understanding given that you're new here, will assume that you mean well and that you're trying to improve the project, and will be more than willing to help you. Looking at your recent contributions, it looks like you've done so. However, I just wanted to respond with this recommendation regardless - this is what I typically tell other editors to do when they message me about being reverted by someone else and if interactions with another editor have left them confused or feeling frustrated or accused of something they didn't do. Taking those feelings and concerns to the user directly and with a simple, kind, and respectful message goes very far, and (after some discussion back-and-fourth) will easily resolve things. Please let me know if you have any more questions or if I can help you with anything else, and I'll be happy to help you. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:52, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much Oshwah fir being so courteous. I politely tried to talk to him, but he didn't reply me. Rather warned me to remove my edit access. Anyway, I haven't made any other contribution or changes since then as I felt very sad and down due to the experience. Nevermind, I will come again in future to contribute when I feel comfortable. Thank you so much for taking your time out and addressing my queries (even the silliest ones) 😊. You are awesome. Have a great day ahead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ss73619 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Ss73619 - Wait a second; don't leave the project yet! He might just not have responded to you due to being offline. I'm sure that if you wait for him to return, he'll respond and be willing to help you. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah, Till the time there are awesome people like you, it's very difficult thing for newbies like us to leave a project(or remain demotivated). Surely I will wait for SpacemanSpiff to reply. I understand he may have got offended that a newbie was possibly challenging him or not tolerating him and asking explaination. May be a bad day for him. But it's ok. ☺

Though there is another explaination given by user WBG on the article talk page here. . He has guided me with some answer. I am waiting for his new reply and clarification. Thanks a ton once again. You rock ✌ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ss73619 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Ss73619 - I appreciate your kind words, and they mean a lot to me :-). SpacemanSpiff is an administrator; when we have our Wikipedia-related conduct and administrator actions questioned by other users, we're required by policy to respond promptly and civilly to queries about them and justify them when needed. So there shouldn't be word or breath of any "offense" taken with what you're asking of him. Fear not; he'll get back to you. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to respond here with any questions or concerns and I'll be happy to help you. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I will note that the subject of the article, where Ss73619 stepped into, has been one of the most controversial figures/godman in India (read the article), in recent past and as a corollary, his article over here has been subject to extreme white-washing attempt by his followers.

That his reply to my post on the article t/p pointed to a conspiracy theory by media-houses and the central government to paint a noble subject in a bad light (viz:--..... a self-realized saint of a very high morale value who has been serving the poor's silently since 45 years. due to politically motivated situation in India, he has been framed in a fake molestation case. He is being tortured badly since 5 years. Since all these things are controlled by the govt, common man like us can not do anything.......there is propaganda being run to by media houses), good faith runs out pretty fast. ∯WBG^converse 17:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

reflist

References

Helena Bonham Carter

The IP was right, you were wrong to revert them, and wrong to give them a warning. DuncanHill (talk) 08:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi DuncanHill. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for letting me know. I've removed the warning and replaced it with an apology. I see that you restored the IP user's original edit - thank you. Please let me know if you have any questions or further concerns and I'll be happy to discuss them with you. Thanks again for the message and for the heads up; I appreciate it very much :-). Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Robert Oberst

Another one where the IP was right and you were wrong. DuncanHill (talk) 08:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

DuncanHill - I don't see where the article subject's height is pointed out in the reference cited (this URL). What did you see that I missed? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:13, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

DuncanHill - Never mind... I see it now. Thanks again :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:14, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Amends to CIM page

Hi Oshwah I am the Head of Brand at CIM so I have the right to amend our Wikipedia entry. This is the first time I've amended anything on Wikipedia so apologies if my edit summary wasn't sufficient - I will make the changes again and be more explicit in my reasoning. Thanks James — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeyDuggie (talk • contribs) 09:47, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi HeyDuggie, and thanks for leaving me a message here. No worries; we were all new here at one point and we've all done it. You just want to make sure that you add an edit summary to each edit you make and briefly describe what you changed and why. Edit summaries are listed on all users' contributions, as well as the edit history of all pages so that other editors can easily review and scrutinize each change. So long as you add an edit summary each time you make an edit or change, you'll be fine and potential confusion like this will be avoided in the future.

On a side note, I understand your claim of being the "Head of Brand" at this company. However, according to Wikipedia's policy on ownership of content, no users or people have any kind of ownership of any articles or content on Wikipedia - regardless of their "status", position, job, experience, involvement with the article subject or who the article is about, how much they've edited Wikipedia or the page in question, or other things. One exception involves copyrighted material that's added in violation of policy, which is removed upon being reported. Wikipedia is open for anyone and everyone to edit, and no users or people have any kind of exclusivity or higher "right" or "privilege" to edit any articles and content than others. The reason I'm mentioning this to you here is due to your opening statement in your message to me here, "I am the Head of Brand at CIM so I have the right to amend our Wikipedia entry". While I'm used to helping other editors (including new and novice users), and I completely understand where you're coming from and take no offense to it (after all... you're new here), other editors might if you were to leave them the same message and with that same statement, and incorrectly interpret it as being passive-aggressive or an attempt to tell them to leave the article alone. Hence, they might respond in a condescending or authoritative tone thinking that they're using an equal demeanor and attitude as you did. I would avoid making statements like that to other editors, and if you do - expect some editors to take offense and respond accordingly. It's not right for them to do this, but unfortunately this is what happens at times, and I wanted to point this out to you so that you know about it.

Also, please note that your claim of being the "Head of Brand" at this company represents a conflict of interest. If you choose to edit articles that involve this company or any other pages where you have an obvious conflict of interest with the article subject, it will draw (usually negative) attention to you by other editors and possibly the community. Editors are generally expected to avoid editing or discussing articles where they have a personal conflict of interest, and doing so is considered highly discouraged behavior and will typically result in the edits you make to those articles being reverted, removed, or deleted by other editors - so please be aware of this and expect to be questioned or asked to explain such edits by other users.

Since you're new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before you make any more edits or changes to articles. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you. Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else. Have a great rest of your day, good luck, and happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:29, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

project pages

Is there a guideline that you have seen that over-rides project pages that have comments such as:

Not all project have had the luxury of editors who know what they are doing when they create projects... JarrahTree 11:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

JarrahTree - Are we talking about those empty categories I deleted? Shoot... I obviously missed that notice. I'll restore them momentarily; stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:39, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

whoa whoa - hey not so quick... JarrahTree 11:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

JarrahTree - Regardless, I restored the category pages I removed just in case (there were only a few). I want to verify that this is for certain the right action to take. Did you see a certain category I deleted that shouldn't have been? If I'm confusing you, please accept my apologies. I just assumed that this is what you were messaging me about... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

not so straight forward - the rather imperious act of clever persons claiming project status by putting active/inactive - from limited understanding of project dynamics can render some projects legless when editing is till being done in the scope of the project. what got me interested - was I had been involved slightly with the resurrection ecoregions, and although the activity to create the status article that fit into what you deleted (and reverted) - is minimal - the option is usually open for someone to create a status article to the higher levels. However, I am not 100% sure what the other stuff is about - other project - there was the big move to destroy portals by any means - I hadnt seen the same happen for projects (yet) until I saw all those reference works pages - very odd - maybe I missed something... JarrahTree 11:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

JarrahTree - Ahhh, Okay... I understand now, and I know about the "portal destruction" discussion you're talking about, too. My deletion of the categories doesn't involve that at all. I was looking into the page creations by John Carter in response to this ANI discussion. However, I think the categories I initially deleted shouldn't have been, as they're most likely updated and generated by a template (as the notice you placed in your message here states) - so I'm glad you coincidentally saw that and left a message saying something. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

ok both ecoregions and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Reference_works are live projects. The problem with the lack of materials in the component parts of the projects is the lack of editors/editing - to provide items of the full range of the possible quality levels. A good clue is to go to the project main page. No tags of dead/smells dead, they are technically alive. some people love nothing more than checking talk pages - no interactions (however with no actual checking with editing within the scope of the project) JarrahTree 12:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

john carter issue is much more pertinent to problems of creating stubs from problematic sources - rather than the editors - but most people seem to be missing that - in a number of projects series of articles created from particular sources can be easily designated 'garbage' - but it is never as simple as that. Carter was brilliant and generous in starting a whole lot of projects and project materials in the old days, not sure why wikipedians love throwing mud and being so negative about fellow editors... JarrahTree 12:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

JarrahTree - I'm not sure why, either... I was only contributing to the ANI thread to offer assistance and I figured I'd do any due diligence to help. I'm happy that you messaged me about it; these categories didn't need deletion as I originally thought (and honestly questioned in the back of my mind as well). Okay, that's good information; thanks for letting me know. I'm going to hold off deleting any more categories until I hear more word in that ANI discussion I linked you to and checked into it more in-depth first. I appreciate the messages and the information. It was very helpful and I'm sure it prevented additional frustration from somebody else... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Oshwah. You have new messages at Jim1138's talk page.
Message added 11:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 11:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - Acknowledged; thank you for letting me know. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Potential sockpuppet

I've found an edit done by a editor who has a similar username as an indefinitely blocked user on a topic that the now blocked user edited frequently. However, as said user has only done one edit so far, there isn't much in the way of behavorial evidence, but I still suspect sockpuppetry because of the usernames. So I'm wondering what I should do now, since I've no idea. I haven't posted the usernames or page in question here, because I wasn't sure if I should email this message to you or not, so I've kept it vague for now. Thank you TedEdwards 12:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You may file a WP:SPI report. It is already an obvious sign of sock puppetry. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 12:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi TedEdwards, and thanks for the message. You can do whatever feels more comfortable and is easiest for you; you can email the information to me if you'd like, or (so long as the edits involved aren't serious violations of policy like BLP, libel, or disclosing someone's personal information) you can add the information here (just don't ping the user of course, lol), or you can file a report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations and link me to the report when you're done creating it. Let me know what you'd like to do and I'll be happy to take a look either way :-). Best - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'm just filed a report here. Should I give notification at either talk page btw? TedEdwards 12:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards - Nah, no need. An SPI report is plenty good enough ;-). I'm taking a look now... stand by. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards - That was too easy ;-). There's very little doubt that KiMaidment1996 is a sock puppet Kaimaidment18, and I've indefinitely blocked the account. See my comments and updates to the SPI report you created for exactly how I compared the two accounts and justified the block, and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again for the message and the information! Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:13, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Oshwah. Yeah, I think it was slight coincidence that the edits I gave were similar, as I just picked out their most recent edit on that article just to show they edited the same article, but anyway. So is CheckUser only used when the evidence given isn't quite conclusive? TedEdwards 13:28, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi TedEdwards! No problem; always happy to lend a hand ;-). That's one reason that a CheckUser request would be appropriate, yes; if behavioral evidence isn't to the level of confidence where a admin block is justified and where an explanation in the log or SPI report would have little probability of being questioned by others, but there's enough behavioral evidence or other evidence or information to assert that sock puppetry is probable and within a CU's discretion to justify running a check - a request for a CheckUser would be considered and endorsed by an SPI clerk. Other reasons to request a CU include no-question sock puppetry or long-term abuse, and to check for more sock puppet accounts that may have been missed or for "sleeper accounts" that the user created in order to purposefully keep idle and use later to throw administrators and patrollers off. Things like that :-). Let me know if you have any more questions or if I can help with anything else, and I'll be happy to do so. My talk page is always open to you, and you're welcome to message me here any time you need or want to. Cheers, and thanks again! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Well I'm very grateful that Guerillero decided to run a check on this. Anyone will be very sure that I am socking after reading MBlaze's observations. (brag) But I'm an honest guy :) Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 13:52, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - HA! Oh well... so long as you stick to using one account and you never violate Wikipedia's sock puppetry policy, you'll be fine and you'll have nothing to worry about. No CheckUser is going to "find anything" or "try and make you guilty"; the evidence won't exist or (like what Guerillero found when he ran that check you pointed out) nothing will come back as related, or the information won't support the accusations being made at all. They're not out to get anybody or put innocent users behind blocks; that's the last thing they want to do! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

And now I think they've edited as an IP (2a02:c7d:4403:c100:417a:e2d2:5f7c:f49b), as it's the same edit as KiMaidment1996's edit earlier, there's no edit summary, and also done on a cell phone. They also edited other pages with similar topics to Kaimaidment18's edits. The IP also edited under 2A02:C7D:4403:C100:9DB4:2BBB:5475:B0F2 a couple of days ago as well (both geolocate to same place). TedEdwards 22:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards - Yeah, you might be right. I've blocked the IP for 36 hours. If you see any more, let me know and I'll take a look. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:32, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

What's it going to take to stop this guy? Or do you reckon they will just give up eventually? TedEdwards 16:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards - It's obviously different for each case you investigate and handle. Things about the sock user, such as their overall Wikipedia experience and expertise, motivations and reasons, emotional involvement, articles involved, how much time they have on their hands, their technical skills, etc... are never the same. However, in my experience with handling cases, I would predict that this particular user will likely keep this up for awhile, but if their sock account creations are consistently blocked upon being discovered and before they have much of a chance to do anything, they'll eventually stop after awhile ;-). Their edits are to the same areas which suggest they have some kind of motivation to do what they're doing, but given the particular edits being made, whatever motivation it is doesn't seem to be too emotionally vested to them. The user also created their third account using a similar username as the first two, which tells me that their evading-and-hiding skills aren't very great. Their technical skills and experience aren't something I can fully rate and summarize yet, but I can tell you that they're not new here. The user is making edits to templates and tables, which requires proficient knowledge and experience to know and understand as well as modify properly. All-in-all, I think we're dealing with a user with proficient Wikipedia experience, average guile and technical skills, and that doesn't seem to have a high emotional vestment or motivation with their edits. let me know if you see any more sock accounts or disruption, or if you have any more questions, and I'll be happy to help. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Block please

Can you please block this jerk Sonichasballsofsteel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Says he'll stop and seek consensus, but keeps genre warring. See talk and 'tribs, they don't jive. I'll clean up after the block is done, :) Thanx, - FlightTime (open channel) 13:55, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

FlightTime - Checking... Stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

FlightTime - Okay, since responding on their user talk page here and apologizing for the past disruption, the user made this edit to The Book of Souls afterwards. However, this edit actually reverted their previous edit that they made here. Unless things change and the user continues to make more edits that change genres as before, I'm inclined to give the user the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're actually trying to make good edits and will follow the directions you gave to them. Because of this, I'm going to hold off on blocking the user for now. If this changes and the user continues to make edits as before, please let me know here and I'll take another look. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Agree, thanx. - FlightTime (open channel) 14:05, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

FlightTime - No problem ;-). Keep me posted - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Help to a new editor

You have clearly put a significant effort into your message above, in the section "Amends to CIM page", and I think you are to be congratulated on giving far more useful help to the new editor involved than most editors do. I confess that what you have done puts my own message on the editor's talk page to shame. However, I have one small suggestion on how to be even more helpful. I still remember the first time someone posted the diff of an edit to me, maybe as much as ten years ago. I was quite puzzled by it, as I didn't realise that the panel at the top represented the change made to a page in an edit. My guess is that for many new editors it would be more helpful to just post a link to the relevant version of the page, perhaps with a # to the relevant page section, rather than the diff, i.e. in this case this rather than this. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi JamesBWatson! It's good to see you again. I hope things are going well for you and that "wiki life" is being good to you :-). Thank you for the message and for the very kind words. I appreciate it very much and it means a lot to me coming from you. I also appreciate your input and for sharing your experience from when you were new, as well as your suggestion to make my responses easier for new users to read and understand. I agree, and I somewhat remember being a bit confused with diffs and how they worked when I was given one, too... I'll definitely keep your input and thoughts in mind and I'll use them going forward with future responses to new users. If I can take the time that I put into making kind, clear, and meaningful responses to help new users and make them better in some way, I'll definitely take any suggestions that are offered and apply them. Thanks again, and I hope you have a great day and happy editing. Until we speak again... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:14, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

And don't worry about whose response is better and which response puts others to shame ;-). I don't make those comparisons or judge other editors on their responses like that, and it's unfair to yourself to do so, too. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

No, it isn't unfair to myself. When I first became active on Wikipedia I was appalled by the unhelpful way that many experienced editors wrote on new editors' talk pages, and I took pride in making an effort to do better, very frequently writing out relatively long custom messages rather than posting curt templated messages. I still do that much of the time, but I have slipped into taking the easy way out much more often than I used to, and it is really helpful to myself to occasionally be reminded of the kind of standard that I believe I should aim for. Seeing an example of good practice and saying to myself "Hey, I should be doing that too" is helpful to me, and not "unfair to [my]self" at all. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

JamesBWatson - Honestly, that's the best outlook I could think of for someone to see when making such comparisons as this. You're thinking in a way that positively motivates you, so I'll retract that portion of my original small reply about fairness to yourself. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

194.66.201.10

194.66.201.10 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Could you block this school IP (for 2 weeks) which is within the same range as blocked 194.66.175.90 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Thanks. 75.155.244.52 (talk) 14:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Checking... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. I applied the block to the IP range 194.66.175.0/24 (I noticed that the user quickly changed IPs and continued causing disruption immediately after I applied the block to ‎194.66.175.90). I'm also keeping eyes on the other school IP range (194.66.200.0/22), but it appears that blocking it is unnecessary at this time as only one IP has recently made edits. I'll continue monitoring it in case that changes, though... Thanks for the message and for letting me know about the continued disruption by this school. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing Rich the Kid's Wikipedia Page

Hello, I am informing you that I am wondering why you editors keep removing the facts that I keep updating and you say it is because "the sources I am using are not reliable" - there are other things in the same section (Feud with Lil Uzi Vert) that also came from the same website I used, which was Complex. I am wondering why if the sources I used were not reliable, why the other ones from Complex were allowed to be in the article. I feel if you have to remove what I updated, you might as well remove the entire entry on Rich the Kid's Wikipedia page called "Feud with Lil Uzi Vert". I don't mean to sound mean, but I feel like I am not allowed to update anything on Wikipedia when everyone else is. By this I mean what everyone else has already contributed to the section "Feud with Lil Uzi Vert" on Rich The Kid's Wikipedia page was allowed and my content was not - - some of their sources came from the same website as my sources.

Thank You for reading this message — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxxtentacionskimasktheslumpgod (talk • contribs) 15:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Xxxtentacionskimasktheslumpgod, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns. If there's other content on Rich the Kid that's referencing the same website or webpage as a source and isn't citing other sources as well, then this is something that I need to look into and remove. You're absolutely and completely right; if the references you supplied with your edit are being questioned or aren't being considered as reliable and were removed from the article as a result, then the other content you're referring to (by principle) should also not be allowed if the only sources cited are to the same exact references and websites. It's not only the practical thing to do, it's the fair thing to do. What content were you referring to exactly that references and cites the same sources as the content you added and cited? Can you point out where it is exactly so I can take a look? Thanks again for the message, and I completely understand your concerns and will look into the matter. Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns, and I'll be happy to discuss them with you and help you further. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Looking at the article and glancing through the sources, I still question the reliability of billboard.com, but at least the other edits are referencing news pages from there, not simply a page where a video is hosted. Aside from the references being questionable, I also agree with Jim1138 and the edit summary left by Larry Hockett (the user who last reverted your edit to Rich the Kid here) - I don't think that the content describes an event that's particularly encyclopedic or necessary for an encyclopedia. Again, I could be wrong and you're welcome to discuss this on the article's talk page Talk:Rich the Kid as I said before (and you should if you disagree), but these are my thoughts. I'll look further into the references by billboard.com and whether or not we consider this site reliable; I'm not 100% certain, but I'm also questioning it given what I've seen from there... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

The resources used from Complex on Rich The Kid's Wikipedia page (not by me, by previous editors) include https://www.complex.com/music/2018/04/rich-the-kid-has-more-to-say-about-lil-uzi-vert and https://www.complex.com/music/2018/03/rich-the-kid-doesnt-think-lil-uzi-vert-will-respond-to-dead-friends and the events I described were the most important parts of what happened between Lil Uzi Vert and Rich The Kid and if you do not think that is necessary to include in an encyclopedia, then you may as well delete the whole section "Feud with Lil Uzi Vert" on Rich the Kid's Wikipedia page. Because like I said, what I was trying to add to the article was the most important part of the feud by far, far more important than https://www.complex.com/music/2018/04/rich-the-kid-has-more-to-say-about-lil-uzi-vert and https://www.complex.com/music/2018/03/rich-the-kid-doesnt-think-lil-uzi-vert-will-respond-to-dead-friends — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxxtentacionskimasktheslumpgod (talk • contribs) 17:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Bad block

John at LifeIsMusicEntertainment I can't see why this user is blocked ? The username is not a UPOL vio, in fact it is quite proper and I do not see the promotional edits. Just thought I'd poke you on this. The Admin who blocked the user is on a self-block. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

FlightTime - I agree that the username isn't a violation of UPOL, but it previously was. The account was blocked and subsequently renamed afterwards (see log in diff, global rename log). I'll go ahead and unblock the account now that the username is appropriate. Thanks for the heads up! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks again! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:06, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Sorry for the bold pokes, guess I'm a little on edge today :P - FlightTime (open channel) 17:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

FlightTime - No problem ;-). It actually took me a bit of digging to figure out what the deal was; I didn't see it at first myself. Please don't hesitate to let me know you need my help with anything else or if I need to take a look at anything and I'll be happy to lend a hand. I'd much rather you mention something that seems wrong or incorrect to you for it to wind up being fine, than to have you say nothing at all and have something that needs to be fixed get overlooked and ignored. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:13, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I left a comment on the user's talk page. Username was only part of the problem. Widr (talk) 17:19, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Widr! I saw the sandbox page that was G11'd, but thought it was best to give the user the benefit of the doubt, unblock them, and leave a message on their user talk page about it. Unfortunately, I got sidetracked and didn't leave the message that I was planning to write to the user. Thank you for doing this; I appreciate it a lot. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:26, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Edit summary

No fair! Why don't I have a declone button? Is it one of Writ Keeper's fancy scripts? --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:28, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Ponyo - HA! I saw that typo in the edit summary juuuuuust as my finger was halfway-down on the 'Enter' key, and it was too late... ;-) Also, maybe it is a script and I'm just saying that it was an accident to keep it secret... :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Mouse for Cats

hi, i am new to wiki, but forced by youtube to create wikipage for my app ... i can see there are ios apps on wiki so made page similar to published one. do i have to improve it or do something else? i am bit confused by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest what is conflict of interest in my case?? that i need to create wiki page about product, or that youtube require wiki record to list app in their youtube gamming section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseforcats (talk • contribs) 23:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mouseforcats, and welcome to Wikipedia. To allow me to help you as best as I can, I have a few questions: When you say that you were "forced by youtube to create wikipage for my app", what do you mean exactly when you say that YouTube forced you to do this? Where at? Can you provide me with the URL to the YouTube page? Something seems off about this and I want to make sure that nobody is attempting to scam, defraud, or give out incorrect information to others there. Conflict of interest in this case would apply to anything that you have a personal relationship with that would compromise your ability to edit articles under that particular topic or subject in a completely neutral way. One example would be this app that you're talking about - that looks to be something you have a conflict of interest with. If you could elaborate more on what YouTube is telling you to do, I would appreciate it and I'll be able to help you and point you in the correct direction here. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

hi, from the google help and docs i assumed that they indexing games from wiki and or scheme.org record from web. official web should be on wiki... sounded like magic loop to me.. anyway now i see that you marked my userpage draft because of my app page. so it is clear to me. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseforcats (talk • contribs) 00:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mouseforcats, and thanks for responding back to me here. Google does index pages from Wikipedia, but only pages that are located in certain namespaces. For example: pages located within the draft space (draft articles), and pages located within the user space (user and user talk pages) are not indexed by Google and won't appear in any searches made there. Pages located in the mainspace (articles) are indexed by Google (typically after a few days pass since its creation - up to a week) and will appear in searches made there. Most pages located outside of the article space aren't indexed by Google because it's either unnecessary and unneeded (such as the template space), or done purposely to avoid the publishing of advertising or promotion, or pages that violate Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Your draft is still there (it's located at Draft:Mouse for Cats); it was just declined from being accepted and published as a live article. There are things that you'll need to resolve first before it will be accepted. The new page reviewer will explain those things in their decline responses. If you have any more questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for responding and for elaborating further on how you found the information you read - it was very helpful. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Regarding recent rejection of edit to page,' Whale falls'

I recently made an addition to an article concerning Whale Falls, specifically adding information concerning the local ecosystems that are formed as a result of competitive non-symbiotic relationships. This knowledge is based off of my many years studying and researching the field, and I currently am a professor of marine biology at the wonderful school known UC Berkeley. This is relatively common knowledge among those who study this area of science, and noticed that the article was missing information on it. Thus there have been no specific research papers performed on it as we take it as a given, and I am unable to provide a specific source for it. Thanks for the understanding.Turc534 (talk) 01:44, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Turc534: Personal knowledge is not verifiable, either by an editor or one of our readers and therefore not a citable source, even if you're an expert. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

So how would you recommend resolving this issue?Turc534 (talk) 01:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

As I stated earlier, due to the nature of the edit, it cannot be resolved via common place tactics such as a research paper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turc534 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Turc534: You will have to produce a third party reliable source or the information will not be accepted. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:58, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Turc534, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your explanation and response. Because such information and content isn't common knowledge to the average reader, you need to add citations to reliable sources to support your changes. All content on Wikipedia must be either attributable or directly attributed (cited) by a reliable source. Content that's either outside of common knowledge for the average reader, includes data, or is likely to be challenged by other editors - all need to be supported with reliable sources. This assures that all content is verifiable for legitimacy and accuracy, is true and accurate as best as possible, and can be scrutinized and reviewed by those who read it. Since you indicate that you don't have any references to support this content, you'll need to locate one before you can add it. Please also note that any references cited cannot be based on your own experience, relationships, and research per Wikipedia's policy that disallows adding original research to articles. In a nutshell: this means that you cannot "cite yourself" as a reference, nor can you cite any research you've performed, or any sources from your website, books, or text. Once you locate and cite reliable sources with the content you wish to add, you'll be just fine and you won't run into any issues. Since you're new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before you make any more edits or changes to articles. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you. Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message, I welcome you to Wikipedia, and I wish you happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Softblocked user spamming

See [3]. Hardblock and/or revoke TPA? Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Galobtter. It's good to talk to you again. I hope things are well for you. Oh joy....... alright, I'll take care of it. Thanks for the heads up ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Galobtter -  Done. I've redacted the revisions with COPVIO, converted the user's block to a hard block, and revoked talk page access due to spamming with it while blocked. Let me know if you run into any more of these users and issues and I'll be happy to take care of them. Thanks again for letting me know. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Since you've revoked TPA, shouldn't you let them know of UTRS? And thanks! And well, I'm not well, because I am struck with a cold. But what better to do then than some light patrolling of the spam tags? :) Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Galobtter - Good call. I had the template ready to save, and I got sidetracked and forgot to press the button.  Fixed ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hi Oshwah! I saw that you had blocked Willy_ffhd_sd_fndfn_rgn_fgfngj_fgfjjfj_fnffiiicccccc_fgdnrreowowpwpw4_44_4_4_4_4ffff for sock-puppetry, which is now blocked for long-term abuse. I thought you might want to know that a new account, Willy ffhd sd fndfn rgn fgfngj fgfjjfj fnffiiicccccc fgdnrreowowpwpw4 44 4 4 4 4fff, has been created. I think the edit summaries and username make it absolutely clear that they're the same person. Could you indef them? I don't know who this LTA is, which is why I'm not reporting this at SPI, and their edits aren't necessarily vandalism so AIV wouldn't be the best place, so I just thought I would contact someone who is more knowledgeable about this.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 12:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 -  Done. Let me know if you run into any more LTA or disruptive users and I'll be happy to take care of them ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for that, as well as all you do here to stop vandals and LTAs!--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 12:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 - No problem; always happy to lend a hand and put a kibosh to disruption ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

OpsRamp

Greetings! I was doing new page patrol and came upon this page. It's been to AfD before, which ended in it's move to a draft. The user that was working on the draft moved it back to main today. Honestly, the new references are just passing mentions in my opinion. I'm not sure how to proceed here so I thought I'd ask you to take a look at it. Thanks. Whispering 13:55, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Whispering! It's good to talk to you again and I hope you're doing well. The user isn't violating any policies by moving the page to the mainspace like that. He's a confirmed account and therefore able to create and move pages. However, now that it's an article in the mainspace - that means that it's subject to the same scrutiny and deletion rationales as any other new article that's created, and if it meets a criteria for speedy deletion of if it lacks notability, it should be tagged or nominated for AFD.

The last AFD closed as "draftify", which isn't an officially accepted closing action in AFD or in response to a CSD last I read. However, many editors and admins (myself included) don't mind if articles that have a reasonable chance of being kept if the creator expanded it more aren't deleted but instead moved to the draft space to be worked on. It avoids biting new users who spent hours of their time trying to write and expand it, and won't drive them to leave Wikipedia in anger and frustration. That's basically what you're seeing when you look at the AFD discussion here. One big drawback to doing this (and one I acknowledge is a "double-edged sword" and doesn't have a great solution sometimes) is when editors wrongfully decide to "draftify" articles that clearly don't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines and should be deleted. Now you're just giving the article creator false hope by allowing them to continue working on an article that has absolutely no chance of being accepted and kept, and you're only delaying what will eventually and ultimately happen... that's not fair to the user either, and could be argued is even worse than deleting it in the first place. However, hopefully by then (when such a thing happens) the creator will be a bit more proficient with Wikipedia and won't be at as much risk of leaving by the time it does happen. Do you see where this whole thing starts to become very complicated and for wrong and unnecessary reasons? Yup....

Anyways, I apologize if my response here turned into a big ramble... the thing to do here is treat it like any other new article and assess its significance and notability, and to tag it for CSD, PROD, or AFD if the article meets the criteria or if such a thing is warranted given the article subject's notability. I'll be happy to take a look if you'd like me to; that's not a problem at all. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Whelp, someone put it up for AfD again I guess I was all worried for nothing. Whispering 19:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Whispering - Nah, you're fine... Your request for help here was legit and it's all good ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Terry nutkins

===== == == Sorry, I was misinformed and it is only his old pub friends that called him that.

Have great day and I love your hair xxx ==

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What would you suggest we do?

If the page cant be protected, what would you suggest we do? The user is not listening even though someone has tried to talk some sense into him. I warned him for edit warring as it appears he is doing so on two articles right now.Figfires^{Send me a message!} 16:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Figfires. Ohhh... I thought you were referring to the article, not the redirect. Please accept my apologies for missing that detail... it's been a long day for me :-). That's why I responded with that decline... and to be honest, it left me completely puzzled and confused. Let me take a look; stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires - I've fully protected the redirect for three days and updated your request at RFPP and replaced my decline with the action taken. If things continue after the protection expires, file another report and myself (or another administrator) will be happy to take a look. My apologies again for the confusion; like I said, it's been a long day... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Could you please delete [4]? He tried to recreate the article to bypass the full protection. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 18:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Skylab mutiny guidance

Hi! Following on from User:Oshwah/TalkPageArchives/2018-10#Help_crafting_an_RfC, I'd like to formally invite you to wade in at Talk:Skylab_mutiny#Discussion_on_the_draft_RfC. I look forward to your mediating influence and wisdom. -- ke4roh (talk) 18:41, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi ke4roh! Sure, I'll take a look and see what I can contribute here. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Best Barnstar
	for being a editor and administrator Northatlantic320 (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Kavik Article

By any chance could you help add info to the Kavik river camp article. :)

also thanks for unblocking me I really appreciate it. Have a good rest of your day :-)

Thanks for the Help. Northatlantic320 (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Northatlantic320 - Hey, no problem; it's part of what I do here ;-). Sure, let me finish up some things and I'll take a look at it. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	I really enjoyed the fact that you even look upon banned users as ones that can be reformed. It was a brave decision that you made, and you deserve a barnstar. Hdjensofjfnen (If you want to trout me, go ahead!) 23:52, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hdjensofjfnen! Thanks for taking the time to leave me this barnstar and for your kind words. I see the good underneath the worst of us ;-). In this case, the user appeared to be editing in good faith but were involved in a content dispute over a hurricane article. They suddenly snapped in the frustration and started leaving messages and talk page discussions everywhere with "BLOCK ME FOREVER". After I blocked the user indefinitely for being disruptive, he left an unblock request with what appeared to be a sincere apology and explanation that they let themselves get frustrated and take it out on the project. I felt that it was understandable and I gave the user the benefit of the doubt; sometimes people get angry like that and I'll be more than understanding to them if they show the same understanding - so I unblocked the user. It's too bad and it's quite disappointing sometimes; I feel like many of my attempts to give troubled users and editors who had a rough start on Wikipedia help and a path back to making good contributions again wind up being either sock puppet accounts or trolls. Regardless, it won't change how I help and respond to others like this, and I'm hopeful that there are at least a small number of editors who are still here and making good contributions because of what I did for them...... :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Ping

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BilCat - Handled; thank you for reporting this to me :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:14, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for taking care of it. - BilCat (talk) 01:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

BilCat - You bet ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Script

There still not working..... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Which scripts aren't working exactly? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

To hide all pictures till I click on 'em. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:26, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Did you talk to the creator of the script as I suggested in my previous response to you? What did the user say back? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

The user did not know. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

BTW check your inbox. Thanks :) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Okay, will do. You could try switching to the monobook theme by choosing it in your user preferences. If the script works after you change your theme, then we'll know that the script was only designed to work with monobook and not the default theme (vector). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I did it made it look like the beta Wikipedia... Can't find anything... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

It looks like we've moved this discussion to another one you created below, so I'll respond there... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Weirdness

Hi,

You're an expert, so I was wondering if you could look into the weirdness that's going on at User:Doraemon (2016 anime), Draft:Doraemon (2016 anime), Doraemon (2016 anime),and User:Vogiahuy2001? I think it's related to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Vogiahuy2001 Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 03:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam9007 - Sure, I'll do some digging and see what I can find. Thanks for the message and I hope you have a great day. Until we meet again ;-)... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:24, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I think could be hoaxes, but the user has been disruptive by removing deletion tags and whatnot. I nominated some of them for deletion, but one was just redirected. The AfD tag is still on the redirect. Adam9007 (talk) 03:26, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Boom; confirmed sock puppet. All taken care of ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Croatian Air Force

User FOX 52 It does not want to put the true condition of Croatian airplanes and helicopters, we put evidence out of the newspaper, and here's the proof https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrvatsko_ratno_zrakoplovstvo_i_protuzra%C4%8Dna_obrana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.34.251 (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for leaving me a message here! The reason I removed your edit here to Croatian Air Force and Air Defence was because you removed content and without explaining why using the edit summary. In the future, you'll want to add an edit summary with each change you make. You just need to briefly explain what you changed and why so that other editors will understand your edits and why they were made when they review them. So long as you do this with each of your edits, you'll be just fine and you'll be much less likely to run into any issues or confusion (such as what happened here). Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you a great day and happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

We've changed the way it was in the latest "Order of Units and Link to Partisan Air Force section" that's fine, but what fox 52 says is that propeller pc-9 is eletronic warfare is nonsense. I'm not going to edit it anymore . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.34.251 (talk) 18:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Ask the user fox 52 how the airplane propeller pc-9 could be an electronic warfare he does not understand in the aircraft and arranges the page.Bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.34.251 (talk) 18:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC) And we put that two uh-60s ordered, it also wiped out.Bye https://www.thedubrovniktimes.com/news/croatia/item/5437-usa-donates-two-black-hawk-helicopters-to-croatia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.34.251 (talk) 18:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hurricane Leslie

Appears autoconfirmed users are now vandalizing Hurricane Leslie (2018) since it was semi protected.... sigh... Figfires^{Send me a message!} 19:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Figfires - Oh joy..... alright, I'm taking a look right now. Stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires - I left the user a warning on their user talk page and asked them to stop adding vandalism and nonsense to the article. If you see that it continues, please let me know and I'll be happy to handle it appropriately and make sure that it stops either way ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Page was moved earlier for no reason as well, but it appears that user has since been blocked. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 19:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires - That's good to hear; at least disruption is being taken care of and appropriate actions taken when needed. Was the article moved back to the correct title? I'm not sure what they renamed it to, but the current title seems to be legitimate to me - figured I'd ask you anyways just in case... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the current title is correct. The person moved it to The Loud House 2 for no apparent reason. Isn't User_talk:Vykh supposed to have a block notice on it? Figfires^{Send me a message!} 19:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires - Okay, good. Thanks for confirming that it's correct. No, that user doesn't need a block notice.... haha. They're a banned editor whose engaging in long-term abuse to the project. They already know about Wikipedia's blocking policy and they're very familiar with it... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser

How can I change the "g" in my signature so it looks better, right now the bottom of the g touches the top. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:13, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Try using a different font maybe. The guide on signatures should have loads of helpful information on how to customize it ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Any advice on the script from yesterday?? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - What browser are you using to edit Wikipedia? Is Java enabled on it and up-to-date? Are any of your other scripts working correctly? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Opera Browser Latest Update Java enabled. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Have you tried using a different browser to see if the scripts work with one of them? I'd recommend trying with either Firefox or Chrome. Are you currently using the Vector skin? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:42, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Yea using the Vector I believe. Gotta really do my Homework, then I will try it out. I really got to do my homework.... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - I just tried implementing the hide images script within my .js and .css space and it didn't work for me either. I went through the developer console interface built-in with my browser and did some debugging and digging, and I found that a lot of .css, wrapper, and stylesheet errors were being thrown and coming back. I haven't looked into the source .js or .css files too in-depth, but I'm starting to wonder if this script hasn't become incompatible due to the number of major changes that have been implemented to the project's code. It's very probable that these updates and changes have caused the script to no longer work... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:21, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Shit that means I am going to have to see those creepy images when I read the articles.... Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Oh, that's not true... There are lots of other ways that you can disable images from being displayed - we just don't have a good option within Wikipedia right now that will do so. Have you checked your browser settings to see if you can't temporarily disable images from loading? I know that Firefox has this option. With the vast number of browser add-ons and options available to you, I have no doubt that you wouldn't be able to find and enable an add-on that would allow you to quickly toggle image loading on and off. You just have to get creative with how to handle this and where to look. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Would you mind looking through an article for me and tell me if there are any pictures of mummies in it? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

[[ Oshwah Picture |100px]]	The Offical and very Legit and Cool and Awesome Oshwah Award of 2018 A.D. (The one and Only)
	Thanks for helping me at Wikipedia! If it weren't for you I would have not been here today! Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Good lord! That's one hell of a custom award right there! Thanks for the award and for the kind words - they mean a lot. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Typhoon Maggie

Could you please move Draft:Typhoon_Maggie to Typhoon Maggie? The draft reviewer did not realize that storm names are reused in the event that they are not retired. As this is the only Maggie at typhoon intensity, it would not get the year in the name. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 20:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Figfires - Sure,  Done. Let me know if I can do anything else for you, and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

About ANI

I pinged you from my Talk Page under the message you left me on 9 Oct 2018. You haven't answered so I didn't know if you missed it or what. Am I too late in responding - have I missed the boat? I'd like to know something. Thanks in advance. __173.235.84.234 (talk) 20:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Not too late at all. The ANI discussion has since closed and I summarized it on your user talk page for you. I also added a reply to your user talk page in response to this message. If you have further questions or concerns, please let me know and I'll be happy to help you. Best - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I decided to register a Username account to continue this discussion. Due to some construction work I don’t have access to the Internet at home, and I have to go somewhere to do this. (Which needlessly adds still more aggravation to this whole mess.) So I’ll be using this special account just for this to avoid any potential confusion wrought by a different IP address.

To avoid needlessly clogging your already bloated Talk Page I guess we’ll continue this on my Talk Page. Please watch it as I’ll try to have something there by Monday 22 Oct. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to do quick responses, so anything you write will require a response the next day. C’est la vie.

I almost hate to ask this of you, since you seem to be extremely busy. (When exactly do you sleep?) It may also be good if you let User:Basilosauridae know about this. I don’t think she appreciates anything I have to say so I just as soon not provoke her unnecessarily. Sincerely, __Plato's Stepchild (talk) 20:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Plato's Stepchild! Awesome! I'm glad you decided to create an account and use it! Editing with an account instead of anonymously with IP addresses is much more easier and convenient in that aspect, but using an account comes with a lot of good and useful benefits as well. One nice benefit is the ability to edit from locations and even if the network or IP address is blocked. Anonymous users won't be able to edit, but you'll be able to by simply logging in ;-). There are some IP blocks that even disallow logged-in users from editing, but those aren't common and they're only applied in cases of extreme or severe abuse. If you haven't done this yet, you want to add and verify an email address to your account. I can't even to begin to tell you how many times I've told other editors to do this exact same thing and for them to blow it off and not do so, and they wind up losing their password and find themselves absolutely livid because they're completely locked out of it and with no way to get it back... lol.

Don't worry about my talk page getting "clogged" ;-). It's been around for a long time and it's been through hell and back (as you can imagine) - it can handle ;-). That being said: if you really want to move the discussion over to there, I don't mind - just let me know. I'm sorry to hear about your frustrating internet situation at home, and I hope it gets resolved! That would be beyond frustrating if I (for some reason) didn't or couldn't have internet access in my home for a long period of time. Please don't force yourself to a due date or any sort of timeline; Wikipedia does not have a deadline and you can take all the time you need to get what you need done. I'll ping Basilosauridae here in my response, so that she can read through it and be aware of what your plans are. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Otherwise, I'll await your follow-up when you're ready for me to take a look at things. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

YGM

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Received and replied. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Please remove Talk page access

Can you please remove Planetcloudtechnologies's TPA? He is blocked from editing, and yet is using his talk page to continue his spamming. funplussmart (talk) 00:17, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Funplussmart -  Done. Let me know if you run into any more disruption like this and I'll be happy to take care of it. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Could you also delete the talk page that has the spam (and perhaps restore the version with the block notice)? funplussmart (talk) 00:24, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Funplussmart - Whoops, forgot to hit 'save'.  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Non-Reliable source

Can you explain to me how that link was unreliable? Where could I find one. Kworb is a very reliable source that many music fans keep up with to see how songs and albums are doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukeaanthony (talk • contribs) 00:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lukeaanthony - I actually made that edit on accident and meant to undo that removal that I made... apparently my edit didn't save and it didn't get restored..... *sigh*..... wonderful..... Please accept my apologies for the confusion; I've restored the edit you made to the article and my edit removing what you added was unintentional. If you have any further questions or concerns, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them and help you further. Thanks for leaving me a message and for letting me know about what happened. I apologize again for the issue and I hope that it didn't cause you any frustration or inconvenience. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

No it isn't, Lukeaanthony; please read WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 241#Kworb.net. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:11, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

SNUGGUMS - I appreciate the response here - thank you. I wasn't even aware of the discussion, so I learned something new as well. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Not a problem :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Re-grant of rights

Hi, Oshwah, I plan to be re-active in ACC and accordingly, can you restore my account-creator flag, please? Thanks! ∯WBG^converse 13:17, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Winged Blades of Godric - I can do that, sure. If you haven't already done so, go ahead and email the ACC admins group indicating your wish to return and your request to be re-activated, and I'll take care of all of that for you and get you started back up again. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I need to type out the mail, then:-) Did not know about that esp. in light of that you had revoked it, citing activity requirements! ∯WBG^converse 13:37, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Winged Blades of Godric - Were you able to get back on ACC okay? Let me know and I'll be happy to help you if you're stuck anywhere. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:15, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

ThenameisMary

Hello. I think that since you blocked 70.48.43.247 from editing, this automatically means ThenameisMary should be blocked, too. It is very obviously the same person that uses the username to bypass the block (started editing nine minutes after the IP was blocked, using the same phrases like "you fucking cunts... Can you fuck off now"[5] versus "Can you fuck off you cunt?" [6], and basically identical edits in List of Croatian inventions and discoveries and Talk:List of Croatian inventions and discoveries).

Furthermore, I think Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Filipz123/Archive strongly suggests that ThenameisMary should be blocked indefinitely, as it might just be (approximately) Filipz123's 62719635th nickname—a Canadian IP address edit warring in Croatian and Balkan related lists, adding the same rejected "inventions" over and over again, aggressive behaviour, using swear words, unsigned personal attacks (e.g. [7]) etc. I think this user looks, swims and quacks like a duck.—J. M. (talk) 18:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I don't use any other name other than "ThenameisMary", and the IP address there. I don't know who this Filip person is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThenameisMary (talk • contribs) 18:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

"I don't know who this Filip person is."—this is what Filipz123 always says.—J. M. (talk) 19:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, ThenameisMary is now blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts, so case closed.—J. M. (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi J. M., and thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns and information regarding this IP user and similar edits made by ThenameisMary that show possible sock puppetry violations occurring. I apologize for the delay responding to your message and request for help here; I was drawn into an important discussion and project involving account safety and security vulnerabilities, and it was important that I reviewed it fully and understood what was going on. It appears that this user has since been indefinitely blocked as a confirmed sock puppet, so your suspicions were indeed accurate ones ;-). Please let me know if I can be of assistance with anything else, and I'll be happy to do so. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you a great rest of your day! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Is this how I leave a message?

Is this how I leave a message? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThenameisMary (talk • contribs) 18:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Yep. You bet. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

You reverted my edit

Hello! You reverted my edit on my page and I was just letting you know before I change it back that I have added a citation to my information. Thank you for letting me know why you reverted it Kiwiboy6 (talk) 20:36, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kiwiboy6! Thanks for the message and for letting me know. Excellent! Yeah, as long as you add a citation to a reliable source, you'll be completely fine. Please let me know if you have any questions or need my assistance with anything, and I'll be happy to help. Thanks again, and I wish you happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:38, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Acknowledged. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Bot

Is it a good idea to make a bot that warns users of accounts created with their name in it? Ex Jane Doe makes an account called Jane Doe and another account appears and says Jane Doe (Alt) then the bot will warn User:Jane Doe of this account. Is it a good idea to make a bot that does this? Thanks. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thegooduser. My initial reaction and thoughts regarding your idea are that it doesn't appear to be a bad idea at first if you explain this in a very very generalized manner. However, as you know - this is definitely not an idea that should be considered and only from ideas that only summarize what's involved and required...

While reading your message, thoughts that come to mind include having to decide how closely related an account has to be in order to trigger the bot to warn the first account about the possible issue discovered. Are we going to warn all accounts involved if the creation of a new account shows that more than one existing account is similar to this new one? Is doing this even necessary and will these warnings trigger positive and appropriate actions by the other accounts? Or will they simply confuse them and leave them worried about something small? How often does this situation even happen? ...to the point where writing the code for an entire bot and spending the time getting it approved is worth the days or perhaps weeks of time required? How is this bot going to "locate similar accounts" after a new one is created? How is this bot going to find out that someone just created a new account and hence they need to find if any similar ones already exist?

The time required to write this bot, get it set up, approved and through all of the required reviews, tested, debugged, issues resolved, debugged again, more issues resolved, tested again, and deployed and maintained is much too large to justify in proportion to the benefits that would result, and over an issue that occurs very rarely. But let's say that we're crazy enough to go through with such a project and we create this bot... now you're going to have a bot that will need to request, retrieve, store, and review the entire list of users from the WMF servers in order to locate any similar ones to warn, and then do this each and every time a new account is created. That a huge and unnecessary drain on server resources in order to chase after a very rare occurrence that are usually found to coincidental or not related or connected. Sorry, these reasons make me have to give the idea a thumbs-down. :-/ ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Mop users in make-up

I noticed you used the word "rouge" recently at User talk:Sir Sputnik. That shows how long you have been around on Wikipedia, because the expression "rouge admin" is pretty well long-since obsolete, though I remember that way back in the days when I first became active on Wikipedia (which was not far from the time when you became active) the expression was in very common use. From the contexts in which it appeared it clearly referred in some way to administrators who were considered not to be good, but I couldn't make out exactly what it meant, because I had no knowledge of any meaning of the word "rouge" that was remotely relevant. I looked the word up in several online dictionaries, but could not find any meaning of the word that made any sense in the context, so eventually I just dropped the matter. In any case, the expression gradually fell out of use, so it became irrelevant. It was quite a few years later (really, seriously, I am not kidding) when something or other, I forget what, brought the expression back to mind, and for some reason this time it was so blindingly obvious what it meant that I couldn't imagine how I could have been so stupid before. And now you have resurrected the expression and brought it back to my mind yet again. I don't know you well enough to know whether you are likely to find that story amusing, but I'm letting you have it just in case. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi JamesBWatson! That's hilarious, and I totally understand where you're coming from with old and no-longer used names, processes, pages, and even editors that us "older accounts" can remember and use and where newer accounts would have no idea about. Remember Wikipedia:Don't feed the divas, and how brutally honest it was and how eloquently it described these kinds of editors, how they typically behave, what they typically do in order to try and force things to go their way, and how to identify one? That essay was absolutely spot-on with describing them and their behavior, that I still see editors to this day when they exhibit such behaviors that I still say out loud to myself that "it's a diva user". That's an example of something that existed back in the day, that slowly died and disappeared for awhile but then came back to life with a changed title and with much more toned-down and sugar-coated content. Sigh... a lot has changed in the almost-12 years that I've been here... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

John Jones Delete

Hi Oshwah,

I feel badly about my recent submission on John Jones. You were totally correct in flagging it. And while I did/have the author's permission (Jessie Carney Smith, Dean of the Library, Fisk University) to reprint in Wikipedia, I realize that the copyright is owned by encyclopedia.com. I regret the error. Since I am working with Dr. Smith on this article, we'll resubmit with that fact in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berk55 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Berk55, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your explanation of what happened. No apologies are necessary; we were all new here at one point, and making mistakes in good faith and due to not knowing about or being proficient with the relevant policy involved happen all the time, and I'm not going to take such good faith mistakes and your attempts to help, learn, and grow here - and hold them against you. That would be both unfair and impractical to do (and not to mention completely silly). Just take the feedback left (and any future feedback you'll be given) to heart, review the policies and guidelines that you'll undoubtedly be linked to, and make sure that any questions or confusion is answer and resolved - and you'll do absolutely fine here and you'll get used to how things work in no time at all ;-). Let me know if you have any questions or if you need help with anything, and I'll be happy to do so. Thanks again, and I wish you well and that you have a great day. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Instal(l)ment

Hi,

I'm beginning to think there ought to be a guideline recommending against using this word in articles. The number of times I've seen 'instalment' being changed to 'installment' in British English articles is staggering. I've just had to revert just that in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (film) twice in a row in the space of just over an hour! It's getting ridiculous. It's almost like the word invites such disruptive editing. I checked Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Spelling and its talk page archives and I can't find anything about it (apart from the fact that is most definitely is 'instalment' in British English and not 'installment'). Do you think it's worth making such a proposal, or is it something that we can't do anything about? Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam9007 - I apologize for the delay responding to your message here. Life gets busy! ;-) Well, if I remember correctly, there's already a Manual of Style section that pretty much covers it. This section and This sub-section basically say, "either is fine to use, but be consistent and stick to one or the other in the same article" (in a nutshell). So if "instalment" is how the word is spelled internationally vs "installment" in American / United States English and the article is written to use British or international English, then what you're doing is correct - I'd just follow up with the reverts and leave the users messages letting them know about this. This was something I didn't know about, actually (thank you for teaching me something new today!) so this would be something I'd probably do without knowing it (in fact, I'm sure it's something I've done a handful of times given the number of edits I've made). My spell checker even flags "instalment" as a misspelling, which I'm sure is what many other editors' spell checkers do if set to United States English as well. I wouldn't have given it a second thought and would've believed that I was fixing something, not modifying the spelling of a word that's correct internationally and unintentionally making things inconsistent.

Is it worth a proposal? Maybe... it depends on what you're thinking exactly. I'd check first and make sure that example words aren't already listed somewhere in the manual of style guidelines for this situation first. If there are, just add it as another example. Then you'll be all set. If not, adding it as a proposal will probably be met with push-back by others who think that this already exists. I'd instead propose adding common examples that are commonly changed and reverted in articles by editors so that, when they're pointed to the guideline, they'll be able to see exactly what the section refers to and gain a better understanding.

I don't (and won't) judge others or think of them as less knowledgeable because of this, but there unfortunately are editors who have not heard of international English and how words are spelled differently in other countries than the United States. In fact, I remember first asking about it in Middle School when I saw that a book we were reading spelled medieval protective clothing and gear as "armour" instead of "armor" (I had seen it before many times of course but had never actually asked about it). My teacher told me it was the British way to spell it, and that's when I first actually was told about international spelling differences in English. Let me know what you're thinking with your proposal exactly and I'll be happy to help as much as I can to point you in the right direction if you're thinking of moving forward with one. Thanks again for the message and I apologize again for the delay responding. I hope you have a great rest of your day and I wish you happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:43, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, 'instalment' is how it's spelt in UK and Commonwealth English. My spell checker flags 'installment' as a misspelling unless I set it to US English :). Even Canadian English gives me that red line beneath it :). I could give you (and maybe I will if necessary :)) a great big long list of diffs where 'instalment' was incorrectly changed to 'installment' and rightly reverted, whether by me or by someone else. It seems to happen a lot on the Harry Potter and The Lord of The Rings articles, though I have seen it happen elsewhere, such as Puzzle & Action: Tant-R. I'm thinking maybe we should have a guideline recommending alternative words that don't have this problem, but the problem is that the word has multiple meanings and I'm not sure that any of the synonyms (of the sense used in the aforementioned articles) fit exactly. Adam9007 (talk) 04:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry

Primarily done by other means.∯WBGconverse 09:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

to bother you yet again but can you see this thread? ∯WBGconverse 10:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Hi Winged Blades of Godric! It's good to talk to you again ;-). No apologies are necessary at all; my user talk page is always open to you and all others, and I'm always happy to lend a hand or take a look at things if needed. Sure, I can do that for you - just give me a little bit to finish up some urgent requests from a few other user here and get this email sent out, and I'll be happy to take a look and add some input there. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 10:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Thanks:-) Take your time and (if possible) tend to another long-pending edit request at that page.I saw you to be pretty active around the time of writing and also noting that you are an interface-admin at test-wiki, chose to jump in:-)∯WBGconverse 10:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC) And, your opinion on whether my remaining edits at my pagetriage sandbox js(s) , as to incorporation of other features, makes any sense, would be welcome too:-) ∯WBGconverse 20:07, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Winged Blades of Godric! I saw your follow-up responses here with your requests, but then saw that you collapsed them. Did you still want me to take a look? Let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:46, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

It's mostly done.Except:-

There's currently an edit-request at MediaWiki talk:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js.Can you help out, please?!

Over test.wiki, no group other than the sysops have the patrol flag which heavily restricts me asking users over here to test the toolbar.But, I note that there is an implicit group of patrollers, all sysops are subscribed to.Also, if you check the case of Barkeep49, over test.wiki, you will note that he did not have the sysop flag ever but is a member of the implicit group of patrollers and can access the curation toolbar! The logs don't mention any info either.Any ideas?

Thirdly, how restricted is the bureaucrat group over there? I was intending to test the functionality of enabling a few tweaks to not invoke a mandatory un-reviewed-message-template but that there were only 2 reviewed pages (by someone other than me) meant I had only two scopes to test the un-review-feature since un-reviewing one's own review don't trigger a message. So having the ability to assign bits would be helpful to grant +sysop temporarily to my alt, (create a few auto-patrolled pages through the alt) and come back to my main account to review it.I won't like a permanent grant to my alt either, because for many testing purposes, there's an explicit need for non-autoconfirmed account.And, additionally I can grant the flag temporarily to new-page-reviwers who are willing to test the interface over there, if you don't manage to find out any way to grant the patrol flag standalone to an user.∯WBG^converse 10:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric - You should add a discussion to Wikipedia:Interface administrators' noticeboard so that it gets the attention of all interface admins who can help. I can take a look and see what I can do, but it would take some time. It would make everything easier and take much less longer to get completed if you also post a discussion there. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Winged Blades of Godric - Oh, and my apologies for not answering your last question. That's... a good question, to be honest. I know it's pretty highly restricted over on test-wiki, I just don't remember the exact criteria or process for giving crat out... I'll need to review that. *Adds this to his to-do list* ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:04, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric - I thought that the 'patroller' group right and grants over on test-wiki were also included in the admin toolset? Maybe I'm wrong? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

As I wrote above no group other than the sysops have the patrol flag going by the documentation and you are correct.But, that's not the sole way to grant the patrol bits or so it seems.See this curious case.∯WBG^converse 11:12, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Damn... you're right. I looked through the Special pages for Grants and Group Rights and it looks like the only group that has it implicitly on test-wiki are admins. We should probably add the 'Patroller' user group with the corresponding group rights attached to it so admins can give that out for testing purposes... I don't know the full extent of what it takes to do this, but I believe that only Stewards (and maybe Staff or some other groups) can do this (assuming nothing is required on the development/code side of things)... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Culled the complexity of the edit-request, to a simple Ctrl + C and Ctrl +V :-) I don't guess a thread will be any necessary:-) ∯WBG^converse 10:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Peter Berry

Hello Osh, the page Peter Berry (footballer) was recently moved to Peter Berry (association footballer). This is not the usual disamb. method; association players have 'footballer' and other types distinguished by 'American football' etc. I would like to move the page back but it requires Admin assistance as Peter Berry (footballer) already exists as redirect. Can you help me out (again) please. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 11:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

• 'OLd up: as you were! I got a red error message as per above when trying to move the page earlier but having just looked at my contribs. it seems the move has taken place (over redirect). Is this OK? I'm easily confused by page moves! :P Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 11:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Eagleash, and thanks for leaving me a message with your request for assistance with this. If the page move created a redirect at the old location, you should be able to move the page back to the previous title and without requiring the redirect be deleted by an admin first; you should be able to write right over it and without trouble (you'll be asked to confirm) that you want to move it back first; no big deal. However, this requires that the redirect isn't touched or edited at all after its creation (else the MediaWiki software assumes that content was added and hence a manual merging of the two locations have to occur first). The page also can't be moved again and to a different title before attempting to move it back, else the original move and direct-linking by the original redirect is "broken", and hence you can't move it back until an admin deletes the redirect first. In a nutshell, if certain requirements are met and things aren't touched or changed, you should usually be able to revert page moves and overwrite the original redirect by just moving them back to the previous name. Let me know if you have any questions or if you're unable to move the page back yourself, and I'll be happy to help get this done for you. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks; as above, it seems the move did go through despite the pink 'admin assistance required' message I received when I clicked 'move'. Reading what you say above I believe things are in order. There were no changes to the redirect created at the original location and it looks OK as far as I can tell. Thanks. :) Eagleash (talk) 12:12, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Eagleash - haha... that's because I made the page move just as you were trying to do so ;-). I was pretty certain that the redirect had been edited or the page moved again (as seen in the logs), so I just went ahead and kicked it back to it's original title. You bet; always happy to help. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Um... now I'm a bit more confused! My contribs. say I successfully moved the page at 09:47 (UTC). Chase, goose, wild? Eagleash (talk) 12:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Eagleash - Oh, interesting! Maybe you did do the move and I was only mistaken when I thought that I did... We did make the move at almost exactly the same time... I just didn't bother to check and see who the deletion log was written to (and hence who did make the move)... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:37, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

This seems to indicate that I was able to move it at 09:47 and then you deleted the thus created redirect a hour or 2 later. Anyways, it seems to be in order, the redirect at the original (and current) location was deleted G6 by me overwriting. Cheers...I'll leave you in peace now! Eagleash (talk) 12:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Aha! Got'cha... then disregard my stupid replies and speculation then. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Yayoi protection thank you

Could you please revert his last edit. Check the source please yourself, vovin speaks about tai-kadai. He does not mention Austroasiatic or austronesian at all. Also the claim that this are features of Austroasiatic is wrong. Thank you. 212.95.8.235 (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, please accept my apologies. I thought that this was a case of edit warring, but then I saw the edit summaries by the other IP... Yeah, needless to say, I reverted my block and removed the notice I left on your user talk page. All set to go! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:17, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, no problem.:) 212.95.8.138 (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Request to permanently delete edits to "Adam Hauck"

Hello Oshwah - last December you reverted edits made to Adam Hauck by user 97.84.94.212 - as someone with admin privileges, please permanently delete all edits by that user to that page given violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. If you do not have said privileges, please let me know how to find someone who does. Thank you! Judoonverdugo (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Judoonverdugo -  Done. Thank you for the message and for letting me know about this. In the future, please email requests for revision deletion to me privately by clicking on "email this user" link located on the left-side toolbox, or by visiting Special:EmailUser/Oshwah. This keeps the Streisand effect as low and minimal as possible, as users would naturally be tempted to quickly read the content in question before it becomes hidden from the general public. Thanks again, and I hope you have a great day. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Automated Reversions

Hi Oshwah

My name is Steven and I wanted to touch base with you about a major edit I made this morning that was reverted. It looks like it may have been done in an automated way, so I want to explain what I did and get your thoughts. I split the page for Google Docs, Sheets, and Slides into four individual articles for Google Docs, Google Sheets, Google Slides, and Google Forms. I removed everything on the current article and left hatnotes offering links to the four new pages as well as Google Drive. That may have been too bold without consensus.

Full disclosure of COI; I work for a digital agency and we’ve been contracted to do this. I only took this project because I believed it was addressing a real problem, and that is an unclear information architecture for articles relating to Google Drive, the Google Drive Suite, and Google Docs, Sheets, and Slides. It lacks the clear structure that you find with other software suites like Microsoft Office and Adobe Creative Suite.

How would you suggest I move forward making this case? Also, nothing was added or deleted in creating the new articles, I just pulled the threads apart to create four articles and even kept the same article structure. Thanks you and please let me know your thoughts on these changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBCornelius (talk • contribs) 20:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi SBCornelius, and thank you for leaving me a message here with your explanation. I apologize for misinterpreting your removal of content to the article to be non-constructive. I see now what you were trying to do, and I appreciate your message and explanation very much. If you've already moved all of the content into these other articles, then you may want to consider changing this article to redirect to maybe the main Google article (instead of just a page with a few links listed in it). Either way, please feel free to restore the article to the revision that you feel is the most appropriate, and please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message and I wish you happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:49, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

My page Info Card Was Deleted

Hi, my name is Nicolaas Pascal Migliore, I made an info card for my Acting Career. I have a photo that was uploaded on flicker that I have rights to. The photo was taken by my uncle how is the owner of Picture Truths and The ElekTrik Zoo I have their permission to use any of the photos they have taken of me. I did not break any laws. I want my info page back up. My uncle production company and as well the company I work for and act for are being impersonatated and the films I’ve acted in are being published on torrenting sites that we do not give any premisson to upload or to distribute the films of our works. The torrent sites have violated all of my rights as a Actor and YouTuber by stealing all of my content that both me and the production company has worked on. The torrenting sites are putting my production company films that we’ve work on in jeopardy due to film festivals. I want the public to know that I’m the authentic figure and I want them to see this info card so if they see that their will be legal action that will take place immediately under all copyright laws and stautes and limitations. I'm not making threats to any Wikipedia workers. I want to insure that I have fully creditability of the films I've acted in. I not uploading resume of anything or advertising products. I want an info card so it can appear on google search engine so a public knows that I have ccreditbilty of the work I'm in to show them I an authentic public figure and so I can build trustworthy community relationship with other talented artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealnicolaasmigliore (talk • contribs) 23:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Therealnicolaasmigliore, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your questions and concerns. The reason I deleted your user page was because of a couple of concerns. First, you seemed to be disclosing a lot of personal information about yourself and it was partially done in order to keep your information safe. You included very private information about yourself, and I urge you to reconsider how much you disclose publicly like this. The other reason I deleted it was due to the content you added. It seemed like you were using it to simply "talk about yourself" and that you were using your user page for non-Wikipedia related purposes. Please see this section of Wikipedia's policies on user pages as well as this criterion for deletion for more information. If you have any questions regarding these policies and guidelines I pointed out to you, let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for the message and I wish you happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:57, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

why did you delete my sandbox page?

hello, why did you delete my sandbox page? galassiaGalassia Grassetto (talk) 00:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Galassia Grassetto - Your sandbox was deleted because it was being used to write content about yourself and appeared to be worded like an advertisement or promotional page. Since you had made no other edits except those that talked about yourself, I also grew concerned that you were using it for non-Wikipedia related purposes. What were your plans regarding this page? What desired goal and outcome were you working towards? Let me know and I'll be happy to help you further. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:08, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Galassia Grassetto (talk) 07:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Hello OshwahGalassia Grassetto (talk) actually I start writing the page in the "sand box" section because was my understanding that the sandbox is a section for pre-publishing. the page I want to do is informational, and I need it to complement my work. also im trying to create some synergy with my numerous Google content and my imdb page. Oshwah, Im not very saavy with Wiki, so maybe you can help me. I also am an environmentalist and protect amnd dive with sharks, I didnt have time to place more info like my credits and other activities because like I said, I though the sandbox is to work around before publishing. I would love if you can send me more info in how to achieve that. thank you :-)

Hi again, Galassia Grassetto. I apologize for the delay responding to your message here. Life gets busy for me sometimes. ;-) Have you gone through and completed Wikipedia's new user tutorial? If not, I highly recommend that you do so. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you (including sandbox and article creation). Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else. Have a great rest of your day, good luck, and happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Ban

When I was hot tempered I used to create vandalism only accounts and even impersonated a long term abuse vandal for a joke. So not only do I have several blocked accounts but even globally locked ones and while I can take a break from Wikipedia, I do wish I may edit other sister projects. As an admin, do you know how I can get myself unbanned? It is embarrissing to expose myself and I cannot edit in good conscience when I am not supposed to be doing so. What can I do to return as a help, as I have matured and want to be constructive? I. Do not think I can clean start with the bans. 2600:1:F16A:CD61:A473:7C4F:4697:CC4 (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your honest words and your questions. How long ago did this "hot tempered phase" of creating vandalism-only accounts happen? If it was over six months ago and you haven't violated any policies for over six months, you might be able to use your original account to request an unblock by referring to the standard offer that we give to Wikipedians who were blocked for policy violations or other reasons. Because you're blocked here doesn't mean that you can't contribute positively to other sister projects such as the Simple English Wikipedia or others (in fact, if you want to appeal your block under the standard offer, positive contributions in other projects will help others when reviewing your request). So fear not - it's not the absolute end of the road for you here. Just follow the guidelines listed here to get started. On another note, it'll be considered a violation of policy by messaging people as an anonymous user knowing that you have multiple accounts that are indefinitely blocked (even though you seem to be asking questions here in good faith), since you're using a method to evade your block. I'm not going to take action about this here, since I feel that you're legitimately trying to get help and come back to the project and contribute positively, and I don't want to shove you away... but please do keep this in mind. I wish you well and I hope that your future block appeal is successful, that you return to the project and are given a second chance, and that you contribute here positively and grow from this experience. Best wishes - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

User talk:SouthSudan Government

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 07:21, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cahk! It looks like Drmies has already done this. Thank you for the heads up, and feel free to let me know if you see more blocks that need talk page access revoked and I'll be happy to take a look. I would also like to thank Drmies for handling the situation as well. Cheers to you both! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:11, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

My wikipedia page

Hi Oshwah! I was wondering if you could check out my wikipedia page, and I feel like it’s ready to be published! It still is a work in progress, but it is still good! Here’s the link:Draft:Jason Seaman Thanks! DabitDodo talk —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Modafinilprovigil

Please have a look at this user's page and talk for what seems to be only a commercial interest for using the encyclopedia. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 18:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User Blocked. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:49, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Hey Oshwah, I have a few redirects from my old account that I'd like deleted under U1

• User:Mlpearc Phone/common.js
• User:Mlpearc Public/common.js
• User:Mlpearc Phone/vector.js
• User:Mlpearc Public/vector.js
• User:Mlpearc Phone/common.css
• User:Mlpearc Public/common.css

Thanx for your help. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 21:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

FlightTime -  Done. Let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:12, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Hello Oshwah:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Hi Thegooduser! Thanks for the Halloween wishes! I personally won't be doing anything special for it, but I hope you have a fun and safe Halloween. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:13, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Mohammed bin Salman

On the "Mohammad bin Salman" page, they spell his name "Mohammad" or "Mohammed" interchangeably. The official government website of Saudi Arabia spells his name "Mohammed bin Salman." https://www.saudi.gov.sa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caseyph (talk • contribs) 08:47, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Caseyph - Thanks for letting me know. You might want to start a discussion on the article's talk page in order to get input on this by other editors and make sure that they agree with this. This might become an issue with "reverting" if it's not addressed. Thanks again for the message and I wish you happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Re: Per Ethan's request, added clarification to a couple of sentences and added Filmography.

Hello Oshwah,

I received your message regarding editing Ethan Tobman's wikipedia page. I understand that my changes were reverted due to the "Managing a conflict of interest" guideline. I am new to this so I appreciate the feedback/guidance.

I was hired by Ethan Tobman via Upwork to edit his Wikipedia. He provided me with the verbiage and the links. I took that data and edited them into his page using the Wikipedia coding language. We went a couple of rounds with edits which is why the work spanned across two days.

After reading the "Managing a conflict of interest" guideline, I understand I should have disclosed the fact that I was hired to do the work. I am in no way related or have any contact with Ethan Tobman other than our correspondence on Upwork.

I only realized that his Wikipedia page was reverted when I checked it after following up on my payment for the work. Please let me know if there is anything I should do to ensure that Ethan's page is within guidelines so that he may proceed with his payment for my work.

Thank you. And again, as I am new to this, I welcome any feedback you can give me.

Best Regards, Alloy GibsonAlloy Gibson (talk) 00:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Alloy Gibson Hi there and Welcome to Wikipedia. Before Continuing, I see that you are hired to do this, Please read The Paid Editing Disclosure and Our Conflict of Intrest Guideline (If you have done so, that's great.) Then Disclose that you are paid on your userpage. Thanks and Happy Editing! :) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. Alloy Gibson, if you're being paid or compensated in any way to edit Wikipedia, you must disclose this information per Wikipedia's policy on paid editing and our Terms of Use. Failure to do this is a major violation of policy and the ToU and will result in being blocked. I'll be happy to take a look at the page, although my input may be limited... I don't know about this article subject too much. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Ping

Hello. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

- BilCat (talk) 04:01, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) BilCat Oshwah is not available right now. So he might not reply to your email right away. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 19:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, I figured that out on my own. - BilCat (talk) 04:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Handled; thanks for the email, BilCat! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

IP sock of gutmeister again

Now on the page Nanyue. He keep pushing his Tai nationalism by claiming the nanyue spoke Tai languages only. But the article about Yue language and baiyue itself say that they spoke Austroasiatic, hmong-mien and kra-dai languages. And that nanyue spoke mostly Austroasiatic languages. I have already written on the talkpage of the article. He also includes a fringe source from a blog about nationalism. Further he still uses many VPN Ips. Could you please check it out and protect the page? Thank you again. 212.95.8.138 (talk) 09:02, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there. I've added semi-protection to the article for an ongoing edit war and content dispute. If you suspect sock puppetry or block evasion, you should file a report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents so that admins and users can investigate the matter. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Copyvio reported at AfD

An editor recently nominated Hiroko Kasahara for deletion, but the nomination (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroko Kasahara) is clearly a thorough copyvio-revdel request rather than an article deletion nomination. I attempted to add the copyvio-revdel template, but the page remains subject to pending changes review and I lack the permissions to accept those changes. Hoping you or a talk page stalker can help out. Bakazaka (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bakazaka! Thanks for leaving me a message here - I'll be happy to help resolve this issue no problem ;-). I see the RD1 request template, but you didn't supplement it with diff IDs or revisions to remove, and I also don't see any discussion or details on the article's talk page. Did you verify for sure that the text being added is a copyright violation? Is the repeated non-English text additions to the article that I'm seeing by an anonymous user the content that is in violation? What page is the content a copyright violation from, or where exactly is this user copying this text straight from? I just want to make sure that we've verified everything and that it's for sure a copyright violation that needs redaction before I move in and do so. Let me know when you can and I'll be happy to fix everything up. Thanks again! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for following up. I put the link to the AfD nomination in the copyvio template (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroko Kasahara). The nominator left detailed information in the nomination about which sources were copied and when. I did not check every listed edit, but I spot checked a few and they were straight copy/paste from the listed source sites. Bakazaka (talk) 07:16, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bakazaka - Ahhhh, okay... I see what happened. Cool, that works! Thanks! I'll take care of it! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bakazaka - I looked through the list that 郊外生活 added citing copyright violations, but (s)he simply links to the Japanese Wikipedia page of the same subject as proof that the content is a copyright violation. Content added to Wikipedia that's copied from another language Wikipedia project isn't a violation of copyright in itself - unless the content copied from the other Wikipedia project was also copied straight from an external source that's copyrighted (an example: Someone copies song lyrics straight from an external website onto the Simple English Wikipedia, which is then copied from there to the English Wikipedia here). If the content added to the other Wikipedia project is otherwise just fine, it wouldn't be a violation of copyright if it were copied here (it would just be a bad editing practice, since we have a process for properly translating content from another language project here). So for now, I'm going to hold off on revision deletion unless there's more information that I missed that shows that this content is copied straight from an external source. Thanks again for the message and the response, and please don't hesitate to let me know if I missed something or if there's anything else that I can help with :-). Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, my name is 郊外生活Kogaiseikatsu (talk,contribs), who nominated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroko Kasahara. I found I didn't know {{Copyvio-revdel}} and misunderstood how to request revision deletion. I guess Hiroko Kasahara has enough notability so it is not necessary to delete all revisions, but some revisions of that article should be deleted, because of copyrights violation.

The problem about Hiroko Kasahara is complicated. In the article Hiroko Kasahara, some IP users copied and pasted from many pages, not only from Japanese Wikipedia (jawp) without attribution, but also news articles, lyrics, web pages, etc, which have vaild copyrights in the United States and many other countries.

For example, the first copy and paste was at 03:46, 29 December 2017 (diff). That was partly copied from ja:財団X("Foundation X", this is an organisation appeard on Kamen Rider, and this is diffenrent article from Hiroko Kasahara) without attribution (no link for that jawp page, such as "copied from ja:財団X"). Any jawp page can copy to other pages by following CC-BY-SA 3.0, so it should be shown the hyperlink for that jawp page and that is same as WP:CWW in English Wikipedia, so I guess this edit is not obeyed CC-BY-SA 3.0 and it should be deleted.

What is more, the IP users did copying and pasting copyrighted news articles, lyrics, web pages, etc in the newer revisions.

Anyway, I'd like to check what I should do in order to solve this problem about Hiroko Kasahara. If any points that are hard to understand the situation showed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroko Kasahara, or any other mistakes, let me know. 郊外生活Kogaiseikatsu (talk,contribs) 16:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi 郊外生活! Thanks for responding here and for adding this information. I completely understand that you weren't aware of how to properly request revision deletion nor did you know about the {{Copyvio-revdel}} template - it's not big deal at all :-). Like I said above: simply copying content from another language Wikipedia project does not make the content a violation of copyright in itself. However, as you've indicated, the matter is complicated and the content may have come from many external sources in violation of copyright. If you could create a discussion on the article's talk page here (you can copy the text you used in the AFD discussion to make this faster) and list any external URLs and websites that these revisions copied content directly from and in violation of copyright, it would be very helpful. In the meantime, I'll go through today and see if I can't compare the revisions in question to sources (I typically use this tool to do so) and I'll redact the revisions where I see unquestionable matches. Let me know if I can answer any of your questions and I'll be happy to do so. Thanks again for the response here and for all of your help! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Looks like the right two people are in contact here, so I'll bow out and say thanks to Oshwah for working through these issues. Bakazaka (talk) 18:15, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bakazaka - Go for it! And you're welcome; always happy to help! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. Now these revisions on Hiroko Kasahara have already been deleted by another sysop, but I'd like to make good use of your help if I find similar situations after this. For example, using the talk page of the article is different from jawp, (in jawp, users need to start AfD if needed revision deletion and there are no {{Copyvio-revdel}} template, except obvious vandalism.) but I will know and follow suitable procedures in English Wikipedia. 郊外生活Kogaiseikatsu (talk,contribs) 23:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

郊外生活 - Great! You're very welcome! I'm glad that the matter was handled, and please don't hesitate to message me if you need help or have questions in the future - I'll be more than happy to answer them :-). Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

My Sandbox:

Hello,

I was wondering if you would take a look at my sandbox to see if, I am on the right track to creating an good article?(I am new to this)

I want to talk about the court case dealing with a woman named Mary O'Connor.

Thanks:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isaac8600 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Isaac8600! Welcome to Wikipedia! I think your sandbox page is off to a good start. What I think will be helpful to you and provide you with a significant amount of good information is Wikipedia's new user tutorial. If you haven't already done so, I highly recommend that you go through and complete the entire tutorial and all the "missions" (or lessons) that it provides. The tutorial will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you (including sandbox and article creation). Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them, and led to them being saved hours of time and frustration. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else. Have a great rest of your day, good luck, keep up the good work, and happy editing! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oshwah (talk • contribs)

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BilCat - Just received; looking into it now... Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

BilCat - User has been blocked for one week. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much. - BilCat (talk) 06:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

BilCat - You bet ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Nerdpapers

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 08:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Cahk -  Done ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Deltetion

Hello, Recently Oshwah deleted my page about me on the 22nd of October 2018 and it took time for me to make just that one. I’m just a kid trying to get famous on YouTube and try and do a lot of stuff to make people notice me (My YouTube is MasonPlayzXD). I’m only posting this to not send hate to Oshwah but to tell you what happened — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasonPlayzXD (talk • contribs) 09:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi MasonPlayzXD, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns regarding the user page you created and point you in the right direction :-). I'll be happy to explain why it was deleted. The reason it was deleted was because it seemed to be written with the sole intent to promote yourself. This is not the purpose of user pages nor is it the purpose of Wikipedia as a website. Wikipedia's policies on user pages state that they should not contain excessive content that's not related to Wikipedia itself, which includes a section that specifically mentions using user pages to advertise or promote. Wikipedia also has a section that mentions advertising or promotion as a specific item under its policy listing what the Wikipedia website is not designed to be used for as a whole. Since your user page was created with the intention of advertising and promoting yourself and your personal activities, it was deleted under U5 of Wikipedia's speedy deletion criteria guidelines. The page could have also been deleted under G11 of the same criteria guidelines as well. Please let me know if you have any questions about the policies and guidelines that I've linked you to here, and I'll be happy to answer them. If you wish to follow the policies and guidelines and contribute to Wikipedia, you should consider going through and completing Wikipedia's new user tutorial before you do anything else. It's very helpful, and it will provide you with good information that you'll find very useful. Thanks again for the message and I wish you a great rest of your day. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Under "Episodes" title of Chilling Adventures of Sabrina

Hello, I just read Chilling Adventures of Sabrina in Wikipedia.

I think there is a typing mistake under "Episodes" title, in "Chapter Eight: The Burial". In fourth line it is typed "afer" instead of "after".

Ayushi Borkar (talk) 10:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Ayushi Borkar -  Fixed. Thanks for letting me know :-). In the future, you can also request that someone make fixes and edits for you in situations where you can't do so yourself by creating an edit request. This will allow any user with the ability to edit the article or page to fix issues or make changes for you. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you :-). Thanks again - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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 Thank you very much! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 12:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus -  Done. No problem; always happy to lend a hand. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:28, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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Abelmoschus Esculentus - I received your email and just now sent my response. Be prepared for a very lengthy and in-depth analysis, take everything said with positivity and honesty and with the thought that I want to help you, and (most of all) keep an open mind. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Again bookworm/gutmeister (and thanks for the protection on nanyue)

Bookworm(his thousand vpn IPs) are now vandalizing the article Baiyue. He keep deleting sources and material about languages spoken by the Yue.(Yue spoke more than one language what is a historical fact) He keeps pushing an Tai-only agenda and ignore discussions. Could you please protect the page again, I will also report the different IPs on the sockpuppet investigation. Thank you (and sorry to constantly ask you about help :) ). 212.95.8.148 (talk) 13:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I've protected the page for disruptive editing pending a look at what's going on. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you again :) 212.95.8.148 (talk) 13:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Oshwah: Austrian IP 212.95.8.148 is a sock puppet of blocked users WorldCreaterFighter / AmurTiger18 / Satoshi Kondo. This user has been blocked indefinitely at German Wikipedia [8]. Though one of this person's usernames is Japanese (Satoshi Kondo), but this person is actually a Vietnamese. Plz take a look at this Commons Wikimedia Talkpage: [9]. Everytime when there is some Austrian IP address coming to your Talkpage to place a nonsensical report about "blocked user", that's this person. 58.126.14.221 (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I am not this person, you are the sock of user:bookworm8899 and user:gustmeister and vandalize this pages with tai-nationalism. Maybe you are also the sock of WorldCreaterFighter as you always claim that other users are him. You even claimed that an admin that blocked you is a sock... The sources all say that it is not known what languages are spoken and that mostly all aggree that the Austroasiatic languages where spoken there and after the migration also the tai languages. You keep deleting sourced content and refuse to discuss. You use thousand different IPs to push your POV. 212.95.8.148 (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

See this discussion and feel free to respond there. Thanks - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:21, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Interface Edit Requests - Bot Table

Hello Oshwah, as an interface administrator I wanted to let you know that there are two pages you should consider watch-listing: Wikipedia:Interface administrators' noticeboard and User:AnomieBOT/IPERTable. The later is a bot-generated table of all outstanding interface edit requests that you may be able to handle. Thank you for your continuing support of Wikipedia! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Yup, I already have the noticeboard on my watchlist and I just now added the sub-page of AnomieBOT to my watchlist. Thanks for the PSA. ;-) Yes, I know that I'm talking to nobody and my response here is pointless, but I'm doing it anyways... :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Sources for baiyue to show the POV by bookworms IPs

Reference one: https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/file/index/docid/991634/filename/Ferlus2009_Dongsonian_JSEALS.pdf

Reference two: Reconstructing Austroasiatic prehistory; Chapter in the forthcoming Jenny, M. & P. Sidwell (eds.). forthcoming 2015. Handbook of the Austroasiatic Languages. Leiden: Brill. (Page 1: “Sagart (2011) and Bellwood (2013) favour the middle Yangzi”

Reference theee: Peiros(2011) even say that the claim that yue spoke tai languages and that Austroasiatic was not present in southern china is absurd and contradicting known history (http://www.jolr.ru/files/(68)jlr2011-6(101-114).pdf)

Please fix this or restore the information with this sources. It can not be that bookworm push his tai-nationalism on the English wikipedia and no one is stopping him. Thank you. 212.95.8.148 (talk) 14:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

See this discussion and feel free to respond there. Thanks - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:21, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, i have already joined the discussion. 212.95.8.148 (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Sock?

Is this editor a sock of this editor? The usernames are a bit of a coincidence. Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam9007! It's good to talk to you again! Hah, I'd say this edit here is a dead giveaway and I've blocked the account ;-). Thanks for the message and for letting me know about this. My talk page is always open if you see any more suspicious users like this - feel free to report them here or at AIV. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I thought the combination of that and this edit (as well as the usernames) made it a giveaway :). Adam9007 (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Oh yeah... that edit you point out definitely has me lifting a brow when I see that - especially if it's their first edit and right after they create the account. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

According to the log, the account was created on 20 October 2018 at 16:21 . Adam9007 (talk) 17:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Given that they're clearly the same person, I'd say that it doesn't matter at this point. One of them was blocked as a VOA and the user started using the other one afterwards. This would be a "sleeper account" in my view, given the events and obviously without truly knowing what the user was trying to do when (s)he created them. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) (edit conflict) But since the first account was blocked because of its username, and the block template encourages them to create another account, isn't this just a case of a new user not understanding that they would be required to post a disclosure of the connection? ...maybe not though if the "sock" was actually older. --bonadea contributions talk 17:30, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bonadea! If we're referring to this account, it was blocked as a username violation and as a vandalism-only account on top of this. Let me know if I'm missing something or if the user you're referring to is someone different. Good to talk to you again! Hope things are going well for you! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:32, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (talk page watcher) the first account was blocked for vandalism, and the blocking admin didn't use the username violation block notice. The note in the log about its username was just the blocking admin being thorough. This is an LTA, anyway. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Agreed with Ivanvector. I didn't look far or deep enough to see if it was an LTA or not, but I'm sure that it is one... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in before I'd done my homework :-) I only saw that the long-username-account had been blocked with a blocking template encouraging the creation of a new account, and that the shorter-username-acct seemed to be that new account. But I was killing time at the bus stop and not digging very deeply, and I was aware of that so my question was genuinely a question, not a suggestion that you'd done anything wrong :-) --bonadea contributions talk 18:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bonadea - No worries; we understand what you mean. Your questions and comments are always welcome here. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Borderline offensive user name

See [[User:[REDACTED - Oshwah]|here]]. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi BilCat - Ohhhh boy, that is quite borderline, isn't it? *Sigh*.... okay. Keep eyes on this user's edits (and I'll try and do the same) - if they start adding edits that are blatantly vandalism or disruption without question, let me know and I'll {{uw-vaublock}} it. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

BilCat - After some thought (as well as an email or two by other users), I've blocked the account. Thanks for the message and please don't hesitate to let me know if you see any more blatantly inappropriate usernames and I'll be happy to look at them. You can also report them to WP:UAA as well if I'm not around. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks again. It certainly was...odd. :) - BilCat (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

BilCat - Well, either way - it was a username that wasn't appropriate. After I spoke to two other editors via email who both expressed that they felt that the username was offensive and over the line, I went ahead and blocked the account bearing their input in mind in addition to yours. You're welcome; always happy to help! My user talk page is always open to you, so feel free to stop by any time you'd like. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Oshwah/ResponseHelper.js

Just out of Curiosity, what is this? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Thegooduser: I think it's a script for responding to reports such as AIV or UAA. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 00:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thegooduser - It's basically what Abelmoschus Esculentus said above with a bunch of custom changes and other scripts thrown in there. A long time who, I was lazy and threw a bunch of additional customized scripts and creations into the same file as what it was originally created to hold just to keep them in one place. I just haven't separated each one into their own .js file and I left them as that (the mess that you see today). in fact, I might just do that today... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Questions

1. How can I change the alert number in my bell, and the color of my bell? 2. How can I change the "You have new messages" and the "You have new messages from another user (last change) colour? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:17, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Use javascript. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 00:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Which one? :) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:26, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Javascript. Do you know programming stuff? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 00:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh AFAIK there are no existing javascripts that can change it, so you have to make it yourself. Sorry for misunderstanding your reply. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 00:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I am a terrible coder, I get a headache whenever I code (Not saying it is bad or anything) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I have seen a page on how to customize it. But I forgot the name of the page. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:38, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Good question... to be honest, I'm not the right person to ask when it comes to these exact MediaWiki objects and areas. I don't believe that changing anything in the "notification area" on the top is possible. That's all built-in to the core MediaWiki code beyond that in which you can modify with javascript and css (someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The "new message notification" is possible to modify, but the extent of my knowledge in this area is a script I remember seeing published somewhere that replaces the new compact "new message" notification with the old block template that everyone used to see in the past before it was all updated and modified into what you see today (it looked like this). I'm going to ping MusikAnimal, who will definitely have a better answer than I have here. He'll be able to correct me where I'm wrong and give a better response here. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Changing colours? You'll definitely want to use CSS, not JavaScript. I don't have time to look into it, but the kind people at WP:VPT can help :) Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 00:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

MusikAnimal - I appreciate your input as always - thank you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Oops... Forgot that CSS is for styling while Javascript is not. But there is not good reasons to change it anyway. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 03:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Twinkle is so funny

So I am on my talk page I click WEL Twinkle pops an alert "Are you really sure you want to Welcome yourself?... Then I click warn Twinkle says "You are about to warn yourself. Are you sure you want to continue?. Then I click TB Twinkle says "Is it really so bad, You're talking back to yourself? lol Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:02, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Easter eggs... good times :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Self Block

If I requested a Self Block would it ruin my reputation here? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Generally, no. But they're also unneeded for the most part. You can use this script to achieve the exact same result. Why would you request one? ... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I am gonna fail my English poetry test if I don't get studying. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Whelp, you're going to want to either exercise restraint and put yourself in an environment where distractions are difficult and study, and if that fails - use the WikiBreak enforcer script I linked you to. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

If I make a mistake and set it for 100 years can I email you so you can fix it? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:31, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, of course. I'd actually be one of the only users who could actually fix it for you. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:39, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

doppelgänger accounts

I requested a golbal lock but they refused. Any more Ideas? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Stewards generally will not lock doppelgänger accounts. Just make sure that they're protected with a strong password and they're registered to your email account and you should be fine. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:26, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

They have a "weak" password and I can't get into them. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

If you registered them to your email account, use Special:PasswordReset to gain access to them again, then change the password to something strong. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Did not do that. Damn. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, accounts where you cannot remember the password to and that weren't associated or verified to an email address can't be recovered. Sorry... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Can you set a indefinite WikiBreak Enforcer on them? Thanks. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

That would only function on this project and not elsewhere, unless you copy the script's source code to a new .js file on meta and link it to your global.js file, then activate the script by using that new .js file you created (which is more complicated than you need to be going). What's the username of the doppelgänger account? I'll just block it indefinitely here if that's what you'd like... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

VPN

What happens if someone uses a VPN and goes on my IP to Vandalize? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

If your IP address or network is not an open proxy or controlled by a server that would allow a VPN to connect and tunnel through it to send and receive traffic, then you have nothing to worry about. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Protection?

Blue Girl Beer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Oshwah! This is a page I created in June, and since then vandals and trolls have been targeting this page, and only vandalism is found in recent history. Is protecting it appropriate? The disruption doesn't seem to be massive though. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 04:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Abelmoschus Esculentus - Yes, I've noticed that an LTA was creating some accounts with similar usernames as yours today, and I was able to block most of them before they even had a chance to do anything. Some have obviously slipped through; sorry that you're being subject to this kind of harassment. Fear not though; they'll move on... :-). I've applied semi-protection to that article for two days. If the trolling and vandalism continues after it expires, let me know and I'll add it again and for a longer period of time ;-). Let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:18, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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Abelmoschus Esculentus -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again... ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 12:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - You bet ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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Abelmoschus Esculentus - Replied :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:21, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Accessing deleted article

Hi. Is there any chance it would be possible for me to see the source text of Template:AHSCharacter before it was deleted in March 2015 (the article was recreated in 2017)? This is because I've nominated the template for deletion (see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 October 29) and it would be helpful to know if this template is the same or almost the same as the template with the same name deleted as the result of a discussion here. Thank you. TedEdwards 15:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi TedEdwards! Sure; where can I paste the content for you? I looked through each of your sandbox pages within your user space, but I see that they're all currently being used and in the middle of testing things - so I didn't want to mess anything up there. Is there a sandbox or place where I can paste it for you? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:14, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, you can use User:TedEdwards/sandbox8. I'm not using that for anything. Cheers. TedEdwards 15:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards -  Done. Let me know if you need anything else and I'll be happy to help. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:21, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

OK thanks. Yeah, the two template appear similar. Thanks again. TedEdwards 15:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

TedEdwards - You bet; always happy to lend a hand ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

History of African Americans in Los Angeles

Your attention is called to the deficiencies called out in the note above an article upon which you have either worked or left a comment during the past two years. You are invited to correct those deficiencies if you can possible do so. Otherwise, the article may be deleted or severely truncated. The article is History of African Americans in Los Angeles. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 15:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

BeenAroundAWhile - I skimmed through the article's history and I don't think I've made an edit to it at all. Delete or truncate away; I have no ties to it at all. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

TEST

Hi. Can you leave me a test message on my talk page? It's to test out my new alert system I customized. Thanks.--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 23:58, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Hope it works! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Can you try it again? Forgot to clear cache. Thanks. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Thegooduser/common.css can you make sure I did it right? Thank You.--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Done. And at first glance, it looks okay to me. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Gonna Study for my English test tomorrow. What is the shortest block possible here? 30 mins? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

The shortest block possible is one second. lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

What are the requirements to create an article on the simple English Wikipedia? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:11, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The simple-wiki project has different rules and guidelines for creating and editing articles than this project. This guide here on the simple-wiki site should help you understand the big differences between how they operate compared to this project here. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

If you block me for 15 mins, will it affect my account on Wikipedia and say I apply for a user right/ Adminship will this affect the standing of my account? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I thought we talked about that yesterday... you asked the same question... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Thegooduser/sandbox3 Can you check this article? I want to make it for the Simple English Wikipedia. Thanks. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 00:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, it's definitely short (haha). But aside from this, it seems that your're using basic words and doing your best to write in Basic English (which is of big important over there). Keep adding content to it, remember to use basic terms and sentence structure, and I think it'll turn out well. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Can I publish it? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 01:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't see why you couldn't, but I'd recommend asking someone whose more experienced on this project than I am. I'll CC in Vermont, who has a lot more experience there than I do, and who can provide input regarding your creation here. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser, I’d recommend developing it in a sandbox on the Simple English Wikipedia. Also, simple != short. See simple:Ronald Reagan, one of our Very Good Articles (basically FA’s). I’ll note that Simple English does not strictly adhere to Basic English. You can use complex words, but it must be described simply, i.e. linking it to the Simple English Wiktionary or giving the definition in Simple English. For any more questions feel free to contact me on my talk page at the Simple English Wikipedia. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 01:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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Acknowledged. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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Acknowledged. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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 Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:25, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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 Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

R u an admin?

Because I found portions of that article extremely offensive so if you want it neutral let the people have who they want and stop hating on me I'm just trying to say anyone who believes the same as me should understand you sir are being both unreasonable rude and offensive I kindly ask you keep the Wikipedia page "neutral" your friend anonymous Wikipedia user — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awikipidiaeditor (talk • contribs) 05:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Boo!

Happy Halloween!

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Hello Oshwah:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 07:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thanks, Abelmoschus Esculentus! I won't be doing anything special for it... lol. If you plan on doing something, have a fun and save Halloween! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:04, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

hello man

My comment is very constructive. I am living in Romania and this character is becoming a dictator day by day. Any form of resistance or mockery should be encouraged. I truly believe this should be encouraged, not censored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamuraiPhiPi (talk • contribs) 09:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Recent harassment

Hi,

I received my first, uh, piece of Wikipedia "fan mail" and I really appreciate you cleaning it up so quickly, but I have absolutely no idea what it would have been in reference to. Was it just pure harassment, or was there a specific topic they were harassing me about? Do I even need to know?? Thanks again! SportingFlyer talk 09:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi SportingFlyer! No problem; always happy to help! HA! Just wait until you get the level of "fan mail" that I typically get... it's great fun.... lol. It wasn't anything severe. The user just created an account with a username of "SportingFlyerIsA<derogatory term for homosexual>"... haha. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:46, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Definitely saw that in your contributions! Just wondering if there was something I had edited recently that had triggered someone, or if I can check where they may have been posting from. Cheers! SportingFlyer talk 09:48, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

SportingFlyer - Who knows, man... I wish I were able to figure out where I caught the attention of users and made them decide to come troll or trash up my talk page (lol). The user created the account and immediately went to your user talk page to start up shenanigans, so there were no other locations that the user edited. I'd just ignore it and go on with your business as usual. There's no point in trying to figure out trolls... their motivations are usually ridiculous and you're just giving it more thought than you need to, which just gives the troll more of exactly what they want... thoughts and attention. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

G5

Can you delete User:Donotlookback/sandbox as well as User:Donotlookback as G5, thanks. Hhkohh (talk) 10:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hhkohh! Sure,  Done. Just an FYI - it's not necessary to tag page blank page creations like this for G5. It's pointless to spend more time on LTA accounts like this and deleting them if they're blank or include just one character (as you'll typically see); I just leave them and move on ;-). Let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to help. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Oshwah, whose the sock master of that LTA account? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 10:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - No idea. All I know is that it's a sock... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Lol wtf? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 10:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - LOL... trust me, when you deal with as many LTA and sock puppet accounts as I do, you'll know that it becomes hard to remember and keep track of "whose the master of who" and "which LTA this person is". There are many that I keep track of, and it gets to the point (at least for me) where I can identify the typical habits, behaviors, and editing patterns of LTA sock and not know (or really even care) about who it belongs to. ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Well it's just for filling in the "Username of banned user (if available)" in the option "G5: created by banned or blocked user" XD ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 10:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus - Ahhh okay, I understand. I honestly never even bothered filling that part out when I tagged pages for G5. I always tagged pages where it was already blatantly obvious that the account is an LTA or sock puppet and where an admin wouldn't bother to review that part of the tagging. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

No subject

It must have been a mistake, I didn't mean to remove any of your work, my goal was to add to it. if you could add back whatever is missing that would be great since I am not so familiar with this platform. 134.117.249.81 (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! You didn't remove any work that I added or anything; you just removed content from the article and didn't explain why using the edit summary. I was just notifying you that doing so is important, so other editors know what you're doing and why when they go to review your edits - no big deal ;-). Please let me know if you have questions or need help with anything and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Request for page protection

Hey Oshwah, I request you to protect the page Turks in Egypt as many IP are vandalising it.Satin17 (talk) 12:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Satin17! I went ahead and applied semi-protection to the article for a day. This should be long enough for the user involved to move on and for the disruption to stop (it's the same user evading their block and adding the same content). Let me know if I can do anything else for you and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers :-) - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Oshwah.Satin17 (talk) 12:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Satin17 - No problem! Happy editing ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah,one SPI case has been opened by an user who suspects me to be a sock of Knightrises10 but I have never used multiple accounts and the IP is also not checked.Satin17 (talk) 13:13, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Satin17 - There's no need to worry. If you're not evading a block and your account here is not a sock puppet in violation of policy, then you have nothing to worry about and the SPI discussions and findings will show this. Just go about your business and don't let it bother you. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much Oshwah.Satin17 (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Satin17 - You bet :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Wrestling revolution 3D

Hey Oshwah,sorry for disturbing you.I have given my draft: Wrestling revolution 3D for submission can you tell me how much time it will take for review?Satin17 (talk) 16:01, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Satin17! No apologies are necessary; I'm more than happy to help whenever you need it :-). The articles for creation queue is very heavily back-filled at the moment. I can't give you an exact estimate since I'm not active in that project, but I've seen it take anywhere from a few weeks to up to a few months for a submission to be reviewed. This is probably not the current waiting period, but I'm just telling you what I've seen in order to give you an idea. You'll probably get a better timeline by asking someone active at AFC. Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

One last question now I revert Vandalism with Twinkle but I have heard of Huggle which is a more faster tool.How to access Huggle?Satin17 (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Satin17 - You have to be granted the rollback user rights in order to be able to access or use Huggle. That will come to you down the line when you've demonstrated proficiency with recent changes patrolling. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:25, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for answering my questions Oshwah, from now I shall focus on reverting vandalism by following Recent Changes Patrol.Satin17 (talk) 16:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Satin17 - Awesome! Welcome to the recent changes patrolling project! We can use all the help we can get! If you run into any questions regarding recent changes patrolling, please let me know and I'll be happy to help you. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

No subject

Hello Oshwah, are you the main creator of Wikipedia???80.68.51.17 (talk) 16:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Am I the "main creator" of Wikipedia? Nope, I'm just a volunteer editor just like everyone else here. I'm nobody special. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I think they're accusing you of being Jimbo's sockpuppet. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång - *GASP*! It... it's a lie! Don't listen to them, Gråbergs Gråa Sång! I'm innocent, I swear I am!!! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, that hair dost protest too much. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone ratted me out, didn't they?!! We had a deal, SQL! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Boo!

Happy Halloween!

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Hello Oshwah:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – Also to your Huggle software to deal with vandalism on articles to different pages over the years

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iggy the Swan (talk • contribs) 17:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Happy Halloween, Iggy the Swan! I'm not planning on doing anything for it, but if you are - have a fun and safe time! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)