User talk:AAAAA/Archive1

Dr. Michael M. Krop High School

You're probably following the discussion here in VfD, but I thought I'd say the same things here, and at somewhat greater length.

I'm sorry your article was listed for VfD, but articles about high schools are always very risky.

The chance of acceptance depends a lot on how good the article is. Wikipedia:Your first article notes that: "Local-interest articles are articles about places like schools, or streets that are of interest to a relatively small number of people such as alumni or people who live nearby. There is no consensus about such articles, but some will challenge them if they include nothing that shows how the place is special and different from tens of thousands of similar places. Photographs add interest. Try to give local-interest articles local color."

For examples of very good articles about high schools, articles that survived VfD, see Moanalua High School and Montgomery Bell Academy.

The VfD discussion runs for several days before any decision is made, and the article can be improved during that period. If you think you can beef up your article by mentioning a notable alum or two, and something special, almost anything, about the school, go for it. Pretend that your audience is a fellow alumnus. When they look up the high school in Wikipedia, you want them to get a warm fuzzy and have the feeling that the article is really about their school.

Show that you really know this school.

If you don't really know this school then I'd suggest that it is much, much safer to expand one of the articles about a town you have lived in, any town you have lived in.

Most towns in the U.S. have Rambot-written articles, and few of them have any interesting details about the town. And don't worry if it has less than 1111 people; despite the note in Wikipedia:What's in, what's out the Rambot articles are a fait accompli and I don't see anyone deleting them any time soon. Wikipedia:What's in, what's out isn't really a reliable guide; it is at best policy-in-the-making. On the other hand, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not is a very reliable guide to point of policy that most Wikipedians really do agree on. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:29, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• You have been SUPER helpful. I will work on the article --AAAAA 01:59, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• • As it happens, I am in the process of revising my vote right now and I had the VfD page open for edit. I think it's a borderline keep now, and I think you did a good job of revising the article to meet the objections of several editors. I don't think you should be viewing it as some kind of contest or battle. Try to relax, you've probably done as much with this article as you can, unless you can come up with any brainstorms. I suggest you try to avoid too much ego-involvement with this article (that's very easy to say and very hard to do!) and look for something else you can write or edit that will be non-controversial. One other suggestion to avoid VfD: when contributing a new article, wait until it is reasonably finished (say, three paragraphs) before actually creating the article. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:15, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• • • Your comments and suggestions are NOTED and APPRECIATED.

• • • I've had a look at the page, and can see you've done a lot of thorough work on it, but I'm sorry to say it still doesn't make it notable for me. I'm not looking for quantity or depth of detail, more the shining light that says why this is a particularly notable school. I'll congratulate you on the thoroughness, but my opinion of the level of note needed for a school clearly differs on the fundamental level from yours. Average Earthman 12:20, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • You are right. There's nothing really notable about this school, yet. It's too young (only 6 years). But I think it would not hurt anybody if this and all high schools that had somebody write a thorough article on them could "stay". As mentioned in different parts of the discussion, this article is of interest to about 3,000 people every year (1,000 students and their parents). Over 20 years, it will be of interest to more than 50,000. Maybe a few of those will contribute continously to the article. I estimate that eventually Wikipedia will let High Schools "in", as it is customary for Colleges and universities. Why not start now?--AAAAA 12:29, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I'm afraid that I'm keeping my vote as delete. This is not a comment on your article, you've obviously put in a lot of work, but I'm afraid that I'm not convinced that schools become notable until they're in the national media (and preferably international media). As I've said on the VfD page, I think that your info on the STAR programme would be useful merged with the Magnet school article. Perhaps you'd add info on the STAR programme to this page whether or not Dr Krop school is deleted (which it now probably won't be). --G Rutter 07:58, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Problems with High School articles

Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Your answers did not cover my questions. Please also check my comments on another article at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Alonso_High_School and the response by another user. The difficulty is granularity. To cover a 70-year old high school in the depth you are attempting here would probably amount to writing a short book on the school. And yet you have not yet named in full the current teaching staff by department.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't think so. A 70-year old high school would probably have NATIONAL awards, that will REPLACE the State awards currently on the article. It would probaly have Nationally or Internationally famous Ex-Alumni, that will REPLACE the local recipients of $500 grants currently on the article. It might have few instances of events that have some national interest.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I would quite like to see such material existing on the web, but possibly another project than Wikipedia would be the proper forum, just as the rambot articles, really, are not appropriate to Wikipedia though they are tolerated here. The conflict I am having is that I really think that what you are doing is probably about the best that can be done for a normal, non-notable, high school. And it's not encyclopedic because it covers only the present. (This is a problem with many articles in Wikipedia, contributed by editors fixated only on what is current.)Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I think Wikipedia is the perfect place. You are right that the school is still non-notable, but I have no doubt that with years it will have some kind of national interest (as most high schools will, I think).--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Regarding covering the present, the problem is that this school started operations in 1998 (I believe). My main source of information is the web, and it's hard to find articles about events that happened before 2003. I guess that with time that will change. Also, I guess that some students of the school will eventually read the article and contribute to it.

• What your article feels like is the beginning of a kind of web log for Dr. Michael M. Krop High School.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • The difference between a Wikipedia article and a Web Log for a school is that a Web Log would the "journal", and an article evolves (with time) to a more enciclopedic state.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• It would probably be a good thing if every high school and public school and local charity and university club and so forth had one of these.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I would not mind.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• And I would not want Wikipedia to ever become the "main" source of information in the world. (Imagine the edit conflicts! Argggh! Millions of dollars might depend on getting a single line into a Wikipedia article and making it stay there. Kids and teachers at Dr. Michael M. Krop High School in great editorial fights to insure that the entire world sees the correct viewpoint about some event happening in Dr. Michael M. Krop High School that year because on that single article depends how the world views their school. School boards would get in on the act.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • This WILL happen (if not happening right now already). The higher traffic Wikipedia gets (and it is climbing), the higher probability of this occurring. I and believe it WILL happen, eventually.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Should all A students be listed in the article on graduation?Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Maybe the limit will be the size of a Wikipedia article. Maybe these kind of lists will be deleted by average wikipedians. I don't know.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• There would be thousands of undercover Wikipedians paid to assure that what their employers want to appear is what does appear. There are suspicions that some of this is happening now.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I am pretty sure that this is happening already.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• For something comparable, did you know that reviewers for amazon.com are sometimes sent free copies of books by publishers if they will write reviews?Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I didn't know, but I am not surprised.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Fortunately, there will certainly be forks in Wikipedia's future and competing projects or partially competing projects, partly because no volunteer project could sustain the kind of pressure of being anything close to the single source of information on all topics. The pressure alone would be hideously counter-productive. Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I agree.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• And mirror sites will want to mirror something different to stand out, not just Wikipedia. What value to be just another of hundreds of mirror sites showing exactly the same Wikipedia content? But part of what Wikipedia must not do now is to try to be everything. There has been for a while a split on VfD between the "every high school is notable and deserves an article" group and "most high schools are not notable". The not-notable votes have tended to be outvoted resulting in keeping of what were often only stubs which never did get fixed up and only get in the way of people searching on the web for information on a school when the same bad stub comes up again and again on Wikipedia mirrors. Currently, the tendency seems to be the other way, for the first time, I think, perhaps because it has become more and more obvious that these articles don't get cleared up and that no-one knows what good articles would be for ordinary schools. The path you are following, that of recording the news of a single school year, seems to me far too granular for the Wikipedia project, to be unsustainable, unless you intend a master article on each school with dependant articles for every school year. If so, you should indicate this.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I have no intention of writing an article on EACH school. For now, I am only interested in ONE school. But I am already working on getting other people involved, so the article keeps evolving for years to come.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• But eventually downloading of every high school yearbook into Wiki-source or a comparable project will probably happen.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Probably.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• The problem is that the issue is bigger than your article alone. What kind of encyclopedia article can one write about a normal high school that is not simply what is happening at the moment? Do we want mere lists of minutiae for every year for each high school? Yes, we do, if we want to find that minutiae. It would be helpful if this were on the web. But should it be in Wikipedia?Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • My opinion here is again that although at the beginning you get minutiae, since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, with time contributors will replace MINOR information with more important and relevant information. Some information currently in the article will survive, some will be replaced. And not every high school will include an article. I think that even now, Wikipedia contains articles that all Wikipedians until today have written because they wanted. There are many things or events in the world that probably deserve a space in Wikipedia, but no one has written about it yet. What I am saying is: If there is interest in a High School, let the interested Wikipedian write about it and don't destroy his/her work. Maybe only a few High Schools will get a Wikipedia article. Maybe many. But why should we bother about the ones that nobody has written about yet? Let the interested parties write about them.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, on the topic you have chosen, the excellence of what you are doing is far from the only issue. Are you producing an excellent article of a kind that should not actually be in Wikipedia but in some other more specialized project?Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Maybe, but I don't see another medium for it yet. I have contributed on different articles in Wikipedia, and just recently decided on creating an article about this school, and make it better than the school's own web site, make it informative, interesting, and of Wikipedia value. But it obviously takes time.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I, AAAAA, have copied below what Jallan wrote at the Vfd discussion in another school, for further reference.

• • I vote to delete most high school articles not just because the article is a stub but because most schools are not notable and won't ever ever generate an encyclopedia article beyond a bad stub.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Maybe bad stubs should be deleted. I would not mind. But an article with a lot of effort into it, let it live.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• • Most high schools are normal high schools much like any other normal high school. People mostly neither know nor care about any of them individually. Those who care about a particular school are mostly those employed at that school or by the local Board of Education or who are attending that particular school during a few years of their lives at most. Immediate family also care while a child or sibling is attending such a school. But most don't think that their school is special or notable or stands out. That most high school articles are uniformative stubs reflects the fact that the editor writing such an article either doesn't care much or just can't make a good article from information easily available oor both. What people do care about is their own years in "high school" in general rather than about the history of the particular high school or high schools that they attended.Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • In this case, this high school produces about 1000 graduates every year. This means that about 1000 prospective students (maybe more, because some have interested but never enroll) and their parents have some interest every year. Then, they have interest during the course of the years the student is attending. Then, they have interest after graduating, because the school is always part of their personal histories. So, in this case, 3000 people become interested every year. Over the course of 20 years it is 60,000 people that have or might have interest in the school at one point in their lives. And this doesn't count the people that might have interest in the school of an ex-alumni that suddenly becomes famous and starts appearing in the media.--AAAAA 21:17, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• • Notable high schools, like notable people, or notable organizations of any kind, would be those mentioned in media as being recognized for some reason other than merely existing and performing their normal, mundane functions. The repetative litany that "high schools are notable" is belayed by the substance of most Wikipedia high school articles which don't provide any reason why a particular high school is notable and often don't say much at all. An encyclopedia article should not provide only the minutiae of present day information such as the name of the current prinipal and whether a football team is doing well, all likely to be out of date even a year from now. Yet a history of a high school would be mostly nothing but such disjointed minutiae: names of principals, lists of teaching staff, awards won each year by teams or bands or clubs, average grades obtained compared to other schools, additions and renovations of the building, and so forth. Such an article would be encyclopedic. But people don't write them. Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • As mentioned before, after 20 years of starting operations, a high school would be of interest or potential interest to at least 50,000 people. And with the growth in Wikipedia an in Wikipedian numbers, I am sure that articles of high schools will eventually evolve to become more "encyclopedic"--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• • And there's no point in retaining bad stubs when it would be just as easy for a knowledgeable editor to start an article fresh. Wikipedia is not improved by bad articles that don't improve and are unlikely to improve. Jallan 19:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • I agree. Bad stubs should probably be removed. Articles with quite a lot of work on them should remain.--AAAAA 21:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

User:Aaaaa

A sock puppet was masquerading as you on the VfD pages, going by the name of User:Aaaaa. I have blocked him indefinitely. RickK 05:57, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

I can only assume that they thought that they could pass their vote off as you and so it would be counted (we don't count VfD votes of sock puppets). Yes, I'm a sysop, which is why I can block people. You are not a sysop yet because you haven't been here long enough, so, no, you can't block people. RickK 06:05, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

Try to relax on the Dr. Michael M. Krop High School

At this point, you've put a lot of work into improving the article. Things are more or less out of your hands. Improving the article was a useful thing to do. Trying to answer every delete vote in the VfD discussion isn't. It won't do your cause any good; it won't do it much harm, either, but it is stressful to you and to those reading the article.

Wikipedians vary as to what they think about high schools. You are not the only one who thinks all high school articles should be kept. But not all of us do, virtually all the things that can be said about high schools have been said, and it doesn't seem to change opinions.

One thing you can do, by the way, is put the article on your own user page, or a subpage of your user page. If you're not sure how to do this, ask. Within very broad limits people can put anything they like on their user page, as long as they don't try to store dozens of megabytes or try to use it as a personal website.

By the way, whatever you do, do not create sockpuppets (multiple accounts to allow one person to give the appearance of casting several votes). Wikipedians really, really hate that. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 15:45, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Yeah, we really hate that! Dpbsmith002 15:20, 26 Sep 2004
• We hates it, we does! Dpbsmith003 15:21, 26 Sep 2004
• You can say that again! ARealUser 15:22, 26 Sep 2004
• We hates it, we does! Dpbsmith003 15:23, 26 Sep 2004
• I'm glad I'm not a sockpuppet! CertainlyNotASockpuppet 15:24, 26 Sep 2004

BEEFSTEW, etc.

Let me repeat: don't knock yourself out. BEEFSTEW is only my personal opinion, and I've already voted keep on the article. I think it's about a 50/50 coinflip now whether the article will be kept. Your ability to affect the outcome at this point is very limited. Just take Dr. Michael M. Krop High School off your watchlist and wait and see what happens.

You are going to be very bummed out if it is deleted, and at this point if you put more work into it you'll just get more bummed out.

In Wikipedia, edits happen. If you get emotionally involved in any particular edit or article or phrasing and try to conduct a personal crusade to keep it the way you think it should be, the results will not make you happy.

Wikipedia cannot be controlled. To enjoy working on Wikipedia, you have to accept that fact that people are going to do things you don't like.

Try working on something that's a slam-dunk: for example, find an article that you know you can improve, one that you can be sure people will see your edits as improvements.

Your wiki-editing and language skills are fine, but Dr. Michael M. Krop High School is a borderline topic and there's not much you can do about it beyond what you've done.

Just my $0.02. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:14, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I agree with you 100%. However, I don't like things done half way. I HAVE to put all my effort into what I start. That's the way I am. If at the end the article gets deleted, then I guess there was nothing else I could do. I will not die or cry if that happens. At least I know I put all my effort.--AAAAA 16:26, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My tribute to you

I hope you recognize in that last sentence my tribute to you personally. And a tip of my hat to you. ---Rednblu 22:23, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Stu Ungar image

I'm not sure that image of Stu Ungar is fair use. Several of the images on the page that is on are taken from other websites and news sources. I've contacted both him and the owner of this site where he originally took it from. I'll let you know what I hear back from them. If you have any additional information, let me know.

• You are probably right. I don't have any additional information. I stumbled upon the Stu Ungar page by pressing "Random Page". I thought it might be nicer with a picture.--AAAAA 23:11, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Incidentally, I'm currently trying to get permission to use poker photos from various places, and I'm working on poker player bios.. you may be interested in User:CryptoDerk/poker. Cheers. CryptoDerk 23:06, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

• Nice. I will check it out.--AAAAA 23:11, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Fluoride poisoning

I took out virtually all of this article, which read like the beginning of an anti-public fluoridation argument. Please try to make this into an article, not a position statement on a controversial topic. - DavidWBrooks 21:39, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I didn't know it was controversial. Just today somebody asked me about this issue, and I found out that there was nothing on Wikipedia, so I decided to create a stub article.
  • I will reinstate most of what I put there, but will change it in a way that doesn't look controversial. Feel free to include as much information as you can on it.

Note that somebody has changed the page into a redirect to a long, long article about water fluoridation. Wikipedia has gotten so huge that often there are articles touching on areas that we think are new - it's worth the effort to do a series of searches before creating an article, to see if it exists in a slightly different name. This wasn't a problem when I started on wikipedia, more than a year and a half ago; back then it was EASY to think of new articles! - DavidWBrooks 23:08, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Fine, I'll VFD it if you insist. Rhobite 02:48, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

Lori Berenson

I noticed that you've been conflicting with User:Neutrality as to whether this article should be included under Category:Terrorists. Is it just this particular inclusion that you disagree on? You've already reverted from the removal of the category several times, so it would be great if you could instead resolve this on the article's talk page. Please let's try to avoid edit wars, and not violate the three-per-day reversion rule. Thanks! Postdlf 14:49, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I agree with you. This should be resolved on the article's talk page. However, User:Neutrality has made NO ATTEMPT to respond to my personal messages or the postings I have made in the article talk page.--AAAAA 15:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Vote: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis

See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 11:39, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Need for support

Please see: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK. Thank you. IZAK 02:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Shining Path

Please see my comment at Talk:Shining Path#Recently added link: dubious description. -- Jmabel 01:11, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC) I appreciate your rapid response. So when you looked at that site, didn't it look damned unlikely for the PCE? (BTW, it might be worth some research to work out just who the Bandera Roja folk are.) -- Jmabel 01:21, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sam Spade

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sam Spade

Vote "NO". Opposed to SamSpade's unfriendly views in the Jew article. IZAK 08:38, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hey, I noticed you are undecided. I was wondering if there was any questions I could answer to your satisfaction? Sam [Spade] 16:31, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

About "SamSpade"

Dear AAAAA: Thank you for asking me more about "SamSpade": In response to your questions:

Please see User:Spleeman/Sam Spade: Particularly: User:Spleeman/Sam Spade#Political bias:

• "From Sam's own user page: User:Sam_Spade/Theoretical_Biases
• Removes references to groups such as the KKK as "right-wing" [1]
• Attempts to sugarcoat racist views [2]
• The claim the Geli Raubal was Hitler's mistress is just that, a claim [3].
• Wants Hitler labeled as a socialist on the communism page (see Talk:Communism)
• Insists on including his personal theories regarding a relationship between nazism and Chinese communism in nazism article:
  • User_talk:Andries#Nazism.2FChina
  • Talk:Nazism#China
• From Talk:Socialism:
  • "I intend to do what I always have, which is insist that the Nazi's were socialist because... they were." (Sam Spade 00:32, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC))
• Called another editor a "fascist" (Talk:Socialism#protection). This is similar to his attempts to try to provoke me by implying that I was a nationalist, or not an anarchist:
  • "Enforcing american spelling is a sign of nationalism, and would therefore seem to suggest your not an anarchist? Or perhaps your a "anarcho-nationalist"? ;p" (Sam Spade 08:06, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC), User_talk:Spleeman#Nationalism)
  • "Censorship isn't very anarchist" (Sam Spade 23:25, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC), Talk:Anarchism/Archive10#deleting_links)
• More on belief in non-racial eugenics: Why Sam is Right Wing (a list by User:Stopthebus18)
  • Stopthebus18: "People (including our country) have done horrible things in the name of eugenics." (StoptheBus18 16:02, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC))
  • Sam Spade: "Seems to work in Singapore. Bad things have been done in the name of all sorts of medicine, but we don't stop going to the doctor, do we?" (Sam Spade 17:21, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC))
• Guess what everybody!!! "The attempt to paint them [the Nazis] as "reactionaries" is a propagandistic fraud." (Sam Spade 16:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC), Talk:Nazism) Wow! You learn something new everyday.... Not.
• Hmm. For some reason, Sam doesn't want anybody to know that white-supremacist Wolfgang Droege was involved in drug trafficking [4]."

And User:Spleeman/Sam Spade#Racism/Anti-Semitism:

• "Primitive man is also backwards, diseased and superstitious, having many obvious drawbacks which incline most indigenous people to embrace the modern life." (Sam Spade 17:48, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
• Thinks Holocaust deniers should be treated as equally credible to mainstream historians, whom he refers to as "Jewish organizations". [5] (Talk:Jew#call_a_spade_a_spade)
• Quotes:
  • "The term "Holocaust" is always POV." (Sam Spade 22:18, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC), Talk:Jew) Really? I didn't know that!
  • "It would almost never apply in an NPOV, encyclopedic sense, but might in cases of people being vigorously hacked apart, which is not what the nazi's generally did. They mainly worked people to death in reletively unhealthful conditions, gassing the weak (young, old, disabled, etc...). I don't find "slaughter" much more relevent in an encyclopedic sense here than it would be in describing... say the slave ships carrying africans to the new world." (Sam Spade 23:38, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC), Talk:Jew#call_a_spade_a_spade)
• Sam uses edit wars and other tactics, such as placing warnings at the tops of articles, to bully his opponents into accepting his POV. Recently, on the Jew page, he placed a "totally disputed" warning on the page [6] because of two sentences he didn't like (Talk:Jew#disputed_sentances). When another editor removed the warning, Sam reverted the page [7] and added an "attention" warning [8]. Another editor put it best when reverting this silliness: "An article doesn't become totally disputed and in need of attention because someone stumbles across it and doesn't like one sentence."

"(Israel) in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then.."

Please see History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict#The war for Palestine where User:HistoryBuffer insists on inserting: that Israel "in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then attacked Israel."...When no-one but he says this, and refuses to accept anything else. He also isnsists on editing-away lots of NPOV's that don't suit him, take a look at [9] please as this relates to this subject.IZAK 08:26, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Flecainide

Hi AAAAA, I was wondering what to do with flecainide. At the moment, it requires some attention. Do you have any plans, or can I have a go? JFW | T@lk 22:08, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• I just restored a lot of information that Matt Kingston made me take out. Please, DO REWRITE NOW! I always wanted to have somebody edit the work that took me a long time to compile. It does have a few complete paragraphs that I copied and pasted from other web sites, so make sure the rewrite touches every sentence, so we remain with "original" work. If you can add even more information. Great. Whenever I do an article, I always like it to be AS COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE.--AAAAA 15:01, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Please don't rush me... I'm not actually the best person to write about Flecainide - Ksheka is. For the moment, I'll be rewriting sentences for clarity, probably eliminating some stuff, and checking references. This will take some time, and may suffer backlog with RecentChanges/Watchlist and other patrolling that I do as an admin. JFW | T@lk 15:21, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

AAAAA, could you please stop adding copyright violations? It's not a few "complete paragraphs," you pasted in pages upon pages of info from RXlist and other commercial sources with no attribution. Making a trivial change to each sentence is still plagiarism and a copyright violation. If I take a Beatles song and I change the first note, it's still a Beatles song. Rhobite 15:27, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

See my message to Rhobite. I agree that the page was unsustainable due to copied sources, but rewriting is happening at present employing the copied sources, and very soon it will look like a "normal" Wikipedia medication article. JFW | T@lk 16:33, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

AAAAA, completeness is no excuse for copying other people's work. Furthermore, the page in its present form is much too long, repetitive and confusing. When I've got time, I will complete my reworking, but please accept that your approach was not the correct one by copying stuff from all over the web. JFW | T@lk 07:40, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

AAAAA, you said "My reasoning is that information copied from a manufacturer that can promote the use of a product is FAIR USE." Unfortunately you are wrong. Fair use isn't about whether you think copying is beneficial, it's about the scope of the copying and the impact it has. Sites like RXList sell subscriptions and services. Copying whole articles from their site could negatively impact their sales - therefore it's not fair use, no matter how hard you wish it were. Rhobite 17:31, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

AAAAA, I'm not sure if it's fair to call Rhobite and MattKingston "Destroyers". In the form you wrote flecainide, the article was a copyright problem. Wikipedia can run into legal trouble for plagiarism of websites, especially (but not exclusively) if these sites have invested money in gathering the relevant information. A glance at the WikiEN mailing list will confirm that various companies (and art galleries) have sent email to Jimbo for copyvios, and theoretically, 3M could do the same. We therefore need very close checks on copied information. Please keep on working on articles, but do respect the copyrights policy. It will save you the aggravation and the administrators the disagreeable job of having to police on others. JFW | T@lk 13:39, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Seniocracy, Seniomeritocracy

Hi there. I came across these two articles while browsing, as I was interested when I found links to terms that I had never seen before. From further searching, it seems that the only place they appear on the Internet is here on Wikipedia (and its mirrors). Can you confirm that these concepts actually "exist", and are suitable encyclopedia topics? Thanks for your help. AlexG 00:33, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• I believe I read about them somewhere (printed, non-internet), but at the moment I don't remember. At one point I searched in Wikipedia and didn't find anything about them, so I decided to create an article. They seem like valid concepts to me. What do you think?--AAAAA 03:59, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Furthermore, another 3 contributing wikipedians added info to the articles. So I guess these concepts probably seem valid to them too.--AAAAA 04:21, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm going to look at some books to see if I can find these terms there. I think the concepts are interesting but it would be nice to be able to give references to people who've researched such systems, or even used them in practice. Am I right in thinking that the difference between seniocracy and gerontocracy is that the former is about weighting votes by age, whereas the latter involves restricting power to older people only? AlexG 20:34, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I will try to find the reference where I read about them. At the moment I don't really remember. I just remembered the concepts because I found them very interesting.

Regarding Seniocracy vs Gerontocracy, what you state is exactly what I understand. Example of Gerontocracies can be found in many old cultures, at the tribes level, where the "governing council" was comprised of one ore more of the oldest people in the tribe. As far as I know, Seniocracy is hypothetical. I have not read about an actual culture or nation using that system. However, in a way, any system that gives advantages because of Seniority could be in a sense considered as a Seniocracy.--AAAAA 03:32, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Protecting pages..."the wrong version"

Protecting any page will result in the the the wrong version. The "wrong version" was protected because it was on that version that I'd happened to stumble upon the page. 172 08:02, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC).

• Then the rule should change to: Protect the version that was there BEFORE the edit war started.

See these six categories up for "votes of deletion":

See these six categories up for "votes of deletion":

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorist_organizations and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Middle_East_terrorists and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Terrorist_organizations and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Islamic_terrorist_organizations and this one too: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Jewish_terrorist_organizations

IZAK 10:10, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Opinion for IZAK

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK/Evidence. Thank you. IZAK 07:13, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr arbitration

As you've mentioned HistoryBuffEr quite recently, I thought you'd want to know that I've asked for Arbitration on HistoryBuffEr. You'll find the relevant section on WP:RFAR. Jayjg 19:44, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Shorne

• I protected Abimael Guzman and Shining Path... What you've pointed out on my talk page is factually correct, but since I've acted as an administrator in protecting the pages, I'm required to stay impartial to both sides in the dispute. I can try to mediate, though. 172 05:44, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• I notice that Shorne didn't edit Shining Path but did edit Abimael Guzmán some but played a relatively minor role. I don't know a lot about either subject but I do note that you are focusing on the word terrorist quite a bit. I think this emphasis on one word is unjustified. For example in 1984 the Peruvian army carried out a series of mass killing of peasants in Ayacucho, announcing that if at least 3 out of every 60 killed were guerillas then the killings were justified, page 679, The Black Book of Communism ISBN 0674076087. I really don't think those who resist such savagery can be characterized as terrorists or at least not any more than the Peruvian army could be. They are Maoist guerillas who were attempting a Marxist-Leninist revolution. It is predictable given their political orientation that once in power there would be a great deal more killing (and also quick collapse of their new regime) but that is not encyclopedic knowledge. Fred Bauder 13:03, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

• I no longer edit on historical-political subjects, mainly because I am sick of dealing with idiots like Shorne. I believe there is a proceedings going on to have him banned. You should take the matter up there. Try asking User:Fred Bauder. Adam 05:28, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Just wanted to say good job taking this guy on. If Shorne and his ilk (such as "Ruy Lopez", the latest account created by a recurring commie troll) are allowed to run wild, it will be the ruin of Wikipedia. I doubt there will be policies in place anytime soon to get rid of such users, so we're left to taking them on head-to-head. VeryVerily 09:53, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Shining Path again

Please look at Talk:Shining_Path#Larouchie_document. I'm pretty sure you will understand why I don't think this document should be linked, but if you want to debate it on that talk page, I'm (reluctantly) willing. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:41, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Unverified images

Hi. You uploaded Image:Boris2.gif but did not list any source and/or copyright information on the image description page. Please mark it either as GFDL or public domain. See Image copyright tags for more info. If the image was uploaded in error or cannot be licensed for use on Wikipedia, please add it to images for deletion. Please note that images without copyright information may be deleted in the future. Thanks. RedWolf 02:27, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Web traffic

You've made some very good additions to the web traffic article in the past. I was wondering if you had any references (books, links, etc.) that you could add to the page – I'm hoping we can get it to be a featured article and think it may need some more. Thanks for any help you can give. violet/riga (t) 01:16, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Seniomeritocracy citations

Ported from the Talk page:

You wrote it from memory, in such detail? Inspired by some source long ago that you can't remember? Interesting set of memory skills you got there.

Permit me a little skepticism here about the inherent contradiction. If it made such a strong impression, you ought to be able to narrow down the possible sources, hmm? Was it from college reading? If so, what class? If not, what sorts of publications could you be reading where it would come up?

And might I reiterate that if this concept was not notable enough to get "traction", as you put it, then by definition it's not really notable enough for Wikipedia, so you need some citations to back it up. Just a heads up there. --Calton 15:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I also am forced to question the verifiability of this article. A google search returns only Wikipedia and its mirrors. Rossami (talk) 01:15, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

(Porting done by Calton 04:01, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC))

• Follow-up questions and rebuttals are now on the Talk:Seniomeritocracy Calton 06:04, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

VfD on Jewish ethnocentrism

There is currently a VfD on Jewish ethnocentrism. You'll find the voting, and discussion, at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jewish ethnocentrism. Jayjg ^(talk) 16:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VFDs on Seniocracy and Seniomeritocracy

It looks like both articles are going to be deleted, if I'm counting the votes correctly, so I've taken the liberty (hopefully not violating any Wiki etiquette) of saving the text in your User Space:

User:AAAAA/Seniocracy User:AAAAA/Seniomeritocracy

I urge you investigate posting these in Wikinfo, if you haven't already. --Calton 00:19, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Atrial fibrillation

Please do not post references that are not actually being referred to. You do not say what facts are being referenced. JFW | T@lk 15:11, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Shining Path

Sorry, but this is a blatant POV edit and I reverted it: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maoism&curid=46636&diff=0&oldid=0 I have no sympathy at all for the methods of SL, but we can identify and refer to the organization without resorting to inflammatory language. Please try to keep your own personal opinions in check and allow people to arrive at their own conclusions. Thanks. -- Viajero 09:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Article about Fujimori

Somebody (AKA Viajero) continued to revert every thing that is modify, an this is really bad for Wikipedia. I would like you to help me to achive a NPOV of the page. Besides that, he don't even bother to disscus why did he objected so much about the former president. Thanks a lot for your support ! Please tell me in what other articles can I help you. Messhermit 16:52, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Not only that, but he and some other guys (for example Ruy Lopez) continue to fight to avoid mentioning that Shining Path, MRTA, Abimael Guzman and the like are terrorists. They like to call them "revolutionary" or "guerrilla". They should simply be called by that they are: Terrorists!--AAAAA 15:25, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Once Again, I see that your contributions were blocked by Viajero. Please, Spare some of your time and make another apport for the talk page, Viajero is really trying to make loose my patience, since he is eveng appoplogising those terrorist as an "armed struggle" and saying that the next time, the peruvian people won't beat. By this, he already stated that he is completely with not knownledge of Peru. Messhermit 16:21, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We need your help on this crusade

Hello and greetings, we have a situation in Alberto Fujimori discussion forum, i am supporter of the best president of all time, however there are still controversies from opposers , and not NPOV people on here, and yes i am talking about this user in particular User:Viajero, i would like you please come and help us with arguments to defend. HappyApple 03:11, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• I don't know if Fujimori is the best President of all time, but I don't like that he is portrayed as a totally bad guy. He did many good things, and he did some bad ones (as associate himself to Montesinos, for example). But in general, I believe he saved the country from chaos and made it back to a normal country.--AAAAA 15:26, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Mosix.gif

Please could you provide information on the source and copyright of this image. — Zeimusu | Talk 02:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Mosix.gif

Please could you provide information on the source and copyright status of this image. — Zeimusu | Talk 02:42, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• I honestly don't remember. At the time I uploaded it, I didn't know about the issue of copyright tags. I believe it was a government website, but it might have been a university. I don't really know. Sorry :( --AAAAA 04:34, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I need your help urgently

Hello, this is Messhermit. Viajero and Jmabel have initiate actions to ban me from wikipedia becouse I don't share their POV and becouse I'm the only one that have caused them troubles to modify most of this pages freely. Please, I would greatly appreciate that you can state your support for me in this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Messhermit . Messhermit 01:57, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fujimori article

If you prefer not to get involved in the discussion process on the Talk page of Alberto Fujimori, that is your decision. However, it is highly inappropriate for you to edit the article freely while those of us who are in discussion refrain from doing so. Use some common sense please. -- Viajero 13:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I say it is highly inappropriate for you to revert my edits without a reason. Who are you, the OWNER of the article?--AAAAA 12:02, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Improving article about Fujimori

Hello, and greetings. I think Fujimori was a great president, however discussion about his presidency is very controversial, the most important is have an accurate neutral point of view, which i consider User:Viajero doesn't have, i think your contributions AAAAA are very valuable to the article, and if you feeling some kind of harassment from this kind of users, please dont hesitate to quote arguments from Viajero, treats are not arguments Viajero , treats are the word for those who are not civilized.HappyApple 03:59, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Lipkany

• Halló AAAAA! Going trough Category:Cities in Moldova and inserting Template:Wrongtitle wherever I could I found Lipkany. Thanks! I am an administrator at ro: and eo:. Feel free to contact me whenever necessary.
• It is the first time that I noticed the notes in the footer at [10]. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 05:54, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

Article

Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Jayjg ^(talk) 15:07, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Requesting help over here urgently

Hello and greetings =)
I am peruvian student of the National University of Saint Mark in Lima, Peru. I wish to have your personal opinion about the naming policy of calling the university Saint Mark instead San Marcos, i am supporting Saint Mark based in the opinion of the Catholic Church(which has been the institution that aproved the name in the first place). A precedent of anglicise the name.[[11]] is an article from Catholic Encyclopedia, i would ask your opinion from a peruvian to peruvian.

User:Viajero without reach a compromise or even a civilized talk is attempting to destroy all the places in which the anglicise name of Saint Mark to San Marcos exists using the arguments i am dissobey rules of naming policies, However i must remind that in the top of this rules (that he quotes) it said this

Naming convention are not rules written in stone ... and there may be cases where a particular convention is "obviously" inappropriate.

I dont think so i deserve to be treated this way.

It is not fair if i disagree with somebody i deserve to be a candidate to be under pressure to be banned.

Please it is urgently to have your opinion to support Saint Mark about this in the following link Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Interpretation of WP Naming_policies.HappyApple 05:38, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Altough I have disagreed with User:Viajero in other points, this time I agree with him. I believe "San Marcos" is more appropriate. Sorry HappyApple :( --AAAAA 06:16, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I have a similar opinion, AAAAA, but the real problem is not the name: is the fact that Viajero wants to bann HappyApple just becouse of this, next with his friend Jmabel (that has nothing to do with the article on question). I belive that this is a sort of Abuse against me and HappyApple due to the fact that we are new users. A piped link those no harm to anyone, and that is what HappyApple has being doing: just using the Name "Saint Mark" to link it to the "San Marcos" Article. I believe that the entire name of the university should not be change, that is correct (and HappyApple has never said that it should be change on the Article of the University), but a pipe link is not enough motive to bann someone. Viajero is intolerant and only want to see its own POV on the articles that he like to see them. Please, we need your help with this. Messhermit 15:28, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • A Pipe Link is something like you put a name (lets say "university of Saint Mark") and it would led you to the "Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos". I see no harm on those links, becouse of one way to another, it would led you to the right page. I can't understand how you wanna ban somebosy becouse he tried to do this. Please, just help me to avoid his discriminatory acts against HappyApple, just becouse he doesn't think like him. Messhermit 17:24, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • There is another problem also. Two other Users have appear (from nowhere) and modify the page, supporting Viajero POV. I can't rv more than 2 times, becouse It would be a violation and I don't wann gave Viajero another excuse to attack me. a RfC is enough. Please, delete those paragraphs that talk about a "picture with death bodies" to boost his image. And keep an eye on the page. I can't fight 4 persons at the same time. I will appreciate. Messhermit 17:50, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"terrorist"

This issue has been discussed at length at various times w.r.t. various articles by many editors. Please see Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Terrorist for a summary. In casual speech, I use the word "terrorist" like anyone else. Here, I think we have to be more circumspect. Personally, I believe US government has at various times committed terrorist acts, such as mining the harbor of Managua in 1980s, and supported terrorists, like the Contras. If we are to be consistent, we should therefore also label the US government a "terrorist organization". Am I in favor of that? No, because it would alienate part of our audience, namely Americans who don't understand it. I would prefer in this case, as in most others, to present the facts and let the reader draw his/her own conclusions. As has been noted over and over again here, "terrorist" is a highly subjective term; it depends a lot on your point of view. If you ask me conversationally if I think Shining Path are terrorists, I would say of course they are -- but that is just my POV. -- Viajero 16:07, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

To further comment on what Viajero said: "guerrilla" describes the military strategy of a movement; "subversive" describes its attitude towards the existing political system, or existing power relations; "terrorist" describes a movement's use of violent means, or, more precisely, its use of violent means to terrorize the population. Note that "guerrilla" has less of a positive connotation in English-speaking countries than in parts of Latin America; thus, somebody who calls the Shining Path a "guerrilla" movement is not (generally speaking) praising it.

My assessment would be that (a) the Shining Path was both subversive and terrorist in the strict sense of the word; it could be called a guerrilla in the broad sense of the word, but did not follow classical guerrilla tactics; (b) the MRTA was a subversive guerilla that used violent means; once the movement was in disarray, some of its columns used murder to terrorize populations (vd. Ashaninkas), but the strategy of the MRTA was not terrorist, either in its origins or in the overall picture; (c) the Peruvian military was neither subversive nor, of course, a guerrilla movement, but used terrorist tactics from very nearly the beginning of the war with the Shining Path, and did so with such consistency (and, mind you, often according to a state-terrorist strategy) that it could fairly be called terrorist.

This does not mean, of course, that I favour the MRTA. Perhaps it would be best to call the Shining Path "subversive" throughout, and leave it at that. Hasdrubal 23:49, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

FYI, please see the comment by William Buckland on Talk:Terrorism in which he schematically examines the term. -- Viajero 13:32, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

San Marcos University

Please vote on the San Marcos/Saint Mark issue on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Voting. Thank you. --Tuomas ^hello 02:46, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

About Belaunde

Could you give me a hand with the Belaunde Page? The former president is now being destroyed by Viajero. thanks Messhermit 20:56, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Arequipa's Cathedral

Hello! I saw the recent change you did to Arequipa Cathedral. I was looking around the web and some call it "Cathedral San Francisco de Arequipa." While others simply call it cathedral. Do you think we should change the name in the article? I think it would be tter to call the catedral by its name instead of just "cathedral." Sonesta Posada del Inca, a hotel just next to the Main Square, calls it "Cathedral San Francisco de Arequipa," and I'm assuming that's the correct name, too. What do you think? --Dynamax 19:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Zaklikow

All I know about Zaklikow comes from the Web, specifically from the links you have added to the article. But I do know Polish, so I can translate a few things. I would be happy to contribute some improvements. Balcer 21:40, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

issues about school articles

In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).

I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:32, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio issue

Thanks for the heads-up on that "copyvio." I overstruck the notice on the copyvio page but I forgot to revert the article. Best, Lucky 6.9 04:01, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Peruvian Wikipedians

Hello! I thought you might interested in adding your self to the Peruvian Wikipedian's list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Peru

FWIW, I want you to know that I didn't come up with that text about Fujimori wanting to arrest Alan G; it was in the article that Messhermit spun off -- I assume he added it -- and I only did him the courtesy of restoring all of his text to the AF article. As an aside, I find it highly ironical that most people then supported his arrest, since he now appears to be the leading candidate to become the next president of Peru. -- Viajero | Talk 17:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

School articles

You may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments. — Sebastian (talk) 08:40, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Linkspam

If its the same linkspammer that keeps on adding to the articles, we could probably get an admin to block the IP address. Otherwise, just keep an eye on the article and keep reverting I suppose. ElBenevolente 30 June 2005 16:57 (UTC)

I don't know how to contact an Admin. If you know, please do it. There's one guy doing it repeatedly.--AAAAA 1 July 2005 01:53 (UTC)

You can file a Wikiquette alert. See Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts--AI 5 July 2005 09:27 (UTC)

Opposing forces

Saw that you changed the category of Abimael Guzman and some other terrorists to "Peruvian Terrorists". Good work! Hope that all these wackos out there protecting terrorists(supposedly in the good name of wikipedia or maybe because they are or they like terrorists) don't start reverting it. I wasted a lot of my time fighting with some of them.--AAAAA 4 July 2005 04:52 (UTC)

Thanks, such categorization is imminent. Take a look at Category:Terrorists by nationality. Regardless of any reverts, "wackos" are resultant dismissed when faced objectively. Keep persisting and in the end they will have wasted more time of their own than yours.--AI 5 July 2005 06:17 (UTC)

Justified categorization

Category:People imprisoned for terrorism. I had to put some people in this category because at the time I could not label them terrorists. I believe they might just be changed to terrorists. This category seems redundant to me. What you think? Would you label Lori Berenson as a terrorist? Born in the U.S.A., but acted in Peru. Would she be an American Terrorist or Peruvian Terrorist or both or none?--AAAAA 5 July 2005 07:30 (UTC)

IMHO, I would not label Lori Berenson as a terrorist because she was not immediately involved in any terrorist acts but only allegations based on circumstantial evidence. It appears she is a terrorist supporter, maybe a Category:Terrorist supporters can be created. There are many people and organizations who have proven to be terrorist supporters. I don't think Category:People imprisoned for terrorism is redundant because not all terrorists have been imprisoned. I find that multiple categorization is acceptable if definitive. Besides, it ensures listing in categories is consistent with the many lists of people. Also take a look at Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes--AI 5 July 2005 08:11 (UTC)

People's War

I described some of the ways that Sendero used to achieve his goals. I hope that it could solve some of the dispute. Messhermit 7 July 2005 18:58 (UTC)

CfD

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 15#Category:Peruvian terrorists. It wasn't that hard to find. -- Viajero | Talk 09:19, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

• OK. Understood. Question: How do you find a category that was deleted?--AAAAA 19:11, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I went to Category:Peruvian terrorists and clicked on "What links here". -- Viajero | Talk 14:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Krop =

Sorry about the deletion. I'm trying to make an article for all the schools in the county, and I was trying to go for a more uniformed look. I felt that some of the information deleted is cluttered and irrelevent, such as specific student achievements; only school achievements should be noted, or group achievements. The article becomes full of lenghty, sometimes useless information when you note such specific details. Also, I think the deleted section needs to be rewritten for better wording. If you'd like, try to blend in all the information into shoter paragraphs without making so many subcategories, especially dedicating an entire subcategory to just one sentence, this makes the article look very cluttered. You can keep the information about students that went to MIT and Harvard, and the visit by the Prince of Monaco, as well as the information on the school's naming, bomb threats, and the magnet program but all that information on students receiving awards really pertains more to the specific student than the school. Once that student graduates, his or her achievement becomes irrelevant to the school. Also, can you help me create articles for the lists on the M-DCPS page. Right now, I'm working on high schools and my friend is working on elementary schools but we hope to eventually have an article for every school in the county (high schools will be have more info and pictures, while middle/elementary and other schools will be stubs). Thanks. PRueda29 13:44, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Brandy Ledford copyvio

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Brandy Ledford, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing! Neurophyre 07:20, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

That credit wasn't there when I posted the copyvio thing. Looks like it can be taken down. Neurophyre 05:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:High School.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:High School.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

--Bash 01:53, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Docusate

Thanks for pointing out in the docusate article that the link was to an article that requires a subscription. I modified the presentations section since the distinction between the sodium, calcium, and potassium salts is not generally clinically relevant. In addition, the data to support its use for chronic constipation is quite limited. Andrew73 12:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Ecuador & Peru

I would be glad to have some of your opinions in these topic. Apparently, we have a lot of Pro-Ecuadorian POV pushing in articles that try to explain that Peru did not invade Ecuador in 1941, and that Tumbes, Jaen and Maynas were never part of the ecuadorian republic.

- Ecuadorian-Peruvian War - Cenepa War

Take a lot and pls tell me what do you think. Cheers! Messhermit 20:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)