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Catching up

Hi Allreet. How are things? I'm glad you liked Nova Scotia. I was there briefly about 15 years ago and very much liked it, too. Always hoped to go back some day but haven't had a chance yet. Yes, I'm back in Western Canada now. Yeah, as you say, I hope it's a good thing. I'm working hard to try to make it so. I was in Japan for about 12.5 years.

Mick gold and I have a discussion going on the Dylan WikiProject talk page about what our next move should be—whether to take BoB to FAN next or start something new. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks! Talk soon, Moisejp (talk) 16:20, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

We went ahead and nominated it for FA. I included you as a co-nominator—I hope that's cool. Talk to you soon, Moisejp (talk) 05:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Dunno if you want to use that Good Article thing below or not (up to you of course!) but it looks like as long as it's here it stays on the bottom of the page no matter what new discussions are started. Moisejp (talk) 16:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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Bob Dylan article

Hi Allreet, I hope all is well with you. I would be interested in your opinion on this question. Thanks Mick gold (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

December 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Don't Think Twice, It's All Right. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

It was my intention to remove the material. I placed a brief explanation in the edit summary and directed editors to the Discussion page, where I posted a more detailed explanation. I would be happy to discuss this with you if you need any more information on why this material is at best marginally of relevance to the article in question. Allreet (talk) 06:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware it was your intention to remove the material. However, the removal of sourced content was completely incorrect. "Where I posted a more detailed explanation", there is nothing on the talk page, so I have no clue what you're talking about. It's irrelevant, the material I've added passes WP:SONGCOVER and WP:NSONG in all forms. Don't remove it again please. Thank you. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:27, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
My mistake regarding the Discussion page. I had written the explanation but apparently failed to save it. My original post was still intact on the edit page, and I just clicked Save a couple minutes ago. My apologies. However, contrary to your notice on my talk page, I had clearly explained the edit in my summary. The issue isn't WP:SONGCOVER but WP:NOT. I don't question that the cover is worthy of inclusion: it's duly cited and the artist herself is notable. However, there are more than 40 versions of "Don't Think Twice" by other similarly notable artists on the List of artists who have covered Bob Dylan songs, and only a few of these would deserve a paragraph. My opinion is that the full section you've added is excessive in length and more of relevance to Kesha (your primary area of interest) than to the article's subject, the original song. Given that the cover hasn't even been released yet, its own particular notability can only be considered an unknown. For now, I won't touch the material you've reinstated, except to fix a typo, but plan to seek input from other editors on whether this information should be retained. Allreet (talk) 07:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

FAC Blonde on Blonde; spotcheck requires attention

Dear editor, I spotchecked Blonde on Blonde, and the FAC requires attention regarding the spotcheck. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

Allreet, how are you? I just wanted to apologize for not getting back to you the last two times you wrote on my Talk page. About "DTTIAR", I wasn't sure how far that editor was going to take the fight, and lately I haven't been in the frame of mind to take on anything potentially stressful. (Well, I'm not saying I definitely would never be up to join in a disagreement like that, I'm just saying that in Wikipedia, one has to choose one's battles.) Anyway, I'm glad that situation seems to have worked out. Also thanks for writing to me about the BoB FAC. I wanted to see how that was going to play out before making any big plans of attack—I guess that's why I didn't end up writing back to you about that either. By the way, sorry you didn't know the FAC was going on. I sent you a note way back when, but I guess you missed it. Anyway, looks like we're getting close to the end of it one way or the other. Well, Allreet, if I don't talk to you again before, I wish you a very Merry Christmas! Moisejp (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on BoB passing [1]. Happy New Year! Moisejp (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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GOCE 2011 Year-End Report

Guild of Copy Editors 2011 Year-End Report

We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2011. Read all about these in the Guild's 2011 Year-End Report.

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Bob Dylan editing

Hi Allreet, what is your opinion of the editing [2] going on with Bob Dylan article? Mick gold (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Take the WP train

Thx for the bump. I did have the page watchlisted, in case I got an answer. You can find my reply there, too. :D TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thx again. And for looking it up. :D TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 21:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Blonde on Blonde

Yeah, I wasn't sure if I should add it in the first place. Aside from Robertson and Danko on "One of Us Must Know...", Robertson played on several songs ("Leopard-Skin..." and "Obviously 5 Believers). Given The Band's initial involvement with the project, I guess it's kind of up in the air whether it should be listed here. Maybe start a discussion on the Blonde on Blonde article? The Wookieepedian (talk) 18:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Checking against criteria help

Hi Allreet,

because you're a member of the albums project, I was hoping you could check the article Looking 4 Myself against the criteria. The article has already received a rating, but wasn't checked, thanks. Rayman95 (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Alabama round?

I put it back in because it seemed to me it was known by both names. The redirect suggests that, too. IMO, it's not uncommon for songs to be known by names not their actual titles, so I'd have no problem with a "circular" cross-ref at Train Songs, if I came across one, provided they both link to the right page. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 15:12, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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List of Train Songs

The template indicating that the article has a one-country perspective is not intended to be and should not be read as a criticism. It is, however, true, that the article does not mention other countries or appear to consider that other countries might have railroads or songs about their railroads. The template is intended not to criticise the current article but to guide future editors as to how they might consider improving it.
In that vein, whilst your comment that, "the role of railroads in developing the geographic, commercial and social landscapes on the two continents" [sic] of Canada and America has influenced the development of train songs in those two countries, seems undeniable at face value, the article would benefit from you having a source that says so. Similarly, your further claim that this was, "...something that did not occur in parts of the world that were well established" would need a source before you could include it in the article. You would also need to explain what you mean by "well established" when talking about, say, India, China, Pakistan, virtually any African or South American country you care to think of or even Russia. What exactly does, "well established" mean when talking about a country where the average income is less than $10 per day, where millions live in poverty and huge swathes of the population struggle to find clean water? And even if you were able to source a defintion of, "well established", you would still need a source that evidences the link between this numinous concept and the development or otherwise of railroad songs. Or is there some very good reason I cannot think of why the poor hobos in America write and sing songs about their trains whilst the poor of other countries do not?
I guess the point I am trying to make is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not simply a place for storing interesting lists of things. The article is interesting, and all of Wikipedia is grateful to all those who have worked on it, but it needs some sourced, scholarly text about train songs, explaining from social, musical or cultural perspectives why it is either perceived to be or actually is a purely north American phenomenon. For example, in three minutes of searching I found a ballad called, "In Memory of the Tay Bridge Disaster" about a rail crash in Scotland in the 1880s, I found a CD with 23 songs about the Orient Express (that's a train that runs from Paris, France to Istanbul, Turkey), Silver Train by the Rolling Stones, I Often Dream of Trains by Robyn Hitchcock, Destination Anywhere by The Commitments, Going Underground by The Jam, and Tuesday's Gone by Lynyrd Skynyrd. This would seem to indicate that your claim to geographic exclusivity might not be sustainable with a little bit more effort. Cottonshirtτ 14:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I note that despite the fact that I quite specifically said my placement of the template was not a criticism, despite the fact that I said, more than once, that the article was useful, interesting and that Wikipedia was grateful to all those who have contributed to it, despite the numerous useful suggestions I made for its expansion, despite the additional material I provided for the list of train songs you nevertheless ask in your reply whether I am disputing the legitimacy of the article. This indicates to me that despite the fact that we both speak English there is some fundamental element of communication not present. I am therefore going to bow out at this point. Good luck with your future work on Wikipedia. Cottonshirtτ 09:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't going to re-visit this topic but there is one further point that I think deserves to be made. I note that in your reply to me you include a link to the Wikipedia policy on assuming good faith. In the same message you ignore the fact that I said my comments were to be read as a guide to future editors on improving the article, you ignore the fact that I commended all those who had worked on the article, you ignore my comments that the article would need sources adding to it to support points you wanted to make, you ignore the fact that I made several suggestions for improving and expanding the article, you ignore that I provided names of songs to be added to the list, and instead you ask whether I am disputing the legitimacy of the article. In other words, you ignore all the evidence that is staring you in the face and try instead to make a point for which there is no evidence whatsoever. This is not the act of an editor who is acting in good faith. I suggest that in future you take steps to ensure that you are acting in accordance with the relevant policies before reminding other editors of them, and then try Googling pot, kettles, and black. Cottonshirtτ 13:00, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Kudos

Choo-choo
La-la-la

In lieu of a barnstar . . .

In recognition of your continuing efforts to make List of train songs comprehensive and well sourced, you are hereby awarded a miniature locomotive and guitar. Thanks for all your work! Rivertorch (talk) 21:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Rivertorch. Have a happy New Year. Toot toot, choo choo and chug chug the night away. Allreet (talk) 21:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Mama, You Been on My Mind

Hi Allreet! How are you? Long time no see! I saw your "Mama, You Been on My Mind" article, and I also did a bit of polishing of it just now. Are you interested in nominating it for GA? I think with just a bit more polishing it could be ready. Were you planning to add anything else to it? Although it's not super long, it's a nice, pretty well-rounded article, so I don't think too much more would need to be added, although of course if you had other stuff you were planning to add, that could be good, too. I could add a sound clip for one thing. (But these days they're strict about asking you to specify what exactly in the article is being illustrated with the sound clip, so that might require thought.) One idea to expand it just a bit would be to add a Reception section and possibly move the Sounes and Trager quotes there. What do you think about all this? Moisejp (talk) 00:10, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Allreet. I'd definitely like to check out your radio show sometime. It sounds really good. About "MYBOMM", I was looking on Google Books and there seem to be at least a few more references to use—I'm going to try to put together a Reception/Appraisal section, even if it ends up being short. Then along with the ideas you had for expanding I'm sure we can bump the article up enough to make it good for GA. I'll be in touch again soon. Moisejp (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi Allreet. I'm so sorry for my late reply! Mick gold and I ended up doing some more work on H61R for FAC and all my time got caught up in that. I've also been busy in real life and am not expecting to be able to do any serious editing of anything in the next couple of weeks. I would like in the near future to have a look at "Pledging My Time" as you asked, and do more work on "MYBOMM" too. I'll be in touch again soon. Take care and Happy New Year! Moisejp (talk) 00:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

GOCE 2012 Annual Report

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Train songs

Dear Allreet: Your list of train songs looks very well organized. I'm sorry that I didn't reply right away; I have been chairing a conference for 600 people and there was no time for fun... but thankfully it's over. I think I can add a song to your list, one from my childhood. Here's a fellow singing all of the lyrics on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxSUJrzE7JQ . —Anne Delong (talk) 06:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Is "All the Good Times are Past and Gone" a candidate for your list? 3rd verse "Can't you hear that passenger train / going around the bend / It's taking away my own true love / to never return again". —Anne Delong (talk) 11:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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