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Los Mismos Para Toda La Vida

Hello, and thank you for writing me I wanted to make the Los Mismos article for their last released with Para Toda La Vida. when I first made the page the big L was not available because it was about a song. So that's why the title is Para Toda la Vida. When a user helped me on their first cd on top it says Juntos para Siempre (Los Mismos album) this is how I wanted it to look if you don't have time to fix it, it's ok I'll live with the way it currently looks. Thank you for your help. Para Toda La Vida (Los Mismos album) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 07:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean. I do see that you've created the article Para Toda La Vida (Los Mismos album), and duplicated it at Para Toda la Vida. Unfortunately, the article does not indicate how the album is significant or important. We also cannot link articles of this nature to promotional sites, such as Amazon, which merely serve as a store or merchandising website for purchases. In this case, we would need to either delete the article(s) or redirect them to the band's article. In this case, I would recommend that you spend time working to find significant coverage of the album in reliable sources that are independent of the band itself, its members, or sales and merchandising sites such as Amazon. That said, of the two articles about Para Toda La Vida, which one do you wish to keep and continue working on to establish notability? Cindy(need help?) 23:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Los Mismos Para Toda La Vida

can you redirect Para Toda la Vida into Para Toda La Vida? hello, please disregard the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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The Black Count

Hi Cindy, I moved the article to mainspace so that readers can benefit from it. This is actually a normal procedure and has happened to me [on the article James Cellan Jones]. I have not usurped your work; I have added nothing whatsoever substantive to the article. There was nothing visibly incomplete or incorrect about it, although it can certainly be added to (in fact I've started collecting a list of the other honors and awards it has won). In my mind it's better for the readership if additional touches are added on mainspace rather than delaying. I regret that you perceive my action as precipitous and disruptive. In the future I will try to inquire on a Talk page rather than acting immediately in the spur of the moment. I greatly appreciate the fact that you have created this well-written article on this important book. I hope you will be able to complete it to your liking soon and restore it to mainspace. Sincerely, Softlavender (talk) 06:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

  • I appreciate your kind response. Please understand that moving a draft article from another editor's userspace is actually not the normal procedure. I'm sorry to hear that it happened to you, as well, on the James Cellan Jones article. The editor that moved your article draft was a new, inexperienced editor, but at the same time, the article appeared abandoned. His response should have been to contact you first to ascertain your intentions. Arbitrarily moving the draft is only appropriate if the original author no longer wants the article or appears to have stopped editing altogether. In essence, when it is a stale draft, and only then, after attempting to contact the article creator. Moving the article from another editor's subpage usurps the DYK process, which is only valid for the first five days of existence of the article in the mainspace. All that said, I appreciate your kind response. I would enjoy collaborating on this article once I move it to the mainspace. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 07:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
OK, I get ya; that makes sense. I guess I was on a major Tom Reiss roll and in the excitment of my enthusiasm I neglected due process in favor of my memory of what had been done to me. :) I hope you have recovered from your major surgery -- that's always a very big deal -- and I appreciate your understanding and your explanation. I actually have not yet read The Black Count; I'm currently reading Reiss's previous book, The Orientalist, which I'm finding very impressive; I hope to read The Black Count after that. Let me know if I can be of any assitance, and best of luck to you in all regards. Softlavender (talk) 05:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey there. Can I take you up on your offer for assistance? I think I've bitten off more than I can chew with my health today. I went ahead and moved the article to the article space, but it needs another pair of eyes. I sincerely enjoy working with others and welcome your input. Anything you can add, please feel free to jump in. There are still bare urls, but I didn't feel like fighting with toolserver tonight. I don't know if you have submitted work to DYK before, but would be honored to submit it under both of our names. Let me know if you have any questions. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 03:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
(1) OK, I did a run-through. I initially did not want to remove anything substantive, but at least one paragraph in the Reception section was distractingly detailed in my opiniion (as a reader who hasn't read the book), so I trimmed it. Otherwise I believe most of my edits are copyedits to reduce and remove redundancy and aid clarity and readability. Feel free to disagree or revert any of them. I also left quite a few internal (hidden) notes for you to look at. There's a tad more to do (like add ELs and fix the bare URLs), but I'm running out of steam and need to eat and such. (Also FYI, I never use templates for citations so if you want me to do the bare URLs I can figure it out but it will take a bit of time -- EDIT, well now I can't even get the citation-template buttons to work on the editing bar so I'm not going to even attempt to convert the bare URLs without that). I have some more comments for you but will post later. Take care of yourself -- it really takes time to get back to 100% after major surgery! Wishing you a full and speedy recovery, Softlavender (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
  • (2) [Please see (1) above first.] Comments/Questions (you can move these to the Talk page of the article if you'd rather discuss there):
  1. Honors: I added two Honors (NPR & NAACP). Also, the last section of the lede seems to be a verbatim copy of the Honors section (or that section before I added two more). Is this what you want? Would it be better to re-word, or summarize, in the lede (just asking)? Also, personally, I think the Pulitzer Prize should be emphasized in the lede, not "buried". I'd go so far as to have the opening sentence read "The Black Count [subtitle] is a Pulitzer Prize–winning biography of General Thomas-Alexandre Dumas, written by Tom Reiss and published in 2012."
  2. Reviews by NYT (now used as a source) and Literary Review (was temporarily in the External Links before the move back to mainspace) - do you want to mention them in the Reception section? Just asking.
  3. Is it important to mention race more specifically? That is, to state that mother was black or of African descent; that father was (I assume!) white; and/or that Dumas was a half-caste? I'm asking because none of this is ever overtly stated, although I guess it's easy to infer or figure out. EDIT: I see that it's mentioned in the lede that Dumas was mixed race. Perhaps that's all that's necessary, given the image on the book cover.
  4. Redlinks: I personally don't like to see redlinks (because they look unsightly to me and alter the reading experience), especially of people, and especially of people of questionable notability. When I create or upgrade an article, I generally don't leave any names redlinked -- I either create a stub about the person or unlink the name. Just my two cents. EDIT: Looks like another editor has removed the redlinks.
  5. Possessive "s": I personally prefer the added s after names ending in s. In this case we have two of them: Dumas and Reiss (and one of them is a silent s, at least in French). I was going to suggest that you consider adding the s to these possessives, but I realized that at least one of the review quotes doesn't use it, at least not after Reiss.
  6. DYK: I've never done a DYK, but that's a great idea. So much to cram into one DYK! I'd say go for it, but please don't credit me as co-author of your work, as I haven't done anything substantive (except add two honors). I'd be happy to help word the DYK, but I can't take credit for it or co-submit it. I haven't even read the book. Softlavender (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

The Black Count: Glory, Revolution, Betrayal, and the Real Count of Monte Cristo

The article is great. I've nominated it for a DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/The Black Count: Glory, Revolution, Betrayal, and the Real Count of Monte Cristo. Mkdwtalk 05:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not aware of the conversation above about DYK. I only happened to notice you have several DYK and the article seemed like a prime candidate, in the main space, when I looked at it. I am regularly active in the DYK process and wanted to offer it up because I think it's an important main page contribution. Mkdwtalk 06:09, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh, it's all good. I am not doing well following major surgery and was looking for help. I didn't think I would be able to nominate it, so sincerely, thank you so much. Your work is appreciated. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 06:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I will do everything I can to get it through the DYK. I wrote a DYK in which I think would direct the most amount of traffic to the article. If you have a more artful one, I would be willing to add/replace the existing one. Get some rest and recover from your surgery. I'm 100% successful in my DYKs so far (knock on wood) so I'm certain such a well written article will do just fine. Mkdwtalk 06:39, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your recent articles, including Khrushchev: The Man and His Era, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks Piotr! Hope you are doing well. My focus right now on en.wp centers around creating articles for all of the Pulitzer Prize-winning works. When I get done with that, I'll move on to other award-winning books that do not have articles. There's the National Book Award and National Book Critics Circle Award, as well as others. In addition to national awards, I plan to create and/or edit international awards. For the Khrushchev article, I'm hoping to expand the "Reception" section, using the numerous external links. It's kind like my "holding area". I'll probably add the article to DYK later today or tomorrow. Again, hope you are doing well! Cindy(talk) 20:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Maria Brasoveanu

User:Maria Brasoveanu seems to be writing in Romanian, rather than French - I'd got it wrong on her first article, thinking it was Catalan! (Largely because it was about a Catalan institution ... though duplicating an existing English-language article). The new article Bautura cappuccino seems to be about Cappucino, shorter and less sourced than the existing article, so I've nominated it for deletion A10. I don't know whether she realises that she's contributing to the wrong Wiki. Strange. PamD 23:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Good catch! I just saw the word "français" and thought it must be French. My bad. Hope you are doing well and having a great day. Cindy(talk) 23:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting my article

Thanks for deleting my article
Sorry. I do not know how to use your talk page. Thanks for deleting my article. I wasn't finished with it obviously. The fact that a user can delete things at will without even sending a message to the user is unseemly. It is no wonder to me that this site is not trusted in the academic environment. I wish you a speedy recovery with whatever ailments you might have. I won't be contributing to this site anymore. Regards, Genopath (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Hey there! Thanks for contacting me. Unfortunately, the Foro Mundial de Negocios article did not meet the minimum criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. When we create articles, we are required to indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. You mentioned that "a user can delete things at will without even sending a message to the user". Actually, you received a courtesy notice on your talk page, which also serves as a prompt to allow you to contest the deletion and begin addressing any outstanding issues. One of the ways that you can protect an article from speedy deletion is to draft an article in a subpage of your userspace. For example, you can click on this red link: User:Genopath/Foro Mundial de Negocios and draft your article there. You will be able to develop the article with less risk of deletion, ask other editors to help work on it, and move it into "article space" when it is ready. If you want a copy of the deleted article, just contact User talk:JohnCD. (He is actually the editor that deleted the article.) On another note, you did fine in leaving a message. Another way to communicate with others is to click on the link at the top of every editor's talk page that says "new section". This will open up an editing window for you. I hope you stick around. If you have questions anytime, feel free to contact me. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 23:30, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Cheryl Cran deletion nomination

Hi Cindy! You have put a deletion nomination sign on the biography Cheryl Cran. It was deleted before but I improved upon it, included a number of references and citations. Please let me know what's wrong in it now so that I can make it better. Also, are there any editors who can help edit the article to make more use of references? Another question - are youtube links to references allowed that show Cheryl's conferences and speaker sessions? Thanks and get well soon! Naveen.s1987 (talk) 20:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Naveen! I spent a bit of time editing and cleaning up the article, because it was overly promotional. When everything was in its "right place" ; ), I spent time searching for reliable and independent sources, but I wasn't able to find anything. Do you have sources or knowledge about Cheryl Cran that may be offline? We essentially need to establish notability through "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (Cheryl)". The external links that were included in the article were not independent of Cheryl, but rather, they were her marketing and promotional profiles on various speakers bureau websites. And at the same time, much of them were linked through her official website. If something is already on the official website, we don't want to be redundant and include it here. We simply add a link to her website. This enters in to play here, regarding the YT videos. Cheryl already has a link to her YT site on her official website, so we don't want to add another in the encyclopedia. In order to salvage this article, we need to find sources to support the content in the article. And these sources need to be independent, meaning that Cheryl would have no control or influence in the content. On another note, thanks for the cheers about my I'm doing better each day. (I recently had major surgery.) I'm off to the surgeon for more tests in a couple of hours. Hopefully the tests will show that my health is improving. If you ever have questions about Wikipedia, please feel free to contact me anytime. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 20:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Hii Cindy!

A BIG Thaaannnkk yooouu for the time you spent in making my article better! :) And the explanation of my questions. I added ISBNs to the published books. I'll see if I can find offline content about Cheryl such as interviews, articles/essays published in magazines and journals. I'll also add sources to the CAREER section, such as conferences she conducted and speaker sessions. (when, where, what date) Hope I succeed in getting it published. Its my first! Best of luck for the test results! Prayers with you.

Naveen

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thanks

article was deleted as I was getting to the point. first and last try to add to the site. bye, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiw1984 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Hey there! Thanks for contacting me. I'm sorry, but which article are you speaking of? Is it Terrance A. Riley? If it is, it was unfortunately deleted, because the article did not meet the minimum criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. When we create articles, we are required to indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. One of the ways that you can protect an article from speedy deletion is to draft it in a subpage of your userspace. For example, you can click on this red link: User:Wiw1964/Terrance A. Riley and draft your article there. You will be able to draft the article with less risk of deletion, ask other editors to help work on it, and move it into "article space" when it is ready. Please know that your work is appreciated. I sincerely hope you stick around. If you have questions anytime, feel free to contact me. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 19:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you

Hello Cindy,

Motivated in part by your kind comments on TheEd17's talk page, I want to thank you for all the work that you do here on Wikipedia. You help make the "woodwork" stronger. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Doomsday Machine book

Hi, Cindas...

I made various edits which I thought met at least 'some' of the concerns you noted - when you have a moment, can you look them over and let me know if its now okay to remove at least some of the flagged 'problems'? Then I can try to look at what is left. Thanks! Gemtpm (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement!

Just wanted to stop by and thank you for your encouragement on the Gabriel Arana article. I've long wanted to contribute a number of articles and beef up some others about media figures and Washington, D.C. think publications, so I really appreciate your guidance. I've added a number of secondary sources, per the banner at the top (this Wikipedia rule of course makes sense—I thought going to the original source would be preferable, but I see the point about trying to establish relevance/reason for inclusion with secondary sources. The article is still missing a citation or two. I will continue to work on it and ask if I have questions. Thanks again! Mike9005 (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

help with redirected article

Hi Cindamuse. I am very new to wiki editing and don't plan on making a career of it or anything <grin> but I was looking up some subjects a month or so ago and found a few things in my field that needed clearing/cleaning up so decided to take the plunge. Two of the topics I merely edited, but the third was a new topic that wiki didn't have anything under yet and it asked if I'd like to create it, so I did. That topic was called Certified Dog Trainer. When I went to add a link to it today I couldn't find it and then, with a little research, discovered in it's history that you had it redirected to the dog training topic page. Then I saw that you weren't just "somebody" but a wiki mover-and-shaker, so I figure I must have gotten something wrong in the process. I'm not a computer-literate person either, so I had to ask in teahouse how to "talk" to you (and they were obviously helpful!). In any case, I'm writing to ask you how I might go about getting the topic and/or article on wiki.....did I make a technical error? is it not a viable topic? is it currently under review and that's why it's not up? another reason I don't even know there are questions about? I am looking forward to learning anything I can about wiki, as it makes me a more knowledgeable person overall. Thank you! Mmdogma (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Mmdogma! And welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad that you are here and want to participate in editing the encyclopedia. Yes, you are correct that I redirected the Certified Dog Trainer article to Dog training. This was done, essentially because the new article that you created was redundant or closely related to the article already existing at Dog training. All is not lost though! Before creating a new article, just make sure to run a search for the topic you want to create. You may find a related one that already exists under a different title. It is preferable to add content to existing, related articles before creating an entirely new one. Another idea is to search through Google, by keying in the subject of your proposed article, along with the word "Wikipedia" and related terms. Oftentimes, Wikipedia articles may turn up there. I would suggest that it may be helpful for you to take a look at Dog training and see if the content you propose could be added to that article. Just make sure to support your additions with independent and reliable sources. You could also contact other involved editors on the talk page there at Talk:Dog training. I'm sure others would be happy to offer some feedback. If you need help, please feel free to contact me again. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 23:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

talking to the dog training page

Thank you for your answer about the Certified Dog Trainer page. I don't know how much of what goes on on wiki comes across the "desk" of editors like you, but I did actually alter another page(dog behaviourist) before creating the article. Also, I created the Certified Dog Trainer article after a wiki search turned up nothing and it asked if I wanted to create it. There is no information on the Dog Training page regarding certification. Also, after I altered the one and created the other, I put a note on the talk page for Dog Trainer suggesting that they include the two concepts I felt were missing (that I was contributing by altering the article and making a new one). I'd forgotten that I had done that until I went to their talk page to discuss with them as you suggested, and there was my comment with no response. Other talk comments are from years ago, so there has not been much recent activity and that's probably why no one has responded to my Q. I put a link to the updated Dog Behaviourist article and the new Certified Dog Trainer article on the Dog Training page under "general" topic links at the end (right now, of course, the Certified Dog Trainer one doesn't function). I would say that if Dog Behaviorist is a term that is on a separate page from Dog Training, than I think Certified Dog Trainer, being another title of use in the industry, is also worthy of its own page. This is not because I am its creator, but because there is a huge issue within our field of who can call themselves these various titles and what credence they really have. On the Dog Behaviorist page I modified it from saying (paraphrasing here) that anyone with a lot of experience training dogs is a dog behaviorist to the idea that only those with a related degree and certification are actually called behaviorists. This is so important for the general public when looking for a trainer. It's also important to the fields, both of Dog Trainer and Dog Behaviorist, that we begin to solidify and understand, in a professional way, the delineation. Dog Trainers who call themselves Dog Behaviorists are non-compliant with the industry, taking on the title for themselves when it means nothing. Also, the whole reason I started this editing is because one of the outside links on the page went to the website a trainer who touted himself as a behaviorist and who is not; it was personal advertising. Of course I removed that and replaced it with links to the professional organizations that do certify Dog Behaviorists. Back to the concept of Certification, I'm assuming you read the article and therefore understand that there are no true titles and it's a very unregulated industry, but one that has been trying, for the past 20 years or so, to change that. I happen to have been playing a role in that process during this time, so I am well-aware of the situation, the different certifications and what they mean. Again, I feel it is a real asset to the public and the profession(s) to have these topics clearly defined on wiki, separate from the "history and how to" page of Dog Training. I also have a background in doing research (in the field of Education), so I am aware of trying to write in an unbiased way, but its been awhile, and I will happily take any editorial advice you or anyone has to offer. I would appreciate any more ideas on how to proceed to with the possibility of getting Certified Dog Trainer to be it's own article. PS I did not know how to add this to the previous talk, so I had to start a new discussion, which is probably not the right way, sorry, learning curve.......Also, the prior discussion did not turn up on my own talk page as I thought it would, nor in an email to alert me there was an answer to my Q waiting on your page. Is that the way it works or am I hooked up wrong or looking in the wrong places or something? Mmdogma (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Good afternoon! First, I want to mention that you have a link at the top of your browser, that should say "Watchlist". From there, you will be able to check on the status of any of your contributions. See if there have been any changes or replies. Take a look and let me know if you have questions. Okay, as far as the article content? Yes, it looks like nobody has been to the Dog training talk page in a while. However, if you check the article history, there have been a fairly consistent group of editors stopping by the article every month. (I've added some "wikilinks" here; you will be able to see how I've have created the links when you open up the edit window to reply.) Anyway, we have a rather nice guideline, which encourages us to be bold with our edits. Check out that link. While we encourage boldness, we also balance that out with a reminder toward gaining consensus. You've attempted to communicate with others through the talk page, but unfortunately, there was no response. I want to encourage you to be bold and edit the article. Now, I have to be honest, I don't know much about dogs or dog training, but I think a presentation of the differences between dog trainers and behaviorists would be beneficial. You could also create a separate section on "Professional training", just make sure not to include any links to trainers or present any prices or rates or the such. And make sure to base all the content added on reliable and independent sources. Have fun with it and let me know if you have any questions (or if I missed answering one). Best regards, Cindy(talk) 17:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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