User talk:deaddebate

Merge proposal at Talk:Corianton

Hello, I just saw the merge proposal at WP:PM. You might want to consider leaving a note at WP:LDS and WP:CHRISTIAN for inviting inputs. Thank you. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh, please sign the merge proposal at Talk:Corianton. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

As you may have noticed, though my account is a few years old, I've become very active again in the last 3 months. I'm learning and experimenting, trying to grow beyond the immediately obvious editing. Yes, I have made a few mistakes in my attempts to be bold. Thanks for the feedback. Deaddebate (talk) 15:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

KV edits

I reverted your edits because they switched parts of the article to US english while leaving most of it in British english. I couldn't care less which language conventions are used, but, it should be one way or the other throughout the article. Regards, DMorpheus2 (talk) 17:27, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Understood, but that was the smallest part of the changes. You could have easily undone that small portion and retained the other edits. I'll review the article again sometime in the next week. Deaddebate (talk) 18:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

It's not my job to clean up after you, sorry. DMorpheus2 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Clarification on OR

I feel there may have been misunderstanding about a statement I made in a discussion between the two of us on a talk page. I said that I cringe when I see bare scripture verses cited to prove one point or another, which I think falls under WP:OR. More particularly, it falls under WP:PRIMARY. However, just because bare scriptures are cited does not always mean the statement qualifies as OR. To quote the PRIMARY: "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source." It's the interpretation from scripture verses that constitutes OR. On the other hand, if we directly quote a scripture verse, saying that it says "such and such" and don't get into interpretation or analysis then it isn't OR. I hope that clarifies my earlier statement. --FyzixFighter (talk) 06:53, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Please let me begin by saying I am grateful for all the feedback you have provided these past few weeks. I freely acknowledge, as you have no doubt already determined, I am not especially familiar with the various Wikipedia policies, standards, style manuals, and programming. The language I use may appear very direct, but it is only because I seek to be clear. My actions are an embracement of a bold mentality, and through that method, I am learning. With that introduction, please understand I have no animus in this response.

Many articles currently: 1) Use direct scriptural quotation when it seemingly fits current LDS Church positions, and 2) Discourage direct scriptural quotation when it seemingly contradicts LDS Church positions. I find it increasingly difficult to trust any directly cited scripture, especially the Doctrine and Covenants, as current LDS Church positions and policies have varied over time, sometimes significantly, from the original language. Specific examples include the tithing rate, polygamy, textual changes from the "Book of Commandments", and the age of the Earth. In short, Mormonism deserves a more stringent interpretation of the primary source requirement to not synthesize a religious text.

Therefore, I argue that any citation of scripture within Mormonism should include some reference to scriptural commentary or current policy. For example, in Baptism in Mormonism, stating that the LDS Church continues to follow the explicit guidance of D&C 20:73-74 should be re-inforced with the actual manual, found in Gospel Principles, or another modern publication. An example of an exception would be any historic position around the time the relevant scripture was published.

To demonstrate that secondary sources for commentary on Mormon scripture and policy are readily available, I have compiled a list of publications.

BoM

• The Guide to the Scriptures
• Gospel Principles
• Nibley's Teachings of the Book of Mormon, Parts 1, 2,3,& 4
• FARMS
• Journal of Book of Mormon Studies
• Roberts' Studies of the Book of Mormon
• Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture
• Dialogue Journal
• Sunstone
• Book of Mormon Authorship: New Light on Ancient Origins
• Rediscovering the Book of Mormon

Bible

• List_of_biblical_commentaries#External_public_domain_Bible_commentaries
• Benson
• Lange
• Meyer
• ICC
• Schaff
• Cambridge
• Gray 1
• Gray 2

I intend to add this list to the LDS Project Talk page at some point, for further discussion and reference. Deaddebate (talk) 06:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

William Oswald

I have gone through and found at least one article [1] that I think demonstrates that Oswald was a notable land-use law attorney in Utah.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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