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Hello Ekimyenoom. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, and that you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to Black hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Ekimyenoom. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Ekimyenoom|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message.

It can be a bit complicated to learn how we manage conflict of interest in Wikipedia. If anything in the above is unclear to you, please reply here and I will work through it with you. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

paste reply here that was left on my talk page Jytdog (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jytdog,

I recently tried to update a section on the Brachytherapy Wikipedia page because it is missing a form of treatment under the breast cancer section called Non-Invasive Breast Brachytherapy. :This treatment option is listed in the original paragraph introducing the section, but NIBB does not have it's own blurb at the moment.

"There are five methods that can be used to deliver breast brachytherapy: Interstitial breast brachytherapy, Intracavitary breast brachytherapy, Intraoperative radiation therapy, Permanent Breast Seed Implantation and non-invasive breast brachytherapy using mammography for target localization and an HDR source."

The sentence above lists five methods for breast brachytherapy, each with their own subheading and blurb below, but NIBB's is missing. After attempting to add information about it, the paragraph was immediately taken down, and I was notified that it was not complying with Wikipedia's editing disclosure requirements. I was wondering if you could provide me with more information about how to properly post this information because it is valuable for readers who would like to know what their options are.

Please let me know at your earliest convenience what the best next steps are.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekimyenoom (talk • contribs) 20:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please reply to the message above about paid editing. Once we get that clarified, we can talk about content. Please reply here, just below this. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited my user page to reflect the standards stated in the paid link you provided me with. Thank you.Ekimyenoom (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying! Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting (see WP:THREAD) - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. ( I fixed the indenting in your comment above)

And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit. That is how we know who said what to whom and when. I know this is insanely archaic and unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Sorry about that. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So per the Terms of Use, you need to disclose your employer, the client, and any relevant affiliation. Is Advanced Radiation Therapy your actual employer, or do you work for a PR or marketing agency and Advanced Radiation Therapy is a client, or are you a freelancer under contract with Advanced Radiation Therapy? Thx Jytdog (talk) 00:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am an employee at Advanced Radiation Therapy, and I believe I followed the instructions on how to enter that information into my user page. If there is anything I have to add please let me know so there are no more issues.

Thanks for your note. People use the template in various ways and with varying degrees of completeness; hence my request for clarification. Thanks for clarifying.

I added a tag at Talk:Brachytherapy, so the disclosure is done there.

There are two pieces to conflict of interest management in WP. The first is disclosure. The second is a form of peer review. This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and voilà there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world. So the bias that conflicted editors tend to have, can go right into the article. Conflicted editors are also really driven to try to make the article fit with their external interest. If they edit directly, this often leads to big battles with other editors.

What we ask editors to do who have a COI or who are paid, and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is:

a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft through the WP:AFC process, disclose your COI on the Talk page with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, and then submit the draft article for review (the AfC process sets up a nice big button for you to click when it is ready) so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and

b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to

(i) disclose at the Talk page of the article with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, putting it at the bottom of the beige box at the top of the page; and

(ii) propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. Just open a new section, put the proposed content there, and just below the header (at the top of the editing window) please the {{request edit}} tag to flag it for other editors to review. In general it should be relatively short so that it is not too much review at once. Sometimes editors propose complete rewrites, providing a link to their sandbox for example. This is OK to do but please be aware that it is lot more for volunteers to process and will probably take longer.

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (There are good faith paid editors here, who have signed and follow the Wikipedia:Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms, and there are "black hat" paid editors here who lie about what they do and really harm Wikipedia).

But understanding the mission, and the policies and guidelines through which we realize the mission, is very important! There are a whole slew of policies and guidelines that govern content and behavior here in Wikipedia. Please see User:Jytdog/How for an overview of what Wikipedia is and is not (we are not a directory or a place to promote anything), and for an overview of the content and behavior policies and guidelines. Learning and following these is very important, and takes time. Please be aware that you have created a Wikipedia account, and this makes you a Wikipedian - you are obligated to pursue Wikipedia's mission first and foremost when you work here, and you are obligated to edit according to the policies and guidelines. Editing Wikipedia is a privilege that is freely offered to all, but the community restricts or completely takes that privilege away from people who will not edit and behave as Wikipedians.

I hope that makes sense to you.

I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content. If you are not sure if something is uncontroversial, please ask at the Talk page.

Will you please agree to learn and follow the content and behavioral policies and guidelines, and to follow the peer review processes going forward when you want to work on any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 17:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting the edit request! That was the correct thing to do. There are problems with your proposal. If you read the note below and study the relevant pages you can do better next time. Jytdog (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you please read carefully through the message above? This is a terse overview of how to edit about health and medicine in WP. Please do make sure you read WP:MEDRS, WP:MEDMOS, and WP:MEDHOW. Happy to discuss if you have any questions. Jytdog (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]