User talk:Emir of Wikipedia/Archive 3
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Doc Love
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Doc_Love
How do you vote? Peter Andrew Nolan (talk) 09:48, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Peter Andrew Nolan: You just write '''Keep''' or '''Delete''' and give a reason why. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:19, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Exactly. I saw you edits. They seemed unusual. If you are not voting to keep or delete the page, it makes it casts doubt on your sincerity in trying to improve the page. Are you going to vote, or not? Peter Andrew Nolan (talk) 10:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- If the article is notable then I want it be improved to the best it can be, but if it's not notable then I want it to be deleted. However I don't want it to be deleted because it's a messy and confusing article which doesn't make the notability clear if the subject is notable. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
The notorious type of notable subjects are only worthy of note if notriety is established. Otherwise why make them famous? But this particular subject is legendary. He does not need a Wikipedia article to promote himself. Stalin was a schizoid psychopath, yet everyone knows who Stalin was. Not everyone knows that he was a schizoid psychopath. Peter Andrew Nolan (talk) 11:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- So what are you trying to say? That we should delete the page for Doc Love as he is too legendary and doesn't need promotion? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:09, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- I am saying, that LYING would only promote the subject even further. Instead of establishing notoriety honorably, some of the editors who do not like the subject, tried to defame Doc Love by putting a spin on his philosophy. An in-depth fact check would expose jaundiced journalism in their approach. I do not consider that to be "critical analysis" - lying. This person is very persuasive and he guards his reputation with his life. Before you express criticism, you should give an accurate and fair depiction of what it is you find fault with.2607:FB90:1E06:637D:0:3C:3594:5F01 (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- I never said I found fault, nor did I lie intentionally. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:44, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- The question was, is Emir of Wikipedia going to vote to keep or delete the page. If you are not voting to keep or delete the page, it casts doubt on your sincerity in trying to improve the page.
- I never said I found fault, nor did I lie intentionally. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:44, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- Your edits look like you were trying to make the page appear worse, so it would be deleted. Nice try trying to wriggle out of answering the question.2607:FB90:1E06:637D:0:3C:3594:5F01 (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- @2607:FB90:1E06:637D:0:3C:3594:5F01:My edits are making the page better not worse. If it's deleted it's because it's not a notable page, the quality of the article is irrelevant. And you're the one who wriggled out of my question above. Why are you suddenly jumping into my discussion with another editor now? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- Your edits look like you were trying to make the page appear worse, so it would be deleted. Nice try trying to wriggle out of answering the question.2607:FB90:1E06:637D:0:3C:3594:5F01 (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
- What's your point? The Doc Love article was inaccurate. I wanted it to be deleted. While waiting for it to be deleted I used Wikipedia as a sandbox to write an accurate version of Doc Love for personal use. I outwitted Wikipedians, making you think I am a supporter of Doc Love. Do you know Smartyllama?2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501 (talk) 17:27, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Seriously? That's not what you're supposed to use Wikipedia for. And you were making the article worse, not better. Which makes me wonder if you were doing that to get it deleted, given your admission. Smartyllama (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- No actually Emir of Wikipedia was making the article worse to get it deleted. I was making it better so after it's deleted I would have an accurate version. So you two are cronies? And by the way, Emir of Wikipedia moved "What's your point? The Doc Love article was inaccurate. I wanted it to be deleted. While waiting for it to be deleted I used Wikipedia as a sandbox to write an accurate version of Doc Love for personal use. I outwitted Wikipedians, making you think I am a supporter of Doc Love. Do you know Smartyllama?" from the Ireland conversation, taking my reply to his preceding comment there out of context. Which makes me wonder if you two are trying to cover something up. 2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501 (talk) 18:03, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Mr rnddude: What does this look like? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- I was not trying to make the article worse so that it gets deleted. My edits were on making the article better. Furthermore the quality of an article is irrelevant to whether it is deleted or not, but rather the notability is the important factor. I moved the comment to the more relevant section as stated in my edit summary. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- I know you were trying. I also know you can't succeed if your logic is contradictory: Emir of Wikipedia says "My edits were on making the article better." Emir of Wikipedia also says "the quality of an article is irrelevant" (for whatever reason.) I make articles better because I care about quality and 'accuracy. So thanks for ruining the article after I finished my professional version. Anyway Wikipedia is a pyramid scam. The founder of Wikipedia loves the free lunch, making all of you do all the work for him for free. Would be contributors need to be aware of how they are being used as pawns by senior editors. Wikipedia policy should be to protect the work of those Wikipedians who are doing most of the work to create Wikipedia articles. But it's not. 2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501 (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- My logic is not contradictory. Wikipedia articles aren't deleted because of poor quality but due to a lack of notability. I never ruined the article, and I don't remember you presenting a professional one. Wikipedia is not a pyramid scam. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:58, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- I know you were trying. I also know you can't succeed if your logic is contradictory: Emir of Wikipedia says "My edits were on making the article better." Emir of Wikipedia also says "the quality of an article is irrelevant" (for whatever reason.) I make articles better because I care about quality and 'accuracy. So thanks for ruining the article after I finished my professional version. Anyway Wikipedia is a pyramid scam. The founder of Wikipedia loves the free lunch, making all of you do all the work for him for free. Would be contributors need to be aware of how they are being used as pawns by senior editors. Wikipedia policy should be to protect the work of those Wikipedians who are doing most of the work to create Wikipedia articles. But it's not. 2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501 (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- I was not trying to make the article worse so that it gets deleted. My edits were on making the article better. Furthermore the quality of an article is irrelevant to whether it is deleted or not, but rather the notability is the important factor. I moved the comment to the more relevant section as stated in my edit summary. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Seriously? That's not what you're supposed to use Wikipedia for. And you were making the article worse, not better. Which makes me wonder if you were doing that to get it deleted, given your admission. Smartyllama (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- What's your point? The Doc Love article was inaccurate. I wanted it to be deleted. While waiting for it to be deleted I used Wikipedia as a sandbox to write an accurate version of Doc Love for personal use. I outwitted Wikipedians, making you think I am a supporter of Doc Love. Do you know Smartyllama?2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501 (talk) 17:27, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
November 2016
Hello, I'm Richi. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! ... richi (hello) 10:03, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Richi: Can we bring up this issue on the talk page, please? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:57, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- "We" already have ... richi (hello) 13:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Mohammed bin Rashid C Class
Hiya
I'm not sure I'm qualified! Personally I'd go for B class as it stands. Maybe MaterialScientist would be better suited?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Materialscientist
Cheers! Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:14, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- If you're talking about Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, then I can tell you that this article fails to satisfy the B1 criterion. Also, the article is still rated as a Start-class. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:21, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- We are talking about that. It is still rated as a start class, because I don't want to change the rating without consulting a more experienced editor. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:23, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- I figured after I saw the message you pinged me in to Materialscientist. As a heads up, if it fits the B2-5 criteria then it is a C-class article. I contend that it fails the B1 criteria as each paragraph must have at least one citation to cover everything within that paragraph, more than that may be required if there is synthesis between several sources. E.g. the first two paragraphs and the last paragraph of "Business career" are in need of a citation, and the last sentence of the third paragraph also needs a citation. There are several instances of this elsewhere in the article as well. If you have citations for those sections it may push the article into the realm of B-class. However, I cannot comment on B2 as I am unfamiliar with the subject. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for your advice. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- I figured after I saw the message you pinged me in to Materialscientist. As a heads up, if it fits the B2-5 criteria then it is a C-class article. I contend that it fails the B1 criteria as each paragraph must have at least one citation to cover everything within that paragraph, more than that may be required if there is synthesis between several sources. E.g. the first two paragraphs and the last paragraph of "Business career" are in need of a citation, and the last sentence of the third paragraph also needs a citation. There are several instances of this elsewhere in the article as well. If you have citations for those sections it may push the article into the realm of B-class. However, I cannot comment on B2 as I am unfamiliar with the subject. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- We are talking about that. It is still rated as a start class, because I don't want to change the rating without consulting a more experienced editor. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:23, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Comments by IP:2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501
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Emir of Wikipedia, Please don't edit, as you did with this edit to Abu Bakr. You specifically removed this portion of the article in an edit war fashion: The Shia Muslims do not acknowledge him as the first Muslim Caliph as he is not a direct descendant of Muhammad; they however believe that Ali was the rightful successor and that Abu Bakr took the caliphate in a coup d'état. [citation needed] Furthermore, I would like you to specifically show me evidence of purposeful and blatant harassment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bindhu Pamarthi. It is you, who voted to delete Bindhu Pamarthi, simply because I voted to keep it, which constitutes not only blatant harassment, but callous disregard for the subject.2607:FB90:1E03:77F9:0:47:78FC:3501 (talk) 17:45, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
False allegations when deliberately misleading are considered personal attacks per WP:NPA. An insult is a comment made out of disrespect or scorn, it has nothing to do with the validity of the comment. If it's true, then it is not an insult, but, the harsh truth.
How do I contribute to Wikipedia; I take a topic I am interested in, research it and write out a full draft with citations, then transfer it to the original article cutting out old bits, inserting new ones, synthesizing information, etc, till I have a more decent article in front of me then when it was when I found it - at least I'd like to think my changes are an improvement. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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