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Ney Vandalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ney

The page is being vandalized by a Pan-Arabist claiming the word "Ney" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%86%DB%8C#Persian is Arabic and the instrument is exclusively used in Arabic music.

If it is within your scope please address the vandalism or forward it to the admins. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.189.149.94 (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I've pursued quite a few avenues so far, but for your own information -

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/504821

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/501050

https://books.google.ca/books?id=tRegBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA58&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Iranian classification by the MET and even on the Syrian derivative of the Ney it says as such -

"Although used generically for folk flutes, this Arabic term, derived from Persian, refers specifically to bevelled-edged reed flutes of classical music."

As an IP user I don't think I carry much weight, but I hope you can help. 142.189.149.94 (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The page was protected for two weeks and reverted.

If you can please keep an eye on it if it interests you.

Hope all is well! 142.189.149.94 (talk) 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi 142.189.149.94. Sorry, forgot to reply to this. I can see that the article is now protected and in the pre edit war revision, so I guess all is good. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Abu'l-Fath Khan Javanshir

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Your GA nomination of Guarded Domains of Iran

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Sheykh Ali Khan Zand

Dear Sir or Madam, I am studying about this person, could you please recommend me a book about his family? Kind regards Khan Ahmad 2A02:3032:2E0:8F6:984C:3FCA:E924:E8CE (talk) 03:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I would recommend the The Cambridge History of Iran, volume 7. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

More info about that SPI case

• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BaharatlıCheetos2.0

Look at their works on TR Wikipedia and other wikis[1][2]; e.g. this gem. Reminds me of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34; same nationalistic quest, same pseudo-history pov-pusher. Keep watching the English version of targeted articles in TR Wikipedia because they could bring such stuff to EN Wikipedia in the near future. Just wanted to notify you about it. Thanks for your contributions. Regards --Mann Mann (talk) 17:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much Mann Mann. This might actually be the best evidence so far. I'll take it to the SPI and ANI threads. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Seconding: @Mann Mann, this evidence is very illuminating. @HistoryofIran, I remember noticing you reverting multiple edits that sought to portray the Safavid dynasty as non-Iranian within the past few months. I wondered what the context was for that; now I know how it fits into a nationalistic tug-of-war over historiography. Huntthetroll (talk) 22:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Yup, all thanks to the historical negationism created by the Soviets. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Anushawan, would you be interested in a taskforce on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 11:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kowal2701. Thanks for asking, but I have to unfortunately decline as my hands are pretty much full right now. I'll keep an eye on the page though! HistoryofIran (talk) 13:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, colleague. I would like to ask you how I can get this article - [3]? With respect. Smpad (talk) 21:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't remember if you had access to Brill or not? [4]. I'll post a download link here just in a bit for you. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Here you go https://easyupload.io/qxcwas Please be aware "This is an attempt to interpret the origin of the well-known South Caspian Iranian toponym, Lankarān". There doesn't seem to be any consensus for its origins yet. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, colleague! No, I don't have access to Brill. With respect. Smpad (talk) 23:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Asoristan topic

A user keeps reverting my edits of Asoristan edit, despite my edits have been stated in all given references and yet he gives no explanation but blames me for Vandalism. Can you please fix it. Thank you. Jackhanma69 (talk) 01:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Relief of Adur Narseh

Hello, you might know me from the Adhur Narseh page.

Sorry for the bad source, but I think I have a better source now. The relief is included in the book شرح مصور نقش رستم فارس and the book is available online.

CaspianUser (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi CaspianUser. Trust me, I want a image added as much as you. But we need a WP:RS for that. And it needs to be verifiable (WP:RS). HistoryofIran (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Kurdish People

Hi there, I want to talk about Zazaki, which is in danger of extinction. The number of people who speak it is now less than 100,000, and the Zaza identity is at risk. You might not live in Turkey and may not understand the situation. As you know, all minorities in Turkey are becoming Turkish, and this is happening to the Zaza kurds, those who no longer identify as Kurdish. Many Zaza from Elazig, Erzincan, and Urfa now consider themselves Turks This is why Turks are trying hard to separate us, making it easier to assimilate them into Turkish culture.

I'm saying this because the Zazaki language page on Wikipedia is full of misinformation and incorrect information. I don't claim that Zazaki is a dialect of Kurdish, but it is similar to Gorani, as we all know. Genetically, Zaza people are the same as Kurds, but Wikipedia says otherwise. I hope you can do some research and fix the Zaza page. Even the maps are wrong. I hope you understand and can help save an zaza people, as I can't do anything.

Hope you have a great day ❤️ Raykoosi0 (talk) 00:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Again, please read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. If you have concerns take it to the talk page of the article, where you do it through the policies of this website, and not your personal opinion. While we're at it, please also read WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:VER, WP:SYNTH, WP:CONSENSUS - those are good starters. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

More: WP:PSTS, WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:UNDUE. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Sir, are you a robot or a human? I’m talking in human language, so stop switching to robot mode. I don’t use Wikipedia, and I just made an account to fix that. My second edit about the Rawwadids was because I studied a book and tried to make Wikipedia match that book. I don’t know if that’s true or not I haven’t done research. But for Zazaki, all the information is incorrect, and you should fix it since you know more English than me. I’m not a native English speaker. I’m just asking you to help us and correct it, as you seem more professional with Wikipedia. Raykoosi0 (talk) 01:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

So much for engaging in WP:GF despite your conduct, including calling me a "racist". If you consider that to be "robot mode" then you should seriously consider if this website is for you. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Guarded Domains of Iran

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Category:Zand military officers has been nominated for merging

Category:Zand military officers has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Cheeto might be back

Had to correct some edits by a user named shemsi effendi that were somewhat similar in character. You might want to take a peek. Insanityclown1 (talk) 17:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. It seems to be them, ill file an SPI when im home. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Shabankara and Hazaraspids move suggestion

i was wondering if it's more of an improvement if we can make Shabankara and Atabeg of Great Lorestan (Hazaraspids) into separate pages, one of Shabankara and atabeg of Great Luristan state/kingdom, and another one about the Shabankara Tribe and dynasty (recorded asFazlawayhids in some sources). Just like how there is a page Sasanian Empire and Sasanian Dynasty.

Jackhanma69 (talk) 22:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Where is the Shabankara part mentioned in that citation? Am I missing something here? There should only be an article of the dynasty if its WP:NOTABLE (there would be like what, 2 lines in that article? We barely have any info), which currently doesn't seem to be the case. Also, I just removed sourced info [5]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The citations are within their own articles, the Shabankara as stated in encyclopedia of Islam as name of Kurdish tribe and their country. And their realm is recorded to have dominated the lands between Fars and Kirman, and their capital was ig. On the other hand, the Hazaraspids (Fazlavi Dynasty)[1] was a royal dynasty that ruled over a kingdom that was called Lor-e Bozorg/lur-i Buzurg.[2] Jackhanma69 (talk) 01:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Guarded Domains of Iran

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Hello, could I add a tajik origin for samanids

i have researched and read Academics & historians and scholars regarding the origin of Samanids, and I've found plenty of sources and I'd like to ask if I could discuss this topic with you since you seem to edit alot of stuff about Iranian history, some examples of these scholars could be Richard folts or even one of the most leading scholars of Iranian studies of today like Iraj Bashiri, all love my Persian brother ❤️🙏🏻 Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I think you might be biased

to the left or to the right, depending on which wisdom teeth got removed. Or maybe you're now bottom-heavy or top-heavy? Joking aside, I wish you good luck with the recovery, and I hope you get to enjoy some ice cream. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

+1 Remsense诉 22:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Damn, wisdom teeth? I had mine cut out back in the early '80s. Take it easy, man. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you everyone, its really nice of you. Got both sides to the left removed. Going to get the remaining two removed probably in a few months. It’s impressive that during the human evolution now useless stuff such as the wisdom teeth still remains. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright my friend, I'm editing samanids

My brother i am tired of waiting and I guess I'm gonna add it, but I don't think you'll see a problem with it considering that the scholarly concensus I'll prove accepts they were tajik, all love ❤️ Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 17:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but you waited half a day where I wasnt even active..? Moreover, the Tajiks of today didnt exist back then. Please read User:HistoryofIran/Sources HistoryofIran (talk) 19:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

i apologize for not waiting alot, But you can't just delete it as Many scholars have identified it as The first tajik state, Yes it was synonymous to Persian but they are the same identity as tajiks today, you can not just delete the words of these prestigious scholars, the tajik identity was formed when the samanids existed and therefore it should be added as tajik/persian , no hate I am just trying to add extra information ❤️ Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 19:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

if you would like, we can discuss this somewhere else since Wikipedia is quite hard since I get no notification, All love my friend, And I can show you all the sources that I have found regarding the tajik origin, is that okay with you? Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

The WP:RS in the link contradicts you. Im not going on Telegram/Instagram with a stranger. Take it to the talk page of Samanids and reach WP:CONSENSUS, thanks. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

What? How does it contradict me, I quite literally have the images of the sources and I read what it said? Go to the website link of The iraj bashiri source, and look at the first page "preface", as for Richard folts go to the first page introduction "who are the tajiks?" Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay I respect that, All I wanted to do was discuss it a bit quicker since its a bit hard for me to do it here it lags alot, Hopefully you answer quick 🙏🏻❤️ Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 19:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by “how does it contradict me” Are you implying they say something else? Im referring to the sources about the word “Tajik” at the bottom of the link. If you have concerns, please take it to the talk page of the article and reach WP:CONSENSUS. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? Richard foltz quite literally stated it was identifiably The " first tajik state ", and the other source from irij bashiri is saying That The tajiks first royal house is the samanids, How does that contradict me my friend, please brother, I really don't understand this and it's a little frustrating since it took me a while to edit stuff. Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 00:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, are these two your accounts? [6][7]

If so then you need to make it clear on the User pages. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

i only have one account, someone wanted me to help out with a citation and that was it 👍🏻 Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

But you did not merely help out with a citation, you more or less edit warred by adding Sogdian again. Your first comment to me is more or less the same as one of the users, but nicer. Sorry, but there is something youre not telling, and thus I am filing an SPI. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Because that is what the edit was? I apologize but all I intended to do was to help out his citations and I thought the sources were strong and therefore thought it was true, I won't make the same mistake again, however for the Samanids there are alot of sources that claim they were tajik, that's why I've edited it, what would you say I send you more prestigious sources? Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 19:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

alright man, I will just say one more thing and wait a week for your response,

There is an UNESCO publishing that says they were Tajik,

Chuvash university publishing,

some soviet professors,

pskov university

moscow university

university of Montana,

hungarian academy of sciences,

hanyang university

university of California press

kent state university

Oxford university,

And many more, That is why I wanted to discuss somewhere else, because I want to share these sources with you before actually editing something Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 11:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Please re-read my comment. Per the policies of this website, this is not something that gets discussed on external sites or my talk page. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Tajiks were not the Tajiks of today per the sources in the link, thats a Soviet era creation. And you cant just call sources you agree with for “leading scholars of Iranian studies”. Foltz and Bashiri are good, but they are certainly not leading scholars in Iranian studies, thats people like Bosworth that has that honor. Moreover, im 99% sure Foltz say stuff about this you have not noticed, I am getting deja vu hearing his name in this context. You also need to properly cite the sources you are talking about (WP:VER, WP:CITE), we cant use obscure random name drops for anything. Please dont continue this discussion on my talk page, I wont reply. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay I give up you wasted my time trying to remove the opinions of actual scholars and Iraj bashiri is literally one of the leading scholars of Iranian history if you go to his wiki page?, I was gonna add alot more but you ruined it and removed it, I already stated all of the sources for you to read but no you're too scared to discuss it with a stranger for some reason?

All you do is make your own assertion with no evidence, they quite literally Said the ' TAJIK PEOPLE " As in the ethnic group if you actually read the sources

It is the same as the tajik ethnic group today, they were literally FROM " BALKH ", they are not Persians as in the western ones but they are eastern Persians (tajiks) which is accepted by everyone, sadly i cant change it because you will either ban me , and I can not show you it either because you're too scared to discuss it with me somewhere else there I can show you the images of these sources

Bye Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 12:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for showing the real you, I knew that random niceness was not real. If you’re interested in actually learning about the word “Tajik”, Iranica goes into lots of details [8]. You could always also read the link I posted, which you consider “my own assertion with no evidence”. You seem to “know” a lot about me, I’ll file an SPI when I’m home tomorrow. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

i was nice at first but you and you removed all the work I did and didn't even try to talk to me about it and ask me about the other sources I told you about which I was soon about to add, Ofcourse I won't be kind if you remove everything and don't even want to discuss it somewhere there I can show you more information lol what? Ofcourse I know you you edit alot of stuff in wiki and my friend has told me All you do is be biased towards tajiks and remove all work, I won't be doing any more stuff so be happy since I don't want to risk being banned , you can keep on misinforming people with your lies and rejecting scholars, Don't respond to me again since you said you wouldn't? Tajik Sohrabs (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for ruining it for you by posting WP:RS and policies you dont like. Here, you can have the last response, go ham with the attacks and aspersions, not like WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS is a thing. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

MĀDAYĀN Ī HAZĀR DĀDESTĀN

I'm in the process of writing the MĀDAYĀN Ī HAZĀR DĀDESTĀN. In your opinion, should I explain individual chapters or avoid listing each chapter individually and simply mention chapter topics in paragraph form? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kansas Bear. I’ll check later today. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hmm I’m not actually sure. I guess I would do the latter? HistoryofIran (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for the input! --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Historical revisionist vandalizing sasanian Empire in central Kurdish wiki

hi, there's a user in sorani Kurdish Wikipedia that keeps adding these references ([1] [2] [3] [4]) as a source of saying sasanian Empire was of "Kurdish origin". However none of these look like reliable sources, can you help me by explaining to me how these don't count as WP:RS so I can stop him/them from further vandalizing the page. Thank you. Jackhanma69 (talk) 21:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't help. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you possibly have a look at Draft:Esmaeel Afifeh? fa:اسماعیل_عفیفه would appear indicate an assertion of notability

Hi HistoryofIran, and my apologies for bothering you about what might be a trivial matter in the broader context of... well pretty much everything you've wrote about. Could you possibly look at Draft:Esmaeel Afifeh? Peter in Australia aka Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Shirt58:, I gotta admit, this is a bit problematic when I unfortunately can't read the Persian script, I could probably find much more through that. From what I've found, Esmaeel Afifeh is the producer of Jeyran (TV series), has an Imdb page [9] where it shows several tv series he has produced. He appears in some Persian ebooks [10], but I can't discern their quality. His biography is in the Iranian streaming service Namava [11] (which I've added in the Draft) and he is also mentioned in the Mehr News Agency [12]. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Abu Sulayman Banakati as TOTW article

@HistoryofIran Hi! I wanted to let you know the article Abu Sulayman Banakati, which you created some years ago, is a current candidate for the meta:Translation of the week project, which means if the proposal succeded the article would be translated into several languages in the span of a week. If you want to check how it's going or vote for it, you can do so at meta:Translation of the week/Translation candidates#en:Abu Sulayman Banakati. Have a nice day! -- Brunnaiz (talk) 14:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Brunnaiz. That's pretty neat, thanks for letting me know, and likewise! HistoryofIran (talk) 16:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Sock alert

Hi HOI, I came across your recent interaction with Qehraman63. Just wanted to inform you that this account is a WP:DUCK of HEVAL, which you don't appear to have noticed yet. This less-than-a-day-old account may be a good example to study before reporting potential future socks of this LTA. Cheers, Aintabli (talk) 00:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Although I did give a thank you notification, it should have been a comment. Thanks for exposing them once again, Aintabli. Heval has bamboozled me a few times now. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Minor edits

Dear @HistoryofIran

I hope you don't mind if I make minor edits or add some small information to your articles.

Thanks again for your articles.

Cheers Hounaam (talk) 18:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Gladly! I don't own (WP:OWN) any of them. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	for documenting and promoting the history of Iran! Hounaam (talk) 17:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hounaam, it's an honor! HistoryofIran (talk) 18:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I Made another topic

Hi sir i made another topic on lurs about how they are kurdish in august i made it more clear can you please check it out Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 06:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Where? HistoryofIran (talk) 11:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Nvm, found it. Please read the policies I posted this time. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Need your assistance for revert

Oh hey there,So directly to the topic which I want you to help me please they guys @Farswal which trying various attempts to vandalised the article can you please try to reinitiate the all edit to its stable version, for this time than soon I will report him for further expedition, if necessitated thanks and regard The main objective is Ahluwalia and Abu Hanifa thanks alot if you find my message!! 180.92.117.45 (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what is going on, but I see Farshwal has once again removed sourced info with no edit summary, so I've reverted them. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Maiden tower

Hi there, I don't know who is sock puppet??!! I returned the text to previous version before my updates. Thank you 2607:FEA8:7C0:9D0:2372:BD9B:C712:628E (talk) 21:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Even your grammar is the exact same. No worries, I’ll file an SPI for you too. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sam Mirza

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Potential sockpuppetry?

Hi, hope you're doing good. I believe it is "a needle in the haystack" situation for two new accounts (maybe in addition to an older account) to find out about and simultaneously edit two (1, 2) newly-created articles. I'm not sure if this relates to a prior LTA. I was considering reporting, but I am unsure about the exact connection and if this is something else other than sockpuppetry. Just wanted to point this out in case you find any clear red flags. Cheers, Aintabli (talk) 05:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aintabli. That was my thought as well. But I've unfortunately no idea who it could be, its starting to get hard to keep track of all the socks. Socking is way too easy on this site, unfortunately. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sam Mirza

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Russo-Persian War (1804–1813)

It may be necessary to verify the reference Erik Goldstein, "Wars and Peace Treaties: 1816 to 1991", page 67, for the result. A cursory check on amazon indicates page 67 covers the Pacific War 1941-5. It could be simply the wrong page number. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Kansas Bear. I'll take care of it. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Need quick assessment *Ranjit Singh

Hey may LubanaPB02 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) have been recently involved in the manipulation and extreme case of vandalism in a well planned organised manner can you please try to revert his latest edit specifically on Ranjit Singh thanks in advance if your received my message!! 14.192.211.11 (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Well, I can see they altered sourced info, so I've reverted them. But more context would be appreciated. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for feedback

Hi, I apologize if this is a bad place for this, but I have noticed you're active on pages for Iranian history (it's in your name of course), and saw you multiple times in the talk page for Xerxes I. I have a topic open on the page for Xerxes I regarding a dispute over the placement of user titles in the ruler's infobox, and I am looking for external feedback. I thought I would reach out to you directly.

Again, I apologize if this is not a good place for this, and for any inconvenience caused. AliceBelmont (talk) 23:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi AliceBelmont, nice to meet you. I am kinda ambivalent about this topic, so unfortunately I don't think I will participate. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I understand, and appreciate the response. I am sorry if it was a bother. I hope you have a nice day. AliceBelmont (talk) 01:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Ghurid madhab

I was reading the Cambridge history of Iran, and found out that the Ghurids adhered to the Shafi’i madhab. May I edit the Ghurid article and add this info? I will put the citation as well. Tajik Khan (talk) 03:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't WP:OWN the article, so by all means, go ahead if you have a citation (you can read more about citation formatting here WP:CITE) to back it with. May I ask why are you asking me? Have we met before? HistoryofIran (talk) 03:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I see, thank you. I am new to Wikipedia and thought you were the major admin for these Iranian articles, I also saw you in the edit history. Tajik Khan (talk) 04:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, it appears the page is locked, does my account need certain requirements or do I need permission? Tajik Khan (talk) 03:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh right, it's protected. You can make a edit request (see WP:EDITREQ) in the talk page of the article, then someone will take a look at it. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Ho hum

Am I right in assuming Shahab Uddin 555 is a Najaf ali bhayo sock? DMacks (talk) 18:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Ponyo nailed it. DMacks (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Noice. I am (unfortunately?) not familiar with this sock. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

ANI Discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. (On behalf of Rs4815, I am uninvolved in this) SirMemeGod  19:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know Sir MemeGod! HistoryofIran (talk) 20:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I know that un-alerted ANI discussions can be a bit annoying. :) SirMemeGod  12:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

In appreciation

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		For your stewardship of hundreds and hundreds of articles, across many years. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much AirshipJungleman29! It means much coming from a user who has done the same for many years. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Help a new user out?

So, there is this person which I believe has got several accounts/IPs which they use to edit different articles, to avoid detection- and they are not good news for me. Can you help? Here are some examples of their rather odd editing habits:

Shah Ismail Dehlvi

• [13]
• [14]

Deobandi movement

• [15]
• [16]
• [17]

Barelvi movement

• [18]
• [19]
• [20]

You might be wondering, why out of all the people on Wikipedia am I telling this to you, well it seems you are familiar with this sockpuppeter, and can give answer me as to whether or not the account and IPs all belong to the same editor which I think they do, or whether I have an over-active imagination. Perhaps they are different people who got up to similar unconstructive things, who knows. HyperShark244 (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Missed this one over at Barelvi movement! [21] HyperShark244 (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and one thing to note- the big problem here is the IPs. 39.62.206.38 (talk), the IP that was behind the edit in example [9] above, has got around two dozen edits on their record! If you start an investigation, please investigate as many of the of the IPs as you can, as these IPs cause the most disruption. HyperShark244 (talk) 20:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi HyperShark244, I'll take a look. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that is indeed the LTA SheryOfficial. These two however [22] [23], don't seem to be connected to them (different IP geolocations, different conduct/habits compared to SheryOfficial, the user would have also probably been caught in the recent SPIs if they were a sock of SheryOfficial.). HistoryofIran (talk) 20:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I've filed an SPI [24]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate this. Now, the reason why I included Abdu Mia and the IP in the examples I gave to you on Shah Ismail Dehlvi is because of how quickly they restored their edits over a portion of time, and the fact that after Abdu Mia’s edit was reverted, an IP came and restored their edit- notice the similarity here to SheryOffical's behavior? If Abdu Mia is not a sockpuppet of Shery, is the IP a sockpuppet of Abdu Mia and can this count as sock puppeteering, especially if Abdu Mia continues this habit in the future? Also, can it be safe to assume that the other recently active IPs such as 39.62.223.58 from here are also SheryOffical? Again, thanks for your efforts. HyperShark244 (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh and I forgot to mention, Abdu Mia, sock puppeteer or not, appears to be a WP:SPA who is WP:NOTHERE to improve Wikipedia, all they do is remove large amounts of sourced content and add unverified content based on their own whims in a single article repetitively. HyperShark244 (talk) 21:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Seems highly likely that Abdu Mia and the IP are the same person. WP:SOCKPUPPETRY is more like editing through another user account/IP in secret. They didn't seem try to do it in secret, I don't even think they know that its important they stick to their user account. So far they're indeed showing WP:SPA-like behaviour, but they have very few edits right now (and no warnings on their talk page either, I would advise enabling WP:TWINK, so you can easily give autogenerated warnings), so it's not worth to do anything about it right now, as action likely won't be taken. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

And yeah, 39.62.223.58 is definitely SheryOfficial. I've updated my SPI to include that as well. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Disruption at Barelvi movement, LTA came back. HyperShark244 (talk) 08:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

What disruption are you on about? You're adding baseless information to an encyclopedia and reverting me without any reasonable evidence? 39.62.223.58 (talk) 08:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC) <--- sock of User:SheryOfficial

More suspicious account/IPs to checkout:

Barelvi movement

• 182.191.133.127 from [25]

Deobandi movement

• 182.191.75.219 from [26]

Amb (princely state)

• 39.62.141.198 from [27]
• User:Apni_Baat from [28]

Not sure what all this is about exactly and I think the odds of multiple people getting up to these strangely similar unconstructive things, while a chance, is very low. HyperShark244 (talk) 08:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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LTA id?

Hey, do you happen to know the case name for the LTA typified at Special:Contributions/217.164.84.114/24; Special:Contributions/176.205.172.32/28; Special:Contributions/5.31.212.83/28; Special:Contributions/83.110.171.185/20—as you've reverted them a lot. I swear they must have one, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks in advance. Remsense ‥ 论 19:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Remsense. Unfortunately not. I couldn't find anything when I looked into the history of the articles they love to add unsourced info, and I don't think I've seen anyone ever bring it up. Seems there isn't one. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Ahvaz

Perhaps this page fell off your watchlist. Could you check if the edits made by PayamAvarwand are kosher? I am willing to step back if you believe their changes are correct. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi SheriffIsInTown. Their edits were seemingly not an improvement, I can see I've already reverted this user elsewhere as well. I've reverted them at Ahvaz, removed some unsourced info and responded to them on the article's talk page. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 04:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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Why did Apaugasma think I was Shery?

On the one side Shery makes false accusations against me [29], says that I want "blantant false information" to be kept on Wikipedia [30], and now this? I did not even add that whole Shafi'i thing to Barelvi movement- it was already there. What on earth made Apaugasma think I was Shery? Yes we have the same topic areas, and that's how I came across them in the first place, here! Tell me, is this kind of stuff normal around here, because if it is, I would rather not edit Wikipedia again. Do you know how uncomfortable expericinces like this are? Oh, and it looks like I am "unrelated" to Shery- surprise. [31] HyperShark244 (talk) 14:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry that it made you uncomfortable, I'm sure that was not the intention. SheryOfficial is unfortunately very persistent and has pulled various tricks throughout these past 6 years, including editing against themselves. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I do apologize if you felt weirded-out by my emotional comment- I understand why Apau did what they did. However, you should know what made me feel uncomfortable was the false accusation, not the investigation itself. I did not like being called a sleeper agent or whatever it was, nor being considered the same person as someone like Shery. Some people cannot take jokes, others being shouted at, and I guess my weakness is false accusations. Note that in my investigation I called Shery’s self-declared IP sock highly abusive for false accusations, and not disruptive editing. If I myself have made any false accusation against anyone on Wikipedia without realizing, then I retract and apologize. Know furthermore, my life is busier now than a few weeks ago, and if you see me no longer editing in the future it is not because of what has happened between me, Shery and Apau. HyperShark244 (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hoaxing?

Hi, HoI. I came across a {{db-hoax}} nomination, tagged by CoconutOctopus, of Battle of Sulaymaniyah (1806). Looking at author Nuraddin historys13's other contribs, and noting a past hoax deletion by Rsjaffe of Siege of Baghdad (1148), the most likely reading to me is that everything by this user is a hoax, and then the ostensible conflict many are a part of, Qajar-Wahhabi War (recently created by Astroteric) also seems suspect... But I will concede I have little expertise in this topic area and I recognize the possibility that all the offline cites are legitimate and there's just no English sources on the Web. Could I ask your expert opinion? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

And a ping to JBW now that he's deleted the former. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 23:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tamzin. Majority of the citations in Qajar-Wahhabi War doesn't strike to me as WP:RS (eg citation 1 is by Mousa Shubairi Zanjani, not even a historian. Citation 9 and 10 seem to be primary sources.). The cited "The Rise of the Wahhabi Movement and its Impact on the Arabian Peninsula", allegedly by Routledge, doesn't even seem to exist.

The cited Wahhabism: A Critical Essay is attributed to a completely different person for some reason. I took a quick look at the source, since it should certainly mention this event now its only about the Wahhabists. However, I didn't find anything. In fact, the only sort of war that the source talked about was with the Ottomans (i.e. the Wahhabi War). Iran at War: Interactions with the Modern World and the Struggle with Imperial Russia by Maziar Behrooz has a chronology table for important events in the period 1808–1811 (pages 151-153), which doesn't mention any Iranian conflict with the Wahhabis, but it does mention the Wahhabi War again as "Ottoman Saudi-Wahhabi War".

In other words, yep, seems like a hoax. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much, HoI. Does this analysis hold for the remaining articles by Nuraddin historys13? If so, I'll probably nuke and block NH13 and take Astroteric to SPI. I guess Qajar-Wahhabi War will need AfD since Coeusin challenged the PROD there, unless they feel otherwise per your analysis above. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 00:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some of the events happened in some sort of way. But with not one single proper citation, I'd say its better to be safe and delete them (or least draftify), also due to WP:NOTABILITY concerns. All these articles seem very identical with many of the Middle Eastern conflict related articles that have been created by new, red userpages these past years. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. If it's at all borderline, probably best to run this all through AfD. Would you like to or should I? I'll start an SPI either way. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 01:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'll gladly start the AFDs. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello to you both! I contested the PROD because I saw some references in the article and they seemed legit then, so I thought the attempt to delete the article came from some naming POV issue with the also new user who nominated it. I have no real opinion on the subject matter and if this is a hoax, nuke away and my apologies. Cheers, Coeusin (talk) 02:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me, Tamzin. I spent quite a while checking this account's editing history. I came to the conclusion that everything I checked was hoaxes. Some supposed sources don't seem to exist, some exist but are certainly not reliable sources, some exist but have no connection at all to the subjects of the articles, etc etc... I also made my own searches for information about the subject of the articles. In some case I found nothing at all, in other cases only wikis, social media sites, etc etc... I was close to the borderline for blocking and looking into how many pages should be deleted (thinking it might be all of them) when I decided it was too far past bedtime, and I would leave it until tomorrow (i.e. today). Unfortunately, for reasons I won't bother to go into, I hadn't got back to it until I saw Tamzin's notification. However, having read the discussion above, and seeing that I'm not the only one to think this is a serial hoaxer, I am spurred on to take action now.

I must say that this person has put in an enormous amount of work in making all of the hoaxes look convincing, with fake references and so on. What a pity they didn't choose to put that amount of work into constructive editing instead. JBW (talk) 15:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment I just nominated Qajar Wahhabid war for nomination and then saw this thread. My apologies.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC) &&