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After moving from Los Angeles County to Kern County to San Luis Obispo County, I am finally realizing that there is life in California outside of L.A. and San Francisco, where I lived and grew up. Oh, I have also lived in San Diego, San Bernardino, San Joaquin, Yolo and Sacramento counties, and I earned my undergraduate degree in Riverside County. I am trying to breathe life into the Southern California Task Force, and I hope you will join me. Could you visit our list of participants at the other end of this link and update your description of what you are interested in doing for us, assuming that you still want to be in the mix, that is.

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UC Irvine men's volleyball

Do you want to expand the article for UC Irvine Anteaters men's volleyball or just leave it as a sloppy stub? Adding 24 sources to just a couple of sentences really doesn't make the team notable and just looks crappy; not to mention the fact that is just three different website in different articles. Also, Athletic colors for UC Irvine are the darker blue and Gold, not the lighter blue. Do not change it again. Corkythehornetfan 19:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I reviewed the source you are citing and it appears to deal with licensed products, not athletics specifically. Additionally, it lists a number of different colors, not just the two mentioned in the article. Could you explain how this source verifies those two colors as the specific colors of the athletic program? The source I cited appeared to me to more authoritatively describe what the university's colors are; if that is incorrect, I apologize :) Thanks! --torri2(talk/contribs) 23:15, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Exactly, the ones you added are for the UNIVERSITY, not ATHLETICS. If you look at the logos, they use the two I listed --  #0C2340  &  #FFC72C . Usually, the athletics dept. will use the term "Trademarks" or "Licensing". If they do not use those terms, it will probably be either "Brand Identity". The top two (2) colors are their main colors because it is used in their logos and the Athletics website. Please keep in mind that not all universities have the same colors for both academics and athletics. Corkythehornetfan 23:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I am having trouble understanding what reliable source you are citing for these claims. The third-party vendor document you cite provides a list of colors, but does not explicitly say which colors are the "main" colors for any part of the UCI brand. Colors on a website are hardly a reliable source. However, UCI's latest brand guidelines [1] specifically state that UCI blue and gold are the " primary color palette" that "should be used on all design and marketing materials, both internally and externally." Additionally, these colors officially "represent UC Irvine". [2] Can you provide a reliable source for your specific claims? Thanks again :) --Tt(talk/contribs) 01:47, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
It came directly from the UCI website (click "UCI Art Sheet" towards the bottom). Again, You have to look at how they brand themselves. It is pretty evident that their colors that I've mentioned above are correct for athletics. The bright blue and and gold are for ACADEMIC purposes only. Even the Brand Guide shows the Athletic Monogram the colors I've used. The light blue and gold do not go with the logos according to the UCI Art Sheet, which again comes directly from the UCI website. I really don't understand what is so confusing about this. If you cannot understand it after this, I'm done with this conversation because it is pretty simple and you are making something that is simple difficult. Corkythehornetfan 02:11, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there! I did in fact take applicable Wikipedia policy, as well as external sources, into account when moving that article. Your implications that I did not and threats run counter to the spirit of the civility and AGF policies. Regardless, I would be happy to follow the BRD cycle and collaborate with you and anyone else on coming to a consensus on what the appropriate name should be, whether informally or through the dispute resolution process. As a show of good faith, I have self-reverted the move :) Best, --Tt(talk/contribs) 00:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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Torri, I have no idea why you created San Pedro, Los Angeles, & Salt Lake RR Depot. What's the connection to Riverside (train station)? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

It is the name on the NRHP listing for the historic building at/near the station. --Tt(talk/contribs) 03:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Ventura County

Hi Torritorri, I was going to let you know that have a lot of knowledge by heart regarding many different subjects. For example I could tell you the best way to get from LA to NY by heart. I got that information when I was talking to someone regarding Ventura County and they mentioned that Ventura County was the largest county without an airline. Please write back if you have any questions. Thank You for excepting me as an editor Sincerely, Aram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aram Dakessian (talk • contribs) 05:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I've reverted your move of Pomona Metrolink station as it's disambiguating without good reason. Can you show me where there is another Pomona Metrolink station please? Feel free to start a WP:RM if you think a move is still required. Thanks, Jeni (talk) 13:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

The stations are listed on the page's hatnote as well as the Pomona disambiguation page. See Metrolink (Southern California) and Pomona, CA generally, Downtown Pomona station and Pomona (North) station specifically. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 13:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
None of those stations are called Pomona Metrolink station, disambiguation beyond a hatnote is not required here. Jeni (talk) 13:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
While the page titles may not match exactly due to the recent adoption of WP:USSTATION as a guideline, "Pomona Metrolink station" is a likely search term to be used for either of the Pomona Metrolink stations in Southern California. None of these stations qualify as a primary topic, arguably; so the title Pomona Metrolink station should link to the Pomona disambiguation page. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 13:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Regardless of WP:USSTATION, there is no metrolink station in the US that is called "Pomona", it's either Pomona (North) or Downtown Pomona. In this situation the hatnote that is at the top of page is sufficient enough to direct people to the right page if they happen to land on Pomona Metrolink station by mistake. Redirecting to the Pomona disambiguation page is overkill and, quite frankly a step backwards for the original reader. Like I said, I'm happy for you to start a requested move if you feel that I'm being unfair, however I strongly suspect you will not gather sufficient consensus. Jeni (talk) 13:54, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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UC Regents

Per this discussion, it'd probably be best if you do a requested move since the other user objected to the last page move you did. This way you'll have various editors commenting on the best name for the article. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 03:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi James. I noticed your signature still specifies your old username. Just a friendly note! -- ferret (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I fixed it now I think. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 08:13, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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Chambers of commerce

After nominating the one you voted on, I started looking at some other articles on chambers. Mind I didn't do any research, but on the surface, I only found 2 in the whole country that meet ORG with what's on the page. (Omaha and Gwinnett County, GA). Chicago's main chamber was so bad I stubbed it and am still tempted to AfD it. Thoughts? John from Idegon (talk) 08:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Given the inherently promotional nature of CCs, I would not be surprised if many of these articles are ads created by COI editors. However, it is possible that some of these organisations in large cities may have notable media coverage due to their political activities. I will take a look at the category in the near future. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 06:40, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, James. I did go ahead and nominate a couple of glaringly bad ones. Not gonna tell ya which lest some wikilawyer say I'm canvassing. Merry Christmas and happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 06:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

James, I do not have a conflict of interest in regards to SSCCC. Merry Christmas! Hopscotcher3 (talk) 03:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Your concerns about the SSCCC article

James, you are right; the article about SSCCC "may be confusing or unclear to readers". SSCCC is in the process of transitioning from a "student body organization" to a corporation. As that transition proceeds, progressively more information about the corporation will be added to the article and most of the information about the unincorporated SSCCC will be deleted.

SSCCC will hold a "General Assembly" meeting in the spring of 2016. That meeting will probably be attended by about 400 people. They will consider adopting bylaws for their new corporation. Thereafter, they will repeal the bylaws of the unincorporated SSCCC. At that point, most of the information about the unincorporated SSCCC can be deleted from the Wikipedia article.

SSCCC recently applied for recognition that it is exempt from federal income tax. And SSCCC recently registered with the California Attorney General's Registry of Charitable Trusts. SSCCC is in the process of negotiating a "Memorandum of Understanding" with the Chancellor of the California Community Colleges. At some point, SSCCC may be recognized by the Board of Governors of the California Community Colleges as a "statewide community college student organization".

The students have many more legal hoops to jump through before they have completed their transition and become recognized by the Board of Governors. So please be patient. The article about SSCCC will gradually become better organized and more concise. Hopscotcher3 (talk) 23:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Information about this organisation's past should not be removed. That is a violation of WP:RECENTISM and comes across as promotional. I appreciate the contributions by a series of single-purpose accounts to this article, but they need to be thoroughly rewritten for encyclopedic tone, and information about the organisation's past that has been removed should be restored. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 05:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree that information about SSCCC's past should be preserved. However, that organization's existence only goes back to April 29, 2015 (the date of its incorporation). Information about the predecessor organization (established in 2006) is relevant to understanding how the incorporated SSCCC came into existence. But all of the information about the governing documents of the old SSCCC is going to be superseded when the new (incorporated) SSCCC adopts one or two or three dozen pages of bylaws that are compatible with the Nonprofit Public Benefit Corporation Law and with the Articles of Incorporation of Student Senate for California Community Colleges. Those new bylaws will probably be adopted in April or May, 2016.
Information about the "Student Senate", a predecessor of the unincorporated SSCCC, started accumulating before 2006. California Student Association of Community Colleges (CalSACC) had a "policy board" named "Student Senate". Fragments of information about that board are scattered across the Internet but verifiable information is very scarce, so I do not intend to include any of those fragments in the article about SSCCC. Do you know any "old timers" who remember CalSACC's "Student Senate"? They might know where verifiable information can be found. It might be published in community college student newspapers. I believe that it would be appropriate to include that kind of verifiable information in the article. Hopscotcher3 (talk) 20:07, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
James, I found a news report about the establishment of the unincorporated SSCCC in 2006. I added a reference about that news report to the Wikipedia page about SSCCC. I will check other college newspapers. Maybe I will find reports about the CalSACC policy board named "Student Senate". That kind of information would help to put the incorporated SSCCC into its historical context. Hopscotcher3 (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

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Clarification request

I must admit, I'm confused by this – could you explain in more detail why using the state/location as the disambiguator is disfavored in this case? East Ontario station, as an article title, is already disambiguated on its own, so I don't understand why its existence means that Ontario station (California) is the "wrong" choice... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

The California title (i.e., "a train station in Ontario, California") is still ambiguous as there are still two train stations in Ontario, California, that the title could refer to. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 18:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I was undecided about this, due to the fact that the stations do not have the same name. Because one is "Ontario, CA" and the other one is "East Ontario", the disambiguation of California seemed appropriate to me. I have come to realize that locally the best way to distinguish between them is by calling one the Amtrak station. That works, and the redirect is still there. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

PlayStation Network

Hello James, can you kindly explain the {{Advert inline}} on PlayStation Network. Attribution was improved and the previously deleted text is now almost completely enclosed with inverted commas. These brief remarks were expressed the same day Sony officially unveiled the PlayStation Network to the press. It doesn't seem improper to include some historic detail and short quotation setting forth the purpose of the PlayStation Network. If I'm missing something else, I will attempt to correct it. — TPX 23:39, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

As I've explained in edit summary, the language is fundamentally unencyclopedic, extraneous and promotional, period. It doesn't matter whether it's in quotes or not, Wikipedia is not a promotional press release site; our job is to describe what happened (PSN was announced), not what some unnamed marketing employee wrote. Please do not remove maintenance tags without discussion. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 19:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

CSUMB tag

Why don't you help contribute to fix the problem instead of reverting? ❄ Corkythehornetfan ❄ 19:55, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I'll take it into consideration. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 20:04, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Or at least point out the specific wording so the user can get it fixed. They are wanting to help clean the article up. ❄ Corkythehornetfan ❄ 20:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi James: knowing the specific wording would be helpful. I made a further edit to make the language more neutral. Thanks. Scottwithcsumbnews (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the tag. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 20:03, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

SSCCC article issues

James, does the lead section of the article about SSCCC comply with Wikipedia's layout guidelines? Is the lead section confusing or unclear? Does the lead section contain an excessive amount of intricate detail? Is the lead section too technical for most readers to understand? Does the lead section contain external links that may not follow Wikipedia's policies or guidelines? It would be helpful if you would identify such problems. Hopscotcher3 (talk) 22:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I have already noted my concerns on the article's talk page, and I believe the discussion would be best had there. As I have stated, the contributions of a number of SPAs are in an overly legalistic tone and style that is unencyclopedic, the sources used are not reliable as required by policy, and the use of external links within the text of the article (this includes the infobox) is not appropriate. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 20:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi James, thanks for your message on User talk:81.63.162.231. I am surprised by your readiness to remove an edit you can at least see as not being destructive. Were you sure it was not constructive ? The https link does not work on my computer / browser. Moreover, this webcomic mentions on each page a "Permanent link to this comic" which read "http://". So I will modify https to http again, hoping that if the correction is removed again, it will be for a better reason than my not being connected, my limited number of edits, or a lack of verification. It is sad to think that other corrections such as this one are removed on a regular basis. Lintawa (talk) 07:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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I've self-reverted the edits you mention. Thanks. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 00:43, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Renaming Metro Rail Lines

Hey James,

Per Metro's The Source, the board of directors has chosen not to study this plan any further, so this information is not necessary any more.

Thanks, Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJH2018 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for this and update the article, rather than blanking it. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 17:21, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey James,

I got a verifiable resource (an Admin who did some research). Also, thanks for fixing the Pasadena Transit Logo I put in. I was unsure of how to size it correctly! Thanks Again!!

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Slauson station

In regards to that, there is an article called Slauson (Los Angeles Metro Silver Line station), also on the Los Angeles Metro. That's why I originally moved the article. However, BRT conventions may be different. epicgenius (talk) 03:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Got it. The proposed disambiguator seems overly long. How about something like "Slauson station (Los Angeles Metro Rail)" to distinguish from the Metro Liner BRT system? --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 03:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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