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A cup of coffee for you!

I wanted to write and say thanks for speaking up about drug pricing. You covered all the major arguments which come up in these discussions. You are also right about everything you say, and expressing the standard and normal opinions on the matter. Whatever you are saying is the majority position. I participated in this discussion supporting the inclusion of prices. At the same time, I wanted to come here and personally say that I work for a nonprofit organization that advocates for the general public to have access to drug prices. It can sometimes be unfair when an employee from an organization comes to Wikipedia and joins a discussion. I definitely do not want to oppose your position, or keep you from being heard, so I thought that I would come here and say hello and ask if there is anything that I could do to make sure that whatever you have to say gets all the respect and attention it should have from the Wikipedia community. Sometimes in the past, I have felt frustrated when I was talking with employees of organizations on Wikipedia, and I would not want you to feel that way. Thanks a lot for speaking up. What you say is Wikipedia's default, and what should be followed until and unless there is consensus to change. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Dear Bluerasberry, I am genuinely moved by your message. Thank you for the disclosure. I am also linked to two nonprofit organisations which advocate for access to medicines, although in our case - rare diseases - we also have to consider higher development costs and smaller "customer population", so we cannot always press for lower prices. Also, I am a volunteer, not an employee. That said, in no way am I an expert on drug pricing, and I know the matter primarily through the prism of drug pricing in rare diseases (excellent EURORDIS conferences!).

As far as I recall, mean price for a given drug varies greatly across EU, with some payers (usually, national healthcare providers) agreeing to pay even 2–2.5 times more than the prices charged to other EU payers. Details of each contract are of course kept confidential, but some interesting statistics are available with EURORDIS and the European Commission. In the European context, it is quite hard to establish a "wholesale price" even for a single drug – will "wholesale" be the price paid by the government, or one paid by pharmacies? Or by private hospitals? Here, someone trying to propose a "globally true wholesale price", and even more, a "global retail price", borders absurdity in my view. But I don't know, sometimes decisions of the Wikipedia community are more driven by "let's include everything we can come up with" than by common sense. Best regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 16:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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SMN

Hi kashmiri re the moves I made to SMN (I only moved it twice) - I only came across the page when I was looking for info on 'gems' and there seemed to be a lot of confusion around. I was only trying to clear some of this and the references I found and cited used 'of' in the phrasing - also used in the infoboxes of SMN1 and 2 - the refs I've seen also refer to 'motor neurons protein'. It doesn't matter to me which is used but it would help if there was a consistency in the pages. And if its more usual to use the gene I would suggest as already suggested on talk page that SMN be merged to SMN1. Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Iztwoz: Yes it may be confusing. The literature has not yet standardised the name - SMN1's function was only described in 1995.[1] That paper consistently uses "survival motor neuron". On the other hand, OMIM has consistently "survival of motor neuron".[2][3] I am fine with either.

As to whether to keep SMN under SMN1, I am not that sure, because SMN is also a product of SMN2 gene – there are even a few therapies under development that aim to increase coding of SMN from the SMN2 gene. I am inclined to keep the SMN article separate, the way it is, at least for the time being. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 23:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

'Survival of motor neuron' is used on the Gideon Dreyfuss page and in its ref - would suggest sticking with that and dropping the use of protein - thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Fine with me! — kashmiri ^TALK 00:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

multiple sclerosis cure report

Hi Kashmiri, I have just read your concern that I may have cited a press report in its entirety. I did not. It is just an extract of the press report, and moreover I have cited the source in agreement with copyright law. If you are able to access and read the Cell Report article and contribute to Wikipedia, I would appreciate it. Alternatively, please remove the editing block so that someone else can do so.86.154.102.141 (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, the problem is even the Cell Report article, which sure is compliant with WP:MEDRS, is a WP:PRIMARY source whereas there is strong preference for WP:SECONDARY sources for medicine-related articles. Reporting results of preclinical studies, and even pilot clinical trials, is also discouraged because the obtained results, even though published, cannot be considered conclusive for efficacy. Results of completed efficacy trials can be published, I believe, although I would still need to locate the actual policy. — kashmiri ^TALK 16:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Unable to locate the article in Cell Reports [4]. — kashmiri ^TALK 16:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for trying. Press releases are usually released a couple of days before the real article is out. So please try again in a few days. And for convenience, let us continue any further discussion on the MS Talk page, where Doc James has added his comments.86.154.102.141 (talk) 16:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Heer Ranjha (1992 film)

You have to quote reliable sources.

You have to know something about the film, which you don't.

Xx236 (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

@Xx236: You don't have to quote sources in a stub. Redirecting to director breaks disambig page because it no longer points to where it is supposed to. — kashmiri ^TALK 11:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Who needs the stub which doesn't contain any information?Xx236 (talk) 11:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Ask those who came up with the idea of stubs on Wikipedia. As long as the policy is there, stubs are legitimate. — kashmiri ^TALK 11:57, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

If a stub has little verifiable information, or if its subject has no apparent notability, it may be deleted or be merged into another relevant article.

So if a stub has no verifiable information it may be deleted.Xx236 (talk) 12:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm editing Hindu movie pages and you are complaining. Why don't you write good pages?Xx236 (talk) 12:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Please stop making personal remarks, I have no time to waste on reading such nonsense. — kashmiri ^TALK 12:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Sure, writing good articles is a nonsense. Xx236 (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Would you like to start one, (given comments you left on my talk page)?

I've excluded free images because they probably should be on commons anyway.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sfan00 IMG: Good idea - the question is, I believe, whether we should add "(logo)" and possibly expand acronyms across Wikipedia, or leave the file names as they are, possibly consistent with the main article title. I am afraid I will have little time for Wikipedia until mid-next week, as a good RfC requires explanation and justification, so feel free to go ahead. Thanks for asking, appreciated! — kashmiri ^TALK 10:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I was asking you to draft something possibly, so politeness would be for me to let you do that, rather than drafting my own somewhat inferior proposal. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sfan00 IMG: Ok, thanks, will draft an RfC. Would you have a suggestion as to where to post it? Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media seems dead. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 10:38, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! I changed the talk header of this page a bit, as the shortcut box that was included in it was complaining by putting this page in a cleanup category. I hope you don't mind the change! (Feel free to revert.) Enterprisey (talk!) _{(formerly APerson)} 01:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

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Inderscience Publishers logo

Hi! Could you please upload a logo for Inderscience Publishers. You seem to know how to do it -- you have one uploaded for Hindawi Publishing Corporation. I tried by it was deleted immediately.

You could edit for example the one showing with this google search, but remove the URL below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=inderscience+publishers+logo&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS521US521&biw=1920&bih=951&tbas=0&tbm=isch&source=lnt&tbs=isz:m&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW05Cx8ozPAhUDHD4KHfaHA-MQpwUIFg&dpr=1#imgrc=KUHleioXjoNprM%3A

Many thanks, and please let me know. (Simiprof (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 17:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Simiprof:  Done. — kashmiri ^TALK 18:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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reliable sources for Support vote

Are you a real and impartial honest editor ? Defiantly yes therefore I Could know which "reliable sources" tell you that Saraiki is a Language ? If you have any paste them here . I will provide you two times more sources that it is a dialect of Lahnda (Western Punjabi). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.51.214.161 (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Please take the discussion to Talk:Saraiki language, that's the correct place. — kashmiri ^TALK 15:52, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

People now have started abusing Uanfala. Could you please save your ass in between by changing your Vote ? I f you have reliable sources then tell me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.51.214.161 (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

I have already stated my opinion and I don't intend to engage in any discussions with you on this page. Please mind your language. — kashmiri ^TALK 16:52, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Unsourced content

The next time I find you leaving or creating unsourced content in WP, I will take you to ANI.

Please stop adding unsourced content. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Jytdog (talk) 17:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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I appreciate the thanks for my comment at ANI, but you've been around even longer than I have (all accounts considered) and you should know as well as I do that it is everyone's responsibility to engage in discussion, regardless of who made the initial edit or revert, or who failed to do so when they "ought to".

You would be well advised to note that the effectiveness of a report is often equal to the attempts of the reporter to engage in resolution, and the long standing reluctance of the reported to take it seriously. I have often started the discussion when I am the reverter, the reverted, or even a third party, because that is how you build an encyclopedia. TimothyJosephWood 02:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I would also note that editing in between other's comments is confusing an generally frowned upon. I would suggest fixing yourself in that area and making a succinct reply instead. TimothyJosephWood 03:03, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for editing in between other's comments. Someone using bullet points all over made responding not very legible. Will refrain from it next time.

As to collaborative editing, it always takes two to a tango. After my attempts to engage with Jytdog went nowhere [5] [6] [7] and he went on reverting my contributions and calling them "garbage", I had no more patience to be treated this way. ANI is precisely to sort out such behavioural problems, isn't it.

Your comments about collaborative editing were helpful. Your attempts to criticise my past edits were not needed. rRegards, — kashmiri ^TALK 02:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of native language at Srinagar airport article

Hello, I had deleted the Urdu translation of Srinagar International Airport per WP:INDICSCRIPT. True, this policy does not explicitly mention infoboxes, but I would say the lead and the infobox serve very similar functions. If there is consensus to omit the native language from the lead, I feel it is inappropriate to simply add it to the infobox. This defeats the purpose of the consensus – to avoid conflicts over which languages to add. Please consider. — Sunnya343✈ (háblame • my work) 02:35, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sunnya343: I believe the discussion and consensus were only about the lead section. The "native name" field in the infobox, on the other hand, was intended precisely for native names and I saw it is being used for this purpose in a number of languages and scripts. It is the first time I saw an editor quoting INDISCRIPT to remove script from an infobox. I am not really sure whether you are correct but I am not willing to go to war over it either. Feel free to revert me if you feel strongly about it - otherwise, an RfC might be an option. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 02:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I know what you mean; I have never done that before, but upon reading through the RfC, I feel it is appropriate. To me, adding languages to the infobox sets us up for the conflicts that led to the WP:INDICSCRIPT discussion. Also, it should be noted that the "native name" field in the infobox predates WP:INDICSCRIPT. I first made this edit at Kempegowda International Airport and noticed that two other editors agreed with me. If you don't mind, I would like to revert your edit, but please tell me if you have further concerns. — Sunnya343✈ (háblame • my work) 03:26, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Even though I understood from RfC that the case of geographic names is a borderline one and there seemed to be a consensus that GEO places can have local name. But I am not strongly for or against. — kashmiri ^TALK 12:59, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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So

Based on your following me to Meridians, your editing there, and your posting at ANI subsequent to what happened at the Meridians article, it appears that you have some bone to pick with me. So how do we lay this to rest? Jytdog (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I very much appreciate your words. I read your on your page that you started a biotec, my full respect. Personally I am linked with research in neurology (and research funding). I suggest we try to be WP:CIVIL, don't call each other's GF edits "garbage", and should our views differ on a given topic, we don't revert each other but try to come up with consensus text on Talk. I also won't follow you. How does it sound? — kashmiri ^TALK 21:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

that sounds good thanks. As for me, I would appreciate it if you would make sure that what you add is reliably sourced per MEDRS or RS as is relevant. Thanks again. Jytdog (talk) 21:30, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Let's just keep in mind that MEDRS are also required in alternative medicine, and this usually means authoritative SECONDARY sources. — kashmiri ^TALK 21:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, good let's talk about that. Have you edited much on alt med/pseudoscience topics in WP? (real question, i just want to see where you are coming from) Jytdog (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Well, we can talk but WP:MEDRS requires that it also applies to alternative medicine. I indeed did edit a few pseudoscience articles - I recall an article on Burzynski, I think I tried to bring focus to clinical evidence (or rather its lack), back from the focus on publicity, legal cases and overall Burzynski-bashing that some editors seemed to prefer. Had fought hard against stem cell hype. Had a clash with some conspiracy theorists elsewhere. I did a couple of mysticism-related articles (yoga, etc.) but avoided health-related parts (precisely due to lack of MEDRS). See, I edit on a range of topics, anything from neurology to lingustics to armed conflicts to ethnology to religious movements (and my favourite sport: sockpuppet-hunting), so don't remember most of what I edit.

I think I am pretty hard on pseudo-science. However, as to alternative systems of medicine, I prefer being cautious before branding them as "superstition". We see a lot of overlapping between what is considered mainstream and non-mainstream at any given moment, with various procedures and therapies being constantly inluded or excluded from the academic medicine (whose exact boundaries are also not easy to define). To give an example, I remember when in the 1970s, herbal therapies were publicly called a susperstition; even though I am now dealing with academic studies of curcuminoids as a SMN2 splicing modifier to possibly treat SMA. Or, ostheopathy was once considered alternative medicine but some (some!) of its methods are being more and more accepted by the mainstream. At the same time, as you perfectly know, various procedures and therapeutic methods are being removed from the mainstream as they are being found not based on evidence but on incorrect concepts ("beliefs" as you'd perhaps say).

The subject is lenghty, not sure I am able to engage at this time - we are having three clinical trials just opened and I need to devote time to enrollment and their quality, so I might not be able to respond promptly. But thanks for your extended hand, I reciprocate. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 18:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

BTW, I would appreciate if you trust my edits on SMA and related neuromuscular disorders. I do not always have time to link to quality published sources (which would not be a leaflet), but the information I add is never promotional and is usually 100% correct. I always mark unsourced info with {{cn}} anyway, which is more than most editors do. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 16:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Well I really hope your understanding in the altmed space has progressed beyond what was in evidence in the Burzynski Clinic article in contributions like this. At the time editors were also complaining about your "fisking" of other editors' comments not being helpful, but you're still doing that. Alexbrn (talk) 18:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

@Alexbrn: Yes, I should have perhaps led the discussion in a different manner then, but I stand by my comments that Burzynski's compounds have no proven efficacy (per source - but not "proven inefficacy" as some editors wanted; simply, lack of controlled trial data did not allow drawing any meaningful conclusion). While my personal opinion of Burzynski's business is the exact opposite of high esteem, I'd rather stick with how his treatments are described by academic sources and not tabloids, and am against trying to add every single negative mention found about Burzynski to the article. In my understanding, Wikipedia should present facts in a neutral, objective, cold way instead of fiercely proselytising for or against anything/anyone. But that's my take on it, everyone is entitled to his/her own. — kashmiri ^TALK 19:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

nope, nobody gets a pass on basic content policies. Content has to be cited; if you are in a hurry please just note things on the Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hi. There is no advertising in it. CUSTOS Bank Plc is registered under RAK law in Free Trade Zone... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.69.216.67 (talk) 17:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Is it also registered in Russia, United Kingdom and Poland?[8]? Please stop spamming. — kashmiri ^TALK 18:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Shah Aqeeq Baba

Hello my page Shah Aqeeq Baba is going to delete can you help me how can I save my page can you give me voters?? Hammadsaeed ^TALK Help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.224.238.152 (talk) 04:27, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Kaula is an adjective. Kulamarga is a noun.

Also, Kulamarga is the term used by the top Saiva expert, Alexis Sanderson.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 14:33, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

@VictoriaGrayson: I have noticed that you keep promoting Alexis and deleting references to the works of his predecessors (Jaideva Singh, Mark Dyczkowski, etc.), which is what I intend to object to at one point. The thing is, Wikipedia policies do not require "AlexisName" but "CommonName".

Kaula is commonly used as a noun, although by texts belonging to the doctrine itself rather than by outside sources which predominantly use kula. (A slight semantical difference is there between kulam and kaulam but we can safely ignore it here). For evidence of kaulam, see e.g. Monier-Williams.[9]. — kashmiri ^TALK 18:22, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The reference I use was republished in the Brill encyclopedia of Hinduism, which is a tertiary reference.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 19:02, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Alexis Sanderson is a WP:PRIMARY source on Sanskrit usage. For the same reason I won't cite Kularnava Tantra, even though it uses kaula as noun all over and, as you might know, is the scripture for Kaula. On the other hand, Monier-Williams is a recognised WP:SECONDARY source for the Sanskrit language. See, Wikipedia does not really care what Mr Sanderson thinks people should use but only records what terms are used. I encourage you to read WP:COMMONNAME again.

As a side note, I am not sure what is your level of knowledge of Sanskrit, but kulamarga means "practice of Kula" whereas the article also intends to cover the doctrine. Sure, in everyday usage it's ok to say that someone follows kulamarga, kula or kaula, but when writing articles for Wikipedia we should keep in mind these subtle differences. — kashmiri ^TALK 19:21, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The reference I use was republished in the Brill encyclopedia of Hinduism, which is a tertiary reference.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 19:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, this reference indeed is a tertiary source, and uses "Kaula" both as an adjective and a noun. Also, take a look at the titles of Kaula works quoted there: Paścimāmnāya-Kaula, Kaulakamala, Ūrmikaulārṇava, Nityākaula, etc. They are a perfect example of the usage of kaula as a noun denoting the teachings/tradition. Although kula is the predominant term of course. — kashmiri ^TALK 19:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

These two are the same article:

• This was published in the Brill encyclopedia of Hinduism.
• This was published in a journal.

But its the same article.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 19:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Refs

Are required to support notability. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:37, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: Yes, for an article. For an uncontroversial detail, please read WP:PRESERVE, esp. about the suggestion to use the {{cn}} tag. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 10:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I am not convinced it is notable on the article about the disease. Fine to put it in the article about the show. Substantial coverage is required to show it is more than just trivia. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:12, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: Yep, that's I don't know to what extent we should keep such occurrences in popular culture in articles. This could merit a discussion on WP:MED. My feeling is, a different bar should apply to common diseases and to rare diseases. As to this case, I have been observing a worrying tendency to favour Euro/American references to those from non-Europe/USA countries - even though the Japanese TV show, featuring a famous Japanese actor, will likely be much more popular in absolute number of viewers than some episode of a Stargate Universe series.

Additionally, honestly I would prefer if you respect WP:PRESERVE, which is an official Wikipedia policy, especially in a case when two editors considered this mention valuable. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 11:42, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Kashmiri you had written above that you believe that you should be exempt from the WP:VERIFY policy and from WP:MEDRS. You are saying it again here, a different way. As I wrote above, that is not going to happen, no matter what forum you take that to. Jytdog (talk) 15:18, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I had not written that, and I also think you missed the word "biomedical" when reading WP:MEDRS. Before invoking it read it again please, carefully as it is a very useful guideline. — kashmiri ^TALK 16:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

We already have guidance on including media portrayal of diseases here Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Medicine-related_articles#Media_portrayals There needs to be significant third party source not just "I watched the show and one of the actors pretended they had disease X" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:24, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: Yes, clearly sourcing was missing, but we also have WP:SIGNIFICANCE where we allow information likely to be significant to remain in Wikipedia. As to MEDMOS, it requires evidence of wide coverage in general media, so we should perhaps revisit the remaining claims in this section and remove all those without such evidence, correct? — kashmiri ^TALK 16:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes agree. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:04, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Deletion

Hello. Ref to your moving page. I missed it. Guess I was already working on a new page. Request deletion of the new page. Thanks.--Anon=us (talk) 20:50, 27 March 2017 (UTC)anon=us

@Anon=us: Yes, moving is the right way of renaming pages; copy-and-paste page moves are technically not allowed (H:MOVE). I guess the process will be smoother if you request delete, because as page creator you can easily do this as CSD G7, while I would need to provide a justification. Unless you are not familiar with the process, in which case just prod me. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 21:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Am not familiar with the process. Could you do it for me please? Many thanks.--Anon=us (talk) 21:30, 27 March 2017 (UTC)anon=us

@Anon=us: Do you think you could just blank the entire page (delete all text)? I will do the rest. — kashmiri ^TALK 22:01, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Done. I do not know what is the deletion procedure. Please can you do the rest? Many thanks.--Anon=us (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2017 (UTC)anon=us

You've tagged the page correctly, now we need to wait for the admins to actually delete the page. Normally takes around a day. — kashmiri ^TALK 22:08, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Another request. Can you please look up my talk page? I do not know how this works. Would appreciate help with the reference wrt issues made by @Doc James:. Thanks.--Anon=us (talk) 09:02, 28 March 2017 (UTC)anon=us

Read this

Read this.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 11:56, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@VictoriaGrayson: Please take note of the statement under "This page in a nutshell" frame at the top of this essay. Civility is an official Wikipedia policy. — kashmiri ^TALK 12:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but this is unofficial guideline that is widely accepted.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 12:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Sudarshana Chakra

Hello. Hope this is not too much trouble. If and when possible, please can you contribute to the article? Like, what's the story with Sudarshana and Narasimha teaming up together in a circle? Vijayavalli is a mystery. From where did priests of chakra-purusha originate? Is it a jaina tradition by any chance? Or is it core pancharatra? Any connection possible with vaikhanasas, buddhism, skanda cult? Atharva connection possible? Any info would help. Many thanks.--Anon=us (talk) 15:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)anon=us

@Anon=us: Thanks for invite but I'd rather someone with better access to RS work on it, sorry. — kashmiri ^TALK 01:25, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Sure, no probs. Thanks. Just for info may i know what is the RS you mean here?--Anon=us (talk) 06:01, 2 April 2017 (UTC)anon=us

"Reliable source", WP:RS. — kashmiri ^TALK 08:42, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Are sources currently used in the article ok / acceptable? Please suggest changes if any. Just offhand, for my info, would you have any info about priests of sudarshana? Thanks.--Anon=us (talk) 09:30, 2 April 2017 (UTC)anon=us

United Kingdom Brexit negotiations

Please explain your edit summary[10] Qexigator (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Qexigator: Interwiki links should not be placed in the body of an article (including in the "External links" section). Read more on WP:ELPOINTS, WP:NONENGEL and WP:ILL. — kashmiri ^TALK 16:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Sultan Bahu group is back

Hey man, it appears that the Sultan Bahu group is back. They're harmless aside from annoying promotionalism, but that's still against site policy. Zaheer Abbass Gondal and Faqeer Noor Muhammad Sarwari Qadiri seem to be the latest examples. Am I jumping the gun by stating that there simply isn't any proof of notability for said individuals? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:51, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@MezzoMezzo: Incredible. Indeed seems like the same person, and we now even have his full name! Speedy or AfD? — kashmiri ^TALK 03:55, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@MezzoMezzo: Reported the case to ANI [11]. — kashmiri ^TALK 05:17, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

OK good questions : Zaheer Abbass Gondal and Faqeer Noor Muhammad Sarwari Qadiri are notable indeed . One may ask why?

You can find online as well in islamic books stores in pakistan and elsewhere the books of Faqeer Noor Muhammad Kalachvi ® he's the author of various books notably , IRFAN 1 , IRFAN 2 , MAKHZANUL ASRAR etc further you can find documentary on this Blessed Sufi Personality on youtube he had taken veil from this temporary abode a long ago i.e decades. Secondly he had made a good sincere effort to collect and translate the books of Hazrat Sultan Bahu ® which were very hard to find and its a not piece of cake to do that it takes a lifetime to achieve such work, he was notably the first translator of Hazrat Sultan Bahu ® to urdu language from original persian language.

[Just to add the "only" second translator of Hazrat Sultan Bahu ® books from Persian (original language) to urdu was Dr KB Naseem ® (he too passed away a few years back) his translations of the Hazrat Sultan Bahu ® book is the most accurate as he further collected the original work(books) of Sultan Bahu ® books and looked at all the different versions he had and put forth the most authentic version of the books and made the translations to Urdu Language]

About Zaheer Abbas? Well he is the ONLY translator that has taken this work of translation further with adding the Translations of all the Sultan Bahu ® books from Urdu to "English" Language. You can find his work in online website related to Hazrat Sultan Bahu.

To point the books are special works associated directly with Sultan Bahu ® and reading them has spiritual benefits such as spiritual enlightenment experienced by friends of Allah and similarly the translations too are notably remarkable piece of efforts and work and the Translators themselves are the first of the beneficiaries from the Translations as both in case of Hazrat Faqeer Noor Muhammad Kalachvi ® and Dr KB Naseem ® Stated they received spiritual blessings just by the translating the Works of the Great Islamic Mystic.

Hope this has been to some beneficence to you and a pleasure to read and an acknowledgement.

Note: Sultan Bahu ® never desired money, pomp or fame but to publicise free reading of his work (online link) within the Article: Sultan Bahu ® (Biography) supposedly should be okay? As it adds valuable reference to the Work of Great Sufi Mystic.

Thank You.

Bulleh Shah (talk) 01:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bulleh Shah: Book translators do not usually become notable just because they translated a notable book or "took good effort"; please take a long look at WP:NPERSON. I suggest you also stop misusing the ® mark should only be used for trademarks or wordmarks registered with relevant government authorities; see also Registered trademark symbol. Human names are normally not registrable. — kashmiri ^TALK 12:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

You Should acknowledge what i had already written : Faqeer Noor Muhammad Kalachvi ® he's the author of various books notably , IRFAN 1 , IRFAN 2 , MAKHZANUL ASRAR etc (other than Sultan Bahu ra Books translations) further you can find documentary on this Blessed Sufi Personality on youtube he had taken veil from this temporary abode a long ago i.e decades. The mentioned personality's contributions are very notable and influential among people in the sub-continent as well as over the globe.

The question you raise if being a translator holds any significance then you should note they have translated the books of Hazrat Sultan Bahu ra for whom personality wikipedia already have a article page on the site so its very relevant and appropriate to recognise these personality's are notable in regards they have translated the works of SULTAN BAHU ra.

Moreover being a translator you should be able to comprehend they are actually termed the AUTHOR for Urdu/English Books of Sultan Bahu ra.

The things i have written are FACTS and what you state is FANTASY FICTION and you should show respect and HONOUR to personality's that are revered and honoured by wide masses. You are free to state you'r life contributions amounts to be nothing or not notable according to whatever rule of fantasy world but for other's who have actually achieved a landmark of achievements in their life please refrain from making such an statement.

Note: Don't overdose yourself with wikipedia rules (i.e non-sense ) they like to enshrine a certain president's names but don't want to honour the Name of Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) or other groups individuals (refer to my talk page).

"For a wise individual even a word is sufficient"

Full Stop Bulleh Shah (talk) 14:11, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bulleh Shah: You are clearly going too far with your WP:PERSONAL attacks. Please keep in mind that you might get blocked from editing if you continue with this behaviour. Consider yourself warned. — kashmiri ^TALK 14:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

If you feel that way i can't help but certainly i have only used my quality time to try to develop mutual understanding for a subject with logic and reason.

Bulleh Shah (talk) 14:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Further i am new user here and please note the talk page rules : This is Kashmiri's talk page, where you can send messages and comments to Kashmiri. Be polite, and welcoming to new users Assume good faith Avoid personal attacks For disputes, seek dispute resolution

It seems inappropriate to hand out warnings like this with your own misunderstandings of a given subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulleh Shah (talk • contribs) 14:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bulleh Shah: Please carefully read WP:PERSONAL, this is Wikipedia's official policy that you are required to follow if you intend to be active on this site. I am not ready to take any more comments on me personally from you. If you would like to discuss the content, then I see C.Fred (talk · contribs) has already explained you in detail and pointed to relevant policies, especially WP:NPERSON. If you disagree with policies, then your only option is to discuss them with other editors for a possible change, although I would strongy advise against it while you are new to this project. For now, I see no point of further discussion on how a respected person the translator was. — kashmiri ^TALK 14:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@kashmiri

First i would reiterate there was no personal remarks (as you like to state it as attack?) to you or an another individual however where necessary example has been made to make things more explicit for the greater understanding of the respondent.

I would affirm to my statement in good will the "rule" of wikipedia is biased as C.fred agreed to this ( on my talk page ). The discussion is apparently public and any sane individual can come to this conclusion. So i don't need reference or clarity to whats already very clear and admittedly showing bias towards people of different nationals and background. If If something is allowed for one individual it should be allowed for others and it should not be required to present this as a new case or indulge in opening a new debate or conversation on wikipedia.

Bulleh Shah (talk) 20:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi

Mein Wikipedia tareekh wucheth di panin rai. bahas mubahasah manz Problematics (talk) 01:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Sayyid Mir Jan and Sayyid Mahmud Agha

Dear Kashmiri, I express ms gratitude for your edit in these sides. There is a little flaw in These sides, which is to mention persons like Sultan masood dakik in this lineage. It Leads to confusion Since Sayyid Mir Hasan is the father of the two Brothers Sayyid Mir Jan and Sayyid Mahmud Agha, Therefore it would be better to terminate the lineage with both Individuals, without mentioning his great Grand nephews, who have nothing to do with these sides. Since you are a Well Known Editor, I Would be Grateful, when you could undertake this proposed edit of mine, because I am not able to do so. Yours Sincerely Imamzadeh1901 —Preceding undated comment added 22:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment

Dear kashmiri why you deleted mir sayyid Ali hamadani edit.again and again ,mir sayyid Ali hamadani was great sufi,are you kashmiri pandit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:100:BCD5:680F:9423:AF3D:2960 (talk) 03:26, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Your edits violate several Wikipedia policies, including WP:HONORIFICS. In most cases, we only use bare names without titles. Also, your inserting of links to Hamadani article in dozens of unrelated articles is disruptive to Wikipedia. Regards, — kashmiri ^TALK 09:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Muhammad Shamsuddin Sialvi

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Wheelchair user

Phrases such as "wheelchair bound" have increasingly fallen into disuse because they're pointlessly stigmatising towards disabled people: referring to someone who uses a wheelchair to do many, many things they could not otherwise do as being "bound" to one is not neutral, while "wheelchair user" just states the fact that they use a wheelchair. These guidelines for media reporting on disabled people are one example I found in a quick search of Google, but there are many many others to that effect, and it's commonly discouraged in most places these days. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

@The Drover's Wife: Okay, then why don't you doublecheck what precisely you reverted? FYI, there was not a single "wheelchair bound".

Also, I think discussions should continue where they started; this one did not start on my Talk page. — kashmiri ^TALK 22:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

No, you changed it to "dependent", which has the exact same problem. I'm not sure why you think that would be different. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh yes, because it is not the same. Just like being a "ventilator user" and being "ventilator dependent" are not the same. Or, "electricity user" and "electricity dependent". FYI, wheelchair dependent is perfectly acceptable in the UK.

BTW, we don't talk about "disabled people" in the UK; only about people with disabilities. — kashmiri ^TALK 23:06, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

You may think it is perfectly acceptable; your own government's guidelines on referring to people with disabilities explicitly state otherwise. Oops. The Drover's Wife (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

So judging from your revert, you maintain that "wheelchair bound" is more acceptable than "wheelchair dependent", a term used frequently in technical and medical literature? BTW, note the difference between UK and Canadian guidelines you quoted. — kashmiri ^TALK 00:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve INC Research

Hi, I'm Mduvekot. Kashmiri, thanks for creating INC Research!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. A blog post and a press release are NOT independent, reliable sources

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Mduvekot (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

@Mduvekot: FYI, it is not a personal blog; it is a company blog. More sources are there on the web, I will add them over the next few days. Anyhow, mere fact that it is a publicly traded company should suffice. — kashmiri ^TALK 23:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm quite familiar with INC, and I do agree that it should be possible to source and article it. I understand that it's not a personal blog, but it's not really a publication that is under editorial control and is known for it's excellent fact-checking either. Anyway, I trust you'll figure it. All the best, Mduvekot (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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Your Expertise Is Needed

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AN/I

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Mezomezo

I want your support to block meomezo always deleting Sufi facts.--Saudmujadidi (talk) 05:51, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Your attacks against MezzoMezzo are unwarranted while most of your edits are below Wikipedia quality. — kashmiri ^TALK 12:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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Provinces

Hi Kashmiri, There is differece between Province , and Region , like Punjab Province and Punjab Region , So Kindly Do not Delete the Pages which are under Process, If Region and Province are same then kindly redirect Punjab Region Page to Punjab Province Page, Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kash201313 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kash201313: Not sure what you are referring to. — kashmiri ^TALK 12:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Please be Realistic and do not manipulate Pakistans Census fig, and Don not be Indian Agent , Most Kashmiris play in the hands of Indian Agencies, Be Positive , this link is Government Census dept page, http://www.pakinformation.com/population/sindh.html , Be Positive Be and Do not Play with Pakistan Kash201313 (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kash201313: Please refrain from making WP:PERSONAL attacks, or you will be blocked off Wikipedia very shortly. Please also read about reliable sources and do not delete or modify sourced information in a way not supported by sources. FYI, pakinformation.com is NOT a reliable source. — kashmiri ^TALK 13:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Poland

Pls, stop edit warring see (3RR), the list of 'minority languages' is based on formal recognition by the Polish government and it does not include Silesian for example, which in this case is still debated (if it's a language or a dialect). Also, this is a short-hand list, because it's in the info box (designed to only provide a snap-shot of basic facts about a country), so the reader can read about all the languages in Poland or dialects on the Languages of Poland page. --E-960 (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@E-960: Can you explain why you keep pushing Hungarian in, even though it is not a language spoken in Poland nor has it any official recognition there? And why you are removing other officially recognised languages, despite the source mentioning them? WP:CHERRY is not allowed here. — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, you got the wrong person, it's user Perunslava that keeps doing that and I keep reverting his edits. --E-960 (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

True, it was another editor with Hungarian. But you keep deleting officially recognised minority languages, like Russian, Slovakian, Lithuanian. Any specific reason for cherry-picking only 7 out of 16? — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:49, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, I will say again... this list does not include all 15 'national minority' language and 'ethnic minority' language in order to avoid an info box that is excruciatingly long (this is a longstanding approach) — then another editor will come by and will want to list all 23 minority groups in Poland in the info box. (That's why you have the link to the full article — all this is not meant for the info box) --E-960 (talk) 20:55, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

16 words is hardly "excruciatingly long". Sure, Indonesia and China had to shorten their lists, but both articles include wikilinks to respective language lists. India features a good approach for shorter lists like we have in Poland. But what you did under Poland is (1) misleading, because it appears as a complete list, (2) badly sourced, because the linked source does not confirm the preceding statement. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:04, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

First off, this list is from long before I started editing, second you want to change it start a discussion on talk page, third look at list of languages in articles for France or Germany, they don't even bother listing minority languages (and in the case of Poland no minority language is of any significance over 1%). So, you and user Perunslava are really creating an issue over something very minor. Perhaps, if you on first take did the India approach I could understand it, but instead I had to reverse nonsense based on criteria decided by user Perunslava such as 'mixed marriages'. --E-960 (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• Btw, are you going to do the same for the 'ethnic groups' just so the languages and groups sections correlate (list everything including percent) instead of this silly cherry picking that I was left reverting?? --E-960 (talk) 21:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

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Updating the logo on the Biomed Central page

Hi Kashmiri,

The BioMed Central logo needs to be replaced with a new one with the same rights as the previous. I have tried to upload the new logo, but don't see the rights that seem applicable. Could you advise how I might be able to send the replacement? Thank you for your time. BMCDeb (talk) 13:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@BMCDeb: It looks like it would be too simple for copyright, even by UK standards, although I'd appreciate if you could confirm as you seem to be affiliated with BMC. If it is indeed too simple, then it should go to Wikimedia Commons as {{PD-Textlogo}}.

Anyhow, I have now uploaded it to Commons:File:BioMed_Central_2018.svg, hope it is ok with you. — kashmīrī ^TALK 14:07, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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