User talk:MŞ46

October 2024

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman Tunnel. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Sam Sailor 18:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Placename changes and Wikipedia policy

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bangladesh/Archive 7#Placename changes and Wikipedia policy to understand why Wikipedia uses the spellings it does. The most recent discussion of "Chittagong" vs. "Chattogram" was at Talk:Chittagong#Requested move 28 August 2024, where the consensus was to continue using "Chittagong" for now. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing against consensus

Please refrain from making edits against consensus to Wikipedia, as you did at Comilla District. Your edits are disruptive and have been reverted.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editing

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Akhaura–Laksam–Chittagong line, you may be blocked from editing. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2018, the government of Bangladesh has changed the English spellings of five districts to make them sound similar to the Bangla alphabet.

The new spellings are Chattogram (for Chittagong), Barishal (for Barisal), Cumilla (for Comilla), Jashore (for Jessore) and Bogura (for Bogra).

“Spellings of some districts date back to the British era. They needed to be changed,” he told reporters.

Source: https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/bangladesh-changes-english-spellings-of-five-districts MŞ46 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The government of Bangladesh can decide how the government of Bangladesh will spell place names. Wikipedia, however, is not part of the government of Bangladesh.

Policy Wikipedia:Article titles states under WP:COMMONNAME:

Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources).

Wikipedia uses the spellings it does (Chittagong, Barisal, Comilla, Jessore, and Bogra) because they are the most commonly used ones. Since the official spellings were changed six years ago, the new spellings have gradually gained ground. Someday they may become the most commonly used spellings. Anyone who believes they are now the most commonly used spellings is welcome to make that argument and seek a new consensus (but the most recent discussion was less than six months ago).

Guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) explains in depth how to choose among names, including an entire section on establishing a widely accepted name. A few quick observations:

Both Banglapedia: The National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh and Encyclopædia Britannica still use the old spellings.[1][2]
A new edition of the Times Atlas of the World was published in 2023. If you like, I can try to get hold of a copy and see what it says.
The National Geographic Society's May 2020 map, "Asia's Vital Rivers", their most recent one I could find on which one of these cities appears, uses Chittagong.
Some national newspapers now use the new spellings, others still use the old spellings. Uptake internationally has probably been slower and spottier.

Google ngram viewer is of limited value for various reasons, but can give one an idea of how common the two spellings have been.

--Worldbruce (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

কথাগুলো যুক্তিকর। তবে নতুন প্রজন্ম সংশোধিত ইংরেজি নামগুলো ব্যবহার করছে।

চট্টগ্রামের অনেকগুলো নাম রয়েছে যার মধ্যে একটি চিটাগাং। আর অন্যদিকে বগুড়ার পূর্বের নাম বগড়া। তাই ইংরেজিতে Bogra শব্দটি একদিক হতে ব্যবহার করা যায়ই

কিন্তু ব্রিটিশরা যশোর, কুমিল্লা, বরিশাল শব্দগুলো সঠিক উচ্চারণ করতে পারতো না। তারা যশোরকে “যেসো” উচ্চারণ করতে পারতো বলে তাদের এই ভুল উচ্চারণের সাথে মিল রেখে ইংরেজিতে যশোরের নামটি Jessore রাখে। একইভাবে কুমিল্লাকে “কমিল্লা” আর বরিশালকে “বেরিসাল” উচ্চারণ করতো এবং এগুলোর ইংরেজি নামগুলোও ভুল লিখতো।

শুধু উপরিক্ত ৩টি নাম না শুধু। ব্রিটিশরা Calcutta, Dacca এই দুটি নামও ইংরেজি ভুল রাখে। কিন্তু পরিবর্তীতে ব্রিটিশরা চলে গেলে। এই দুই বড়শহরের নাম বাংলা উচ্চারণের সাথে মিল রেখে সংশোধন করা হয়। বর্তমানে সবাই এই সংশোধিত নামগুলোর সাথে মানিয়ে নিয়েছে।

সুতারাং আপনি উইকিপিডিয়াতে চট্টগ্রামকে ইংরেজিতে চিটাগাং বলুন, লিখুন এতে কোনো বিরোধিতা নেই আমার। তবে যশোর, কুমিল্লা, বরিশাল এদেরইংরেজি নামগুলো এখনও পর্যন্ত ভুল নামে নিবন্ধ করা আছে উইকিপিডিয়াতে তা নিয়ে প্রতিবাদ জানালাম। ধন্যবাদ! MŞ46 (talk) 08:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]