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Recent edits to Pain (Jimmy Eat World song)

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I understand your removal of the second edit; however the first should not need a source. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 15:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced articles

Do not continue to restore material that is completely unsourced. If you want the article, provide a source. If you restore it again without providing a source, you will be blocked from editing.—Kww(talk) 02:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Y'know, there are plenty of music articles that go unsourced. Since this one's so new, you should probably wait for someone to get one and put it in. Wait a few months. If it's still unsourced, leave it be. Now this one's got a start to some size on it. It's over the 2,000 mark - not bad. If you leave it there for just a while, it will almost certainly improve somehow. If not, well, redirect it, but I'm thinking you're a bit jumpy on things. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 02:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Read WP:BURDEN: if you want the article, you provide the sourcing. It's no one else's job.—Kww(talk) 02:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

So it seems you've challenged it, I take it? Okay. Fine. I will find sources on the matter. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 03:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Unconstructive

It gets me angry when editors like you make terrible edits like this https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Between_the_Stars&diff=prev&oldid=648686233 You figure out how you messed up and you fix it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

My bad, sorry I made you mad. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 19:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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April 2015

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you change genre in pages without discussion or sources, as you did at Babel (album). Dan56 (talk) 08:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I assumed the nu-folk thing and the freak folk were synonymous...was I wrong? DannyMusicEditor (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

You may discuss on article's talk page, Danny. 115.164.86.171 (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Input at genre discussion

Since you recently edited at an MCR-related article, here's a discussion regarding what genres to list you might want to give some input at. Kokoro20 (talk) 05:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I noticed you were having a disagreement with someone who seems to be determined to keep the infobox without a genre. These sources you found would be perfect, and I added direct quotes to them so it can hopefully make them more acceptable. I don't really think it's actually power pop, but hey, if you found that in a source, then so be it. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I think he's just sick of IPs messing around with the genres and everything, so he decided to have them removed altogether. But IPs mess around with genres all over Wikipedia. The best solution is to cite the genres to reliable sources, revert anyone who makes further unexplained changes to them and request semi-page protection if it becomes too persistent, rather than removing them altogether. Also, I just replied to you at that talk page. Kokoro20 (talk) 01:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I reverted your genre swap at Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge. The genres have already been a big problem at the MCR articles, so I don't think we should really be arguing over what order they should go in. I think we should leave that alone, at least for now. Kokoro20 (talk) 15:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

If it's for the best, fine. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 16:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 26 April

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Re: A request for advice and/or help

Korn is a popular nu metal band, after all, so do we really need six references to tell us that one of their songs are nu metal? And after checking through all the sources cited for nu metal, I'm surprised to see that none of them actually support that genre for the song, so all those sources next to "nu metal" should be removed. Although, the NME source does actually support funk metal, which is already in the article. Kokoro20 (talk) 03:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

FAC input

Hey Danny, do you have some spare time to check Master of Puppets, my FA nominee? Here's the FA criteria, and your contribution to the review will be much appreciated.--Retrohead (talk) 13:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, cool, Master of Puppets is going for FA. I'll see what I can do. :) By the way, do you know what needs done on their self-titled album to make it GA? DannyMusicEditor (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll probably get to that after I finish Master of Puppets and Kill 'Em All, but if you want, you can nominate it for GA and try your luck. On a first look, it doesn't seem it misses something essential.--Retrohead (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

RE: GA nomination

Yes, I was the one who nominated that article.

Just look at the instructions here (Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions#Nominating) and also here (Wikipedia:Good article criteria) before nominating. Looking at the article history though, someone might have been preparing it for GA back in December though. But then again, it's months later, and it still hasn't been nominated. Kokoro20 (talk) 01:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Metallica

Hey Danny, I've recently nominated Kill 'Em All for featured article. You may leave comments/vote at the nomination page. Appreciate your time.--Retrohead (talk) 10:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

No problem! I'll take a read and see if I find anything amiss. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 19:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Breaking Benjamin genres

Hey there again. Recently, there's been a dispute about what genres to list in the infobox at the Breaking Benjamin article. You're welcome to give some input here. Kokoro20 (talk) 05:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Never mind. Consensus has now been established to list hard rock, post-grunge and alternative metal. Kokoro20 (talk) 01:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I apologize for not answering. I was away on vacation for a week, and that meant no internet. I will be on a second vacation with my family starting July 24, so I will be unable to answer inquiries given at that time. By chance, do you know if there's a template that says I'm on a break or vacation from Wikipedia? I think that'd be super useful next week. And for the record, I would've supported hard rock for BB - they've made a significant style change over their hiatus, and it would be good to note that. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 17:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. Not to mention, 3 of their 5 albums are also sourced as hard rock here on Wikipedia, so it would be more consistent to categorize the whole band as hard rock as well.

You should want to use Template:Vacation in that case. Kokoro20 (talk) 06:16, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

John Moyer not involved with Immortalized

I don't think the information needs a reference, because we typically require references that qualify information, instead of references that disqualify information. That said, I can see how this would be an exception. I've forgotten how to format references. However, it's easy enough to find: The album's official liner notes don't credit John Moyer with any writing or performing credit. Again, I don't remember how to cite a source like this. I haven't been an active user in like half a decade (I used to be dude527 and edited the Indestructible article substantially).

So, all this said, how about this? I'll take a picture of the liner notes and link you: http://imgur.com/97Yss7n. Notice how it lists Dan Donegan with "All...bass". John Moyer isn't anywhere to be found on this record. Would appreciate it if you could add this citation to the article for me. Thanks for checking in! 68.117.74.98 (talk) 04:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I found my old login information! Thought I'd lost it forever! If you could reply to me on this account, that would be great. The Guy ^(edits) 04:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of You're Insane for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article You're Insane is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Machine Head (band) Timeline

Hey man. Yes, I know that there is a specific color scheme that is commonly used. Several editors do. There is a particular editor who believes that it is terrible and wants to use his own. WHY? Because he likes it. It is a war I have been fighting for months. Please feel free to continue to revert to the more popular scheme. I certainly will be. Let me know if you would like to discuss further... DLManiac (talk) 05:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Imagine Dragons album certification

It isn't false, RIAA just hasn't updated their site yet. It's been reported by Soundscan. It's whatever, I can wait a week if wiki cares. BlaccCrab (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Bring Me the Horizon

Hey! i just want to thank you for the amazing work you're doing to protect Happy Song (Bring Me the Horizon song) and Drown (Bring Me the Horizon song) from unsourced genre edits. Keep up the good work! 😉 Anonpediann (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Just so you know, I only do it to pages in which (1) people clearly dispute a certain genre without support (Drown's alt rock case) or (2) look like they're headed to be good quality articles someday. I've seen worse vandalism *cough* Blood (In This Moment album) *cough* in which the idiot thinks AllMusic's sidebars are reliable. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 21:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I have to say, that kind of people just drive me mad. They clearly don't know anything about Wikipedia's guidelines. I personaly think that only registered user would be able to edit Wikipedia pages. Oh and i requested a temporary semi-protection for Drown (Bring Me the Horizon song). Anonpediann (talk) 10:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

This city needs to be wikilinked

I see that you were first to say "this city needs to be wikilinked" in your edit summary here. I also see that it is offered under a Creative Commons license. As such, you have no legal claim to intellectual property interest in my new heavy metal arena rock anthem, This city needs to be wikilinked. I call dibs on this song name. Thank you. Willondon (talk) 21:09, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

So, essentially you're saying you're going to make my edit summary a title to a song you're personally writing? Cool beans. Sounds like a ditched Make Me Famous demo from It's Now or Never, or even one from Asking Alexandria's Stand Up And Scream. (Note: I hate Make Me Famous AND the current Asking Alexandria.) I'm not going to sue you for copyright. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 21:25, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Well maybe not the title, but probably as a refrain in the lyrics for the chorus. Still... dibs. Willondon (talk) 18:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Metallica (album)

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Your GA nomination of Metallica (album)

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The Kill

Hi. There are plenty of sourced genres for the song The Kill, including progressive metal [1], hard rock [2], alternative rock [3], and emo [4]. In the actual state, putting rock is the most neutral solution for the article per WP:NPOV. I suggest that you use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes before editing. Thank you.--Earthh (talk) 13:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

And that I will do immediately. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 20:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Bmth

Yo dude Bring Me the Horizon is still Metalcore just because the album "That's the Spirit" doesn't have Metalcore in it doesn't mean they are still a Metalcore band. Plus the album isn't EDM. 321rematch (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

1) it wasn't me who added EDM, but it's sourced, and your opinion doesn't matter. It's critics opinions that matter, which you are not. 2) I agree that they are still a metalcore band in a certain way. They no longer record or write it, but they can't abandon classics like "Sleepwalking" or "It Never Ends" live. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 01:14, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you can help Rodleen Getsic's Wiki page

You like music, and maybe you are familiar with the singer from Deftones White Pony "Knife Party" - she had an accident so she has not been able to be active in her career for several years, but Wiki Administrators removed her article. Will you take a moment to check out the conversation going on about this. We need help. Go to this link: on TokyoGirl's page. Thanks WikiGurrrL (talk) 22:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I am not familiar with her, in fact I'm not sure I've seen that name mentioned on the White Pony article at all. Her career seems to be primarily acting, with a minimal participation in music, which is not uncommon. This is unfortunately not my area of expertise. From the discussion I saw, I do agree that it was wrongly deleted, but I do not believe I would be much of a help.

And for the record, it is actually spelled "Knife Prty." DannyMusicEditor (talk) 14:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

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A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	I don't always agree with your edits, but your approach to editing and cooperation are stellar and therefore deserve a barnstar! Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

AWESOME, my first Star! :D Thank you!!! DannyMusicEditor (talk) 03:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

nu metal

I edited that article. CMJ didn't call the Mudvayne album a vivid cross of nu metal styles. It called a Snot album a vivid cross of nu metal styles. I know this because I added something about Snot and then i think somebody added that CMJ described a Snot album as a vivid cross of nu metal styles. I also noticed on the Strait Up page of Snot, it said CMJ described the nu metal album as a vivid cross of nu metal styles. But I did know that Mudvayne won an MTV2 Award, so i added that info to the page. I really like nu metal and feel it is very underrated.

Statik N (talk) 00:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Underrated? Amen to that. Except for Limp Bizkit and most Korn. Can't stand that stuff. Ironic, I hate the pioneers of the genre, but I love other iconic artists in that genre. dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 00:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I really enjoy Mudvayne's first album. It's definitely a nu metal classic. I also wanted to ask you if you know the album Through the Eyes by the band Flaw. It's an awesome nu metal album. Statik N (talk) 00:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I've only listened to "Payback" from that album. I should try more. dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 01:02, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits to Party in the Graveyard

Hello, thanks for your recent edits to the Party in the Graveyard page. I just wanted to see if we could compromise on some things you reverted. I don't want to start an edit war or anything so I'd like to find a common ground to make the page the best.
Party in the Graveyard was originally released independently by the band. When they were signed to Fueled by Ramen, the album was re-released with additional tracks. The issue here regards which one is more significant. I would argue that the re-release, released by a label rather than independently, is more significant than their self-release. You cannot purchase the old album anywhere anymore, but the FBR release is available. Also, the album art on the page is for the FBR release, and not the original art. Thus, I feel the original release should be collapsed and the FBR release should be left uncollapsed. Secondly, I don't think the original release should be called the "Standard edition" and the re-release the "Deluxe edition". I understand the FBR release has more tracks and could be related to a deluxe edition, but it's never referred to as "deluxe" anywhere that I've seen. I think labeling it as just the re-release would be more appropriate. If you can provide sources, or at least a good opinion on why it should be deluxe, that'd be appreciated.
These are just some concerns I had. I'm not trying to be mean or anything; I'm just looking for clarifications to improve the article. Thank you for your consideration and I hope to hear back from you. --estemshorn (T/C) 00:34, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, did it have the Standard collapsed and the "re-release" opened before I opened it? Yeah, go ahead and restore it to that way. I did that by accident. And, if the information you're giving me is true (I trust it is), then go ahead and change it. dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 02:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

RE: This Is War

Despite my interest within the alternative rock genre, Thirty Seconds to Mars is not really within my field of interest (I've also only heard a handful of their songs). Also, I was soon going to start work for more of my own GAs (I've already gotten 4 articles to GA). Thanks for the offer anyway though. Kokoro20 (talk) 14:35, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Nu metal article

So how can I make nu metal become a featured article or good article? I'm almost done making the page good enough to be even possibly a featured article. You can work with me on it if you want to. Statik N (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Statik N, Because of the amounts of mistakes I've personally found in the past, I would suggest sending it to WP:PR (Peer Review) first to get a fresh pair of eyes on the article - my last and currently only GA nom I've ever done kinda crashed and burned (not completely, but still, far from done). It helps to have someone read through it that's never read the article before. I'm not the best at styling things anyway, so send it through there, because you don't want too many problems for it so it automatically fails. (Coincidentally I have a certain nu metal album awaiting that process myself.) Another helpful thing: Send it to WP:GOCE (Guild of Copy Editors). I sent Deftones through that process recently because it needed it very badly. After at least one comprehensive review from someone in PR, nominate the article for GA, and best of luck. I think you should consult someone else for FA status, I'm not knowledgeable in the area. dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 15:22, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

This IP belongs to a wide range of users

Just thought I'd let you know that this IP is part of T-Mobile USA's Texas range of IP addresses and as such is shared between many users, since you left a warning message on its talk page. 208.54.83.170 (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Invite to join band member / timeline discussion

Hey there. I notice you have edited band member sections/timelines, and I would like you to come join the current discussion happening at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Create Member Section/Timeline Standards that may finally result in a standard for various items related to band member listings and timelines. Thanks in advance for any contributions you may have! — DLManiac (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

DLManiac, I am regrettably busy and unfortunately cannot participate at the moment. How long do you expect the discussion to keep up? Maybe if my schedule opens up I'll jump in. dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 21:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not really sure. If you can't make it that's fine. Hopefully it will go on for about a week, but it looks like its pretty dead even today... –DLManiac (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Nu metal request

So what does the thing you submitted to nu metal do? When do we get a peer review? Are we allowed to make improvements on the nu metal article while we await a response? Statik N (talk) 21:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Request

Since I unfortunately won't have a lot of time to do it. Do you know somebody who can improve the references/bibliography section of the nu metal article? You see you can add a bibliography part of the references and add book sources and then you add the Sfn template {{Sfn}} for references that are connected to a book in the bibliography section. I noticed people were doing this in these articles:

• Korn (album)
• Life is Peachy
• Slipknot (band)

I noticed that doing this all to improve the references/bibliography section of the nu metal article will take a lot of work. Do you know anybody who could do it? It probably would be somebody who works for Wikipedia a lot more than I do. I don't mean to sound lazy. I'm sorry if I do sound lazy. It's just that unfortunately I don't have time to do all of this. I just need somebody who has time to do all this work. Do you know anybody who does? Thanks.

Statik N (talk) 00:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

A Thousand Suns and NFC

Hi- the issue with the second cover is twofold. First of all, it's basically identical to the main cover, and so its use seems to run up against NFCC#1 and #3. Second, the live album is not the subject of the article; while it is generally held that a single album cover in the article about the album meets NFCC#8, this does not extend to album covers in related articles. I would have no objection to the cover in an article about the live album, but if the live album is not significant enough to have its own article (and, as seems to be the case here, there is no reason to think that the cover itself is in some way significant) then it probably is not needed. Josh Milburn (talk) 22:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, J. So should I remove that part of it deeming it not notable? I doubt there'd be any strong sources covering it... dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 03:22, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I've no principled objection to the section on the album remaining (that's for you and other editors/reviewers to work out)- there's no obvious harm in letting the section remain but without the cover image. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)