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Happy Saint Lucia's Day!

Special Saint Lucia's Day celebration for you: Lucia coffee and buns from festively arrayed Bishzilla Lucia! ['Zilla twirls to display her becoming Lucia crown in the round.] bishzilla _ROARR!! 15:34, 13 December 2014 (UTC).

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@Bishonen: Yum, thanks! And a happy St Lucy to you! Following my own tradition, I'm spending the day listening to ABBA, Europe, and Ace of Base, pigging out on Raggmunk, Spettekaka, and Arraksboll, flipping through Anders Zorn prints, playing brädspel, reading Henning Mankell, and watching Ingmar Bergman films. Manul 21:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

[A little offended:] Ping who? Do you mind? Weenie 'shonen nothing to do with it! Spettekaka and arraksbolls ok... not bad... though Zorn a little old-fashioned for 'zilla taste! bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:55, 13 December 2014 (UTC).

@Bishzilla: You have my humble apology, your mighty ferociousness. It was just a temporary typographical confusion, and the puny 'shonen should really change her jumped-up name. I hope you will accept my apology and that there will be no burning to crisps or gruesome but entertaining dismemberments. Though having a small brain like others of your kind, you are nonetheless fair and just, I believe, despite this fairness and justness being expressed in grammatically incorrect ways. Manul 19:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Will be no burning to crisp assuming little cat sensibly refrain from opening fish gift. L'il helpa not to be trusted, wrought mayhem last year![1] Acknowledge excellent point about Bishonen, jumped-up is her middle name! bishzilla _ROARR!! 23:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC).

• Feast eyes on Swedish expressionists here! (Unfortunately copyright, not on Commons). bishzilla _ROARR!! 22:34, 13 December 2014 (UTC).

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Hello, I left a comment for you on acupuncture talk

Hello Manul, I replied to your response on acupuncture talk. Yes, other editors claimed it was not a review but I replied here, making the case If after reading this edit you still have an objection, would you please be so kind as to reply to my specific points on the acupuncture talk page? For organizational purposes, we can absolutely use the new section you created. Thank you! LesVegas (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Eternity sidebar

Hi, manulkitty. I see you moved the sidebar template up at Eternity. I agree that if we must have a sidebar it needs to be at the top, but it's dull for the page layout, you know? When somebody looks up the article, it's a pretty dry boring sight that meets their eye. The striking lady with the symbols has been put in the corner. :-( Are you aware of any suitable template that could go at the bottom, out of the way but accessible for readers that actually want it? I have only found Template:Time topics, but that seems to be designed on the principle that it doesn't matter how huge it is, as long as it's at the bottom, with which I don't agree. Bigger than the article, you know. Do you or any of your tps do navigation template design at all? Bishonen | talk 17:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC).

Hey Bish! After noticing ouroboros being mentioned in both the picture and symbolism section, I moved it there without much thought. I hadn't considered aesthetics, and you're right, that boring-ifies the article a bit. If I understand correctly, you propose to remove the sidebar and replace {{time topics}} with an already-opened-but-not-so-huge version? That sounds good to me, and doesn't seem hard. But maybe it's not against a style guideline to place an image above the sidebar after all? Being more interesting at the cost of being unconventional is a fine trade-off. Manul ~ talk 19:56, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Hang on, I just realized that's the same as is already at the bottom of the article, and it's collapsed as default. You can tell how carefully I looked — I noticed none of it. No, I think we should just have the bottom template(s), collapsed, and remove the sidebar, actually. It's not like there isn't enough templatecruft on the page without it (three different templates at the bottom). OK, I've done it, see what you think. Mind you, I'm sure it'll be replaced in any case. People who add things always feel entitled, and removing stuff is always "vandalism". Me, I think making a page leaner and meaner is often the best way of helping Wikipedia. As for templates, people design them, and then they want to see them used, no doubt. Bishonen | talk 21:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC).

Crap, no, I semiprotected the article, didn't I? Better not edit it at all. I've reverted myself. Bishonen | talk 23:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC).

Removing the sidebar is a solid improvement, I agree. (I had fiddled with it only because I noticed duplicated code for which a template was already created.) I restored your edit (hooray I've always wanted to edit-war with Bish!) and made the same deletion-as-improvement to Past, Present, and Future. Let's see if others get on board with leaner and meaner. Manul ~ talk 23:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Criticism of Wikipedia revert

It's a wp:deny of a long banned sock. Thank you for checking and fixing. See User:Arthur Rubin/IP list Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

And now: Special:Contributions/108.73.114.110 Best Jim1138 (talk) 07:51, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Reiki

I want to add on a slightly off-topic note that I have no interest in defending reiki itself. What I do have an interest in is defending the state of the science, which I feel is being actively misrepresented by those who themselves claim to be defenders of science. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

DrFleischman, Wikipedia is not the place for that; see WP:NOTFORUM. Talk page discussions should involve sources and phrasings of those sources. And it's usually a waste of time bringing up sources that cannot be used, such as non-WP:MEDRS ones, e.g. [2]. Manul ~ talk 18:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a bit of a straw man. I'm not spouting my personal views; I'm trying to improve the article. And how is that source non-MEDRS compliant? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

DrFleischman, it's not a review, or a standard textbook, or a position statement from an expert body, etc. Please pause a moment to read WP:MEDRS. Manul ~ talk 19:05, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, my apologies, I should have noticed that. In fact I was schooled on the very issue of primary scientific sources several years ago and I forgot. Shame on me. Regardless I never suggested using that source in our article. I brought it up as evidence of a lack of scientific consensus. It also rebuts your contention that scientists have not tried to evaluate reiki's effectiveness. They have, certainly more than Time Cube. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 19:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I never said that scientists have not tried to evaluate reiki's effectiveness. The Time Cube analogy was meant to illustrate a narrow point, not prove something about Reiki. You're carrying the analogy beyond its intended scope, inferring meaning that was not imparted upon it. Regarding the demarcation problem, in my view the best place to start is reading a book like Nonsense on Stilts. Manul ~ talk 19:48, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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no sourced material was deleted

Furthermore, you have sent me the 3RR when I was the only editor editing my self content. I am not interested in this argument of Avatar, and this article.Vosmania (talk) 19:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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I don't think I agree with the interpretation of these closing instructions. See my inquiry at BLP noticeboard NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

A Watts sources

Manul, I'm trying to compile a possible-source bibliography for Anthony Watts, which eventually I will read and analyze for myself. As you have already done a lot of that, please consider pointing or even better compiling the various references from hither and yon. I think I will start collecting them in my userspace, so I can freely edit out the noise.

Anyway, whatever organized and prioritized suggestions of possible sources you have would be helpful. If others have already dissed them, still include them anyway! I want to make my own review. Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:14, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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AWESOME!!! Besides myself, you are the only person I have observed do this. 'Way to go. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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E-meter reference error

On June 5, your edit to the E-meter page apparently caused an orphan reference error.[3] Would you have a look at that when you can, please? Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sfarney: I just fixed it here, thanks for following up. Manul ~ talk 16:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Manul: Hey, great. Thanks. Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 18:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Your question at Liz's RFA

Really, really poor form. If you want to oppose, do it honestly. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

NeilN that's an inappropriate aspersion and deserves explanation. I wrote my question honestly. Manul ~ talk 03:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Your "question" was an ANI post - "You're incompetent in this area so stay away from it, okay?". If you actually wanted to pose a proper question - "Here's a situation where I thought you showed poor judgement. Would you do anything different in the future?" --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

NeilN, I've never written an RFA question before, and I've cast only one RFA vote in my lifetime apart from the now-deleted recent one. ANI isn't an appropriate venue because the problem is stale. On the other hand adminship is forever (not literally) and the purpose of RFA is to bring out these potential problems, or so I thought. I don't accept your caricatured version of my question. Yes on reflection I could have phrased it more diplomatically, however failure to do so does not make it "dishonest". Are you able to entertain the possibility that I wasn't being dishonest? Manul ~ talk 03:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

The post wasn't dishonest. If you opposed and added that text as the reason why, no one would have batted an eye (it contains a lot better reasoning than some opposes). In fact, many editors pay closer attention to the opposes than they do to the questions. But adding things like how they relished harassing you makes it a loaded question. I accept that you did not do this intentionally and apologize for my word choice. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:54, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

NeilN, OK thanks for the AGF. Considering that I was late to the party and it was already SNOWing, it seemed (at the time) that asking for (effectively) a voluntary topic ban would be a reasonable way to mitigate the harm and prejudices I encountered. I needed to show the evidence justifying the proposal, which I did inside the collapsed box. I was acting on short notice while being unaware of RFA customs and practices. There is also a bit of shock seeing this support for one of my harassers, which probably clouded my judgment. Manul ~ talk 05:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Re:Australian IP vandal

Thanks for adding the extra addresses, I really appreciate it :) Glad to know I'm not the only one that's on to this troublesome vandal. It's so frustrating that nothing can be done about it though.

Hopefully we can work together to stop this guy. JayJ47 (talk) 06:32, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

@JayJ47: If I recall correctly, few of the vandalized articles deserved to be a Wikipedia article in the first place, being more suitable for Wikia or whatnot. And the articles were largely unsourced, making it harder to detect misinformation. The vandal is actually directing us to articles that should be deleted. By filing AfDs for the vandalized pages, we would be cutting down vandalism while harnessing the vandal as a force for good. Manul ~ talk 12:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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The Hatter

Adding a book source without page number is just as useful as citing original research. Just saying. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 17:57, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

No matter, I found the page via Google Books. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 18:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jonas Vinther: I provided the link to Google Books. You can scold me for forgetting to include the page number, but it's wrong to equate that with original research when the link is right there. Manul ~ talk 18:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Another possible response might have been, thank you for completing work that a fellow editor has every reason to expect that a Grognard Mirabilaire would have done without assistance. 71.201.62.200 (talk) 23:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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Dear Manul you did not remove the tag on your page on the deletion of the main Wallace page (itself entirely unfounded), and the present editing has removed tags (without proper discussion) where parts are diputed while ignoring and giving the impression of a lack of sources. The primary feature of the Int. Shamatha Project is not also mentioned in the main part, and demeaned by an outdated reference to just the 'Shamatha' Project. Then he has written a book. With respect.--DynEqMin (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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I just wanted to remind you of the instructions that are highlighted in the big pink box at the top of the page: Enforcement requests and statements in response to them may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs. That includes both involved and uninvolved parties. Please cut down your statements and responses to adhere to these word limits. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

First of all, the word limits are not a discretionary thing, so Liz was quite correct to request for you to shorten your statement so that it was within the rules. Second, as an uninvolved clerk I remind you of the rules and that clerks may truncate or remove evidence that exceeds the maximum length. Please reduce the size of your statement. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:21, 8 March 2016 (UTC).

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By agreement of the arbitrators the word limit for the involved parties has been extended to 1000 words. Statements over this length will be reduced as necessary. These reductions in statement if made by the clerks are considered clerk actions and cannot be reversed without the express consent of the Arbitration Committee. Amortias (T)(C) 22:30, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Amortias: Thanks bringing this to me. Is there also a change to the permitted number of diffs? And to what degree, if any, do word counts apply to subsequent replies? I hope that I'll be able to show evidence disproving the claims (and there are many of them) the subject of the case makes in their replies. Since arbitrators have much more specific and damning evidence that can't be given on-wiki (showing for instance that Askahrc had been teamed up with the blocked user earlier than is widely known, before Askahrc began his socking/harassing spree), it would be nice if one of them would make a statement. I very rarely get a reply through the Arbcom email and I often wonder if the mailing list software is working properly. Might you ask them for me? Manul ~ talk 08:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Manul.

An increase in the number of diffs would need to be requested seperatley, permission was only given for an increase in the word count.

All content including replies to other users counts towards the word count and as such has to be included in the required reductions.

I will seek clarification of your e-mails being received by the committee and ask for them to respond either here or by e-mail

Amortias (T)(C) 12:26, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Manul, just FYI I replied to this question by email. That way we can also test whether responses from us to you might be going astray. Opabinia regalis (talk) 20:25, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

@Opabinia regalis: Thanks, I've responded through email. Manul ~ talk 12:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Manul, as it has been over 72 hours since the request to reduce both statement size and diff quantity your statement has been reduced to fit in line with the restrictions in place for both word count and diff limits. Amortias (T)(C) 00:59, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@Amortias: Until now I had still been waiting from Arbcom. I received a response from them an hour ago. I had thought the note at the top sufficiently explained this, but unfortunately an admin has already commented. Given the information I just received, I need to time to decide how to proceed with reorganizing my statement. Manul ~ talk 03:47, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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About your close here: I agree with the outcome and think there was probably a WP:SNOW level of consensus, but I suggest you take a look at WP:NACD and associated essay WP:NAC for advice on future non-admin closes. Closing a discussion is not meant to be a WP:Supervote, so if you wanted to add your own argument ("it's at the top of GN") it would have been better to make a regular !vote. Per WP:CLOSE, it's a problem that you made an argument in your close instead of simply evaluating the level of agreement among other participants. Also, closing discussions early is touchy, and it probably would have been better to let an admin apply WP:SNOW if they saw fit. Thanks, and good luck in the future! FourViolas (talk) 17:18, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

@FourViolas: Thanks for contacting me. I am quite familiar with WP:CLOSE, as I have participated in discussions on its talk page. I am also quite aware of the problem of supervoting, as that was part of the discussions therein. I placed some effort into wording the close precisely to avoid any concern of supervoting. I aimed to give the exact opposite impression that you have taken from my close. I began the close with "As voters have noted" to show that I am deferring to the views expressed on the page, not my own. Of course consensus is not only counting votes but assessing the strength of arguments presented, so I provided an instance (writing "for instance") of an argument which is particularly strong, indeed overwhelming strong: that the topic is literally at the top of Google News. This argument was made by a participant; it is not my own argument, and not a supervote. Writing closes naturally involves highlighting the strongest and most convincing arguments for the close result.

Since at this point there is no reasonable expectation that the article will be deleted, we are only talking about the technical wording of the close. I would rather not go back and forth with this. I will take your comments as indicating that I need to put ever more effort into writing clearly, and I'm especially mortified that you received the opposite of my intended meaning. Manul ~ talk 21:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Great, sorry to have misinterpreted you! I noticed that you overlooked the {{nac}}, and jumped to the conclusion that you were a relative AFD newbie. Glad to know you're aware of the issues, hope I didn't sound patronizing. FourViolas (talk) 22:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hello,

I don't think Wallace ever cited quantum mechanics or paranormal phenomena as evidence for substrate consciousness (and he certainly doesn't do that in the interview with Paulson), although he brings them up in discussions of primordial consciousness. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You changed "hypothesizes" to "believes", while Wallace is underlining that he's only proposing a hypothesis that would have to be rigorously tested.

I don't know why you deleted the word "individual" and the mention of Buddhist theory (your version makes it look as if it's something that Wallace invented, which is not true).

You changed "ongoing vacuum state of consciousness" to "kind of looks like a soul", which certainly represents his intentions worse (as he says in the very next sentence: "but in the Buddhist view, it is more like an ongoing vacuum state of consciousness"). You also removed an additional, clarifying fragment of his quote for unknown reasons. It almost makes it look as if you were interested in presenting his theory in a bad light instead of explaining it as fully and faithfully as possible.

I don't know why you found it necessary to link to Wikipedia's policy on fringe theories, as I left a mention of Novella's critique in the article and only deleted untrue and distorting statements and added some fragments for clarification.. Chilton (talk) 13:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Chilton: Discussion about the article should take place at Talk:B. Alan Wallace. I've responded there. Manul ~ talk 16:13, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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You restored the other two sources - can you point out what they say about Wallace arguing for substrate consciousness? Chilton (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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There’s another dimension of consciousness, which is called the substrate consciousness. This is not mystical. You introduce text about a "mystical" dimension of consciousness, and then there's a description of substrate consciousness, as if it pertained to the "mystical" dimension - this is synthesis. Chilton (talk) 14:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Chilton, please use Talk:B. Alan Wallace for discussion about the article. Manul ~ talk 14:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reno R. Rolle

Hi there! Thanks for the feedback. I actually had already attempted getting the information out via a checkuser request, an email to the "Wikipedia Information Team", and a direct request to the admin who denied the checkuser request. The profile in question was eventually banned independently, so others must have had similar issues.

I was able to update my username quickly, thanks for letting me know, but had a question regarding Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. I was brought into editing this page because I'm the "internet guy," and I had pointed out that the email was suspicious and shouldn't be followed through with. I made a small change (maybe a sentence) since he was worried about it being outdated and being deleted, which triggered the banned user to mark for deletion. As the only other active editor on the page I was thrown into this whole thing, haven't been paid for any of this, and don't really know Reno Rolle personally. I'm happy to disclose my involvement, but haven't yet due to the unique circumstances of everything.

As far as notability requirements go, could you offer more insight? I'm obviously not experienced in editing articles, but to me, it does seem like he meets/exceeds the requirements. He's clearly not a household name, but he has created a product that won a prestigious award and was licensed under a household brand name, created infomercials and products that were household names (and are still recognized today), and has been CEO for a number of branches of recognized brands (HSN, National Lampoon), as well as several other aspects.

For sources, I made a point to avoid most primary sources (like press releases from a company), unless it referenced Reno Rolle's role in the company (like becoming CEO), which would arguably be a secondary source for the individual referenced. Otherwise, any action mentioned by the company was referenced by a secondary source. I'd be happy to look into sources or discuss on the talk page if you think that would help.

Otherwise, if you could provide some specifics into why you believe he lacks the necessary notability or why the sources are inadequate, I can forward the information over to Reno Rolle. Without additional information, it really feels like the violating solicitor wins because it would have been better for Reno Rolle to have paid him the money, just to avoid being scrutinized above and beyond most businessperson bios.

Either way, I appreciate your insight and am hoping to provide some clarity to future editors as well as Reno Rolle (and be done with this whole thing). Thanks! (originally Designaco) Waderex (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Waderex. Just to ease your mind a little, I should mention that I came across the article independently through my periodic search of links to naturalnews.com, a website that is rather far from meeting Wikipedia's standards for a reliable source. Wikipedia articles linking to it are likely to have problems. I was about to submit the article to AfD when I saw it had already been submitted.

I didn't know you had already contacted someone. Who is the "Wikipedia Information Team"? Was it Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team? In any case I'm awaiting a response from an arbitrator regarding the protection scheme. I'd like to know what can be done about the situation.

The reason I brought up WP:COI is that you mentioned you worked for Rolle and that you came here upon his request. I'd say that definitely makes you connected per WP:COI, even if you don't receive payment for editing, per se.

Re notability, I looked through the sources and there's really only one independent source that actually discusses him (not just a product) and that would count toward notability: the Ventura County Star, a local newspaper covering some locals who have a business. Press releases don't count. Without independent coverage of him winning an award (what it's about, why he won it, etc.), it's difficult to make a case for an award making him notable. In all, the article seems much like an online resume. Because my google searches didn't turn up much else, I'm not optimistic that the article can survive. Manul ~ talk 18:49, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. For transparency I'm going to add these topics to the talk page for the actual article. I'll circle back to you once it's up since your feedback on the page would be helpful. Thanks! Waderex (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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