Jump to content

User talk:NSLE/Archive 9

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archive 9

[edit]

User:Jeffrey Tuttle

[edit]

Myu mouse must have slipped - thanks for fixing. I have blocked Jason about 20-30 times, and I know to block indef. KillerChihuahua?!? 00:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jedi6 RfA

[edit]

I'm not arguing with your oppose vote, I'm just wondering how many edits a month you consider is active and how many project edits is good. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My talkpage

[edit]

Thanks for removing the vandalism. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Am I on IRC?

[edit]

Yes. --Celestianpower háblame 09:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock 207.200.116.10 (please?)

[edit]

Any chance you can unblock this IP? It's an AOL IP that was autoblocked by you (apparantly). I am trying to add a legitimate article which I've worked on for a little while and I'm not able to because of the block. The autoblock is a few hours old, and I'm sure that the troublemaker has moved on.

Thanks. --Brianvdb 10:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that this has been taken care of. Thanks for the quick response! --Brianvdb 11:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RFA Thanks

[edit]

Thank you for your questions and support vote on my RFA. The final result was a successful request based on 111 support and 1 oppose. --CBDunkerson 11:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS2pcGAMER's RFA

[edit]

Hi NSLE. On my RFA you said to drop you a message if you haven't decided within two days, so here it is. Cheers! --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, the author of the book, Phyllis Sturdivant Sweetster, is dead. She is/was likely the only copyright holder of the image. Icelandic Hurricane #12 11:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

your comment on cscwem's rfa

[edit]

Apart from the other user saying I had every right to be a wet blanket, maybe you can do me a favor. See, I don't want to be a dick or be incivil, but maybe you could take a look at my voting history and see how I've voted in the past. I am only rarely in favor of an RFA, for a variety of reasons I don't have to elaborate on you. But maybe, save me the trouble of calling you an idiot, and read the pages associated with my user page, and reconsider your "something useful to do" comment. I certainly don't need to hear that kind of rhetoric from the likes of you. xoxo, ... aa:talk 01:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catch

[edit]

Nice catch with this edit, I probably shouldn't be trying things like this at 3:00 AM anyways. ;) FWIW, it looks like all of those templates have been successfully orphaned (with help from Phil Boswell (talk · contribs)), so we can probably TFD them now. =) —Locke Coletc 10:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

[edit]
The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date:
"Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated."
The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them.
Information
Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!
  1. The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details.
  2. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page.
  3. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly.
A plea from the editor...
The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there.
Signed...

meany!

[edit]

You can't be a candidate Advisory Commitee! Then i don't have a chance. :P ILovEPlankton 00:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spam

[edit]

NSLE, this is not spamming. I already opened a discussion on the admin page you know. Noone claims that this is spamming maybe except you. Please note that I am informing a selected group of people who I think might not be aware of the developments on the proposal. Thanks... Resid Gulerdem 03:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did personalized each by changing the names. Resid Gulerdem 04:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jedi6's RfA Oppose votes

[edit]

The oppose tally was probably one off due to User:Phair's vote being stricken twice. Honest Mistake. Jedi6-(need help?) 12:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

[edit]

Heh, many thanks for the autograph! And best of luck to you too. Banez 13:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work!

[edit]

Working Man's Barnstar

The Working Man's Barnstar
I, Pilotguy award you this barnstar for your work on copyediting all those articles! Pilot|guy 02:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

[edit]

Firstly, thanks alot for your assistance with the User:Gator1 case, I hope his personal information is hidden from the public as soon as possible, and that the perpetrators are caught and perhaps charged. The reason I'm contacting you is rather silly, but I thought it would be quicker to get a response from you than to research the subject. I notice that the Date/Time stamp on your edits is personalized, with the date actually being linked and in the "<small>" format. I was just wondering how this is done? I know you can alter your User stamp, but how can you do so with the time/date? Or is it simpler than I thought? Sorry to bother you over this but I would appreciate a response, thanks!. — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 05:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Font size on Hurricane Floyd

[edit]

Hi. I urge you to reconsider your decision to use small font for references. Sorry, I have reverted your revert for now. Before reverting me again, please read my arguments on Talk:Hurricane Floyd#Font size for references. This is important for me. I do have problems reading that small font and I know enough people (also wikipedians) who have the same problem with small fonts. Do you really want to make reading for us that hard just to safe a bit of screen space? This is not paper here, so there is no book that gets thicker by this. And if it was a book I would have no problem with the smaller font because printed stuff has a much higher resolution than current screen technology. If you decide to disagree with me on this, I will seek input from other users. I would then propose to do an RFC about the use of small fonts for references. Thank you for your careful consideration.

This is not intended to put up a fight. I just have an important problem reading small fonts and don't see the benefit of making wikipedia harder to read in order to make a section a little bit less tall. Please assume good faith. Best regards and wiki-greetings, --Ligulem 09:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

copied from talk:Hurricane Floyd:
I apologize for being so persistent about the font size. I finally found out that I can define the font of the references for myself in my User:Ligulem/monobook.css. I would recommend to set the 85% font size for the references in Mediawiki:Monobook.css. I have posted a message on this on the tech village pump [1]. Sorry again. --Ligulem 22:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A KISS Rfa Thanks

[edit]

Thank you, I've been promoted. pschemp | talk 01:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious: you deleted a redirect here [2]. Why was that? Arbustoo has asked me on my Talk page. Just zis Guy you know? 10:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN

[edit]

Why has a legitimate question and a invite to Wikipedia:Paranormal Watchers removed ? Martial Law 01:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC) :)[reply]

Impressive....

[edit]

Impressive Wikipedia organization you belong to. Ours ia about wikipedians who have had bizarre experiences and/or investigate these matters. Martial Law 01:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC) :)[reply]

You know the line abut the PAGASA name you added to this article? Would you be able to list the source for that? a) out of interest and b) WP:CITE and all that. Thanks, mate. :D -- Sarsaparilla39 11:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2005 AHS storm articles

[edit]

Hey, as the latest 2005 vote indicates a 'yes' by a significant ratio, if nowhere near true consensus, I thought I would just explain how I see this interacting with the past. As we go backwards in time information on the lesser storms gets more sparse, and so non-notable storms fail to get additional information beyond their season summary. This means somewhere about 2002, any attempt to follow 2005 rules will cease to provide anything additional, so it is practical I think. I feel that this is an appropriate time for this dispute to go for mediation, personally I prefer the informal option at this time. What do you think of this idea? Nilfanion 15:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE. Bill

[edit]

Its finished, now all its needs is a good copyedit and it will be ready to go into the mainspace. Storm05 14:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mcfly85/Bloop

[edit]

Thanks for blocking that sockpuppet. Could you block Bloop1 too? He just vandalized my user page also. Moe ε 02:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

;-) Moe ε 02:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


NSLE, would you be willing to take a look at McKhan's recent behavior on Talk:Al-Ahbash?Timothy Usher 06:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy, Are you trying to get me banned? Didn't you just writ these lines: McKhan, I agree with your comment way back in the talk page, "However, Al-Ahbash / Habashies / AICP don't appreicate that nor the fact that if I will write that page according to my wishes, that page will NOT be somewhat NEUTRAL like the way Tearlach has written."Timothy Usher 02:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC) - McKhan[reply]
Your relentless personalization of discussions is unacceptable, as a glance through the page's history will show. It is also entirely inappropriate to say you've been watching my edit history and insinuate that you somehow know where I live or what I do. Finally, consider the content of the article as it stands. Everything I've seen from you in our brief period of contact constitutes an ongoing violation of several wikipedia policies.
The reason I wrote what you've just referenced is that it shows that you consciously and deliberately wrote the article in a non-neutral way.Timothy Usher 07:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I NEVER wrote the complete version of Al-Ahbash. Tearlach wrote it. All I did is to include that table and I invited all the knowledgeable parties to get involved. Lets be honest and fair here. I suggested to you many times, on the Talk page of Al-Ahbash, that please go and educate yourself about the subject (in this case: Al-Ahbash) before contributing to Wikipedia Islam-related pages. Rather taking my suggestion seriously and sincerely, you are simply trying to offer your arguments which constitutes to POVs under Wikipedia guidelines. And on the top of that, you are trying to get me banned which is NOT only inappropriate but also uncivil as you are trying to force your POVs over the POVs who are directly affected and have some know-how of the subject. As far as, the knowledge of your wherabouts is concerned, It was listed on your own User Page sometime ago. It is perfectly normal and legitimate to see through the History of Wikipedia pages. How does it constitue to violaiton of Wikipedia guidelines? Even the Administrators do that. And last but not the least, as far as Al-Ahbash is concerned, Tearlach's version, a NEUTRAL, non-Muslim and non-Al-Ahbash party, continues to meet the Wikipedia NPOV guidelines - than - Al-Ahbash / Habashies' partially and promotionally written version which does NOT only lack balance but also elminates all the contrary elements. It is disservice and blatant violation of Wikipedia NPOV-guidelines to support a partially and promotionally written version. McKhan
May I take your kind attention to this Request for Check User which is pertinent in due course. McKhan

Happy Easter!

[edit]
It's bunny time - Happy Easter NSLE! (I recommend a tall glass of cold beer to help the chocolate go down). --Alf melmac 16 April 2006

Sorry

[edit]

I'm sorry if you think I'm too new to be an adminship but I've been being a Wikipedian since December, 2003. I just didn't have an account. I know all about Wikipedia. I have interviewed many Wikipedians and have even made friends with a few. I WAS a perfect adminship nominee. An old nominee, General Eisenhower 17:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Double Level categories

[edit]

I see you reverted two of my changes. Please note that my purpose is to implement the Wiki interest in not having articles categorized both directly in a cateogry and indirectly in a subcategory of the category. Since the subcategory includes the article, what benefit is achieved by also having the article in the category? Thanks. Hmains 18:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And the Winner Is ...

[edit]

Greetings, NSLE/Archive 9. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to Sango123 for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here.



If you'd like to participate in the contest again, check by the contest page in a few days and sign up. See you around. (^'-')^ Covington 03:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Monica

[edit]

Hey NSLE, A Category 1 (Australian) Cyclone, Monica, formed early today in the Coral Sea. I followed protocol and added it to the 2005-06 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season page. Somebody saw fit to make a new page for it, something I deem superfluous. I have listed it for deletion and was wondering if you could speedy it for me. Let me know. Cheers. TydeNet 06:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prasi90

[edit]

I am not happy that Prasi90 has ended up blocked indefinitely. I recognize he has his reasons for feeling the way he does, but he has shown virtually no evidence that he intends to edit Wikipedia in a NPOV manner. His legal threats were the last thing though. At that point, there is nothing left to do but indefinitely ban him.--MONGO 09:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:LNBS

[edit]

Sure. Hurricanehink 00:31, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did the articles and some of the links to them, but do I have to do all of them? I mean, what are the odds that someone would look for the page in the first place? Hurricanehink 00:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but what about other existing links. There are a lot of double redirects now. Should I fix them, or is it fine because it's a user page? Hurricanehink 00:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I really apologize after what happened yesterday.I am trying to get some help for getting the page ready for publishing. You were 1 of my 4 choices, the other 3 were RattleMan, Jdorje and hink. You were very helpful before-would you be willing to help.I'll think of something to give in return. Thanks.HurricaneCraze32 20:31, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thought you should know

[edit]

Karmafist recently tried to get in contact with you on Esperanzas IRC. ILovEPlankton 00:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Jonathan'

[edit]

Hi, you blocked Jonathan 666 (talk · contribs) as with an expiry time of indefinite (known sock/meatpuppet). I wonder if you could give me some more information, as you left no information on his talk or user page. I can see no vandalism in his edits, and socks/meats aren't in themselves a reason to block. Is he a sock of a banned user? I realise that this user has been using multiple 'Jonathan' accounts. He said that this was due to constant blocking accusing him of being a Daniel Brandt sock which he denies [3] [4]. I previously instructed him to stick to this one account, and that if he did I would review any blocks placed on it. The chances are, if left blocked he will use other socks, and I think it better (unless he is a banned user) that we encourage/allow him to use this sole account. I'm not going to unblock him, because you may have had a reason to block that I'm not aware of. But, I'd like to know. Thanks. --Doc ask? 21:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a checkuser done, which has confirmed that he's not Brandt. I then posted to ANI to get some more eyes, and there seems to be a general consensus to unblock. I'm going to do that, but if I have missed something obvious I'm sorry. Thanks. --Doc ask? 23:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for leniency on behalf of Rgulerdem

[edit]

Hello NSLE. I hope you will not take offense, but I have taken your advice and opened a request for arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Appeal_for_leniency_on_behalf_of_User:Rgulerdem. I believe 100% that you have acted in good faith. I just feel that an indefinite block is a very serious matter and I think the user deserves more of a chance to be heard. I hope this matter will resolve quickly so it does not take too much more of our time. Johntex\talk 03:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Chiming in, about the protection of his talk page: it might have been better to let someone else handle it? Would you consider un-protecting and asking on ANI if someone else not "involved" (whatever that means) thinks protection is in order?
    brenneman{L} 05:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • As clerk to the Arbitration Committee, I have removed some threaded discussion from the application. If I inadvertently removed something you wished to raise in your statement, please feel free to add it back as part of your statement. Please keep the application clear by refraining from threaded discussion of other editors' statements. --Tony Sidaway 01:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New ANI thread

[edit]

I've asked for a review of the indefinate block here. In the absence of further discussion from you, I'm also unprotecting his talk page. I will consider it within the scope of reasonable behavior if you re-protect, but ask that you comment at the above location if you choose to do so. - brenneman{L} 00:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another request for leniency on behalf of Rgulerdem

[edit]

Hello NSLE, I think Rgulerdem's heart is in the right place and NOBODY deserves to be blocked indefinitely. I please please please request that you unblock him and give him another chance. Netpari 20:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AC elections

[edit]

I must have just missed it because when I went there it was red. ILovEPlankton 02:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're an admin right? speedy delete it yourself I never would want to get wikipedia in trouble, so you have my permission to delete it. ILovEPlankton 02:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem, I never thought it might get Wikipedia into trouble, but know that I do think about it realize you are right, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. ILovEPlankton 02:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza stress

[edit]

Hi NSLE, I'm sorry that you feel so bad about what happened today. Please don't see it as 'being shot down', I can guarantee you that it was not meant in that way. There should be rules about this for the future, as there aren't any right now, I guess that it's still a valid point for discussion, but that's not something that is an attack on you or your actions in any way. It's a good thing that friends on Wikipedia stand up for each other, we need more friendly people so I hope you'll stick around. --JoanneB 05:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NSLE: I've yet to figure out what the Esperanza Advisory Committee actually is, and I don't know what might of transpired on IRC, but I do know you didn't do anything wrong by posting Karmafist's statement. (I'm using a special, esoteric technique I call "common sense" to tell me that.) Cheers. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...and while I haven't been involved in the EAC bit, if I can spread some more love around, I've appreciated your work lately on both a few of the hurricane articles and some run of the mill vandalism reverts. In both cases, I've started to edit an article only to find that you were a step ahead of me. But really, you've got to stop showing me up, or the wiki-babes won't think I'm an alert editor. Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 10:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have some lovely Esperanza coffee and sit back and relax for a bit. -- Natalya 16:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that you'll do ok. Anonymous_anonymous Have a Nice Day 00:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement

[edit]

I hope you don't mind, but I fixed some spelling and grammar in your Esperanza statement.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought it referred to the first clause of the sentence.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

your response to my comment

[edit]

i believe you misunderstood. when i said "i think most users opposed becuase NLSE did" i didnt mean that you conspired against him, i meant that you are very popluar, and respected (i respect you greatly) to the point that users inadvertantly side with you, becuase of the reputation you have. looking back on it, i see that wasnt the case. you should take that as a complement, not an accusation. Vulcanstar6 02:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Old Skool Esperanzial note

[edit]

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ian13

[edit]

Hi NSLE, as far as I could find (and I've asked others about it too) there is no rule against listing yourself when the elections have already begun, so I relisted Ian13. Regards, --JoanneB 17:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discounted votes

[edit]

NSLE,

Thanks for this edit. Don't worry, we'll get all of the ineligible voters in the long run. I had already started discounting votes here. If we don't get them during the election, we'll definitely get them after the election closes. In the meantime, we may tally first and discount later, as the latter takes up more time than the former. Thanks, and let me know if you have any questions or comments. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 17:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

General Eisenhower

[edit]

Hi there! I just read your comment on General Eisenhower's signature, and thought it was slightly too harsh. Remember that the user is still quite new to Wikipedia, and was not pretending to be an admin - he had just been a little premature in using a signature that made him look like one. Although I disagree with a lot that he does, I'm sure he did it in good faith. ConDemTalk 01:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, thanks for your reply. You might be right that heavy-handedness is the best way in this case. I just wanted to point out as well that although he seems a little too determined to become an admin sometimes, he's never pretended to be one, and I'm sure he didn't mean to when he used that sig. I might just remove the italics, and add a please, if that's alright! ConDemTalk 01:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I kept the italics, and added a bit of explanation. Obviously, change it back if you disagree with it. I thought he might not quite understand why the strictness was needed. ConDemTalk 01:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Open proxy?

[edit]

Hi NSLE,

Do you know how to determine if 12.4.27.44 (talk · contribs) is an open proxy or not? It's an obvious sock of the permabanned User:Bonaparte anyhow. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 08:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. —Khoikhoi 08:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Australian TCRs

[edit]

I raised that issue of windspeed on Larry, from what might be the TCR (I'm not sure, is it?). In any case, what I'm asking about now is a copyright thing. The images there are BoM copyright, can we use them? There are rainfall graphics, like the ones the HPC produces, for instance.--Nilfanion 11:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OTRS received a ticket on this article from the gentleman whos changes you reverted [5]. I couldn't see immediately why you had reverted since he seemed to add a lot of good information. I was wondering if perhaps you only meant to undo his last edit where he put in a signature and a few links to the same site in the text or if there was a reason to revert all of the information that just I didn't catch. Thanks! .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 13:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

General Eisenhower using admin template.

[edit]

General Eisenhower has decided to use the admin template again: [6]. DarthVader 23:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for voting on my RfA

[edit]

--Mets501talk • contribs 01:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

[edit]

Hi NSLE, Thanks for the note. I am ready to leave the past behind. I would not prefer similar disputes arise again. Let us be more careful... Best, Resid Gulerdem 05:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A little push needed

[edit]

This could use one more input either way.1 I know what I'd like to do, but if you could give this a quick look and place your recomendation so that I can close this, I'd be happy. - brenneman{L} 05:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. You're the only person sensibleα who's on my watchlist for the last few minutes.
α. Sensible should not be interpreted here to think you'll agree with me, to avoid any implication of vote stacking!