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May 2024
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- Thanks. I'm glad to see that redirect finally turn into an article that was WP:SPLIT from the over-long Nithyananda, where all the Kailaasa content was turning into a WP:COATRACK. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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cite AFM
Hi, when you use {{cite AFM}} could you please also use {{sfn whitelist|CITEREFO'Donovan1856}} to prevent the false Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors it causes? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @DuncanHill: What would be causing that in the first place? It's set (now, correctly) with O'Donovan as author name and 1856 as date. I'm almost done fixing all the manual
|John O'Donovan=|1856=stuff that had to be done the way the AFM template was formerly mis-coded (with|author=AKA|last=wrongly containing the entire author name). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)- I leave the whys to the clever people who invent such clever templates - it'll be something to do with the AFM template. But see Template:Sfn whitelist and Category:Harv and Sfn template errors#Current limitations and false-positive errors for more of an explanation. DuncanHill (talk) 23:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @DuncanHill: Ah, I see. It just needs to be explicitly whitelisted in Module:Footnotes, and I've made a request to this effect at Module talk:Footnotes#AFM. This template is used frequently enough that this would be better than requiring people to go around manually peppering articles with an
{{sfn whitelist}}thing. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)- Thanks. I have Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors watchlisted, and it's been filling up with your edits! DuncanHill (talk) 23:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Should get fixed soon-ish, though I have no control over how quickly the maintainers of the module act on such matters. As a template-editor, I could in theory just go do it, but I'm a wiki-template-language nerd, and can't really Lua my way out of a paper bag, so it's safer to let the Lua module experts deal with it. I noticed you adding the
{{sfn whitelist}}template, but it seems like a lot of work to do and then later undo for a temporary display problem that doesn't actually even affect the citations' functionality.- When you're trying to empty a category it helps not to have it half-filled with false-positives. I try to remove all additions as they pop up on my watchlist, as well as working through the list. By the time I've arrived on an article and seen what the problem is, it doesn't take much longer to fix if it just needs whitelist. DuncanHill (talk) 23:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, I have some workflows like that as well. :-) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- When you're trying to empty a category it helps not to have it half-filled with false-positives. I try to remove all additions as they pop up on my watchlist, as well as working through the list. By the time I've arrived on an article and seen what the problem is, it doesn't take much longer to fix if it just needs whitelist. DuncanHill (talk) 23:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Should get fixed soon-ish, though I have no control over how quickly the maintainers of the module act on such matters. As a template-editor, I could in theory just go do it, but I'm a wiki-template-language nerd, and can't really Lua my way out of a paper bag, so it's safer to let the Lua module experts deal with it. I noticed you adding the
- Thanks. I have Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors watchlisted, and it's been filling up with your edits! DuncanHill (talk) 23:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @DuncanHill: Ah, I see. It just needs to be explicitly whitelisted in Module:Footnotes, and I've made a request to this effect at Module talk:Footnotes#AFM. This template is used frequently enough that this would be better than requiring people to go around manually peppering articles with an
- I leave the whys to the clever people who invent such clever templates - it'll be something to do with the AFM template. But see Template:Sfn whitelist and Category:Harv and Sfn template errors#Current limitations and false-positive errors for more of an explanation. DuncanHill (talk) 23:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in May! - Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
How to use sfnp when there is more than one issue of a journal in the same year?
I've been cleaning up weak citations at Neoplasticism, which has the potential to be a GA. I've bumped up against the question of what to do when there is a need to cite more than one issue of a journal in the same year. The ideal would be {{sfnp|Smith|May 1924|page=123}} but that is interpreted as Smith & May 1924 p.123. I've kludged around it using ref={{sfnref to make 1924a, 1924b etc., but it is far from ideal: in context, Smith (May 1924) p.123 would be "nicer" and easier for inexperienced editors to use. Have I missed a trick or would it need a template enhancement? (If it would, whether it would be 'value for money' 
is a whole other question.) What do you think? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @JMF:
{{sfnref}}is hardcoded to only accept date parameter input in the form YYYY or YYYYx, where x is a single letter. You can't even do YYYYxz. This whole "1924a" and "1924b" stuff is actually a poor idea (imported wholesale from one or another of the offsite citation styles, probably Chicago/Turabian, though I misremember). It's a poor idea on WP because it presumes that the sources will be listed in a and b order and that this order will never change, which is an assumption that cannot be depended upon in a wiki. The editor adding the material might have put them in backwards order, or some later editor might have moved them around, or another editor might have added a third source from same author and year that goes between the original a and b. It would actually be better for{{sfnref}}to support more specific date formats like Monthname YYYY, as you desire, though it would take some testing with a bunch of templates to ensure that the #CITEREF... anchor ouput this generated actually worked with everything like{{sfnp}}and{{harvp}}. For right now, the solution still actually is to do|ref={{sfnref|Smith|1924a}}. A more manual alternative would be to do|ref=Smith (May 1924), and do citations to this in the form<ref>[[#Smith (May 1924)|Smith (May 1924)]], p. 123.</ref>. There are articles in which I have done this a few times because of an important source author churning out several articles per year. If same page has to be cited more than once, then a ref name is needed, e.g.:<ref name="Smith (May 1924), p. 123">[[#Smith (May 1924)|Smith (May 1924)]], p. 123.</ref>and a later<ref name="Smith (May 1924), p. 123" />. Code-wise, it's a bit ugly, but for the end reader is much more sensible than "Smith (1924b), p. 123", especially since we cannot (per WP:REUSE) expect that every reuse of WP content will include a link between the "1924b" string and the intended specific citation. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)- so even messier than I thought
. I hadn't appreciated that the a and b suffixes are position dependent. Which <expletive deleted> thought that idea would survive contact with reality? (Rhetorical question.) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 08:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- We've done a lot of stuff that tends to presume "links will always be there for the reader, and will work as the editor presently intends, and will be something the reader will reliably use", all of which are assumptions that can fail for particular use cases. In the grand scheme of things, though, it is probably higher priority to fix all the uncited claims and the claims that fail verification with the sources that are provided, than to resolve potential confusion between two or three of the same-author-and-year citations that are at least present and can be verified with slightly more effort than would ideally be required. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Which is what I suspected when I wrote
... whether it would be 'value for money'
. "No further action at this time". --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC) is a whole other question.
- Which is what I suspected when I wrote
- We've done a lot of stuff that tends to presume "links will always be there for the reader, and will work as the editor presently intends, and will be something the reader will reliably use", all of which are assumptions that can fail for particular use cases. In the grand scheme of things, though, it is probably higher priority to fix all the uncited claims and the claims that fail verification with the sources that are provided, than to resolve potential confusion between two or three of the same-author-and-year citations that are at least present and can be verified with slightly more effort than would ideally be required. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- so even messier than I thought
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Got edit warring there again. Geogene (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Argh. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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