User talk:Theresa knott/archive20

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Deletion of William C. Hetzel and Dave Gelperin Articles

Howdy, Theresa, I have read through both the criteria for deletion for speedy deletion and notability requirements for [| BLP] articles. It's my understanding that according to the criteria for deletion under article 3, an article (such as Dave_Gelperin or William_C._Hetzel) includes ""No context. Very short articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Example: "He is a funny man with a red car. He makes people laugh." Context is different from content, treated in A3, below." So, while the articles do not exactly match the wording of the "empty" box, they do apply to the criteria for deletion using that dag. The articles do not lack content (are not empty), but they do lack context. Is there a better way to nominate these articles? I am new to Wikipedia as an editor but have used it for years. I appreciate your time and effort and guidance.

V/R

Wikiwikikid (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I think that you are confusing content for context though. I do not deny that these men did what the articles claim (although the Gelerpin one clearly had advertising text mixed in, which I did remove). However, there is no context to substantiate it. From every SD and AfD that I've seen, "a quick search" (i.e. Google) is not justification for any argument (as countless editors and admin assert). Further I've seen many long-standing articles (that are longstanding likely due to the fact that they likely went unnoticed early on and were rarely seen afterward). Reference the history for both articles, that they are long standing, yet have scarce edits, and have yet to be expanded only highlights the fact that there is little or no relevant context. Thanks for the quick response though. What are your opinions regarding these assertions? I ask, knowing that this is not the place for debate, but realizing that you being an editor would likely be able to give me best guidance. Thanks. Wikiwikikid (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Age

No i am not 5. Wow you really must feel important, I mean god... what I would give to be an administrator on an online encyclopedia. You must have the dream job. (I hope you got my sarcasm in that last passage as i find it quite hard to portray it over the internet without the ability to change the tone of my voice) Anywho I hope you have fun deleting all my future inputs to this wonderful site, coming soon to a page near you. Thankyou and goodnight. Chazer600 (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Time

Before the wanton deletion of images beggins can I please ask for 5 days in order to sort out the copywright info on them? If I don't have them by then I will delete them myself.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geronimo57 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Can I delete my own talk page or must that be kept recorded for future media exposure when I become Foreign Minister (I intend to) and be mocked by the public? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geronimo57 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Mutchas gracias senhorita. May the peace of God be upo ye. Salam Aleikum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geronimo57 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Elina Networks looks like an advert

Hi, I just wanted a page with some info about our company. It was copy pasted from our profile so I guess it read like an ad. I've edited it.

Hope it's ok now.

Thanks. PrasannaK79 (talk) 09:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Mmbabies

Not to revive contraversy or anything, but I'm still noticing what I would like to call "personal attacks" on the Mmbabies page uncensored. Not that I'm looking for a fight or anything, but I just don't think it's fair, whenever anyone has made an attack at Mmbabies it's been bleeped. Not to bite at Rio or anything, but if you look carefully, I think you'll see a lot of the "superhero" style on Rio's part, not mine. For instance, it was him that said "Hey dude, thanks for doing that. I was researching info about that idoit boy people tried to file reports and where declined to help. Man dude you finally stop this prick from his games. Thanks for all your help. You may have stoped one of the wrost Wikipedian vandal in history. Oh it should be added in the books; that user:rio de oro , and user:GO-PCHS-NJROTC stoped user:Mmbabies from making threats aganist people. Thanks for all your help man" and "Spread the word that Mmbabies is gone from here" on my talk page, not me (see Archive 3). Immediately after, I mentioned barnstars, but that was just a question out of curiosity, nothing else. There's been many other vandals just as bad or worse than this fool, I realize this. Also notice that I told Rio "Don't get your hopes too high, we don't really know yet. Lets wait and see what happens." I don't feel that I have had that uper hero attitude; I've known for two years that abuse reporting is messy business, there's a 50-50 chance that an ISP will totally blow a person off. The same applies to government agencies. Why sure, I've played along with Rio and his overreaction a little bit; I think he's been trying to contribute in good faith, so I've been trying to comply with WP:BITE on the matter because of his intention to help, not hinder, but I've always known some of what he's been doing crosses the line (and not the equator either, get it?). Now I don't want to take sides (or tick anyone off at me), but I don't think it's fair for you to associate me with his actions when all I've been doing is acting within the guidelines set out by WP:BOLD, especially after I left comments like "Seriously Rio de Oro, you can't go sayin' crap about the hackers like that. I think all hackers and spammers should be fed to the alligators, but I never (well, never say never) make attacks (other than the usual, acceptable vandal fighting) at them. It gives them too much joy, and hacker/spammer joy is a mess. If you're gonna threaten vandals, at least try to be civil about it (like me, try using the {whois} template) and make it more of a promise, not a threat, because threats are for Mmbabies and LBHS Cheerleader, not vandal fighters." and "It's because everyone knows Mmbabies is full of BS." Once again, I don't want to point the finger at Rio or anything, but one of the big reasons I made such a big deal out of the case is because of constant pushing from him; I had slowed to just simply reporting new IPs to abuse AT att DOT net, but people have been really beating up on me to try to get the FBI and the police to tell me what was going on, which I know would have just encouraged them to ignore us and ignore me on all future cases as I've done that with similar cases and they already told me they don't diclose information on their cases, so I came up with the creative plan (which worked) to complain to the Better Business Bureau; I figured that would force an answer from AT&T which would calm the rage a little bit. Now I was uncertain myself about contacting the news, that's why I proposed it instead of jumping in immediately. I wanted to reserve that as a last resort, I knew I had to do something or I'd never hear the end of the constant pressure. At times, I regret even getting involved in this one, it's been a bit of a circus, especially recently. I say, we (we?) need to start that Mmbabies page with completely clean, delete the talk page and the main page (this removes the logs, which I think give this troll too much glory as is), rewrite the main page, removing any unneeded trivial information, ban Rio and I from it if you desire, and keep a look out for not only AT&T socks, but socks from other Houston, Texas ISPs as well as he'll be returning on another ISP if he returns. Just as R. Baley said to me, you should realize who your "friendlies" are; I'm on your side if you're here to fight IC (internet crime), and I think the "superhero" comments is kind of like "friendly fire." GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I've archived the comment. Actually I've archived the who section, no need to have it on the page. Is that OK? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Thanks! GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Btw, you don't think the comment I left at Rio de oro's talk page is going light him up like a firecracker do you? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 17:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

No, he may well listen to you better than he will me. Theresa Knott | The otter sank

Re: Zachary Jaydon

Theresa, I am still having an issue with user "thegingerone" and her rants on various pages about me, about Zachary Jaydon, about my supposed identity etc. I am at my wits end. I don't want to continue having these rants. I was stupid enough to respond, and would like to delete my comment to end the argument. At this point I don't care about having the last word. I would just like this nonsense to be finished. It has been going on plenty long enough. She says she's over it constantly after leaving putrid messages on my talk page and the talk pages of articles I've worked on, but keeps continuing to rant. She had an admin reprimand me for giving out "personal information" but is doing the same by claiming to know me and saying I'm this person or that person, etc. The information is completely inaccurate, and I honestly don't care much, however the principle is the same. Long story short... please let me know if it's fine to delete my comments from "The Mickey Mouse Club" page or if it's not. I know as soon as I put up my next article, it's going to be butchered and probably AfD by her immediately... It's just frustrating. I'd like to eliminate myself from this mess completely. It's insane. Thank you, Theresa. I am coming to you because I know you're level headed, knowledgeable and get back to me quickly. Skyler Morgan (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Id just like to respond as this is just more dribble against me. Giving out my personal information is against wikipedia as I am not editing articles about myself. Me saying Skyler Morgan is Zachary Jaydon is revelant because he is editing articles about HIMSELF thus violating NPOV policies. I dont want the last word; I just wanted to correct something I said as I believe I left you a message awhile back on it. Skyler Morgan was not a real person; it was an alias he and Bledsoe used well at 44th Floor Records. I have an email to prove this. So yes Zachary Jaydon is Skyler Morgan; does not like the fact I called him on it, and is editing articles on himself. I mean why would anyone sit there and edit articles about this nobody? I might as well go write articles about myself too! Id like to see him banned from Wikipedia again (as he once was) because Im just tired of it. All he does is self promote; overembellish; and slander. It gets old. Not to mention he constantly has left me dirty messages on my talk page; then runs crying to admins when I get fed up and respond telling him to knock it off. There is only so much I can take. I've ignored him since November but apparently hes been watching me ever since; which is quite creepy. He needs a life. If you would like my proof feel free to ask. Im not overtly concerned though; all his claims are either false or grossly embellished; anything he writes will be deleted in no time by anyone other then myself. Id appreciate any help in this matter. Thank you.--Thegingerone (talk) 02:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Id like to add now I have written a new blog (to beat him to posting it) following Jaydon's claims. And Therea dear I have some damning proof Skyler Morgan is J.aydon (and thus should not be editing on himself). First up (Im sure by the time you read this he'll have edited it) on the Close to Home band page (which he claims in his article) if you look under influences it says Zachary Jaydon manager; Skyler Morgan legal. Now EVEN IF they were seperate people that would be a conflict of interest. To top it off I have an email from 44th Floor Records stating Skyler Morgan is not real and an alias used by both Bledsoe and Jaydon at various points. I have screenshots of both. If you want them Id be happy to provide. Something needs to be done; and he needs to be blocked from editing about himself. Im sick of his slander and self promotion. Please help. Thanks--Thegingerone (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

OK I made this point a while ago but I'll make it again. It doesn't matter who he is as long as all statements are sourced. Both of you please read WP:COI. Secondly I think it would be best if both of you agreed not to post anything on each other's talk pages at all. Thirdly, no posting of personal information please. It' not nice. Skyler. I think deleting your comments in order to diffuse the argument is fine. Thegingerone instead of trying to prove who skyler is or isn't instead insist everything he adds has a good reliable source to corroborate it, because if it doesn't it can't go in. OTOH Skyler if you can provide good independent sources to back up your claims then it certainly can go in. Is that a good plan for you both? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree a persons information should not be posted on Wikipedia. However when they are posting about themselves it is slightly important. And on that note I never posted anything personal about 'Skyler Morgan' which makes that claim hilarious. He didnt delete my comments to difuse an argument; he deleted them because he did not like them and posted something slandering me in return. I'll agree to your terms. It's quite simple; he has no sources and everything he posts is PR bull. I've proven my point; I dont need to reprove it.--Thegingerone (talk) 10:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I have posted my article on Zachary Jaydon, omitting anything unsourced sufficiently for the time being. Thank you for your help. I'm sure I'll be asking for more in the next day or two. You don't know how much I appreciate it. Skyler Morgan (talk) 08:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

That was quicker than I expected. We shall have to see what happens next but the article certainly needs more work. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

If you can show me how to cite a magazine, I can add a number of other good sources. I just need the code, so that it shows up correctly. Skyler Morgan (talk) 08:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Citing sources and examples for newspapers. These two pages should tell you what you need. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 11:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

So, what do I do since my article was nominated for speedy deletion? I have cited reliable sources regarding Jaydon as a noteable songwriter. Can you help me with that? I covered my bases as far as what the previous admins asked for. Skyler Morgan (talk) 18:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd put it on Wikipedia:Deletion review with a link to previous AFD explaining that this isn't an exact recreation as you have now provided evidence of notability and ask for a new AFD instead. 19:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I couldn't find the discussion, but I trust you knowing what you're doing. Let me know if there is anything I need to do, as far as explanations go. Skyler Morgan (talk) 19:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Hang on a min. I haven't done anything. I'm advising you to do it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh. That was my bad. I'm not sure how to go about doing that, but I will try to figure that out. I read your last post wrong. This is the part of Wiki that confuses me. Skyler Morgan (talk) 19:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: thegingerone

This article (Zachary Jaydon) is under-construction and has been well sourced thus far. I will be providing quite a few additional sources in the next day or two. User thegingerone has spent the past several days writing libelous and irrational crap about Mr. Jaydon nearly non-stop. See http://popstressbabble.blogspot.com/ for verification. No, really... If you take even 30 seconds to read any part of the writings at that link, you will see exactly where I'm coming from. I am asking for help to please have her cease editing this page, as it is a blatant COI. I have been obliging in your request to not write anything on her talk page, and have been avoiding articles that I know she has worked on. I think that given the circumstances, she should be smart enough to do the same. I feel like it's obvious that she is stalking pages I work on/create. Thank you again, Theresa. Skyler Morgan (talk) 03:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

She does have a COI, but so very clearly do you. Unless her editing of the article becomes detrimental to the article, and I haven't seen any evidence of that then I see no reason to ask her to stop editing it. If she was vandalising then that would be another matter but she appears to be keeping you on your toes and forcing you to improve the article, which although annoying for you is actually a good thing for Wikipedia. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well spoken. I have done quite a bit more work on it, and included sources I never would have looked for. I wish her intentions were good, but no harm no foul. Thank you once again, and I'll let you know if I need anything else! Skyler Morgan (talk) 07:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I've left a comment at the AFD asking the people there to be wary of anything either of you say and to double check all statements. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand you position on the matter. I do hope you feel like I have sourced this article well. I've certainly tried. Again, thank you for your help. I really do appreciate it. Skyler Morgan (talk) 09:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Woah. I mean... woah.

I just read everything there was to read regarding a certain persistent vandal, and I sincerely wish I hadn't. Madam, your poise is remarkable and your hide rhinocerine. I automatically reached for a Surreal Barnstar, but since you've already got one of those, here's an (almost) equally appropriate one:

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		omgz, Mmbabies. Fullobeans (talk) 01:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

...shaking head, deep sigh...

Would I be correct in my belief that something needs to be done about our friend Rio? [1] (Having just had a quick walkaround through the relevant pages, I see you've already found that edit. All the same, though.) I know he's supposedly just a kid, but I've AGF'ed til I can AGF no more. He's been told. Repeatedly. And he's so strident that WP:DENY wouldn't work--there'd invariably be someone who'd bite when he said something else outrageous. So what are our options here? Gladys J Cortez 00:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I've taken action over the Mmbabies page, and I will enforce it if he pushes his luck. However over the padelophillia thing, he's just a kid full of his own importance. But I'm not willing to do anything yet. I'll watch his edits for now. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough; he just wears me out, is all. Gladys J Cortez 15:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

oops...

Sorry 'bout that. The text Googled back to several sources, but I didn't see Wikipedia among them. Thanks for pointing that out.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 07:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Dorkmo

I just noticed the message you left for User:Dorkmo in the time between my short block of the user and my block message. Feel free to unblock (or not) as you see fit. -- Ed (Edgar181) 19:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll see if he replies. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Tor nodes

Aren't they supposed to be blocked on sight? HalfShadow (talk) 19:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

As far as I am aware yes. Although the situation is fluid, and things could have changed since I last looked. Why are you asking me? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

No particular reason; you're online and I'm likely to get a more immediate answer if I ask you. It just seems that nodes are found and then just left until they do it two or three times before they're actually blocked. This has been going on almost all week. HalfShadow (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah another cryptic message. Looking though your contributions list a see what you are talking about. Truth is, I didn't notice it was a tor node. I blocked as soon as I saw the post to the ANI to cause the vandal inconvenience quickly. I didn't check the IP or even the talk page. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, there's something to be said for cryptic messages. Generally it's 'What the hell did he just say?' but still... HalfShadow (talk) 20:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio or mirror

My instinct is to delete a copyvio, as the burden of proof is on the creator to show it's not a violation. 17:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. If I can possibly try to fix it, I will, as with Xavier Neptus. Bearian (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

So you are telling me that all a person has to do is tag it, and you don't even bother to make sure that is was tagged correctly? That's terrible! As an admin your instinct should be to check. Our articles are widely copied all over the net, we can't simply go deleting all our articles,just because someone copied from us. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I am not saying that. I recall checking the other site, which by the way was NOT labeled as a mirror, noting it was clearly a word for word copy, and then deleting it. I always open the alleged original page in another window, then compare and contrast, before deleting it. I have a sub-page on my user page listing every article I've ever deleted, and if it was an AfD or copyvio. In that sense I take my duties as an admin VERY seriously, and also take responsibility for every action. I think this was an honest mistake. In a few cases, I take the time to try to remedy the problem. I have a whole list of my contributions, the copyvio repairs listed specially. I am an attorney by profession. We are trained to be conservative - not in the poltical sense, but in the trust but verify sense. We are also trained to make quick, but not snap decisions, with the facts presented. I also know a bit of Intellectual property law and defamation law, so I am very vigilant about copyright violations and libel. This situation was a "horse of a different color" - it looked like an exact copy of (c) material, but was in fact, a copy of another WP article. I've only recently run into a variety of mirrors, and so I will, in the future, have to take an additional step of confirming that it's not a copy of part of an existing WP article. An example is Gene Malin, another is my user page. Thank your for pointing out that I need to take one more step before hitting that delete button. Sadly, that will make me wary to get involved in such matters. Bearian (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd hate to make you feel that wary about carrying out deletions! It is impossible to do anything in life without ever making an error. I should know, I've made plenty. My original post to you was to simply point out an error, for if we don't have our errors pointed out how are we ever to learn from them? Your reply above lead me to believe that you were cavalier in you attitude towards deletion, but I can see from your latest reply that you are more diligent than I am. So that was a complete misunderstanding on my part, for which I apologise. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That is O.K., I just took a badly-needed three-day wikibreak. Anyway, the list of my deletions is here. Bearian (talk) 18:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Green & Red Numbers

Can you tell me what the Positive (Green) numbers or the Negative (Red) Numbers mean next to a title of an article in your watchlist? I've been wondering, but can't figure it out. I wondered if you would happen to know. Thanks! Skyler Morgan (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

They give an indication of whether the artlce was added to or reduced on that last edit. So If I edit an article and make it longer there would be a green number, with the bigger the number the more I added. Likewise if I delete something, the article would be shorter and the number red. It's useful when scanning for vandalism, as vandals often delete large chunks of articles, and you can see this easily on your watchlist. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 10:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you also tell me what a sock is? You said it in a seemingly negative context. I am not trying to accomplish anything negative regarding the creation of my article or the ones that I edit. I spent a bit of time citing and cleaning up Craig David's article today. I'm honestly not sure why such a big deal is being made of it, but I do know that you spend a huge amount of time on here, and respect your opinions, I'm just trying to understand everything that goes on here. Skyler Morgan (talk) 20:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

A sock or sockpuppet is an alternative account of someone. Using two accounts to back each other up on a talk page to make it look like an idea has more support than it actually has is prohibited on wikipedia. If the IP was you not logged in then you double voted on the deletion debate and you need to strike the comment. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I have been reading up on Wiki policy, etc. I pointed out the AfD to someone that I knew shared some of the same opinions about certain aspects of the debate as myself. Although I didn't solicit a 'keep' vote from anyone, I don't want a meatpuppet argument later on in the AfD. I struck the vote as it didn't add anything additional to the debate as well as to maintain a fair objectivity. I want to play fair, and am continuing to clean up the article. The past few days have been extremely busy for me, but I have some excellent magazine sources to add as soon as I have a free minute. Thanks again for the information. Skyler Morgan (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

London Meetup - April 13th

Hi Theresa

London Wikipedia Meetup number 8 is happening next Sunday lunchtime (April 13th 1pm) in Holborn. Come along!

-- Harry Wood (talk) 09:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments to Rio de Oro's reply

I wanted to start off a discussion by placing the issue in a larger context. Perhaps Rio will find the time to debate the real issues some day. I'm too tolerant to say to someone that what they write is unacceptable. I guess that fits in with my liberal ideas. I'll tolerate anything as long as people do not physically hurt me... Count Iblis (talk) 13:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you please help me with a question

Am I allowed to delete messages from other users from my discussion page, and is there any reason a user should put them back up on my discussion page? I am not so familiar with all the rules for my page etc. If I ask someone please to not do that, is it considered bad or rude? (I have not yet, but I would like to.) Thanks. Basejumper2 (talk) 01:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Generally speaking, it is not considered polite to delete a message from your own talk page, and I would not recommend it, but it is not prohibited. Personally I never worry about rules and simply try to behave in a way that is likely to make things better rather than worse. Deleting a talk page message is a bit of a slap in the face directed against whoever left the message, so is usually a bad idea. Of course in any given situation, things get complicated so you need to judge what is best. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk page protection

Thanks,

That orange message bar was getting old. I'd considered doing it myself before, but had to choose between that and responding at ANI before leaving for a bit. --barneca (talk) 14:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Can't believe you locked that guy's talk page. Surely a woman of your interlect, who studied at the same institution as ghandi, realises the importance of dialogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.251.12 (talk) 15:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No I don't. You are trolling him. In fact you are trying to bully him into allowing you to vandalise, and he's not falling for it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Theresa, please believe me, I have nothing to do with DARK3345

I don't know what I can say to get you to believe me, but im really upset that everyone know thinks that was me. I'm getting myself into quite a state here, as I explained to barneca earlier I have ADHD so i know i carry on sometimes, and i guess that's why nobody will ever believe me know, but i'm almost in tears now because it seems like all the admins are against me (they may have just cause to some extent) but now also i am being accused of something I had absolutely nothing to do with. If you want to formally accuse me of being that user then i am prepared to make an official complaint to WP, hand over my pc if need be. as i said to other users. this dark 3345 is either:

• 1 - Tottally unrelated conincidence
• 2 - Another editor read my comments and set up a hoax
• 3 - Barneca himself may have done it - i very much doubt it, but i cant tell for sure.

Or 4 - You are lying. If you are almost in tears then simply stop editing. Problem solved. I've helped you out by blocking this latest IP. Stop trolling and you will stop making yourself upset. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Aw, Theresa, you just ruined a perfectly good scientific experiment: [2]. Although it's pretty telling he switched to the account again 2 minutes after your IP block, so I guess you altered the experiment rather than ruining it. --barneca (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know that.Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you think I'd get in trouble if I deleted the sock IP's topics?

Or should I leave that for one of you? HalfShadow (talk) 19:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Leave it for now. See what happens. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well i don't know what more to say

I guess we'll never be able to prove my innocence either way. You seem sure that i am lying, and for me, everytime you call me a liar i cant believe that 2 admins have made such a thunderous error. I guess it must have been a hoax by somebody reading the admin noticeboard today. I am worried tho that it may have actually been an admin. I dunno. Anyway i feel well and truly stitched up - you might think i deserve it anyway - but i've lost all faith in wiki admins now i think.

Anyway on a different note, as i mentioned earlier, i notice you were at UCL. Fantastic institution let me say, i'm hoping to be studying in london in sept, either at UCL or KCL, they are my first two choices. So i'll let you know in future if I do end up going there and maybe you can give me some tips if you forgive me for my past behaviour on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.133.250 (talk) 19:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

O course I would forgive your past behaviour as long as you stop. I'd be happy to give you some tips. London is a great place to study, you will enjoy it no matter if it's UCL or Kings. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

cool. Well rest assured i'm completely done with complaining on here. TBH i was done before, but then i checked barneca's edits and saw he blocked this other user Dark3345. When I saw that you and barneca thought it was me, it launched me into a whole new tirade. Anyway now i don’t really care, if it was another editor who made that account then i can see the funny side, but I have a horrible feeling it was an admin hoax. Something stinks that’s for sure, but i’m not offended that you called me lame, because i am sure that the hoaxer was trying to impersonate me. Anyway I guess that's what you get when you bring so much attention to yourself, but it's still horrible to be falsely accused and not be able to prove otherwise :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.133.250 (talk) 19:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

BTW if you didn't believe me before, somebody has already apparently proved i'm not related to that person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Dark3345 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.133.250 (talk) 20:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's impossible to prove that you are not related I'm afraid. Still I apologise for jumping to conclusions. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

NP, i think it was a clever hoax, so i don't blame you for thinking that. 79.77.133.250 (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Theresa, in light of your continuing conversation with Dark3345, thought I'd let you know that I asked Thatcher a followup question by email, and although (for obvious privacy policy reasons) he wouldn't divulge much more information, he's convinced me that they truly aren't the same person. i.e. it's more than just a case of "can't confirm", there is strong reason to be very confident they simply aren't the same person playing games with open proxies or something. I'm still quite surprised, my spidey sense usually works fairly well. I've thought about it a little, and the short version (which I may expand on someday, if I feel the urge, at User:Barneca/Thoughts on vandalism): one reason I thought they were the same is their similar response to being blocked "early". Same thing happened to me with User:Dem5844 the day before. What I now believe, and one reason I started blocking obvious, blatant vandal-only accounts earlier, is that I think many such accounts are created by return vandals, who have been thru the routine before, and believe they have a God-given right to four warnings-worth of vandalism, and are quite offended when this right is abused. Since I've only just become confident enough to start blocking earlier than after level-1 thru level-4 warnings, it's a new attitude I haven't seen previously, so it seemed more similar and uncommon than it really is. Interesting (at least to me). Anyway, thanks for some of the moral support yesterday, I do feel it's reinforced my belief I'm not blocking way outside normal guidelines. --barneca (talk) 17:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

FYI

I reinstated the block of WikiGod000 (talk · contribs) after created an attack page, vandalized another article, and made personal attacks. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Please consider taking the User:Filll/AGF Challenge

I would like to invite you to consider taking part in the AGF Challenge which has been proposed for use in the RfA process [3] by User: Kim Bruning. You can answer in multiple choice format, or using essay answers, or anonymously. You can of course skip any parts of the Challenge you find objectionable or inadvisable.--Filll (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It was nice to meet you

I too am a teacher, at a school on a "challenging" estate outside Portsmouth.Bashereyre (talk) 10:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It was nice to meet you too! Although we didn't get a chance to speak to each other personally. Next time perhaps? How do you find working in a challenging environment? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Next time indeed! Get yourself signed up for Wikipedia:Meetup/London 9. Sunday lunchtime again, May 11th. Not sure if there is enough interest to get something happening monthly, but let's see how it goes. -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

An idea regarding Mmbabies issues

Here's an idea that I don't think you will find to be "ninja" style. Why do we let Mmbabies disruptive edits remain in the edit history of the pages he vandalized? I mean, isn't that just what he wanted, to fill up the edit history for those pages with endless nonsense? I say removing those edits from the edit histories would serve a good purpose. What do you think? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 00:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well we could delete all his edits but it's an awful lot of work for someone. I suspect knowing that he's made an admin follow him around in order to delete him would be much more satisfying that having his edits in a page history that nobody ever reads anyway. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you may be right; it'd probably be good to wait a couple more months and make sure he doesn't come back on another ISP. I'm pretty sure AT&T disconnected his account, I haven't seen any more socks since I received that fruitful reply from them. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 19:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hdayejr again

He's at it again here. This can't be a coincidence. -TPIRFanSteve (talk) 16:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

And again here. Nut. -TPIRFanSteve (talk) 01:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

And again here. -TPIRFanSteve (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, and also here. -TPIRFanSteve (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

And again here. -TPIRFanSteve (talk) 22:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, all anonymous ip users are him and all are trolls? You got me bent, I am on a wireless connection, and resent your remarks that insinuate we are trolls. Fact is we have jobs and lives outside of this site, and need to take our laptop computers with us. It's call life, you might try it by hitting alt f4. Thank you for your idiotic remarks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.210.110.144 (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't you think this would have been slightly more credible if you'd submitted it from one of the accounts I'd already accused?

(...and why am I giving him advice? Oh well.) -TPIRFanSteve (talk) 22:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Jessicamackinnon

I reverted some vandalism by this editor. When I checked the user contributions from this new editor, I saw that there weren't any useful contributions. Count Iblis (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

FYI, based on the name, and based on the talk page that was deleted that apparently only contained "Hi, my name is Jessica," I'm wondering if that isn't a sockpuppet of User:LBHS Cheerleader. If that's the case, then it probably needs to be blocked, but I'm not sure if she's coming back after that abuse report. What do you think? GO-PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 00:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

If she comes back and causes trouble we can block her then. Theresa Knott | The otter sank

The Vandal Warrior

I considered changing my name. I don't know how to... If it's simple and won't wipe clean all of my edits and talk page then that'd be cool. Maybe "The Vandalism Warrior" would be more appropriate? The Vandal Warrior (talk) 21:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No it has the same probplem. Consider a newbie editor who makes a simple test edit to one of our articles. You revert and go to the his talk page to tell him about the sandbox. Your message may be very neutral but your username effectively calls him a vandal none the less. You've only been here a couple of days and quite frankly don't have enough edits to worry about yet. Just create a new account with a neutral name. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

My user name wouldn't call him a vandal. It represents that I'm fighting against vandalism, not against the people who commit vandalism (the vandals). My current user name does say that, however. The Vandal Warrior (talk) 21:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

But it would indirectly. "I am a vandalighter", "I am talking to you about your edits", therefore "your edits look like vandalism" why else would they attract the attention of a vandal fighter? That's what I mean by bitey. You can deal with vandalism with a softer name just as well. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It says in the template that it constitutes as vandalism, so the name The Vandalism Warrior isn't such a bad idea. The Vandal Warrior (talk) 21:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No a {{test}} template says no such thing because making a test edit does not in fact constitute vandalism. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I never use test templates. Only vandalism and page blanking level 1. If there are other types of vandalism then I'd of course use other templates, but haven't found any yet. I doubt it's really a test edit though. To delete information someone actually has to press delete or backspace and then save changes. If it's vandalism then they obviously know it is not welcome. The Vandal Warrior (talk) 21:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

So you are telling me that you have no intention of ever talking to a newbie, for any reason ever? And that accidental page blanks never ever happen because of software glitches or human error? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No and to the second question - no. Please read it again. The Vandal Warrior (talk) 22:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by read it again. Deletions can happen by accident I assure you. But If you won't change your name I'll simply keep an eye on your edits instead. Any sign of newbie biting and I'm on your back, but stick to clear and obvious vandals only and you'll here no more from me. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I have plenty of edits already, if you want to review them... If you deam any of them as newbie biting then please let me know. I'm not 100% sure on stuff like this. I am fairly new and want to make sure that all my vandalism fighting is fair and proper. The Vandal Warrior (talk) 22:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

User:SacKing‎

Hi. According to the bots on the vandalism noticeboard you have blocked this user, but he doesn't seem to have been blocked, or else he has recreated the account. A clear vandalism only account. Thanks. Harry the Dog WOOF 12:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

No he's blocked all right. Blocked users are able to edit their own talk pages. 19:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It's just that there has never been a block notice on the page. So it's unclear whether he is blocked or not. Harry the Dog WOOF 07:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Generally speaking, in a case like this, I prefer not to give them the satisfaction. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 11:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I is a VERY good letter

especially when it's THIS letter I. Dangershistrollname doesn't need any more feeding... Toodles! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

London meetup tomorrow

Just a reminder about Wikipedia:Meetup/London 9. Hope to see you tomorrow Theresa! -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked user requests courtesy blanking

Hi. I know you have had some involvement in the case, so I thought I would ask your advice. A user you blocked has popped up again, apparently distressed that a Google search still returns many references associating her real name to her rather unsuccessful involvement with Wikipedia (including one higher up on this page). Now we cannot control Google's caches, but we can go some way towards courtesy blanking. I blanked one section[4], but felt uncomfortable doing the rest. What do you think? By the way, for obvious reasons, I am avoiding further use of her real name here. Thanks, Bovlb (talk) 06:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well we can certainly blank everything out no harm in doing that. I'll make a start by removing her from above. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

OK. I did a few more, and I see you handled the rest. Thanks for your help. I'm not sure how long it will take Google to pick up the changes, but we've done about as much as we can. Bovlb (talk) 14:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha! I found a URL removal tool for Google, so I ran them all through. Do you have an email address for this user? I'm reluctant to start up her talk page again. Bovlb (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I've sent you a wikipedia email. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Google seem to be dragging their heels. Bovlb (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm I deleted her talk page again today. That;s the last time I'm going to do it as it is getting ridiculous now. If she wants to disappear she needs to go away. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Isis Gee again

Hello Theresa, could you look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:PrinceGloria again and perhaps at the checkuser. I'm finding new users popping up everywhere all trying to insert "fake tan cyborg" and other comments in living persons articles (or songs from living people but still the same). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing I can do until someone with checkuser takes a look and determines what is going on. I've semiprotected the song page and blocked the latest sock. List any new socks here and I'll deal with them. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

As you understand, verifiability is important. As such, the media response to the manipulation if Youtube and wiki was sourced to a Polish magazine published by edipress.com. As a respected magazine with a large circulation in Poland this is considered to be a reliable source). The statements in question were proven in the article and cannot be considered to be rumours. The comments sourced as per reliable source by BBC host who is well respected as a commentator of eurovision who has been written up in UK newspapers over the past few days were written in a non-POV manner and provide more sources for her performance which came last. As Eurovision is a contest that Isis Gee tried to win her results ( place and critic of performance ) are not given undue weight. The article already went through WP:3O and User:Kevin Murray supported removal unless sourced. This was not completed as User:PrinceGlora and yourself have not responded to my points. In face, although User:Kevin Murray removed the false and unsourced Polish mnationality of Isis User:PrinceGlora and yourslef reverted versions that included a unsourced material and false statements about her position in the contest which violated WP:BLP.

I ask Ricky81682 to add to the WP:3O initiated by User:Kevin Murray and stop wasting admin time with entries such as this. Would some other admin like to get involved and settle this again?

Eurovisionman (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

As per my comments, noone has replyed to my messages explaining the sourcing and non-POV of my comments for 2 days. As such I have reverted as the majority of users agree that my version satisfies BLV. Please feel free to revert but you must participate in the dispute resolution process and respond to the point of other users. Eurovisionman (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Restoration

To Theresa: to let you know who I am, I was the one formerly known as ESCStudent774441. On some meditation, I went to the administrator I know who has dealt in my case before with my apology and my offer to resign from the project. He accepted me back, on the basis of a deal I concluded with him but didn't accept my resignation. You can read the details of the deal on my talk page. This is the account he has allowed for me to make a fresh start with Wikipedia independent of my past and hope for a new beginning. I messaged Mr. Wales, and he sent me a message stating he forgave my past and wished me to have the best. Well, what's your opinion of me returning Ms. Knott? Let me know willya? ForeverSearching (talk) 02:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm still looking for drama I see. Why do you want my opinion? You've been unblocked already. I'm not going to give my blessing yet. Do some productive editing first then come back and I'll welcome you with open arms but for now I will view you with suspicion. Sorry if that's not the answer you were looking for. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hanau

After a lengthy debate decided in favour of keeping this article, why have you deleted it ? RGCorris (talk) 10:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Because Mark Hanau himself the original and main author asked for it to be deleted and i felt, with the clear COI that was marring it that deletion was the best option. I am aware that this would be controversial but I felt that this option was best for wikipedia. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Theresa. I am concerned that your deletion of this article (with the edit comment "Lets be bold here") does not comply with Wikipedia's policies. Was Mark the only author to add substantial content to the page? If not, policy does not allow the page to be deleted at his request. I recognize there have been problems with Mark self-promoting on Wikipedia, but this is not actually justification for deleting an article. Rather, unsourced material should be deleted, and the subject should be evaluated for notability based on the sourced material that is available. If the subject is notable the article should be edited for NPOV, etc. Failing all that, it is beneficial to discuss deletion of articles like this one at AfD. Short-circuiting the process does not help Wikipedia. I suggest you reconsider your decision to delete this article.--Srleffler (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Further to the above, I see that this article was the subject of an AfD discussion with a "keep" result, just five days before you deleted the article. --Srleffler (talk) 22:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

User: Vandal: Mahaakaal

Hi Theresa,

Thank you for noting my concerns regarding the above user.

Here is one example: The first complaint is that if you look at his first complaint about me, regarding Nanak the founder of Sikhism, he states repeatedly that Muslims revere Guru Nanak in Punjab. Now 2/3 of Punjab is in the Islamic state of Pakistan, in 1947, India was partitioned where Muslims formed the Islamic State of Pakistan and Sikhs remained in India so by by definition Muslims revere Their Prophet Mohammed as well as Christ, David and Noah, but not Nanak - its simply biased POV to state that they do revere him. I do accept that Sikhs and possibly Hindus revere Nanak since Nanak was born into a Hindu family, but to suggest Muslims revere Nanak in the same fashion or context as Hindus/Sikhs is blatantly biased and false.

There are many attempts by this user to twist original definitions of Deh Siva Var Mohe, Waheguru all the cited references I have provided have been deleted by this user. I have even provided many references from srigranth.org where the user deleted those references, yet they are used in many other wikipedia articles for referencial material.

I copied and pasted your reply back to the Admin noticeboard so that others can see it, please reply there but I'll repeat my request here for the sake of completeness. You need to actually show us what he is doing wrong rather than talk about it. A diff looks like this you get them by clicking on the page history or by the user history and selecting "Last" from next to the edit in question. Once you do that copy the URL from the adress bar and paste it so we can all see it. If thast is too technical just go to the page history and tell us the time and date that he made the edit and I'll put the diffs in for you. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for appeal: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds

This is to notify you that I have filed a request for appeal on an arbitation case you initiated. Please see here. -- Kendrick7^talk 23:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Zachary Jaydon

He's back, and needs discussion. Kww (talk) 10:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Reminder Sunday Lunchtime

Just a reminder about Wikipedia:Meetup/London 10. It's this Sunday 1p.m.! -- Harry Wood (talk) 00:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Phases of Venus diagram

Dear Theresa

Please see recent discussion of need for geocentric phases of Venus diagram in Nichalp and Logicus user talk. Can you or your daughter possibly help ?

Logicus--Logicus (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand the diagram you wish drawn. If you draw it by hand, scan it, and upload it. I can make it look good for you. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 05:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there

Yes, I have been pretty absent from Wikipedia editing (although I use it as a reader almost every day). It's my intention to get back into doing a bit of editing each day. I discovered Huggle yesterday which is absolutely amazing, so perhaps I'll try to commit to doing at least a half hour shift on that a day. As for the meet, do you have any details? I may fancy it. However I made a complete arse of myself at the last meet, getting ejected for persistently trying to smoke in the restaurant and then trying to kiss Angela goodbye. I was completely sozzled. So it will take me a good deal of courage to get over that and attend.

Nice to hear from you again after all this time. --bodnotbod (talk) 13:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/London 11. Don't worry about last time! Who cares? We've all done silly things after having a little too much to drink. Anyone who says they haven't is either a liar or a complete goody two shoes bore. Angela won't be there as she lives in Australia now. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 06:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Pretending to be you

You may want to know about User:Teresa knott. --Damiens.rf 14:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Anyway... already blocked. --Damiens.rf 14:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

User hid signature

Hey Theresa, Your comment on Jeffrey Pierce (on the help desk) was made based on the user that said "User protected identity to avoid edit war", right? HaHa, that was Graham who made the previous post! I wanted to look into the matter deeper after I looked at the question, but found out some suprising details. I didn't want to make myself look like a spaz, and wanted to avoid conflict, so I used a {{NoAutosign}} to fend off SineBot, waited 5 minutes, and made that post as a signature!

You have to admit this is pretty funny! Graham (talk, contrib) 21:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

No my comment was based on clicking on his talk page and reading what went on. To be honest I didn't even notice the hidden comment or the the lack of signature in your post. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, it's fine, you can use this technique for anyone who you do not wish to directly to (or risk an edit war). I feel like I have violated a policy or knocked out my chances at ever reaching adminship, though. Graham (talk, contrib) 21:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand. What policy do you think you have violated? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA Deletion

Okay - Thank you for the Advice. Wikipedian2 (talk) 21:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

New York Post real estate links

I was a bit iffy on these links myself. The links are to a commercial site, but do include useful and encyclopedic information about the neighborhoods. While I do not disagree with the removal in light of the fact that they appear to have been inserted from the source itself, may I suggest that you include an edit summary explaining the removal on all of your edits. Many of the editors reverting your deletions of the links may be doing so because you have offered no explanation for your actions. Alansohn (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes that was poor editing on my part. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh...

Being 7AM here, and having been up all night editing, it may just be the sleep deprivation kicking in, but I have to thank you for the laugh... between this edit, and the great pair of tits on your userpage, you got a good giggle out of me... - Adolphus79 (talk) 11:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'nm glad you found it funny, but up all night editing! That's very bad. Sleep is your friend. Wikipedia will still be here when you wake. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 11:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Can't sleep, clown will eat me... nah, actually I think I was thinking about considering maybe going and taking a short nap anyway, maybe... - Adolphus79 (talk) 11:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

See. Thank You for responding. That's all Lord Shessoronwhatever had to say. -Kazi22 _Talk 9 July 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoziKaz (talk • contribs) 20:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You are a really nice person and I like talking to you. What do I need to do? User:KoziKaz 9 July 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 20:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Click on "my preferences" at the top of the page. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Check the "raw signature checkbox and insert the following code as a sig. [[User:KoziKaz|<font color="#800080">Kazi22</font>]] _{[[User Talk:KoziKaz|<font color="#800080">Talk</font>]]}</font> 9 July 2008 Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey you deleted my good cookie. User:KoziKaz 9 July 2008

Yes it wasn't finished and got in the way of my reply. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Why aren't the others like you. I like you because you are polite and you listen to users. [[User:KoziKaz|<font color="#800080">Kazi22</font>]] _{[[User Talk:KoziKaz|<font color="#800080">Talk</font>]]}</font> 9 July 2008 :because you are trolling them I suppose. You need to do some editing now. ~~~~ Yes Ma'am. [[User:KoziKaz]] 9 July 2008 {{subst:Undated|1=21:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)}} <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Re: your comment

With respect, I am not sure if you know the full story. It is far from trivial in the context of the article; this is about Tennis expert and BanRays flagrant abuse of the ratings system, given the article fits the B criteria. Whitenoise123 (talk) 14:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)#

I'm sorry but the rating system means nothing! And edit warring over it is disruptive. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding User:Whitenoise123

Hi Theresa, since you have expressed interest in the problem, you may also want to review this, cheers! BanRay 15:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Tanks for you kindness

Hello Theresa. As you've said, there's nothing you can do if I was banned in another Wikipedia project, that is another language, which is in fact what have happened. I'm extremely pleased, though, in this mixed-sensations-day, by your kindness and superbly polite approach to me. Although my problem continues to exist - because in the Wikipedia of my language I have not been merely banned in an unfair way, but also deprived from channels to comunicate my complaint to the ban - although that, I said, you really have lightend up a smile in me with your gentle way of considering my petition, making me remember what I often forget (silly me!) that the world has also nice and reasonable people. Thanks again, and... I don't know, I really don't know what to do yet... Perhaps I can ask you something in the future if I need to? Thank you very mcuh and good bye. PS: Bye the way, you've mentioned a way of making private contact, thing that is not really necessary now, but will be good to know how to do, could you tell me how? thanks, bye. Darío —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.232.196.17 (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Bujarrr

Hmm
It was the fourth or fifth warning he recieved since yesterday, even though he removed them from his talk page, but you're probably right, I should have been more sensitive.
Cheers, Amalthea (talk) 20:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Everything Helps!

Thanks for answering. Yes, that system of emailing exists in the Wikipedia of my language, but I've been banned from using this system too (Although I've never used it!). My situation, and the general situation in the Wikipedia of my language makes me remember two books, "The Process", by Kafka, and "Big Brother", by George Orwell. But thanks again for answering me. Good bye! 24.232.196.17 (talk) 20:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

My userpage

I wasn't attacking anyone on my user page and same here. User:KoziKaz 14 July 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 01:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You simply can't put that kind of thing on your userpage. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 06:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

London meet - how did it go?

Hello, just thought I'd ask how the London meet-up went. Did I miss much? Did anyone reveal an exciting new policy? Did anyone vandalise the pub causing others to revert their behaviour? bodnotbod (talk) 13:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

It was quite a small affair, there was some discussion on a possible london bid although there were no takers on the job of someone in charge. So probably nothing will come of it unless we find someone. Plus the oxford bit seems to be getting it's act together from mailing list activity. There was a bit of talk about the English Wikimedia chapter, which has stalled and look like nothing is likely to happen soon. Sadly no vandalism/clean up wars on the table. There will be another one next month if you feel like coming. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Surkin

Thats my bebo page that i created? If u dont believe me i can give username and password for my actual account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudoug2 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

In that case you have a clear conflict of interest and are trying to use wikipedia to advertise. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

No because i didnt even link it to my bebo page only to last fm and two other bio pages. a person is hardly going to read text and think, OH I MUST GO TO THIS PAGE IVE NEVER READ BECAUSE I RECOGNISE THE TEXT. think about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudoug2 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You cannot write about yourself on Wikipedia! Whether you link to bebo or not, you still have a conflict of interest. If you are famous enough to merit an article someone else will write about you eventually. But if you are wrining a blurb about yourself then you are attempting to use Wikipedia to self promote. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

This makes no sense. I create a piece of text on one site, decide i think its good so i post it on another. Im a fan of surkin and thi is not about myself —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudoug2 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh I see, I misinterpreted what you were saying. I will undelete but the article will need to be completely rewritten in an encylopedic style and if you don't state why he merits an article then it will quickly be deleted anyway. We have some policies on notability, I'll look them up for you. Theresa Knott | The otter sank

74.249.96.10

Hello. Could you please protect User talk:74.249.96.10? The IP is still blanking the page. Thanks. Okiefromokla ^questions? 20:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

A word of warning

--Kizor 20:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Already blocked. Particulaly lame attempt at trying to look like me. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay.

Socking and vandalism

Hi Theresa. I saw your name in the autoblock list & I checked some of those socks and found some more. Blocked now ;) - Alison ^❤ 20:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW I've sent you an email about a different matter. Take a look when you get the chance. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied :) - Alison ^❤ 20:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

IP talk page protection

Hi, why did you fully protect User talk:84.69.105.141 and User talk:216.125.6.249? Neither of them are blocked, and if they vandalize again, they can't be warned for it. Just wondering, maybe I'm missing something. Take care. --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a temp measure to make life a little more difficult for a persistent vandal. It was semiprotection. (I'd better check that) Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh sorry I didn't know it was you who was deleting that I will listen to you although I hope there aren't many g's on this site I know. User:KoziKaz 16 July 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 15:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It's absolutely full of them, all helping to write an encyclopedia. Which is great by me. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Myelin Sheath

Sorry about what? Myelin Sheath (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The block. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Oink (water buffalo) AfD talk page

Hi, do you think the page should be blanked under WP:BLP? The statements there, used along with information gleaned from the articles referenced on the other page, may be as much of a BLP concern as if they all appeared in a mainspace page together. There'd be no great loss to the standard of debate if we lost those comments altogether. Steve ^{T • C} 08:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the unilateral action, but I've gone ahead and done this. No good was coming from the 'debate' on the page. Should you choose to revert (for which no hard feelings would be forthcoming at this end), I suggest a recasting of the comments to eliminate the personal attacks and BLP concerns. Thanks, Steve ^{T • C} 12:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

No I think you did the right thing blanking it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Theresa, do you know how I can delete my Wiki profile? Cheers Webbo2005 (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Great, can you do that then. Thanks Webbo2005 (talk) 11:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Auson and attacks on Benkenobi

Hi! I've noticed you blocked the above user for one day for cerating an attack id. However, I have been tracking identical vandalism to User:Benkenobi for a week or so, blocking anonymous IP addresses as the vandalism crops up to try to "flush out" the user who was doing this. This happened when "Benkenobi is a retardate" was created to get around a previous block I made of an IP address. Consequently, I think the block should be increased to indefinite, as that kind of harrassing behaviour is quite unacceptable. What I have done in a similar circumstance is stated that the indefinite block could be changed to one of a more limited time scale if a suitable undertaking is made to stop carrying out harrassment of the editor concerned, and perhaps even to keep away from editing the articles that brought about this harrassment. I wonder if you think it appropriate to alter the block you imposed in this way?  DDStretch  (talk) 20:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. I don't know anything about the past situation and simply blocked on behavior that i saw today. If you wish to extend the block because of a pattern of behavior, and you are confident that Auson is responsible for that past behavior then do feel free. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Ok, I'll do it.  DDStretch  (talk) 20:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I really appreciate you restoring my userpage. Benkenobi18 (talk) 20:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar Category: General Barnstars Benkenobi18 (talk) 20:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Please tell RPoD to stop being a jerk.

Since you're an administrator, please tell him to cut it out. He's the one "edit warring", not me; the article was fine for months until he butted in. (Besides, I'm suppose to take seriously someone who calls himself "The Red Pen of Doom"? I mean, what the hell?)

Wikijerks like him, people who scream like stuck pigs when someone touches one of their precious articles (or just decides to be a major butt-head, because they can) seriously diminishes my enthusiasm for Wikipedia. Kindly tell RPoD to move out of his Mom's basement and meet a nice girl. Thank you. RMc (talk) 14:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

1) It takes two to edit war

It also takes two to participate in a crime: the perp and the victim. Don't confuse the two.

2) He is right about sourcing

This is just silly. What's wrong with quoting a webpage? Does something have to physically printed up in the The New England Journal of Very Important Stuff before it qualifies for Wikipedia?

3) His username is neither here nor there

Sure it is. Someone who refers to himself as "The Red Pen of Doom" obviously has some acute psychological and/or emotional problems. (Again, what the hell?) But don't take my word for it; just read the multiple complaints on his talkpage.

4) Don't make personal attacks.

If it looks like a jerk, and quacks like a jerk... RMc (talk) 17:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Google's Bldg 42

Hi, the evidence is circumstantial, as far as I can tell. Google calls its Mountain View campus the Googleplex which is a term previously used in the Hitchhiker's Guide, the first building they moved into was Bldg 42, their mission is to organize the world's information (or something), the CEO still resides in the (now comparatively smallish) Bldg 42, and it were visitors are typically told to meet. But no academic or official reference that I could find on the quick. Dirk Riehle (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

A googleplex is a mathematical term. It wasn't ( I don't think) invented by Adams.(I haven't read the link) To be honest I do believe that they probably intended a ref to Hitchhiker's guide but there is a reasonable doubt that they didn't. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Emblem

Please first read the blazon of the National Emblem of PR China and then decide. Obviously neither you or the IP user have read it, nor have you seen the official image of the emblem, nor the image with Mao holding the emblem which looks like the .svg file not the .png file. I think we need to be more thorough on these issues rather than "humm that looks nicer so I'll pick that one". This is not a candy shop but a decision on which one of the images we have is the right one and the .svg file corresponds to blazon and official images. Obviously the blazon doesn't mention 3D effects that .png file is showing, the same reason why we don't use very nice animated .gif files instead of .svg files for flags. Yes it would be cool to have flag images that look like they are waving in the wind or the emblem images which look like a sculpture but if you simply look through the articles or somewhere in the MoS you will notice that we have decided not to use those (even though they might look cooler to some than plain vector drawings). But even in the sculpture version [5] you can see that bends on the red ribbons are gold not black. The blazon says "The national emblem of the PRC features Tiananmen Gate beneath the five shining stars, encircled by ears of grain and with a cogwheel at the bottom. The ears of grain, stars, Tiananmen and cogwheel are gold; the field within the circle is red, as are the ribbons festooning the bottom of the circle. These two colors traditionally represent auspiciousness and happiness." And as you can see on their passport 3D effects are not emulated when the image is supposed to be shown in 2D [6]. I hope that I have informed you better on the emblem and I hope that now you understand that the .png file is not only a lower quality file but also a factually incorrect file. --Avala (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I note that the blazon does not mention anything about gold on the ribbons. I note also that this picture from the chinese government website also does not have gold on the bottom red ribbon. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

That image is again a 3D version, not the drawing so I don't see the point of mentioning. I could for an example say that our file on Australian coat of arms is wrong because it doesn't show that thing under the star as a circle but as a line and post this link as evidence [7] but I hope someone would swiftly tell me "apples and oranges" because I would be comparing a vector drawing with a sculpture made of one dead kangaroo, one dead emu and some material probably wood.--Avala (talk) 22:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what that has got to do with the colour of the ribbon at the bottom though. Do you have a link to a drawing of the emblem? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I don't know what to say if this far in this discussion you say a thing like that. What are we doing here if not determining which version is correct? What is important if not the details of the drawing? How do you decide which version is right if not by them? The .png version shows them in black which is wrong because the .png version is emulating the 3D version which is wrong. If we are going to emulate the emblem then I see no reason not to upload a flag file to go with it something like this [8] . And even though the emblem is usually shown in some form of 3D, the drawing seen on the passport (link provided earlier) is official and it proves the .svg file not the .png file.

So .png file=emulating 3D effects, using false colours=wrong .svg file=2D drawing of an emblem usually shown in 3D form=correct if we seek a quality vector image not a fun image.--Avala (talk) 22:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I've searched google images and I cannot find any official drawings whatsoever. I strongly suspect there are none despite what you say about the passport. ( I note that you were unable to point me to one) I'm sorry but if the enblem is always shown in 3D then a photograph of the emblem is IMO a much better solution then either picture but failing that a 3D picture is better. And you still haven't addressed the point about the gold on the ribbon at the bottom. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

"I strongly suspect there are none despite what you say about the passport. (I note that you were unable to point me to one) " - OK then for the 2nd time (or the 1st if you skim over my comments)- [9].

That isn't a 2D image, that's a passport.

I have never seen a 3D coat of arms on passport, have you? So it's a 2D drawing on the passport. I am referring to that, not to the passport as an object. But the drawing on the passport is official. --Avala (talk) 23:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

And about the ribbon thing. I mean it's quite obvious that the black colour comes from "shade" that is put in order to emulate the 3D effect something that I have been explaining all the way.

Yes but without mention of the yellow on the Blazon then it's OR on your part isn't it?

It specifically says that there are two colours on the emblem - gold and red. Any addition of black colour without it being mentioned in the blazon is OR.--Avala (talk) 23:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

And finally I think that you should pass this to some of the administrators dealing with heraldry and vexillology as your comment regarding the photo instead of a vector file shows me that apart from your very good will to solve the problem you might not be into this subject as much as the delicate issue needs. All the best, --Avala (talk) 23:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough although It doesn't need to be an admin. Admin opinion (including mine)carries no more weight than anyone else. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

hello theresa

--DougalHamilton (talk) 23:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)--DougalHamilton (talk) 23:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)my i ask who you are as you seem so established in wikipedia. You seem very admirable and intelligent, my name is doug and also what brings you to bin such an important article to me. To put it lightly I am slightly annoyed.

I'm sorry to have annoyed you. I binned it because you were posting your personal opinion of the school and whilst that is clearly important to you it is too subjective for wikipedia and not what wikipedia talk pages are for. Talk pages are for discussing our article on the school. You will notice that the two comments already on the talk page are both in regard to how we can improve the article. As to who I am, I am a regular long term editor and administrator of wikipedia. Theresa Knott is my real name, and I've been here so long that I've kind of forgotten what it is like to be new. So sorry if I was a bit terse or unkind. It was not intentional. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:76.18.82.188...

...is asking for a review of the block. It's been about a month since you put the 3 month block on, and he claims he won't vandalize anymore. Would you be amenable to offering them a {{2nd chance}} or even just lifting the block on the assumption of future good behaviour ? –xeno (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

hmm I see him admitting to vandalising but I don't see him stating that he won't vandalise anymore. Note that this is user:Halosean who has a history of disruptive editing. He and his brother share the same email address? Pull the other one I wasn't born yesterday. I'm not willing to unblock. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I only realized afterwards that there was more history than the IP alone. If you could, please keep an eye on User talk:HSTGV, as in my preponderance of good faith, I created an account for "his brother" ( if truly exists? ). –xeno (talk) 18:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I note that he has already asked for his username to be changed. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that didn't inspire a lot of confidence. –xeno (talk) 18:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

It's been changed to User:SealimMan Theresa Knott | The otter sank 06:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

hahahaha I saw you out last night partying! very amusing! Are you realy a big fan of Status Quo, I think that is their name anyway! We must meet up more often you are very fercitile on the old dance floor! lol hahaha. Anyways please keep up your love of teaching, are you looking for a job because you could teach me!

Blocked account

Hey you. I noticed that you blocked my user account User:Neckstand99, after I tested some functions on Wikipedia to see what would happen. I was just about to meet with Wikipedia for the first time, and had good intentions with my account. i think i only made 2 conributions before it was blocked.. I didn't know the rules are so strict on Wikipedia, two edits and you are banned forever? What the ----? Are everyone admin acting like this on Wikipedia? Well, now I have another account (Bugware) which i never will attempt to vandalize, and only contribute to wikipedia in the future with good intentition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugware (talk • contribs) 15:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm an excessive amount of windows related vandalism happened on that same day, and this one was one of several that I blocked as likely sockpuppets of one another. An indefinite block is not the same as banned forever though, it is merely of indefinite length.( Which practically means until someone lifts it). This would happen if you put an unblock request on the account's talk page explaining that they were just test edits, or contacted me by email. Anyway I'm glad it hasn't put you off contributing. To answer your question, mo not all admins block so readily, in fact I rarely block so readily. But I saw a pattern of abuse from a number of accounts of which yours was one and that is why I blocked. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Why did you remove my contribution to the Ohio State University page?

Why did you delete my contribution to the OSU Page on 1OSUNut. It was under the notable alumni section and absolutely everything was true according to over 2000 University of Michigan Alumni on hailvictors.com. Will you please repost my comments? If not why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric 1forUofM (talk • contribs) 19:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Because it's trivial, childish, and utterly irrelevant to an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

For someone that doesn't like the smell of dogshit you sure shovel a lot of it. It may be trivial and childish to you, but there aren't a bunch of "Theresa Knott's" reading Wikipedia. I think it is great that the same electronic encyclopedia you are an administrator for has a definition of "A Mars Bar Party". Yeah...my post is trivial, childish, and irrelevant. Good luck with the administration, you're doing a real bang up job so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric 1forUofM (talk • contribs) 19:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Definitions are one thing. Personal calls to arms for message boards are quite another. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(ec) You're right, she is doing a great job, now if only all the other editors could follow suit... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Smiles Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

rawrz... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Baseball cards

I feel like a villain the way nothing gets done about the guy harassing me. I cannot imagine doing to someone what this guy has done to me. I have not been allowed to contribute to the baseball card pages for several months now. He has been undoing my work for quite some time. When people like that are not disciplined it is the same as promoting their behavior. I don't see him changing his ways. Even if he gets blocked I see him making another sock army and coming back with a vengeance. I have said this before; when he makes a good edit, I don't touch it but if there is an error I am obligated to correct it. He, on the other hand obliterates everything I do. This is infantile. Libro0 (talk) 05:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

• I am not harassing him, he has harassed me. His latest thing was creating montages out copyright images. They were reported and deleted. He accused another user who asked the both of us to calm down as a sock puppet of me. He uses a lot of weasel words and anything he doesn't like he calls vandalism and everything that he wants he says there is consensus for even if there is not. If you disagree with him, bang you are a sockpuppet. You replace the poor quality images he uploaded, which he took from a website, and replace them with proper fair use images, he complains. He uses passive aggressive language and personal attacks, too. [10] Baseball Card Guy (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You two need to take this to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Libro0 I asked for evidence at ANI instead you come here and post accusations without evidence. If you suspect someone of using sockpuppets file a sock report. I am not here to discipline people, only to help write an encyclopedia. Baseball Card Guy I note that you failed to address the issue of reverting corrections. If you make errors and he correct them, then by reverting you are making disruptive edits. Do you not agree ? So if you have done that in the past you need to stop right away.Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. As for evidence, it was provided on the incident page. Libro0 (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Plagerism

Sorry to bother but it seems that a website is Plagarizing info from this one. Thoughts? User:KoziKaz 23 July 2008

A link would help... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[[11]] I hope that helps. User:KoziKaz 23 July 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No it 's GFDL and has wikipedia as the source in the page history. Nothing to worry about. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Page blank/deletion request

Thanks for deleting the Priority Air Charter page, I'm new to contributing to wikipedia, and realized after the initial submission that it did not have enough content to warrant its presence. Mws77 (talk) 22:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, No need to thank me :-) Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You may want to check out disney channel wiki and Suitelife wiki because plenty of articles are plagarized without a source. User:KoziKaz 23 July 2008

User talk:Pain232

Hey, just saw your message here; isn't that a bit bitey? He's a noob who might not understand the process; "zero chance of becoming an admin" doesn't really explain what he did wrong, and that and the title is kind of offensive.

I apologise if I got the wrong end of the stick; he could've posted a dozen now-deleted trolly pages which I can't see because i'm not an admin, which makes judging his history a bit difficult, but he's been here a day and AGF surely covers that. Again, apologies if I misunderstood :).Ironholds 16:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I was a bit bitey but a newbie who asks to become an admin on the first day he edits? Sure looks like someone trolling to me. However I will amend my message to make it more pleasant. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, sorry again! I always feel bad making comments like that to better/more experienced users. I keep RfA on my watchlist and you tend to see new/inexperienced users going up for RfA with something like 10 edits 4-5 times a week. Are you coming to the london meetup, btw?Ironholds 20:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

You really should feel bad criticising experienced users! No one is beyond reproach; I don't care how long they've been around. I'm planning on going to the next meetup but haven't signed up yet as I'm not 100% certain. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll see you there then, although i'll be a bit late due to work. Beyond reproach or no, after a couple of bad experiences with one particular user I try and avoid giving comments like that to avoid being bitten. Bad habit, I know, but some users scare me. Ironholds 20:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with one user. I think it's important that we all welcome criticism of our actions, and especially so for admins. In my experience, most people respond positively if you pull them up on something. Those that do not only make themselves look bad. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

To Theresa Knott

Just as you blocked me. On that exact spot, I was trying to post this ":::::Why can't you leave me alne with your whining? Again, I shall explain this, before you came into play, AMIB was much worse han my current form. Constant swearing, attacking users, and editwarring. I finally became fed up with him, as many others were as well. I blew up, then you just jumped in, out of no where, and AMIB started playing the "Innocent Little Kid" act, to make it seem like I'm the bad guy. You fail to realise that, no matter how many times I tell you. THAT is why, I'm getting rude with you. TTN, Cig, JohnnyMrNinja, etc. were on the same side as you two, I'm not attacking them. Only you, Rob. Do us all a favor, and just stop. That way, I can get over it. I'm not going to be nice to people who don't see the full thing. I'm sure that you'd be acting the same way if you were in my position. Let's put it like this: It's a normal High School day. You, and your friends are walking to class. Out of nowhere, this huge, big, tough guy just jumps on you, and starts beating you up. Your friends run of for help. You're not doing anything, while the attacker (Let's call him Steve) keeps pounding on you (Let's call you, Joe.). After a few minutes, you're covered in blood, bruises, cuts, etc. You're still not fighting back. Suddenly, Steve pulls out a big, sharp knife, and takes it to your throat. You kick him in the balls, in an attempt to get him to stop, so can make a break for hit! He stops, and you see a tear in his eyes, then, you make your move, but, a secruity guard named Max grabs you, and drags you down to the principles office. Steve quickly hides the knife in his pocket before Max notices, and takes him too. You, Steve, and Max arrive at the the office. Mr. Hack asks Max what he saw. Max says "Well, a couple of kids came up to me, and told me that there's a fight. I rushed down to where they told me it was. When I got there, I saw Joe kick Steve in the croch (Did I spell that right?)." Mr. Hack thinks for a minute. Max leaves. You try to tell Mr. Hack the full story, but, he won't let you. Steve smirks. He pulls out his knife, and cuts his leg, and puts it under your seat. You don't notice. Steve suddenly screams in pain, and insists that you took a knife, and cut his leg. You swear you have no knife, and tell Mr. Hack to look at the cameras. He yells at you to stop lying. "Joe! Enough of your stories! You're suspended!" Now, I feel alot like Joe, right about now. AMIB is Steve, you're Max, and Xeno (Or any admin for that matter) is Mr. Hack. Do you get it now?" This was aimed at Rob. You're being just like him. If somebody would JUST LEARN THE FULL STORY already!!!! You'd know WHY I'm getting SO fed up with Rob & AMIB lately. Please, before doing this to another user, learn the full story. Thank you. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 21:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Another edit conflict... -.- Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 21:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Person373 (talk • contribs)

Something that needs to be looked into

See: [12]. Fairfeldfencer knows how signatures work, so I see no reason why that editor needs to pretend to be SLJ. In a related note: User_talk:SLJCOAAATR_1#Mission. From my point of view, I see him holding a grudge against myself and A Man In Black, so he is recruiting others just to "prove us wrong". This is both petty, and unnecessary. People are currently trying to discuss the articles on the appropriate talk page, but several people would rather fight and edit war instead of trying to get anything done. His comment of I know that some people who are against me (IE: Rob & AMIB) are watching as I type this. I'm fine with this. I just ask that you guys, please, do NOT tamper with this project. You have no right to do so. Appropiate action will finally be taken if you do! This sounds uncivil/bad faith in my view. RobJ1981 (talk) 08:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

{edit conflict} Sorry if I'm kind of taking this from you, Theresa, but if I can answer a little bit of this because I've worked with Fairfieldfencer for a while and SLJ for a short amount of time, I think it will help explain things to both you and Rob. These two have been against the merger of the list article in question for a while, FFF at least since the discussion began. FFF does have a tendency to edit war, and I've urged him not to on some other edits before. I guess with some people it just takes some time, and when consensus doesn't go your way, it can be frustrating to editors. People like TTN and A Man in Black can come up with lots of reasons to support their points and sway consensus, and those who are against it can't come back like that because they have a hard time convincing people of the immediatist-exclusionist philosophy (or something close to that). They're excellent at what they do when it comes to making their points if/when they're not edit warring or making unannounced major edits. That's probably why there is a grudge, and if there's any hint of incivility in either person's comments (yours or AMIB's) or at least it's taken that way by SLJ, then it can explode like that. If you need more info about either of these two, just contact me and I'll see what I can do to help you out more. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 23:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the background info, but to be honest. It doesn't matter that much. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Holding grudges isn't on no matter what the reason and bad behavior on anyone's part cannot be allowed to disrupt the writing of an encyclopedia. If there is any chance that you could take SLJ under your wing and get him to not see editing as a war but as collaboration then that would be fantastic, but if you can't (and I suspect he is probably too young at the moment) then not to worry. I will deal with any disruptive editing in the way that I have been. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If you will read User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1#Red Phoenix, I think he would be willing to once his block is lifted. Though it looks to me like Fairfieldfencer has already tried to take him up, which may be part of this and how SLJ got involved in all of this. Now, I'm going to try not to say too much negative about Fairfieldfencer since he's been the only person I've worked with on a continuous basis throughout my Wikipedia career. I've tried with Fairfieldfencer, but you know, sometimes what you're dedicated to will take precedence. Now, when I first met Fairfieldfencer, I was a fairly new Wikipedian myself, so maybe it will be different this time. Point is, I'll give it a shot. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 13:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

To Theresa Knott

Ummm...Yeah. It seems kind of unicivil to block my friend SLJ's talk. think you mis-understood his attemp to settle things. He gave a note to Unknown, to give to Rob. Rob replyed rather rudely. SLJ was just stating about Rob's block, that it seems someone with that record, shouldn't be talking much. You completely misunderstood that. You need to take a closer look at things, and see from everyone's point of view. Not just Rob's. --Person373 (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes and he shouldn't have done that! I understood perfectly what he was doing. He was attempting to continue a fight even though he was blocked. That is why I protected his talk page for the duration of the block. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think that I made that very clear. SLJ gave Unknown a note to give to Rob. Check Rob's talk. SLJ wanted Rob to email him, so tha they can try to solve issues privatley, instead of cluttering Wiki, and constantly using his friends to send mssages to Rob. Rob, rudely turned it away saying that he was "done with SLJ". That kind of proves that Rob has absolutley no interest in getting over things. Could you at least say something to him? I emailed SLJ about why he offered to solve it through email, and he simply told me that he wanted to solve problems with Rob. --Person373 (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

AAarggh!1 Listen to me!!!SLJ is blocked!! He doesn't get to speak to Rob. If he wants to solve problems he does it when the block expires. Oh and BTW he'll never solve problems all the time he continues to attack him, which is what he was doing when he mentioned Robs block log. I stringly urge all of you to stick to discussing articles rather than people. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 06:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey! There is NO need to give me an attitude. Please watch it. Ok, so, what you're going to block SLJ every time he's seen near Rob, now? C'mon, lady. I think you're pushing it now. SLJ was finally trying to make up for things with Rob, and Rob got rude, and now you're doing the same. I don't like that. SLJ was trying to stick up for himself. Are going to just sit there, and relax if you see someone getting in your face, dissing you, and exaggerating everything you say? I sincerely doubt it. When SLJ put on his userpage, that he thinks Rob & AMIB are the same person, that was meant as joke. If he put that next to it, that'd take away the joke. And you're allowed to think people are sockpuppets. If I said that Cig & TTN were the same person, you can't do anything to stop me. That's my honest opinion. And take a look at some of SLJ's earlier posts. He blew up. We all do sometimes. Even you, like you just did with me. But, should you now be punished as SLJ was, no, but, if you keep doing so, still no. SLJ blew up because of the reason, another user was getting away with MURDER. Another user did worse than SLJ did, and nothing was said to him. This user went about taking valuble articles apart, stating every detail in those articles was fancruft. Sally Acorn's middle name (Alicia) is fancruft? Characters design, and reception is fancruft? And lots more. This user was going about, acting like he ruled the world. Nothing was ever sad to him. SLJ tried explaining this to you but, you weren't willing to listen. --Person373 (talk) 21:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Laughing. What can I say? Enough of this sillyness. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever seen so many people harassing one editor because another user was blocked for one week... especially when the block was completely legit, and well deserved... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 23:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Statistics for Person373:

Total number of edits so far = 109

Total number of article edits = 1

Total edits so far that are in some way related to SLJ = nearly all

Enough said really. Just ignore him until he learns that wikipedia is a community dedicated to writing an encylopedia rather than a SLJ fan club. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 00:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Bullying

Warning

I'm sorry but you cannot remove other people's comments from talk pages. This is the second tome I've told you. Do it again and I will be forced to block you. Note also that legal threats are not allowed. See WP:NLT. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Both you and Somno are basically acting like bullies. I've tried to walk away fro this but you seem to want to keep pushing the matter. I've tried to email in confidence, and you, instead, are resorting to keep this up in a public forum. I've noticed you have a propensity for blocking people you don't agree with. Now, for the last time, walk away from this.Orion2004 (talk) 08:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but you do not own the article. As an admin I block people for disruptive editing all the time. And I will block you if you keep removing other people's comments from talk pages or user legal threats to try and get your own way. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not trying to "get my own way", but rather put a stop to what I consider harassment. Now-a-days people only seem to respond to legal actions. I've asked this be put an end to.Orion2004 (talk) 08:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

This is what you don't understand. You can not "put an end" to an article on wikipedia. They are constantly edited as people come along and try to improve them. Now you may like or dislike any changes but disliking them does not mean that you are being harassed. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

What you don't understand is I'm trying to put an end to these editing wars with you two. I don't mind responsible editing. I've worked with many editors over the years. I'm learning that this is supposed to be a forum in which, if I don't agree with someone's edit, I have to right to do my own editing. Somno got me riled up telling me I couldn't put something in an article. She took out what I had put back in, and lambasted me for it. You do the same and threaten to block me.Orion2004 (talk) 08:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

No I threatened to block you for removing her comments from the article talk page. I have no intention of blocking you for editing the article even if I disagree with what you write. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to remove comments from a person who was sending me personal messages that were pushing bickering. If that's what readers of this thing, want, then fine.Orion2004 (talk) 09:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Disappointment

You take the repeated profanity too light and defend his lies as if he said truth at the summary fields and even give a too mild advice like "how to survive from not being accused of wikistalking".[13] Do you condone such disruptive behaviors? This is not the first time, and he evades this time again? I don't understand this.--Caspian blue (talk) 19:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Repeated profanity? Really you need a thicker skin. He's been warned by me and another admin about that and I did say I'd block him if he did it again. And as I already explained I don't think he was lying in the edit summaries. You need to WP:AGF a little here. I gave what I felt was an appropriate warning. I looked at the situation and dealt with it as i saw fit. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Note also that if he takes my advice then your problems with him are ended. Behavior that means you cannot be accused of wikistalking is identical to actually not wikistalking. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

That is his usual habit. He has promised such the same vain pledge again and again. I've seen him doing it more than 10 times to admins. However, he does not abandon such disruptions. His usage of such repeated profanity is also not the first time.--Caspian blue (talk)

But how are we supposed to know that if you don't provide us with the evidence? Next time you bring a report to ANI don't hurry it and back up everything you say with diffs to prove it Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

These reports are filed by other editors on his disrutpive behaviors; personal attacks, leaking personal info, wikistaking, POV pushing etc.

• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive280#Personal information incident
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive392#User:Sennen_goroshi_wikistalking_again
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive391#Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs)
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive413#Princess Diana Institute of Peace
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive415#Dispute between Bermudatriangle and Sennen goroshi

He knows what civility or wikistaking with his own complaints to others. Unlike his disruptions, he pretend to be good to prevent himself from blocks.

• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive449#Blatant Personal Attack
• Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive48#User:BigDunc - persistant incivility.

This would not be enough for his repeated false pledge?--Caspian blue (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Put it all into a a rfc because I'm done with it for now. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Possible help

I have just been doing a move and stuffed up - missspelt bureau - and hoped i might find a friendly admin to exterminate my tyop - Bureau is wot iwoz trying :( SatuSuro 08:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you it is appreciated SatuSuro 09:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Mohammad Mansour

Could you take care of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammad Mansour. I really don't feel like opening and closing it all on the same day. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 09:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 16:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to Wikipedia meetup in London

Wikimedia UK logo

Date: 13:00 onwards, Sunday 10 August 2008

Venue: Penderel's Oak pub, Holborn WC1 map

More information: Wikipedia:Meetup/London 12

Hello,

I noticed that you have listed yourself as a Wikipedian in London, so I thought you might like to come to one of our monthly social meetups. The next one is going to be on Sunday 10 August, which might well be rather short notice, but if you can't come this time, we try to have one every second Sunday of the month.

If you haven't been before, these meetups are mainly casual social events for Wikipedia enthusiasts in which we chat about Wikipedia and any other topics we fancy. It's a great way to meet some very keen Wikipedians, but we'd also love for you to come along if you're interested in finding out more about Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, or other collaborative wiki projects too.

The location is a pub that is quite quiet and family friendly on a Sunday lunchtime, so hopefully younger Wikipedians will also feel welcome and safe. Alcohol consumption is certainly not required!

Although the meetups are popular, many UK-based editors still don't know about them. It would be great to welcome some fresh faces, so I hope you can come along.

Yours,

James F. (talk) 09:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Please forgive the slightly impersonal mass-invite!

Rudi Protrudi

Hi. If you're still on line, would you like to zap this copyvio again? The author re-created it, and he and an IP have now removed the db tag a total of 8 times; I'm tired of putting it back. JohnCD (talk) 16:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not actually a copyvio. |Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It was a straight copy of that web-site, which did not carry a GFDL release; if the author had some other clearance, she could have said so instead of just repeatedly knocking off the db tag. Still, if you help her rewrite it that'll sort out the promotional tone as well. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

She did say so on the article talk page. She is trying to rewrite it as we speak. I shall remove any gushing. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Please don't think I'm arguing to make an issue of this - if I made a mistake, I regret it and would like to learn how to do it better next time. I admit I didn't look at the talk page, and I should have; but if I had, all it says is "a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain" and that simply ain't true - the only web-site a Google search turns up is the one cited in the db tag, [14] and there is no such note. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Scroll to the bottom of that page>It states "re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain" in small green writing. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Not on my system, it doesn't - the last line is "He also interviews porn starlets for Club International magazine." (Someone's got to do it, I suppose... ) JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I use Firefox. After posting the above, I fired up Internet Explorer, and on that it does show up at the bottom of the screen. Well, well... Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It was a cache-ing issue - I restarted Firefox and cleared its cache, and there the message was. They must have added it this afternoon, after the first db-copyvio. Panic over. JohnCD (talk) 20:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That's nice to know because I couldn't understand how I missed it the first time I deleted as I am usually fairly careful. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Mahound

Thanks for taking a look at that article. ANI kinda went crazy there for a few minutes. :) Hopefully your edit will work out, but I'm still kinda concerned about Alley30's behavior. Ah well. We'll see what happens. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 17:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Alley30's behaviour strongly suggests that he is a sockpuppet of the multiply banned editor user:RajivLal aka user user:DWhiskaZ. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/RajivLal (2nd) and Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/DWhiskaZ. The bullying, editwarring and nonsensical arguments are identical. This person has generated over 100 sockpuppets, and repeatedly attempts to wear down opposition to his fringe theory by gaming the system. I am deeply concerned that giving in to the repeated lies and bullying of this editor - as your edit to the Mahound article does - is destructive to the values of an encyclopedia. Paul B (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't really see how my edit is "giving in". The link is there after all. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Loveland Industries (talk · contribs)

I understand your in touch via email with this user; but surely I should have been notified before a (quick) unblock? Regards, Rudget 18:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I feel partially responsible since I deleted it as a copyvio when it wasn't, then told her she could write it if she was neutral. Don't worry if she plays up I'll reblock. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I trust you to make a reasoned decision. Let me know if you need help with anything. Rudget 18:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

myself and caspian blue

I have no issues with avoiding articles that caspian blue has edited, however upon editing an article today (that has previously been edited by both of us) I find that within an hour, he has reverted my edits. I really would like this to work, and would be rather pleased if I didn't have to go to ANI to defend myself against yet another complaint made by this user, however that is going to take two of us. I would hate to see this turn into a topic ban or even worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Korean_nationalism&action=history

My edit was merely using slightly more NPOV English and removing a POV term (harsh) and 3 mins after I made my last edit, it gets reverted.

It might be a good idea to reply on my talk page, as right now, this is a discussion between you and I, and if it is on my talk page, I will remove all comments made by any 3rd parties, therefore removing the potential this has for yet another 10 page debate. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I am trying to step back and give this a little time, my first thought after being reverted twice was to revert again, as he would hit 3RR before I did - but that is hardly going to make things better. My second thought was to leave a message on his talk page saying "as per the ANI report don't edit the same topic that I am currently editing." but I doubt a message from me is going to result in a nice polite conversation. Anyway feel free to ignore this issue, tell him to stay away from that topic for the time being, or to tell me that in this case, I am in the wrong. thanks Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, your lying resumes. You have not tried to anything. You even not apologize for your repeated dirty slurs against me. You even kept doing further in the public place. You keep insulting me and provoking me on your sock's talk page. You broke the promise first as you edited the articles today that you blindly reverted my edits as wikistaling me two days ago. Sennen goroshi just wanted to revert the articles because he knows how I would react at his disruptive provocation.[15] He does not regard the naming convention or alphabet order in Japan-Korea related articles as he always proclaims to be kept. If he wants to follow the admins' advice, he should not edit articles that we disputed before. However, the user broke the promise and ignites again with his inconsistent POV editing.[16][17] I have seen his "fake promise" more than enough. I want a justice. Sennen goroshi comes here to bully me and harass me. I just want a peace, and such disruptive users are not necessary for Wikipedia.--Caspian blue (talk) 03:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Caspian, would you like to put a message on my talk page, so that we don't fill another user's talk page with all of this? I will not respond to you here out of respect for the other user. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

ANI would be the very perfect place for us. I would not be fooled by your repeated fake pledge again. You promise you behave well to me more than 10 times. When someone filed a RFC on you last December, I believed that you would keep the promise, so I did not comment on that for your sake. However, I'm tired of hearing all your same excuse and wikistaling and verbal attacks. --Caspian blue (talk) 04:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

1) I said 5 days not 2 2) reverting for the sake of it os disruptive

Both of you are causing disruption and I will not hesitate to block either of you if this contininues. 07:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Injustice and unfairness

Theresa, I don't understand your unfair treatment on me. I filed the ANI report, because I have been wikistalked and harassed by Sennen goroshi. You really gave a mild warning on his repeated slurs and insulting comment against me, and did ignore all these and even preached me with no plausible reasons. I'm mainly editing Korea related articles, and he does not. Whenever he resumes editing Korean related articles, he just followed my every step for his fun and bullied me. There is not constructive edits by him on Japan-Korean related articles which is pointed by many editors. Several editors even said his disruptive behaviors at the ANI and didn't you see that? I know he would still game the system, as did yesterday. If he takes advantage of your so-called rule which I've never said to agree with and understand, he would edit first to prevent me from editing such articles. He did that yesterday An Jung-geun, Korean nationalism. He broke your suggestion and why should I be threaten by you unfairly? Please give me a good reason why I should follow your enforcement (however, it actually sounds like a threat) that I never say so. If you can't meditate in the middle ground, and condone his continuing disruption, you would not be a good meditator to look into the case. Why would I waste my time to report him to ANI? Did I wikistalk him, or harass him or even make a personal attack for more than 8 months like he has done to me? Why would I be treated along with him on the same standard? Besides, Sennen goroshi not only follows me, but also Good friend100 (talk · contribs) before and seems to target at him again.[18]--Caspian blue (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• Sennen goroshi broke your "enforcement" again, so I see what your action would be.my edit on July 31Sennen goroshi's on August 4. The Kowtow article is another evidence that he's checking on my contribution history and follows me.--Caspian blue (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You love this don't you? You just love playing a victim. A proper drama queen. I don't care if you agree with my rule or not. I'm looking after Wikipedia's interests. Play your childish games somewhere else. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Please don't insult me such derogatory and childish language that I've never seen before from admins. Such personal attacks are against Wikipedia policy. Play a victim or drama queen? You're relying on the indef.blocked troll's false accusation. I'm not "she" or as "drag queen", so please don't call me "queen". You set your own rule and please be unreasonable.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. But look at your behavior over the past couple of days and tell me if you haven't actually enjoyed all the drama? Anyway I've blocked him for 24 hours so you get to win this one. Theresa Knott | The otter sank

I have NOT enjoyed any drama. I had to swallow a medicine for excess acid in my stomach due to the stress by Sennen goroshi and Lucyintheskywithdada. --Caspian blue (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry to hear that. Take my advice then. If the upset is affecting your health disengage from the fight. That was what me 5 day remedy was intended to force, but you are very reluctant to do so. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Sennen goroshi not only violated your enforcement on Kowtow, but also An Jung-guen. He starts actively editing Korean related (controversial) articles today as if he determines to edit ahead of me not to edit Korea related articles. So that is why I think the enforcement is not good remedy for us. --Caspian blue (talk) 16:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

No staying away from each other does not mean that he cannot edit any Korean articles. He can edit ahead of you. You don't get to determine which articles he is allowed to edit. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

He chose only sensitive articles that I previously edited or other Korean editors would be provoked by his edit.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

He has every right to choose to edit any article he wishes. If you feel provoked have a cup of tea until the feeling passes. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why he violated your suggestion on the two articles today. He sent you an email and I don't wonder his eloquent speech always lures admins. I assume what he would write about me.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

How long would you put the enforcement to us? Your suggestion seems like indefinite. Like two weeks or one month, there needs to be time limitation. Besides, if he edited an article that I would likely care, can I leave my opinion on his edit at the talk page? (we never agree with each other's opinion) have a discussion with him at the relevant talk page? --Caspian blue (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Until it either works, and and is no longer needed, or fails and i give up. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you clarify your rule more specifically on my last question? Because your rule is arbitrary. Do you also forbid us to meet at a talk page of an article at the same time? If one of us edit some article, the other at least could leave one's opinion on the talk page? Because we would highly likely do not agree with each other's edit, each of us are on the opposite point. If I could not leave my voice on his edit at a relevant talk page that he may edit first, he would say "oh, a consensus seems to be reached since there is no objection". I don't want such result. Moreover, we dispute Category:Comfort women that I mostly care right now. So can I edit Comfort women without fearing your block? Since the category is associated to the article, but we did not meet the main article recently. I want a safe ground because I don't want to get blocked you without not knowing your rule setting. One more thing, if I begin editing first some article named A, and keep editing in continually days, could he edit the article 5 days after my first edit on it or last edit on it? Because if you apply your rule with the former, it seems you block throughly one side not to edit the article in which we would be interested. If you enforce your rule with the latter case, it is unfair to one side. Besides, can we leave our opinion respectively on someone's talk page at the same time? Could you also try a time setting? It is not formal probation, so you would better confine the time setting. Thanks. --Caspian blue (talk) 07:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course article talk pages are fine. No you cannot edit any article that he does within 5 days. Last edit not first, Yes to someone else's talk page, but not to causing disruption there, if you insist on time setting let's try 3 months and see if it works. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you also tell the comfort women case? I'm about to edit the article, so need your clarification on this. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 08:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Why do you need clarifiction on this one? Has he edited the article in the past 5 days? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

No, he has not. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 12:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted TechCrunch50?

Wow, you really need to take a closer look. I created a Stub for TechCrunch50. I really don't care if you undelete it or whatever. I couldn't care less about whether Wikipedia is relevant, but I thought YOU would. I am not affiliated with TechCrunch50 OR with Wikipedia!

Think about it...

Last year, at TechCrunch40, 40 companies were introduced. Many had little or no funding. Since the event, 10% of those companies received funding of $10 MILLION to $27 MILLION. A FULL FORTY PERCENT WERE FUNDED at $3 MILLION OR MORE. 39 of the 40 are still in business. Significant? Heck, it may be driving the world's next phase of technology.

And yet TechCrunch50 isn't significant enough to have a wikipedia page! That's funny. Blatent advertising? ok, whatever.

Like I said, I don't care. I put it in there. You don't want it in there, it's your mistake. You'll forever be known as the person who thought TechCrunch50 had no significance and deleted its Wikipedia page.

Barbara29684 (talk) 21:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia not a promotional venue. Creating an article about an event 'before it has happened is advertising. What else could it be? I undeleted the page so that your info is in the history and redirected it to TechCrunch. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, considering I have nothing to do with TechCrunch50, and merely created the page BECAUSE IT WAS MARKED AS A MISSING PAGE, I wouldn't consider it promotional. Clearly you can do what you want. I created the page BECAUSE IT WAS REFERRED TO ELSEWHERE IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA (duh!) AS A MISSING PAGE. And to redirect TechCrunch50 & TechCrunch40 to TechCrunch is like referring the entry for "Kansas City" to "Kansas" because they share part of a name, regardless of the fact that Kansas City is in Missouri. TechCrunch50 is NOT TechCrunch. Although TechCrunch is affiliated, they are separate legal entities and therefore are not one in the same, nor even a subsidiary / parent relationship. They happen to share ONE founder, Michael Arrington.

I see that the TechCrunch50 article was created once before (as Techcrunch50, no capital "C". Clearly it's noteworthy and of value or others like me wouldn't be creating the page. And clearly it's noteworthy or there wouldn't be 40,000 hits on Google for "TechCrunch50". People look to Wikipedia to learn about things. Your shortsightedness is preventing that learning. "What else could it be?" - Duh. Open your mind.

Good work. One Google search or a click on the link would have told you the significance. You really need to do your homework - you're not helping anyone with your closed mind.

P.S. using your "it hasn't happened, therefore it must be an ad - what else could it be" logic, you better delete United_States_presidential_election,_2008.

Barbara29684 (talk) 03:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

AN thread thing

Just letting you know that this ANI "wikistalking" thread has come out of that "cat" thread on AN. Regards, D.M.N. (talk) 16:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

About Skeletal...

Hey, this is Usernamesarekewl here. I'm a new user who has only been on wikipedia for about a week or so, and I'm already being flamed by another user named Skeletal. He is being very rude to me, undoing everything I edit and even telling others to do so too. If you want proof look at my talk page or at the bottom of the 'Sonic the Hedgehog 2006' discussion page. I have told him to stop and to give my edits a chance many times, but he has done neither and continues to both flame and threaten me. There is nothing wrong with my edits! I have gotten requests from users that can't edit semi-protected pages like I can to slightly change the Sonic video game series template, which I have. I even follow the five rules of editing the template listed below the template, and all Skeletal does is change it back immediately! I am getting kinda tired of this and hope you can do something. Thankz! Usernamesarekewl (talk) 17:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I note that you haven't including any edit summaries explaining why you are making the edits. If you wish to change something and he does not then it's up to you to go to the talk page and convince people why your change is for the better. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks, I'll do that then. :) It might take a few hours to put everything together though... Usernamesarekewl (talk) 17:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Help?

Hey, I was wondering if you could help me out in this problem? When I place this template,

and click "Edit", "View", or "Discussion", it takes me to the real thing, instead of User:SLJCOAAATR 1/Sandbox/Template:Sonic Characters. Is there a way to fix that? Or should I ask someone else? Thanks. Also, you can reply here. I'm watching your talk. lol. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 19:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Show me the page where you placed it, so I can investigate. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh I see. It the name parameter in the navbox. The e.v. and d buttons are automatically set up by the navbox template and they use the name to work out where. Fix the name and you fix the buttons. However I wouldn't bother, as presumably you are going to want to try and move the template into the main template space once finished in whch case you'd have to fix it again. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that' my main plan, but, I'm still trying to decide what we'll be able to get, so I know which artcles to work on. Thanks, then! Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 23:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

CASPIAN BLUE

Theresa knott. I got this warning about Caspian blue on my talk page. I watch him now and come here. Always the same with him.

He starts his revisions on comfort women again. I discussed with him. I provide him with references. He ignore me. I think he is going to make war again. -- Priorend —Preceding unsigned comment added by Priorend (talk • contribs) 04:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you take it to ANI please, I'd like other admins to deal with it. Also If you are a sockpuppet account you need to go back to your main account as I, and most admins, ignore socks. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

OH I see that you have already been blocked as a sock. Take my advice. Go away for at least 6 month, then appeal your original block to the arbcom. Continuing to sock will get you nowhere. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Erode

Should be ok now http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Erode&diff=230162131&oldid=230160933 Andvd (talk) 09:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Andvd

Yes it looks fine. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Unblock request

Yer up to bat on User talk:Cbsite's unblock request. Please see his blank/reset of the talk page recently; probably trying to create another account. Tan ǀ 39 19:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Whaatt? Why would he need to blank his talk page in order to create another account? That makes no sense. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

And again. I am surmising, obviously, but he blanked his talk page once, then had to come back to get the autoblock lifted, which prevents new account creation from his IP. Now that that autoblock is lifted, he "dismissed" us again ("have fun, children"). There's really no other reason he would care about that autoblock... Tan ǀ 39 19:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course autoblocks expire soon enough anyway so there would be little point in doing that. I think he is upset and feels at the moment that he rather leave. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, he didn't know that. ANYWAY, a tired issue. Let's go do more interesting things, like maybe actually work. Tan ǀ 39 19:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• Per his disruption, I've reblocked indefinitely. His talk page is protected due to disruptive editing through IP jumping. –xeno (talk) 13:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. In fact I'm tempted to block the IP for a lot longer.I shall watch and see what he does when the block expires. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I do fear we may have created another serial vandal, but I hope instead he just goes off into the great blue yonder. –xeno (talk) 13:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

We didn't create him! He was a problematic editor when editing legitimately. Always going to end up banned in the long run anyhow. Note that this latest disruption occurred after I went out on a limb and unblocked him. Someone who responds to an act of kindness on my part by acting like a Jerk is created all by himself. if he does turn into a vandal, so what? We can deal with vandals much easier than we can with disruptive editors. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

i know, I was just being overly dramatic =) –xeno (talk) 13:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

User:SLJCOAAATR 1 is following me around

Since his block ended: he has posted nearly everywhere I have. I remove a tiny bit of information from an article, he reverts it in a matter of minutes. I post on a talk page: he posts nearly right away with an arguement. I feel he is just trying to stir up trouble, and needs to leave me alone. In the case of the reverts: I see it as a bit of ownership, because he thinks his view on notability is the way to go. I shouldn't have to be stalked by this user, just because he has a clear grudge against me. He doesn't agree with my edits, and decides to lash out on me in talk page posts. Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid, but I feel he doesn't need to instantly reply to each and every comment of mine, just to argue with me. I clearly know he wont agree with much on me, I don't need to see a new post about it. RobJ1981 (talk) 01:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

big shocker!!! rob is acusing some person of stalking him (AGAIN!), and yet one more person is told to stay away from rob. rob is always the victim. i think thats now 50 people that have to syat away from rob. must be nice to have admin to cry to every five mintes. rob should be renamed doesnotplaywellwithoters1981! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.199.145.21 (talk) 13:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You are posting on pages in which he is clearly interested and almost certainly has on his watchlist so talking of stalking is OTT in my opinion. Never the less I have asked him to stay clear of you for a few days to calm things down a little. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

So now, I can't work on the articles that I normally work on?... -.- Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 16:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say that. I asked you to steer clear of RobJ1981 for a few days that's all. There is no need to immediately reply to his posts on a talk page for example. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thing is, I'm on like, 10 hours a day, and I get pretty bored, so, whenever I see that someone is on, I reply right away, I'm not the type person to be all "Oh, look, someone repled, I'll a week..." lol. Y'know what I'm saying? Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 17:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes I do and I'm telling you not to do it to him! He has accused you of stalking him for crying out loud. So don't do it. He's not your mate. Leave him alone. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 17:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Fine, though, I don't get why he keeps saying I'm trying to fight him...I told him to calm down, and out of that he gets "He's stalking me." and "He's trying to fight me." I mean, I replyed to both of you cmments here rather fast, does that mean I'm stalking you? No. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 18:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Rob is such a peach!! please see his disruptive behavior vs skeletal, he has a long history of poor behavior and as been talkt to many time by admin. Not assuming good faith

accusing skeletal of own (not to mention stalking)

undoing others edits with no reason in edit summary

but please donnt tell rob to behave. he only has several rfc's, wikiquette alerts and ANI's and a ban against him. but somehow it is always other guy!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.198.252.151 (talk) 14:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Please stop following Rob around SLJCOAAATR. I've reverted your edit at his talkpage. I'm pretty sure this IP is yours. D.M.N. (talk) 15:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

-.- *facepalm* Hell no. That is NOT me. No matter how poorly I get along with someone, I don't do stuff like that. Nor, is that my type of grammer. I do, however, think I know whom this may be. Though, I can't go to the personsaying that he/she's getting me in trouble without any proof. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 19:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Is this 3RR violation?

Since we (I and Sennen goroshi) can not leave a message to each other's talk page or edit article at the same time, how could we warn 3RR if one is engaging in a edit warring with others? Sennen picked up a similar article with which I edited.2008-08-06T20:55:28 my edit on dog meat. Sennen goroshi's edit warring on Bosintang (dog meat soup) I'm not sure whether it is a 3RR violation because I consider adding something first without a consensus is "reverting". There is no discussion on this at the talk page of bosintang. Why do I bother to report this because I feel he still select similar articles that I previously edit before like these.Comfort womenProstitution in South KoreaProstitution in South Korea--Caspian blue (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

• Previous status.2008-07-20T19:10:05
• 1st 2008-08-07T14:22:00
• 2nd 2008-08-08T01:52:08
• 3rd 2008-08-08T02:23:04
• 4th 2008-08-08T02:26:02

"how could we warn 3RR if one is engaging in a edit warring with others?" You don't. You stay away from him not getting involved in any way. He is entitled to edit similar articles to you. If he edit wars on them, that is none of your business. Others will deal with it. No need for you to get involved. Please do not check his contributions. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, you did still tell me that these diffs are a 3RR violation or not. That is what I want to know. 3RR reports are often filed by uninvolved parties as he did to me as well. The above diffs prove that he is "checking on my contribution history first". Besides, you will see that the articles he edits recently have time stamps of me some times ago. Therefore, I automatically get to know his activities on articles on my "watchlist". So that is MY business. In order to avoid meeting him at the same time, I have to carefully check my watchlist and article history.--Caspian blue (talk) 15:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

DO NOT FILE A 3RR report on him. What is it about leave each other alone that you find so difficult to comprehend? Stay away from him. Watchlist stuff is really easy. if he edits and it comes up on your watchlist, then obviosly you should not for 5 days. Easy. Stay away from him. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

If I have an intention to file a 3RR report on him, I would not bring this up to you. He knows 3RR rule quite well and 3RR warning is actually up for newbies. I just want you to warn him not to make disruptive edit wars and still checking on me and following me. Nevertheless, I believe he violated 3RR on the article similar to dog meat that I edited. However if I were in a similar situation, I'm pretty sure that he would file on me per our long history.--Caspian blue (talk) 15:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

If he is editing disruptively then other admins can deal with that. Although no one is likely to agree with your interpretation of the 3RR. A first edit isn't a revert. I am confining my self to making sure that he doesn't stalk you. But you make this very hard if you don't steer clear of him. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 15:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh thank you for clarifying the notion of 3RR. That helps me. However, every time I edit some article, I have to check to see if I miss his edit on it within 5 days, so you make me have imperative ideas (of course, you think both are responsible for that probaton)--Caspian blue (talk) 15:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Dante Raul Teodoro Deletion

Hi Theresa!

I just want to ask your help to keep Dante Raul Teodoro in wikipedia. What do you mean "he is not notable?" What do I need to show to prove my claim that Dante Raul Teodoro is notable and he has done a lot, has brought pride and honor for filipinos overseas, has been awarded and recognized in the field of business both in the Filipino and American community.