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Re Mark Reed (sculptor)

Dear the roadislong,

Thank you very much for your editing of the Mark Reed (sculptor) article and removal of unsourced and primary content.

I have removed the information relating to Reed's education, as I didn't have a 3rd party source for this.

With reference to the citation needed for the sentence in Biography "In 2004 he worked on his first public commission- Bronze and Cast Iron Tree Planters for The Prince's Trust and the City of London, unveiled by the Lord Mayor of the City." This was something that was discussed in the Anglia News feature on Reed by Clare Mc Galuchlan and hence the citation should be after this sentence and not preceding it. However, if you feel that it would be better to remove tis sentence then I will be guided by your expert opinion and editorial knowledge as i don't want to article to be at all subjective.

When I started updating the Mark Reed (sculptor) article at the start of the year, I was stupidly unaware that my additions to the page were contravening COI rules on Wikipedia. As the wife of the sculptor for 5 years now, I genuinely didn't want to advertise on the site and can completely see that my viewpoint could be skewed by my relationship with his, particularly in relations to his more recent work, where he made a Wave Sculpture in Norwich Cathedral ( 2021) in conjunction with the Natural History Museum visit of Dippy on Tour about climate change that raised over £2,000 for Cathedral charities and was visited by 230,000 visitors. (as you have very kindly seen that I have plenty of 3rd party citations to evidence and thus deemed appropriate- thank you so much for your kind editorial advice on this!)

Also a tree sculpture for the Queen Elizabeth Hospital NHS Trust Kings Lynn Garden of Life at the Macmillan Centre , last year which he completed for a not even cost price of materials as this piece was of personal importance to him, his first child was born at the hospital and he lost his father to cancer there. Each leaf can be engraved thus is raising funds for the League of Friends .

These were the two pieces that I wanted to add and am enormously grateful for yourself and other editors giving so freely of your time to help others such as myself. I am enormously grateful that and allowed the Wave piece to stand.

I wanted to scrap large parts of the previous article but as I hadn't edited for a considerable amount of time it was so difficult to learn from scratch again, especially as in this period ,so much seems to have changed from my previous editorials several years ago.

I would be honoured and massively grateful if you would accept my apology for being rather naïve. I honestly did not mean to use Wikipedia as an advertising vehicle and didn't know ( stupidly) that I was doing anything wrong. He has a wealth of news and magazine sources on these pieces in particular and I would be enormously grateful if you would consider to continue viewing my further editorial requests.

I would really love your advice as I don't want to contravene any Wikipedia guidelines. . I would relish your help and thank you once again for all your help and advice, Many thanks Hannah

Hannahlucy100 (talk) 21:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Jason Gamrath article

Please explain why entire articles about the subject on local newspapers' websites and botanical gardens does not qualify as reliable secondary sources. 1010Art (talk) 11:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Jason Gamrath doesn’t show how they pass WP:NARTIST. Facebook and his own resume are NOT reliable independent sources and other sources are primary so contribute nothing to notability. Theroadislong (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

My draft: Francesco Tigani

In your comment I read that there are no independent sources. In reality, independent sources such as Italian magazines and newspapers are cited that talk about the subject. Laconoscenzarendeliberi (talk) 06:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Indipendent sources for my draft

In the comments I read that there are no independent sources. In reality, independent sources such as Italian magazines and newspapers are cited that talk about the subject. Laconoscenzarendeliberi (talk) 06:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry they appeared to be links to his own essays? Theroadislong (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Mark Reed article

Hi there! So I just finished some cleanup over at Mark Reed (sculptor) and was wondering if whenever you have a quick second, to take a look and see if it sounds any better than before. Since you placed the advert template, I'm deferring to your judgment on whether it comes off or not. The COI template I think should remain because they were up until just the other day still editing the article. But I think it reads a bit better now, if maybe you could take a look, I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much Spintendo 07:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work, much improved, though if this was at WP:AFC I would question whether they passed WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 07:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Dr Sola Fola-Alade

Hello Theroadislong,

Thank you so much for your support and review of the article I created. I followed the advice in your comment by removing the active links and links to spotify and youtube. Additionally, I added secondary sources to the article. I seem to have been rejected by an editor aligned with a paid scam editing service. How do I rectify this, please?

Many thanks, Shirleysk (talk) 11:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

When I declined your draft I didn't realise that it had already been rejected before, because you had removed the notice with this edit [1] it has now been rejected again and rejection means it will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 11:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Typo

I think you meant in this comment to say not reliable or unreliable... but you didn't. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Whoops thanks for the heads up. Theroadislong (talk) 20:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Review of Biography - Aji John

Hi, Please review the biography as the person named Aji John is a well know film maker and actor in Malayalam film industry. Artofficialuae (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@Artofficialuae: You have not submitted it for review. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Review of Draft:Cornell Jeb E. Brooks School of Public Policy

Hi Theroadislong,

Thank you for your feedback on my draft for the Cornell Jeb E. Brooks school article. After trying to revise it, I realize that it likely doesn't meet WP:GNG for separate pages because I had a very hard time finding secondary sources that were not affiliated with Cornell. However, I still think it is "notable" to a certain extent because the school is outputting large amounts of research and its existence has a non-trivial impact on college admissions.

Is it appropriate for me to edit a closely-related page like the Cornell College of Human Ecology, whence the Jeb school comes, to reflect the existence of the school and then put up a redirect? Since notability seems to only apply for having separate pages, not sections?

Thanks! - Adeqyateky Adeqyateky (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Notability is established by significant coverage in sources not affiliated with them. It might be possible to mention it in another article if there are suitable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 18:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Request on 21:14:21, 4 July 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Littleboybrew

Littleboybrew (talk · contribs)
- Draft:United States Marshals Museum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

So I created an article describing a recently opened non profit museum. This museum documents the history of the US Marshals. It describes the history of its establishment and what topics the museum covers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:United_States_Marshals_Museum

I am not sure why this page has been declined. Please explain in detail why it is not acceptable.

Littleboybrew (talk) 21:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

You say that you “created an article describing a recently opened non profit museum” that’s not how Wikipedia works, articles are based on what reliable independent sources say about a topic. Theroadislong (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

The governor of the State of Arkansas was there to conduct opening ceremonies. https://www.4029tv.com/article/opening-ceremony-held-for-u-s-marshals-museum-in-fort-smith/44392665

Now she is a right wing hack to be sure but just what kind of reliable sources do you want me to reference to establish that this museum is noteworthy? This is a legitimate museum documenting an important part segment in the history of the USA. Littleboybrew (talk) 21:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@Littleboybrew: Please read WP:42 for info on what is required to show notability and WP:BACKWARD for a good guide to how to successfully write an article. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh you mean like the newspaper article I cited and the web news site that I cited that are not affiliated with the museum? Is that what you mean? Or maybe the information I referenced at the US Marshals' website (not affiliated with the museum)? Maybe if someone had spent a few minutes actually READING what I wrote (seriously, the article was rejected so quickly nobody could have given it serious consideration) then you would not make such a lame suggestion. Littleboybrew (talk) 19:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey Theroadislong!

Thanks for the Message, However, i want to make it clear that i was at the basic time of developing the content of my page when you left your comment, kindly take another look at? the page and review. The subject which this page is referenced to, is of high level, a Nigerian incumbent congressman recently elected!. I and my team has made a lot of research and made relevant edits and commits. Kindly take a look back and evaluate your perpective. Thank you! Amalgoni (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Entirely inappropriate promotional tone and Wikipedia accounts should not be shared, who is "my team"? Theroadislong (talk) 07:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Dear The-Road-is-Long, thank you so much for your massive amounts of time, energy and editorial help in the article Mark Reed (sculptor), I know it must have been very long road with this piece and I am incredibly grateful! Hannah Hannahlucy100 (talk) 16:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Source

why imbd and times if india is not a source Kushang J (talk) 08:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

See WP:TOI and WP:IMDB and more broadly Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Theroadislong (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for going over my page

I saw that you just went over the page designed for ThePricer and you declined it. It would help greatly if you could give me some pointers so that I avoid the embarrassment of having it rejected again:) I went over the guidelines and saw that press releases can't be used as sources. So I know I have to get that part out of the page. Could you point me in the right direction to have the necessary changes made? Thank you again for a prompt review, I have read somewhere that it usually takes several months for pages to get reviewed:) Lisashelby (talk) 08:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Junior Eurovision 2023

Hey there,

just a quick note regarding Draft:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023 - You claim that JuniorEurovision.tv is not a reliable source. This is literally the official website of the Contest by the EBU. You can't get more official then that. The reason for this page to be kept in Draft stage are preposterous in my opinion.

Yours sincerly - Florian100100 Florian100100 (talk) 16:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

It is not independent though! We base articles on significant coverage in reliable independent sources NOT primary sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Just release it already- 2600:1700:2A90:34A0:F18D:5B4F:AA5C:8E58 (talk) 01:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

That's like saying that official Website of the international olympic comitee is not reliable source regarding the olympics. Florian100100 (talk) 14:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Florian100100 It's not! It is a primary source so should not be used for anything but very basic facts. In any case I accepted the draft earlier.Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding Dungeons of Dreadrock

Hi Theroadislong. I'm Christoph and I hope it's okay if I ask a question related to Dungeons of Dreadrock. If I'm not mistaken, you added a COI header to it, which, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal could be removed because (point 4) the template requests initiating a talk page discussion and you didn't do that. So I guess that means that if you feel that my article drapht was biased (I am the dev of the game after all) you should probably elaborate on that. I hope you take my message as friendly, I am not a native speaker and sometimes find it difficult to express things without being too rational. ChristophMinnameier (talk) 10:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

As the developer of the game you should not be editing the article directly. You can request edits with the template {{edit request}}, see WP:Edit request for more details. Theroadislong (talk) 10:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

okay thank you! ChristophMinnameier (talk) 11:38, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		message Chainsawpunk (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Pmnedus

Thanks for the assistance. I was beginning to loose my cool, as they say. Kleuske (talk) 11:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC) The Unlikely Pilgrime of Harold Fry (Rex and Maureen secret sex scene) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.55.50.0 (talk) 23:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Biplabi Sabyasachi (Newspaper)

Please review the article once again, All the necessary changes have been made.

Draft:Biplabi Sabyasachi (Newspaper) Anubisishere (talk) 09:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

The draft is riddled with spam links and promotion “committed to upholding the rich history, development, culture, and unity of Medinipur through its pages.” “a renowned newspaper deeply rooted in the historic district of Medinipur” “a leading Bengali Newspaper” “most circulated newspapers of Midnapore town” “popular online edition” etc. Theroadislong (talk) 09:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I am working newly on Wikipedia articles hence did not know about the things. Changed the description as per the guidelines. Please check once again. Anubisishere (talk) 09:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Check the details now and tell me if more references are needed. Anubisishere (talk) 11:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Biplabi Sabyasachi (Newspaper) Once Again.

Removed self references except the about page and the epaper. Two separate book references has been added, one independent website and the RNI details also. Please check.

Draft:Biplabi Sabyasachi (Newspaper) - Wikipedia Anubisishere (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Stiven Mikhail

Why was the page deleted ? Image was approved and all references were there ? This is a pro football coach ? Ildivino1010 (talk) 04:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

The photograph was deleted as a copyright violation I think? The draft is here Draft:Stiven Mikhail waiting to be submitted for review. Theroadislong (talk) 07:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Image has no copyright violation as there is email proof given to wiki for usage. I don't understand why Stiven Mikhail wikipedia was taken down. He is a professional in Hungary and has many articles and a transfermarkt. Transfermarkt is strictly for professional football players , coaches and managers. I say this because I seen an editor write that transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Which is not true , it is strictly for professionals. For proof of image usage please let me know how I may send it Ildivino1010 (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Request on 08:51:37, 17 July 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Dr. Shivanand Hulayalka

Dr. Shivanand Hulayalka (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Dr. Shivanand Hulyalkar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi,

This is Puneet Sharma, I'm on behalf on Dr. Shivanand Hulyalkar, who is associated with Indian National Congress Party and also an Ex-Cabinet Minister of Textiles (Govt of India). He want to create a wikipedia biography article for himself. For him, I created the biography article which I submit for review but you rejected. I don't understand. Please help me to make this article live.

Dr. Shivanand Hulayalka (talk) 08:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

The reasons are in the grey decline box namely "references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject" and the content is written in an inappropriate promotional tone. You also need to change your user name ASAP because you are impersonating the subject. Theroadislong (talk) 09:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Skibidi toilet draft

Hello, Theroadislong,

Recently, you rejected my Draft on the basis the topic was not notable enough. However, listed under sources, I have included five secondary sources on the topic, three of which are articles. Please let me know whether this warrants notability, and if the draft is still not ready for publication, please let me know how I can improve it.

Thanks, WikipeDays (talk) 00:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I have reverted my rejection, if you would like to re-submit I will leave it for another reviwer. Theroadislong (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red 8th Anniversary

	Women in Red 8th Anniversary
	In July 2015 around 15.5% of the English Wikipedia's biographies were about women. As of July 2023, 19.61% of the English Wikipedia's biographies are about women. That's a lot of biographies created in the effort to close the gender gap. Happy 8th Anniversary! Join us for some virtual cake and add comments or memories and please keep on editing to close the gap!

--Lajmmoore (talk) 11:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Geovana Cléa Draft

Hello, Theroadislong

Recently, you rejected my Draft, Geovana Cléa is a very famous and well-known Brazilian and Italian painter, and is a descendant of Rosane Brandão Malta, the first lady of Brazil. I listed under sources. Joaobulanzita (talk) 13:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually I didn't reject your draft, that would mean you had no option to submit again, I declined the draft because you have not made it clear how they pass WP:NARTIST? And being "famous" and "a descendant of Rosane Brandão Malta" confer zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Lunar Glitter

Would you be kind enough to turn my informal reviewer comment left at the top of Draft:Lunar Glitter into a formal AFC decline for this user, please? Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

David "Feet" Rogers Draft

What is the proper way to cite a source that is a film documentary? Wikipedia does not appear to have that function. Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 16:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thepublicschoolmusician. Try Template:Cite AV media. Cullen328 (talk) 16:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 I had just looked this up as I wasn't sure myself! Theroadislong (talk) 16:52, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

thank you! Will work on it right now! Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 16:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

As far as my other sources, I included the fact that David "Feet" Rogers is a 2019 inductee to the Hawaiian Music Hall of Fame.

I also included 2 separately published books that were independently written by separate people which cover the topic of the History of Hawaiian music and its musicians. Both of which corroborate information mentioned in the article.

I have his obituary as a source.

I have included a source from the local newspaper the Honolulu Star Bulletin.

I have a source from the University of Hawaii.

I really am doing my best to fulfill Wikipedia guidelines.

The only thing I need help on is how to cite a documentary film, and how to cite a recording from National Geographic.

Feet Rogers is notable because he was the featured Hawaiian steel guitarist for a National Geographic recording, as well as an inductee to the Hawaiian music hall of fame. Those things are true. I just need to cite them. Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 16:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

The only audio source that I can find of the National Geographic recording (originally recorded on Vinyl in 1974) is available on YouTube.

I cannot find any other audio source or recording directly from National Geographic.

The only thing that I can cite is the following: A Sounds of the World recording from National Geographic Society 1974

I really need this citation and source because it bolsters the fact that David "Feet" Rogers is INDEED notable as per Wikipedia guidelines. Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 17:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong now that I have cleaned up the sources, added several independently written and published works, I believe the sourcing and citations meets Wikipedia's standard on Reliability.

As far as Notability, I cited that David "Feet" Rogers is a 2019 (posthumous) inductee to the Hawaiian Music Hall of Fame which has an independent Board of Directors, and nominees are chosen amongst the recommendations put forth by the people of Hawaii.

Moreover, David "Feet" Rogers was the featured and only Hawaiian Steel Guitarist on the National Geographic Society's "Music of Hawaii" recordings. That is also very Notable.

Please let me know if there is anything else I need to address in order for the Draft to be approved. Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I am yet to be convinced that they pass WP:NMUSICIAN so will leave it for another reviewer, to be fair. Theroadislong (talk) 18:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong David "Feet" Rogers meets WP:NMUSICIAN's criterias 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 10.

1 is provable with my sources and citations

4 Sons of Hawaii have toured the world

5 Sons of Hawaii have multiple records across decades with Hula records, which started in 1935 and is still in business today

6 Every musician in the Sons of Hawaii were notable, ESPECIALLY Gabby Pahinui, and Eddie Kamae.

7 David "Feet" Roger's Hawaiian lap steel is the pre-eminent sound of traditional Hawaiian folk music, as he is recognized by many musicians in Hawaii and is a member of the Hawaii Music Hall of Fame.

10 He recorded on a 1974 National Geographic Society recording as the only steel player on the "music of Hawaii". He also played on the internationally popular (in its day) Hawaii Calls Radio program.

At this point, I've done everything you asked despite your negative comments about my article going "from bad to worse" simply based upon the nature of the citations, not the truth with what I was writing about.

Thank you for passing me on to another reviewer for fairness because I honestly believe you're giving me a hard time just because I have a new account and this is my first Wikipedia article.

David "Feet" Rogers accomplished something profoundly beautiful and notable in his life. He deserves to be remembered and cataloged on the internet so future Hawaiian musicians and Lap Steel enthusiasts can more easily learn more about him. He's been dead for 40 years. I made this Wikipedia article for posterity, and not for self promotion, or the promotion of a long dead musician. There's no money in it. Just the principle. Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft Chang, Ching-Yu

Hello, because the information on this historical figure is very scarce, many deeds are also conveyed by his children, but he has made a lot of contributions to Taiwan's education and historical battles, and I hope you can approve the review. Yen930407 (talk) 16:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires the topic to have been covered in-depth by reliable, independent sources not "conveyed by his children". It is also pointless and disruptive to re-submit with zero changes. Theroadislong (talk) 16:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Actualcpscm (talk) 13:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Not Encouraging comment

Your comment on my draft article is not encouraging. I've now rewritten the article to before neutral. Worital Global is a notable publishing company in Nigeria which I have no relationship with nor have received any pecuniary gains from.

Please do offer objective counsel on how to improve the article instead of calling it a blatant advertising which it's not.

Thanks. Sapodefirst (talk) 13:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

It is absolutely blatant advertising... "WORITAL has gained recognition for its efforts in amplifying African voices, fostering cultural exchange, and promoting literary diversity. By supporting emerging writers and providing them with a platform, WORITAL has made significant contributions to the growth and development of the African literary community." Theroadislong (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Article review

Hello, my friend, how are you? I published an article, but it was rejected because the sources are not reliable. I have added 7 reliable sources from accredited Egyptian sites, and you can verify this by searching these sites. I hope you will review this article again, thank you Mohammad Ali0 (talk) 14:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

URGENT

Your denial of the Carus Draft for not being notable is false and wrong. Please feel free to create a new draft for it, otherwise it will be created by someone else. Bond000777 (talk) 04:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Threats are so counter-productive. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Carus Chemical Company consists of a single unsourced sentence, clearly is was never going to be accepted by anyone, you are free to continue editing. Theroadislong (talk) 06:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Article review

Hello, my friend, how are you? Please review my last article. It was rejected due to lack of sources. Indeed, this problem has been solved and many reliable sources have been added. Mohammad Ali0 (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

website used as reference

Hi Theroadislong,

Thank you, and yes, I agree that websites cannot add notability, however, in my case, I am trying to reference press and essays that have never been digitized, but copies of the original publications are scanned in the artist’s papers and listed with ISBN numbers on his website with individual Internet address . I fall back on this from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Reliability_in_specific_contexts

“Context relates to specific facts, not just the source

The very same source may be reliable for one fact and not for another. Evaluation of reliability of a source considers the fact for which the source is cited, the context of the fact and cite in the article, incentives of the source to be reliable, the general tone of credibility of the source for the specific fact, etc. For example, a web site that purports to list an artist's works is likely reliable for the fact that the artist authored a specific work, if the web site list meets other criteria for reliability (e.g., not under control of the artist or otherwise questionable), and especially if the list has some further indicia of reliability of existence and publication of the work (ISBN number, publisher stock number, photographs of covers, etc.). Similarly, the publisher's web site is likely to be reliable for the fact that the work exists, for the fact that the work was authored by the purported author, and for publication data (publishers are incentivized to be truthful about the works they publish; publishers do not invite copyright suits or inquiries for works that do not exist). But neither the list web page nor the publisher's web site are per se reliable for any critical, artistic, or commercial evaluation of the work, or any rank ordering of merit, without further indicia of reliability.”

I have seen websites listed on Wikipedia about living artists, on older Wikipedia, under external links, but if that is red flag I will leave it off. Jjcoste2 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

References do not have to be online we don't need scanned copies. Theroadislong (talk) 16:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong,

Thank you, that is interesting. Are you saying that my press references would be acceptable as is without a link? If that is the case and I removed the press links to the articles, would you be able to let me know where my draft might stand currently on this road known as Dan Snyder (artist)? Jjcoste2 (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Dan Snyder (artist) passes the criteria at WP:NARTIST but the citations are not correctly formatted, which may put reviewers off accepting. Theroadislong (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Thank you for checking in. I actually realized immediately what you had done and what was wrong when I saw your edit in preview mode. I have been attempting to replicate, but when I do I get an error message. For some reason I lost my ability to use the visual editor after my first big edit, but I have been able to get this far on "source" till now. I am re -reading up on the reference code help pages and unless I have a bug, I hope to have it resolved as soon as I get time to work on it. But in hindsight, yes, that was unwise of me to remove your example before I actually made the footnotes work.

Thanks again! Jjcoste2 (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Thank you for checking in. I actually realized immediately what you had done and what was wrong when I saw your edit in preview mode. I have been attempting to replicate, but when I do I get an error message. For some reason I lost my ability to use the visual editor after my first big edit, but I have been able to get this far on "source" till now. I am re -reading up on the reference code help pages and unless I have a bug, I hope to have it resolved as soon as I get time to work on it. But in hindsight, yes, that was unwise of me to remove your example before I actually made the footnotes work.

Ok -Apparently one needs to leave a space between citation numbers!

Now, I just have to figure out how to use a citation number more than once.

Thanks again! Jjcoste2 (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong,

Romans built roads that last for centuries, but that doesn't mean they aren't bumpy.

I can now get a citation in, but beside the repeating a citation issue, it appears that when I put them in it removes the link. I am assuming that cant be good, or is that just what happens on "preview"?

Thanks Again Jjcoste2 (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear you clearly haven't understood WP:REFB. Theroadislong (talk) 20:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I will read -apparently my dyslexia is getting the best of me again. Jjcoste2 (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong

Hopefully, the citations look better.

I attempted to reuse citation #1 for the public art list, but it renumbered as #11. Would that just be redundant anyway?

Also, do the External Links, and Further Reading need to be cited?

Thank you very much Jjcoste2 (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong

How does the Dan Snyder (artist) draft look now?

Thank you! Jjcoste2 (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Crezl

Thanks so much for your review and comment. If those citations with Namu Wiki are removed, from your view, the draft cannot be approved as is?The referenced content actually comes from the show itself, so can you refer to the episode of the show? This was the reason for using Namu Wiki as I was not sure... Echohk (talk) 14:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I have removed all references to namu wiki and replaced with news articles. Would appreciate your kind review that your comment has been addressed. Thank you in advance! Echohk (talk) 23:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Patriot Software (draft)

Hello, thank you for going over my page. Can you provide more information about why it was declined and which areas I need to remove / tweak before resubmitting--for example, is it mainly the review quotes in the "Reception" area that's "reading more like an advertisement?" Also, do I need to remove the references and the draft copy that don't meet the 4 criteria and only keep the references that do? Any insight you can provide is greatly appreciated! Thank you. Rachelwriting (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

I just saw your note about Forbes, Crunchbase, etc. I will remove. Does this likewise mean I need to remove that content (e.g., not mention the patent?). Rachelwriting (talk) 13:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

An article that merely tells us about the company is deemed to be advertising. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. Only content supported by independent, reliable sources will count towards any notability. Theroadislong (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking the time to provide this information. I will remove the information that does not meet the notability standards and resubmit for approval. Rachelwriting (talk) 14:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jamie_Campbell

Thank you for your comments on the above mentioned article, I have now removed any Amazon and IMDB sources and now only use internal links in the body of the article.

Please let me know if the sourced and citations have been used correctly. BlakeK56 (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

I have accepted the draft for you here Jamie Joseph Campbell, the references need expanding per the two examples I did for you. Cheers Theroadislong (talk) 15:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Request on 15:21:25, 28 July 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Sarahafifi

Sarahafifi (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Kayed Afifi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I request assistance because I don’t understand what to do for this article, why moved to draft and considered for deletion, I need someone who may help to improve it

Sarahafifi (talk) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

You need to show how they pass the criteria at WP:GNG or WP:NWRITER it has been deleted once already at WP:AFD and I can't see how they are notable enough in Wikipedia terms for an article. Theroadislong (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

AfC Barnstar

		The Articles for Creation Barnstar
		For your work with a new editor in creating Dan Snyder (artist). ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey! I wanted to thank you for your work with a new editor who was struggling to bring their vision of a new article to life. Your efforts and patience paid off and I wanted you to know that your hard work did not go unnoticed. Thank you for your exceptional example! ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

There are so many poor quality drafts at WP:AFC it's always a pleasure to help the few nuggets of gold. Theroadislong (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red August 2023

Women in Red August 2023, Vol 9, Iss 8, Nos 251, 252, 277, 278, 279, 280

Online events:

New: Alphabet run C & D | Indigenous women | Film and stage | Geofocus: Arab League

Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman

See also:

Wikimania 2023 will be held in Singapore, 16–19 August, and will be facilitated by the
affiliates in the ESEAP (East/South East/Asia/Pacific) region.

Tip of the month:

Read the essay Determining Native American and Indigenous Canadian identities to understand
the criteria for status as Native American or Indigenous Canadian.

Other ways to participate:

Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications.
Join the conversations on our talkpage.
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--Lajmmoore (talk) 19:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Your Rejection of My Donald A. Walker Article

Can you give me very precise instructions on what I need to do to get the article published?

When I originally submitted it I didn't understand Wikipedia, and it was rejected because I didn't have any third party references. I was told that examples of things I could provide are links to published papers that he had authored that were in journals, books, etc. I have added about 7 journal articles and books, including a chapter he authored for a book on Paul Samuelson, in which he published his personal, life-long correspondence with Samuelson, who was a mentor to him.

I also chose papers that were highly-cited by others.

My understanding from what I had been previously told was that if I added some of these papers and books to show he was well-known in his field, that that was all I needed to do.

It appears to me that my article for Walker is better-cited than this article on Math professor Nomizu, whose son I am personal friends with: Katsumi Nomizu. ElvisTheMan (talk) 12:06, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Your draft was declined not rejected, See other poor quality articles exist. Katsumi Nomizu has the tag ”This article includes a list of general references, but it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations." Your draft would benefit from some independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 12:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Your Rejection of My "Leibniz Institute for Catalysis" Article

Hallo Theroadislong,

This is just the english verion of the German aticle about the publicy funded research istitute of the Leibniz Association (LIKAT Rostock, Leibniz-Institut für Katalyse). there is no advertisment, but as a pubicy funded intitute we must inform the society about our reseach content and our research results.

Therefore it is neccesary to have this Wiki page. Lots of people lookfirst at wiki and then visit the official home page.

I´d be happy if you could best regards Likat nutzer (talk) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

"we must inform the society about our research content and our research results" that is the very definition of advertising here. The German Wikipedia has very different guidelines to the English one. Theroadislong (talk) 10:06, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

From Under The Bridge revision to remove IMDb reference

Hello Theroadislong,

Thank you for reviewing the From Under The Bridge film submission. The IMDb reference has been replaced with a valid news article.

Best - Ronald RonaldCooper (talk) 18:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

From Under The Bridge awards list

Hello Theroadislong,

Thank you for your feedback:

"20 awards" is not sourced and Dreamotion Studios is a primary source and not clear that any of those awards are notable?

The awards for the film are referenced on FilmFreeway, IMDb, in news articles and via each individual organization. I understand via your previous statement, the IMDb list is not acceptable. So should I list every organization website referencing every award? I can do this, but it will take a lot of time and many references.

Thank you - Ronald RonaldCooper (talk) 19:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure it is worth the effort as the awards don't seem to be notable so don't help with notability. Theroadislong (talk) 19:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Theroadislong,

News article and online references have been added to validate the award wins. 'Best Short Film' wins and cinematic screenings in cities such as Los Angeles, London, Paris and so on are relevant, especially with the suicide, bullying and cyberbullying awareness. With journalists present for such awards, is this not notable?

Thank you - Ronald RonaldCooper (talk) 20:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Frank Morano

Hello Theroadislong, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted Frank Morano per G4 as we have a recent AFD discussion and this was an unsourced article. Ϣere SpielChequers 10:25, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

David "Feet" Rogers Draft

Hello, last we talked on July 18th you said you were going to leave the draft for another reviewer to be fair.

I'm just following up. Is my draft currently waiting in some sort of pool for another editor to review it? Or do you have to "release" my draft first so that it goes into a pool so that another editor is able to see the draft and review it? Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Your draft is waiting to be submitted There are 4,254 pending submissions, it could be a while. Theroadislong (talk) 06:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Thepublicschoolmusician (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

John Kiramis

Hello @Theroadislong I need your expert advise on Draft:John Kiramis actually I am new user I tried to write this page and submit but it gets rejected but now I add some new references but these references required subscription to see that old articles of 70s can you please check that references are these references are suitable to make this page to be publish or the Subscription references are useless for wikipedia??? can you please check that is that article is good to go for mainspace? or it need more details references? Ab.Haris999 (talk) 22:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

For draft review

Hello sir, please review of draft of Stiven MIkhail. 🙏 Lalmohanlal (talk) 06:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft Artical suggestions

Hello @Theroadislong As per previous discussion, I have not changed any part of my article. Can you please review my draft article?@Scottwilliam2609 Scottwilliam2609 (talk) 10:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:SunTec Group has not been submitted for review? It would be declined if you did however, because it is totally unacceptable promotion. Theroadislong (talk) 10:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

My draft page on Maria Thomas

Thanks for moving and adding the AFC submission tag. I still have some work to do on this draft, indicated by brackets, so it's not ready for review. I'm sharing the draft with a few people (incl her son and some who know Wikipedia better than I do) for reactions and comments. Once that is done I may just pop it into Wikipedia rather than submit for review - while less experienced than many, I have created articles before and that way has worked better. Thx. Sullidav (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

If you are sharing it with her son first that would indicate a conflict of interest, so it would be preferable to submit for review. Theroadislong (talk) 16:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ildivino1010 may be of interest

All very interested in the same football coach 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:15, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Added the latest submitter. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Request on 15:31:58, 11 August 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by BMPXX123

BMPXX123 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Better Markets (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, thank you so much for your quick edits on my page. Can you please give an example of which part reads like an advertisement? I am looking forward to improving my page. Thank you!

BMPXX123 (talk) 15:31, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

It reads exactly as what the company would like to say about itself, (not surprisingly as you work for them). Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something, Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. The activities section is also sourced to a blog which is not a suitable source. Theroadislong (talk) 15:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Have updated Draft:Gobardhan Ash with references

Please do take a look - regards Ichatt4957 (talk) 05:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Request on 08:15:03, 13 August 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by RWK42oldwiki

RWK42oldwiki (talk · contribs)
- User:RWK42oldwiki/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm requesting assistance because an article I began has been deleted due to not being worked on for a while. But I am ready to return to it. I have significant information to add in tghe way of referneces, and I need to rewrite the body of the article. Thanks so much, Richard Keller RWK42oldwiki

RWK42oldwiki (talk) 08:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for help with that. Theroadislong (talk) 08:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Adding a photo correctly

Hi Theroradislong,

Dan Snyder (artist)

I have taken a photograph of the artist’s work, but as I understand it, I cannot post it to Wikipedia Commons unless I have some kind of permission from the artist. If I do, what kind of format would the permission have to be in?

Also, once there is a page for an artist, can that person edit their own wiki page, add a photo that they have taken of their own work, or a professional photo of their work that they have received permission to use on wikipedia?

Jjcoste2 (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jjcoste2 (talk page watcher) Please visit c:COM:VRT which tells you how to lodge permissions at Wikimedia Commons.

Transparency is important, so the artist, while actively discouraged from editing an article on themselves or their work may edit it. Uploading pictures of their own work will be no issue because they will always be able to lodge permissions with COM:VRT themselves.

Please note that there is no concept of "Their Own Wiki Page" - see WP:OWN. Also, what you call "pages" are articles. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Philip Agbese

You declined this as a draft. You may be interested in its history since then. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hmmm not looking good is it! Theroadislong (talk) 15:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I've rarely seen a worse acceptance. I have left a pleasant message on the creating editor's talk page 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I was interested to to see your results from the stats tool, mine were

Examined 10,317 reviews:
Accepts: 2,577 (34.25%)
Declines: 3,337 (44.36%)
Comments: 1,609 (21.39%)

Perhaps it depends on which end your reviewing, from the oldest or newest? Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

The stats are distorted over time as G13s take effect, too. They appear to "find" more acceptances out of thin air, perhaps since absent drafts are assumed be accepted? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Montra_Electric

Hi

Can you help approving Montra Electric draft.

Thanks in advance. Autoraja (talk) 17:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

No, the draft is just advertising and edited by paid users, I am a volunteer here. Theroadislong (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi I am one of the user who bought their product Super Auto and using it. So wanted to update what I am experiencing. Autoraja (talk) 09:35, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

The draft was deleted as advertising Theroadislong (talk) 10:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Gobardhan Ash

Hi Gobardhan was a member of the Calcutta Group - his name is already within the group mention in Wikipedia. The Calcutta Group was an important group related to modernism in India. Gobardhan Ash is already famous as a master artist (a modernist) - but lacks his own wikipedia page. Ichatt4957 (talk) 06:17, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but being "famous" is NOT one of the criteria at WP:GNG or WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 06:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Please recheck the Draft:Gobardhan Ash with all the reference materials and sources added there - he easily passes any notability test. He is very relevant to history. Today is also his 117th birthday Ichatt4957 (talk) 06:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Please note - have also added his awards. He has been given lifetime achievement awards by major institutions . Warm Regards Ichatt4957 (talk) 10:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

None of the awards are referenced however. Theroadislong (talk) 10:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Each of the three awards - the certificates/plaques are uploaded as images/references on the same draft to avoid any confusion. Do u want me to refer to these images after each award line ? Please let me know. But I do think that may not be required as the images/certificate/plaques are also in the draft page and anyone can see them. Ichatt4957 (talk) 10:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Ichatt4957 Images cannot be used as references. Theroadislong (talk) 10:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Further updated with external reference to each award Ichatt4957 (talk) 05:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

please do take a look Ichatt4957 (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

have added extrnal and reputable references to the achievements - please do take a look Ichatt4957 (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Muslim Blocks

hey can you help write the wiki page for our company ? Abdellahzejli (talk) 08:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:L'uomo volante

Please listen. The song won Sanremo, I've added sources, what else do you guys need? On Italian Wikipedia, it only has one reference and no one says anything, since the song is obviously relevant. Let me know, because I don't really know what more you're asking for... 84.222.36.186 (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, and it's not true that I've resubmitted it again with no differences (please check out the changelog, before going caps lock). 84.222.36.186 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

You added an external link, that is not an improvement it needs better references for the existing content. English Wikipedia has a higher bar for inclusion than the Italian version. Theroadislong (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Bartınspor

Do you help me for creat this article please. BARTINLI (talk) 08:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I have no idea what the topic even is? See WP:YFA for help. Theroadislong (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

flagged article

so I was told to clarify here that I am not being paid to create any article. as ive created one for 'edbrig.' im just trying to learn how wikipedia works and just tried writing on something. I am by NO MEANS being financially compensated by anyone to create this article. so I hope this helps. it was a genuine error on my part to post it on my user page. as I said still learning! I would really appreciate not getting banned over this! Braanding (talk) 16:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok... it's just that your editing style is very promotional and your user name implies that you are involved with branding. Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

yea figured my username might not be helping my case! tried changing it's not happening. I know accounts sometimes get banned so didn't want to use my personal account.

so when I was using my university ID. and being a marketing student, this was just the first thing that came to mind. ill definitely try to be more careful in the future. thanks for the feedback! Braanding (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Bartınspor

Hello Theroadislong. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Bartınspor, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Please see tr.:Bartınspor and de:Bartınspor, inter alia - it would appear that this is a Turkish soccer club with a long history. A WP: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bartınspor would appear to me the better option here. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 13:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Another admin has already deleted it, there is a draft awaiting improvement by the same editor but no sources yet. Theroadislong (talk) 13:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Due apologies all round from this often muddle-headed editor here. First of all, I linked "tr.:Bartınspor." instead of tr:Bartınspor. Secondly, I failed to read what was happening with de:Bartınspor. The fault here is entirely mine. @Theroadislong, Deb, and The Blade of the Northern Lights:--Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 12:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't matter to me, I would still have deleted it until such time as the creator stops messing around :-) Deb (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Mehregan Prize in Wikipedia

Hello, dear editor of Wikipedia I have added some reliable & secondary standards of the wiki and allow the page to be acceptable with the guidance of the administrators. It should be mentioned that the information about the Mehrgan Prize is very scattered and incomplete in various newspapers and websites. My aim is to supplement the scattered and sometimes incorrect and incomplete information by using various references and using the Mehrgan award statements that I have. Mehrgan Prize is a non-profit foundation for the contribution of literature and science (environment) and is not a commercial company. Therefore, there is no information about it in Wikipedia. Please support and help to create Mehrgan Prize page. It has been mentioned in all newspapers and sources that Mehrgan Award is the oldest independent and private award in Iran. And this is not an advertisement. Although no product or income is generated from this page and it is not commercial. Thank You Argmedia (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Help!

Hey! Theroadislong, could you please review this article Draft:Dargah Ustad E Zaman Trust. BrownCanary61 (talk) 07:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023

Hey! Theroadislong, could you please review my articles Draft:Zauq E Naat, Draft:Aaina E Qayamat. BrownCanary61 (talk) 09:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023

Hey! Theroadislong, could you please review my draft Draft: Barech of Bareilly. BrownCanary61 (talk) 06:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't review to order, the quality of your sources there is VERY poor, and it is not entirely clear even what the article is about. Why are there 14 sources for the last sentence? See WP:REFBOMBING. Theroadislong (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)