User talk:Vanished user 8376539/archive2013

Do I have to go through this every time I want to make ANY change?

It feels so obstinate, man. And I feel like quitting Wikipedia already. I've been here for five years, but this is... *sigh*

Has they always been like this? Anthonydraco (talk) 11:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't quit, it's really useful to have people like you here. You noted changes that needed to be made to an article, and put steps in motion to do so. Unfortunately, the article in question is a hot topic, and there has been a massive amount of edit warring over the past few weeks as loads of newer editors make their changes. This is the time when procedure gets dragged out, and lots of disagreements happen, so hold tight. In the next month or so, it'll settle down, and you'd be able to make this sort of edit relatively easily. What can be a minor edit usually can be blown up into a massive open discussion that lasts days or weeks when it's on a popular and new-ish article.

I've been here since 2007, and generally stick to editing topics that are not hot at the time. Now and again I'll branch out, as I did with Skyfall, and edit popular/hot topics, or create new articles, but then problems start occurring quite quickly. Everyone wants their say, and so every editor cracks down on the guidelines to ensure that nobody does anything untoward. When Apple released the iPad mini, I added a section to the iPad article, and in just over 4 hours, my additions had been edited 33 times. I was lucky, because I got in before anybody else, but as soon as the content was there, people added their opinions on what should be included. Needless to say, an array of arguments and discussions arose, but it's settled back down now, and the content's pretty stable. If I were to go in and edit the iPad article now, few would bat an eyelid. Looking at your list of contributions, you're by no means a small-time editor; you've contributed almost 3 times as often as me since joining. I've only become really active in the past two years.

My advice would be to stick as much as possible to contributing to low-risk articles. If you want to add something to a high-profile article, go with WP:BRD from the offset. When I want to edit a high-profile article, I follow a few basic steps: First, I check the last few edits to make sure nothing too similar was reverted. Then, I check the talk page to see if similar edits are being discussed for inclusion. If I find anything in either of these cases, I'll steer clear of making my edit. I'll add something to an existing talk discussion, or create a new one, to cover my views that the article should be changed, and leave it at that for a while. For instance, that's how I came to enter the discussion on the Skyfall page; I wanted to do a bit of polishing to areas of the plot, and found your discussion. If there's no obvious discussion happening about my planned edit, and it's not something that's been recently reverted, then I'll make the change. I'll ensure that I write a good edit summary, in which I refer people to the talk page. Then, I create a discussion on the talk page, and list why I made the edits. If anyone reverts my contribution, I put a message on their talk page, and refer them to the discussion I created earlier. I admit it's quite laborious, but it allows me to cover all of the bases. I try never to undo a revert on my own contributions, instead asking the editor why they reverted, and explain why I put the content there. I find people respond better to that, and it makes them more likely to listen to my POV fairly and unbiased.

As I said above, stick with it. It's not worth getting annoyed about. I'd suggest taking a step back from the Skyfall discussion for 48 hours or so; we'll see what the other editors have to say, and try and reach a consensus without it descending too much into politics. Looking at discussions I've taken part in on the Skyfall page, it seems to be a topic that gets quite a lot of people riled, so it's best let them fight it out. You've made your point as much as initially necessary, and it's now down to the semantics of fighting it out between people's favourite wordings. This can last for quite some time, so take a back seat, and ride it out. I guarantee you it'll make for a less stressful experience, and consensus will be reached just the same. Your point has been taken on by the other editors, so rest assured you're not going to come out of this without changing the article somehow, but it's the exact wording that is currently being deliberated. When this happens, it can be quite easy for discussions to descend into personal attacks - everyone likes their version best - so don't worry yourself over it. I hope this helps you. drewmunn (talk) 12:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, long post. Thank you. It shows that you care. I should be happy after solely seeing your effort to type something this long. :D I've read them; don't worry. How would you deal with personal attacks, though. Some old timers think he's so perfect that when he's reminded of the rules, he gets pissed and starts handing out insults. Anthonydraco (talk) 06:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, I just find it sad when good editors get disheartened. My general approach to personal attacks follows my same approach in real life; I pretend they didn't happen. I reply with something that attempts to get the discussion back on topic, and draws attention away from the editor who started the ranting. If that doesn't work, I'll try posting a separate messages on their talk page. I'll describe how I meant them no offence, and could they please look past it. If they still don't let up (some people can go a long way just to vent rage over something tiny), I'll post them another message. This one would explain that I don't feel their comments were necessary or constructive. I say that I believe their content to be in contravention of the fourth pillar of Wikipedia, as described in No Personal Attacks. I inform them that I am Disengaging from the discussion, and ask them to continue it with an administrator if they feel necessary. This generally stops them; most don't even think about what their doing until their reminded that it's wrong.

Sometimes, they'll open a new discussion on your talk page, or reply to your post, to apologise. This generally helps the discussion move on further, and it's positively beneficial to the outcome. Now and again, they'll try to continue. If they do that, just ignore them completely. You've stated you're disengaging, and you have no reason to continue after that; let them vent. My most recent example of this was a discussion about the inclusion of something in the iPad page. We were having a healthy debate over our points of view, and he descended into a personal attack. You can read my closing statement here. Since then, the user in question has made no attempt to continue the discussion with anyone else, nor has he made any further attacks on me; in fact, he only started editing again 7 days ago, nearly a month after I posted the notice. I find this method works well because it doesn't generally anger the person any more. You simply state your reason for stopping your involvement, and then you leave. In the case of the iPad discussion, I continued it at a later date with different editors, and it's been much more constructive. It leaves the door open to discussion, but shows the offending user you're not afraid to take action to prevent personal attack. It can also shock older editors into reform, because they sometimes forget to check that they are not contravening any guidelines. This method gently reminds them of the rules, and closes the door to further attack at the same time; it gives them space to think rationally about whatever point they were trying to make in the first place. I hope this helps you. drewmunn (talk) 07:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestion. I've read it again. Now I want to vent a bit about obstinacy. The same person who used personal attack against me tried something obstinate for the sake it it. Again. He asked me why I wanted to hurry and asked me to retract my words. But when he took the action into his own hands, there was suddenly no hurry, and nothing harm done. He made the damn edit I'd been asking to do. I raise those three points, and now I felt like I've been stolen credit. I want to spit. Anthonydraco (talk) 11:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay, I got distracted editing iTunes articles (geek). I'd just let people get on with being obstinate. If they are doing it because they don't like you, then give other people time to work them around. If they are against your change, ask for other editors' opinions. I find looking back over recent edits to the part of the article in question helpful; I find the most common editors, and the most recent, and ask them to join the discussion. That way, consensus can be reached, and one person's opinion is given less weight in the decision. If they make the edit you suggest, then just go with it. Some editors do this because they agree with you, and want to skip any hassle caused by further conversation, so just insert the changes. Others do it because they feel more seasoned in the article, and take your suggestion as an edit request, and insert the information. In the case of SchroCat, I believe he did it because he wanted your changes in the article, but knew that if you inserted them, one of the other contributors to the discussion may remove them. He put them in under the weight of his influence (he's a senior editor of 007 articles, most people accept what he puts in), thereby allowing your changes to fit into the article without the fuss of an edit war caused by other contributors who disagree. I'd be happy that he put it in, but I know how it can feel when someone takes your content and runs with it. The discussion on the talk page is notable enough that it'll be archived, however, so people will see that you suggested it to begin with. I've had to learn that as well, as it was hard to begin with when people used my ideas to improve an article themselves. I hope this helps. drewmunn (talk) 11:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I took your suggestion. I've been busy inserting ref. It's so tiresome! So many syntax, and sometimes I just can't see the text, LOL. Not that I'm complaining for being needy again. :P

Anyway, have you watched The Matrix movie? If so, we're short on people over there. A movie like that should've been a good article ages ago. We could use another editor over there. Anthonydraco (talk) 21:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, it's one of my favourite non-Nolan films, I'll take a look at it tomorrow and see. In the meantime, have you tried the ProveIt tool? You can enable it from your Preferences page; it's what I've been using for references for a couple of weeks now, it's really good. drewmunn (talk) 22:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes, I'll definitely try that out. But I'm afraid you'll have to guide me through some steps of using it. >_< I've been making do with the original tools. And thank you for jacking into the Matrix with us. Anthonydraco (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some concerns about first-party sources and self-published sources.

I am addressing some new concerns about the sources we're using in Skyfall article. As I feel that you're one of the main contributors, I would like to invite you to participate. Anthonydraco (talk) 06:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Heya

In an attempt to get past the impasse that has been reached re the capitalisation of I in intro on the Star Trek into Darkness article, I have created two additional sub-sections where users can put their for/against argument comments in without getting caught up in Beating a dead horse. These sections are purely for providing reasons and not for arguing back and forth, although discussions are welcome to continue in the above section. If you could come and give your view that would be great. MisterShiney ✉ 21:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, how did you do it? I'm impressed!

Wow, I love you already. I can't believe you've just done that you did. 699 words on Dark Knight Rises article! I thought I'd cut a lot down, and would require several more days to reach 700 words. You beat me to it. Damn, I hate that, but I love you. :D Anthonydraco (talk) 11:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I, urm... spend too much time watching the film! I thought you'd already done it when I saw the edit conflict page, but that was some random IP undoing all your work this morning, and adding some more stuff. drewmunn (talk

BTW, Drew, I hope you don't my me standardizing chracters' names. We sometimes calling them by first and sometimes by last. Do you think some of the intimated ones like Selina or Bruce should be called by fist names? Right now, you've just called Wayne and Selina in the same sentence, when they should be called Bruce and Selina, IMO. Anthonydraco (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, wait. You've said something on the talk page. I didn't see that, but I have a bit to say. Please join! Anthonydraco (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Will do! drewmunn (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You've reverted twice. This is not a reprimand, but I don't want you to violate 3RR before he does. I still have two more R's available. Let me do it next time. If you see it first, drop me a word, and I'll do it. If he keeps edit warring, we can keep the rules on our side. Anthonydraco (talk) 12:08, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll also be sure to work on your edit ASAP, so he can't simply revert it. Anthonydraco (talk) 12:10, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'm not planning on touching the article now, I've invited a couple of editors to the discussion, and I'll be involved with that, but leave it down to others to actually make edits. I don't want to sully changes by warring them, I just want the article to be good, so I'm going to trust you lot with that! It shouldn't be an issue though, because it seems that basically everyone in the past of the article agrees with the removal of the additions he's making, so I'll leave it down to consensus. Thanks again! drewmunn (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I've just altered some parts. Minor, I hope you don't mind. The biggest one is that I have to say that Bane appears after Batman falls into the trap. Otherwise, the next sentence reads funny, because Bane reveals his plan to... nobody. Anthonydraco (talk) 12:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just seen, it's great thanks. I didn't notice that; I turned him into a raving lunatic rather than a calculated villain! drewmunn (talk) 12:23, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek Into Darkness

I'm pretty new here. Let me know what I need to do. Thanks. SonOfThornhill (talk) 15:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your comment. On the requested move, put in either Support or Oppose, and list any reasons you have either way. The amount of support and opposition is then counted to decide whether to make the move. Thanks again. drewmunn (talk) 15:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added a comment to a discussion in the MOS Capital Letters article which seemed to have been sparked by your debate in the Into Darkness article. I followed up the comment with some observations and a proposal to amend the MOS. Not sure if anyone will put any further thought into it, but I thought someone from the Into Darkness debate pro-capitalization might be interested. My additions to the MOS:Capital Letters Talk page can be seen in this 'differences' link. (The thread itself is buried in the middle of the page, so linking to 'differences' seemed a good idea). — al-Shimoni (talk) 03:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for letting me know, I'll take a look. drewmunn (talk) 08:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great minds think alike. :) Erik (talk | contribs) 17:28, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems they do! Shame there's not more of them though, it'd clear that talk page fairly quickly. drewmunn talk 17:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An admin actually closed the RM discussion! How about that. Hopefully that will stem the tide a bit. Erik (talk | contribs) 19:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I thought it was necessary

Apologies, but I’ve taken the liberty of editing a comment of yours on Talk:Star Trek Into Darkness, replacing a long string of underscores with ---- (a horizontal rule). I did this because that many non-breaking characters in a row forces horizontal scrolling if they don’t fit in the window. —Frungi (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's absolutely fine! I half expected them to be taken out anyway, and I didn't even think about using horizontal rule. Thanks. drewmunn (talk) 08:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Film

Hi, Drew! I've seen you in discussions regarding film articles recently, and I wanted to invite you to be part of WikiProject Film. As you may have seen, we have guidelines at MOS:FILM, and our talk page at WT:FILM is fairly active. I hope you'll consider joining! Erik (talk | contribs) 19:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, I'll take a look into it! drewmunn (talk) 08:07, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome aboard! :) Erik (talk | contribs) 11:17, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to wash my hands clean of the Star Trek manner, but I appreciated your clear-headed comments through all that. Hope to see you around! Let me know if you ever have any questions or want to collaborate on a topic. Erik (talk | contribs) 10:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a similar decision. I've removed it from my watch list for the next few months so I don't get violent. Hopefully we'll get to collaborate together on some more sedentary (or at least quiet) articles in the future! drewmunn talk 10:14, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your signature

Your signature is not in accordance with the wikipedia guidelines on signature color and font. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.208.182 (talk) 17:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, as far as I can tell, it's in accordance. If you have an issue, could you point out exactly where I'm going wrong? I'm not overusing colours, I have taken colour-blindness into account, and I don't change font sizes. drewmunn talk 17:56, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't worry about it. He said the same on my page. As a teacher I can say that it takes into consideration colour blindness and dyslexia and as such is not in violation. It is also within 2 lines of code. I think he is just jealous and too lazy to set up an account and personalise his own. MisterShiney ✉ 18:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I guessed as such. I too took into account colour choices etc. He's not edited anything else from his current IP, so I assume he's an xkcd arrival. drewmunn talk 18:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have left a note on his talk page. Not that we are likely to see them again. MisterShiney ✉ 20:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek into Darkness

I just got home, and I was going to withdraw the request like you asked, but it looks like the powers that be have already taken care of that. Thanks anyway. DillonLarson (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that; an admin took the decision to close it for now; other contributors started going slightly mad! drewmunn talk 21:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would hate for you not to get what you were expecting...

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

;)  MisterShiney ✉  19:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Things are getting somewhat beyond stupid now. I thought he'd agreed to let things go, and then things just got worse. I left it in the end; it's like bashing my head against brick wall. I preferred things when it was just "untitled Star Trek sequel". I'm off to watch some real murders, then some more intriguing fictional ones.drewmunn talk 20:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know right? I am just staying away. Popping in every so often to look at the crazyness, shake my head and walk away lol. I am just watching Fringe, best series in a long time! MisterShiney ✉ 20:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've never got into Fringe, but I keep meaning to. Tonight's Death in Paradise was good; first one I haven't guessed in some time. My most recent Star Trek comment, pleading for less personal attacks, seems to have inflamed personal attacks. Maybe I should ask for everybody to rip each other to shreds, and see what that does. Reverse phycology! drewmunn talk 22:08, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My My. You have had a busy day.... MisterShiney ✉ 18:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not bad for a day I planned to spent mostly working on my service catalog; so far, I've done a lot of Wikipedia-ness, and only managed one photo shoot. drewmunn talk 18:19, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was refering to Star Trek Into Darkness related discussions. I don't think I haven ever noticed that much activity on a talk page article before.... MisterShiney ✉ 18:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know! It's been manic. drewmunn talk 21:19, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification.

I am reaching out to you because you seemed to be stepping in as an impartial moderator figure of sorts. I just wanted to clear something up about this conflict. There were multiple paragraphs. The first half met nearly universal consensus the second half could not be agreed upon. A little less than half of users supported it. There was no "compromise." It wasn't a "you can include the first paragraph, if you don't include the second" type situation. Nearly everyone agreed the first half went from bad to good, so I added it to the article. It wasn't bold, it was well agreed upon. Everyone disagreed over part two, so I rewrote it. You can go back and look at the conversation and it will back this up. (for reference, the first proposal was 4 bullets, so when people say "2 paragraphs" what they are referring to is my contribution that I placed in the article aka what you are referring to as the compromise.)

I collapsed all the quotes that support what I am saying, so they don't fill the page.

Extended content

Oppose in part. I see no real problem with the first two paragraphs (assuming the references to be reliable) because they address the titling of the movie and are accredited to the creators of the film and are on topic. --Rob Sinden

Mostly Oppose per Bradd, Scjessey and Nsign. The parts we can use are the first bullet point (already in the article) and the second, which has some decent quotes. I really oppose delving into the grammar geekery, which is not relevant to the subject matter and is of no interest to the typical reader. - Fletcher

Support As written, it's encyclopedic and well-sourced, and deftly handles a discussion of the issue without putting any emphasis on the specific debate on Wikipedia. --DavidK93

Support I actually think this is very encyclopedic, interesting, and informative, enough so that I'm now convinced that the lack of a colon is very intentional and correct (whereas I was previously on the pro-colon side). I was not aware that the studio themselves had been hand-wringing over the title and how to avoid putting a colon in it, nor that this was being covered outside of Wikipedia before it even became an issue here. --Pfhorrest

Support I don't see any major problems with this. -- douts

Oppose After much consideration and shock at how this whole can of worms got started I have decided that although some of the information might be worth a mention, it doesn't require a while section. MisterShiney

Too many words devoted to a relatively minor subject in an article about the movie as a whole—in other words, WP:UNDUE. Like I said, I feel some of that information definitely belongs in the article, but in a summarized form. But if you want to be bold, go ahead and add it in. Sounds like it’d get reverted, though. —Frungi

The first two paragraphs are interesting. Some stuff could be salvaged, but there would be WP:WEIGHT concerns because of having so much written about such a little issue. The "grammatical ambiguity" stuff is all navel-gazing bollocks. -- Scjessey

Oppose This is a joke. - Nsign

Much better. I'd delete the final sentence of the first paragraph (do we really need to know that?) but otherwise I think that's acceptable. For the record, I'd still rather it wasn't in the article at all but if it has to be then I'd say this is fine. - Nsign

I have repeatedly stated above that I believe that the first two points made by Xkcdreader have some merit (although most of that is already satisfactorily covered in the article), just not the Wikipedia-related crap that follows. -- Scjessey

No. We have not reached a consensus on the first two bullets. What is in the article already is sufficient, though it is possible that a few elements of those two points can be considered. But the vast majority of what you have written is wholly inappropriate for the article. -- Scjessey

This is what is happening here from my perspective. I proposed something. People objected. I continually modified the proposal to try and fix the criticisms. I propose a revised edition and everyone agrees the first half is good. Then I re-propose a rewritten second half and Scjessey and Rob Sinden take over the conversation. They claim there was some kind of compromise, this isn't true. Consensus was reached, the first half was appropriate, the second was still debated. If you go back and look at the conversation around the second and third revisions you will see the conversation is DOMINATED by those two users. The last time I proposed it Scjessey and Rob Sinden had already opposed it without reading it. They have put up a brick wall and refuse to cooperate or compromise in any way. Thy are opposing anything on principle without actually helping to work towards a compromise. They are discouraging anyone else from voicing an opinion by repeating the same two things over and over. Suddenly the post has the same wall of text as last time. So to say there was a compromise is completely inaccurate. To say I am the one being disruptive is somewhat unfair. I am causing problems. I asked them more than once to stop repeating their arguments and let other users have a say. This was the reply.

If you make a proposal for the article, you don't get to decide who can or cannot oppose that proposal. Furthermore, it is only your opinion that I am "derailing" anything. My criticism is just as valid as anyone else's. -- Scjessey (talk) 22:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

My opinion on the validity of his points, and my perception that he is derailing the conversation are independent. I recognize he opposes. My point is, once they have voiced their opposition, they don't need to KEEP doing it, unless their opinion has changed. This situation would not have happened had they voiced their opposition once and not in repeat mode. I am not repeating the same proposal over and over. It has been comprehensibly rewritten. Compare the first second half to the the compromise and you will see it went from 13 sentences to 5. Can we collapse everything these users have said in my proposal so it doesn't take up the entire thing, or is this considered inappropriate or something? I am not trying to silence them, I am trying to prevent them from dominating the conversation. They come in within seconds and it is completely unnecessary to harass me like that. There is no reason to act like hungry dogs and scream the second I try and work towards a compromise. I have a real problem that they are watching like hawks and revert/close discussions/oppose without even reading the contribution or helping to make it better.(Sidenote: I also really have a problem with this "it is already sufficient, it isn't necessary" argument, but that's another story. Don't encyclopedias exist to provide people information, not a lack of it?) Thanks for being a place I can rant for a second without being flooded with responses. Xkcdreader (talk) 02:27, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's just people getting heated over their opinions. The proposal you have made was put through in part, which leaves the second part in limbo. It could be equally viewed as "no decision made", or "no consensus to add". Rewriting it may not solve the issue, as the opposing editors are opposing the concept of what is said in the second paragraph. Unfortunately, Wikipeda is the sort of place where some editors will argue for the sake of arguing; especially when they are arguing with an editor they find brash, or oppose their style of editing. In this case, it can be better to let them get on with life. It's. of looking good for your second addition at the moment, so I'd just leave it for now. If the other editors want to continue, let them. If not, then let things quieten down before moving forward with your proposal. You haven't really chosen a sedate article to join, and it's always to be expected they you'll meet with some friction when your bold as a new editor. As I've said previously, if you start contributing to other articles, let things quieten down at the Star Trek Into Darkness page, it's likely you'll get more respect, and your proposal may move forward somewhat faster, and in a more civil manner. Sticking around and fighting a cyclic battle is not going to do anything other than earn the wrath of other editors. We all say things we regret from time to time, and it's getting to the stage at Star Trek where that's beginning to show quite often. When that happens, holding the moral high ground and leaving the front line is the best thing. If you want, I'll invite an impartial admin along, and get them to take a look at everything in your absence, so you can return to a more level playing field, where impartial, helpful advice has been given on the situation. drewmunn talk 07:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I get the go work on other articles sentiment but I have no desire to experience this same type of thing in other places. This is a one and done type thing for this account. Even if I stick around and contribute more, it will be under a different account name, with this one left to die. I consistently fix typos and fix unclear sentences anyway when I use wikipedia as a source anyway. I just don't have that in my account history. I made this account so I could jump in and try and offer a compromise here between two groups of people. The following is my FIRST post on the matter, and was a rabbit hole I wish I had not jumped down.

" I agree with you in that it should be included. As dumb as the whole issue is, it spilled over into pop culture and the journalism realm. The fight is now history in the most literal sense. The correct title of the movie itself was the subject of the xkcd comic, thus mentioning the comic and the dailydot article would be appropriate. THAT SAID, it needs to be rewritten in its current form. The whole subtitle part should be removed completely, (see my section above for why the subtitle debate was irrelevant in the first place.) Secondly, the "some editors" comes off as a personal attack and could be written better. See my suggestion below. 07:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC) "

" The correct capitalization of the word 'Into' in the movie title became a matter of some debate on Wikipedia and was subsequently mocked by xkcd author Randall Munroe. In a comic titled 'Star Trek into Darkness' he lampooned the fact that over forty thousand words of debate had been produced on the issue. Daily Dot writer Kevin Morris noted the debate spanned over two months. Morris also recognized director J.J. Abrams' propensity for clever marketing tactics and speculated that "perhaps Abrams knew what he was getting into when he gave his film such a grammatically bizarre title." Guy Keleny, The Independent's top grammarian, compared it to David Garnett's novel Lady Into Fox (incidentally, Wikipedia use a lowercase 'i' for this title as well), noting that a quick internet search indicated that most publishers used a capital 'I'. 07:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC) "

Then it ballooned to the somewhat less neutral: " The Daily Dot writer Kevin Morris noted the debate over the title's semantic interpretation spanned months and had become "a swirling maelstrom of anal retention from which no common sense can escape." Morris recognized director J.J. Abrams' propensity for clever marketing tactics and speculated that "perhaps Abrams knew what he was getting into when he gave his film such a grammatically bizarre title." 04:34, 3 February 2013 (UTC)"

Now it reads: In reference to a webcomic lampooning a lengthy debate over the title's orthography^[1], The Daily Dot writer Kevin Morris characterized the situation as "a swirling maelstrom" and recognized director J.J. Abrams' propensity for clever marketing tactics, speculating that "perhaps Abrams knew what he was getting into when he gave his film such a grammatically bizarre title."

I think the way it is written now provides the correct context (the web comic) while still remaining deft, neutral, tactful, and brief. Would you agree I worked to improve it so it read in a fashion that is more appropriate for an encyclopedia?

The real issue here is my terrible habit of pressing save as I work on things and then proofreading. I should be using preview about 10x to save. It's a reflex though, I don't even realize I have pressed save until the page is loaded. (partially because save page is bold and show preview isnt. I am working hard to break/undo this habbit. See how I posted all this in only one edit? Progress! Xkcdreader (talk) 08:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article is fairly unique in its massive array of conflicting opinions (I only come across such behaviour on 1/50 pages I contribute to, but this is the most vicious), so it's unlikely you'd be met with quite as much hostility elsewhere. I agree you have worked on your proposal, but it's literally just that people don't want it in any form, not that the current form isn't perfect. It's possible that it may be included later, when the rest of the article is padded out. At the moment, however, it would still make up a sizable percentage of the page's content, and it's fairly trivial. And I agree, well done for not multi-saving! I have only just successfully lowered my edit count (although saying that, you've made nearly half the number edits as I have, and I joined in 2007). Then again, it's generally pot luck whether my finger hits preview or save on my iPad. drewmunn talk 09:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to write my opinion once instead of repeating it everywhere. Now I can just link to this paragraph. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Star_Trek_Into_Darkness#Summary_of_Argument) It should hopefully fix a lot of the circular debate. I think I have made it pretty clear that WP:SUBJECT does not apply. The only two undecided issues, in my mind, are WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:UNDUE. I feel like WP:UNDUE is being used to overrule WP:TOO_LONG!#Content_removal - Content should not be removed from articles simply to reduce length and is being misused to keep something out people personally find uninteresting. WP:UNDUE says It should be easy to name prominent adherents., and by putting KEVIN's name in the article, I have named a prominent adherent. The Daily Dot is not a blog, they do cover web topics, but they have full editorial oversight. Lest me remind you, we are arguing that FIVE sentences is too much to discuss how confusing the title is. How much time did the talk page spend debating, without a clear conclusion? Xkcdreader (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

UNDUE is not being used to shorten the article, it's about sorting the chaff. For now, adding it would make it too much of the proportion of the article. The point is, we'd be making a bigger thing of the title than we are of the fact that it's a massive release. Take into account that there was a debate regarding The Dark Knight Rises, and whether the film's article should include information on the shooting, and how much. That was massive news compared to the title, yet still it was debatable how much should be in the article. For a long time, it was only mention in a small section about 4-5 sentences long. I'm not too sure that SUBJECT has much relevance, but it's possible that it may be argued. Putting all of your opinions in one place is fine, but don't assume that it's going to solve the cyclical debate. Parties on one or both sides need to step back for that to happen. As it seems you're not planning on stepping back, and it's unlikely that the other editors will, as no consensus has been reached, the debate will continue. I'm continuing to read all the content on the talk page, but will only step in on occasion. Things will not end until someone concedes or steps back, and popular opinion is stacked against consensus, thereby locking the article in its current state; if no consensus can be reached, the article is not changed. By continuing this argument, you'll be locking your own change out. If you step back and end your proposal for now, allow it to be archived, and wait for things to settle, then it's possible consensus will be on your side. Until then, everyone's too busy locking horns to allow for any change. drewmunn talk 10:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand UNDUE. Do you understand my point that it is absurd to not even address the verb/colon issue? This is an encyclopedia, and you default to NOTHING over something. "The proportion of the article" The article is devoid of ANY useful content. It's all gibberish and stupid quotes. I propose one insightful thing, and five sentences on the verb being confusing is undue weight, purely because the rest of the article is empty. It is a catch-22 and in my opinion a nonsense reason to not include valuable information that may help people. This is EXACTLY why Ignore All Rules exists, the rule is getting in way of providing people with relevant, interesting, and insightful content. Does my position at least make sense, even if you think I am wrong? Xkcdreader (talk) 10:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your position makes a little sense, but Ignore All Rules is not void of responsibility. The community in general (who have taken part in this conversation from the beginning) are divided, which means it's not added. Even if we were a democracy, there'd be more votes against your proposition than for it (from a quick check back to the earliest proposition by someone else). The reason we have division means no action is to stop this kind of scenario; we don't want to go around in circles until the cows come home with nobody budging, and no consensus being reached. If this conversation continues, that's all that'll happen. We need to break the cycle, give the conversation time to gather dust, and return to it. Time out is time spent resolving conflicts, time arguing is time spent damaging yourself and others. drewmunn talk 10:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would not be fair to use all the objections from the beginning. The majority of them have been addressed. Nsign's position changed from "Oppose This is a joke" to "Much better. I'd delete the final sentence of the first paragraph but otherwise I think that's acceptable. For the record, I'd still rather it wasn't in the article at all but if it has to be then I'd say this is fine." Nsign doesn't want it in the article because it makes wikipedia look WP:LAME. I don't think that is a valid opposition, and he acknowledged that elsewhere. I hope you understand I am not trying to misrepresent people to have my way. I am trying to stay as objective as possible given my position. The only fair thing to do would be to have a third party read every objection, and see if a) it still applied to the current draft, and b) if the persons opinion changed c) if it was an objection to the content, or my conduct. (PS Rob Sinden is borderline harassing me on my talk page, I asked him to stop talking to me a couple times. If it continues, where do I report that type of stuff?) Xkcdreader (talk) 11:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked through all objections in detail (this goes back further than your first request), there are still more unsolved oppositions than supports for the inclusion of the currently disputed content. I understand that you want to represent people objectively, but there are still outright objections standing. The fact that much of these objections are rooted in guideline usually makes them more weighty in the eyes of and impartial adjudicator as well, so you're running backwards on an treadmill at the moment. If you've already written a polite request for him to stop, and tried adding a request of the same type on his talk page, you can ask an impartial admin to interject; you'll find them at the relevant Administrators' noticeboard. drewmunn talk 11:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Am I still allowed to talk to you or is this unblock conditional on silence here too? Hopefully this last comment doesn't get me reblocked. I just have an actual policy question. Xkcdreader (talk) 14:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the block removal details look, you can't discuss the Star Trek article at all anywhere. Better be safe than sorry, although you could ask the admin who blocked you for clarification if you want to. drewmunn talk 14:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll risk it. It's about the bigger picture and how Wikipedia works, not Star Trek. It just sort of uses the situation as an example. I just want your thoughts and then Ill drop it. No more replies. You said to me "I already discussed the reason for the original reversion, and it came under BRD." WP:BRD is information, not policy. So it is kind of a middle ground right? It reflects consensus, but it's more of a gentlemans agreement? PER the policy WP:BURO, "A procedural error in a new contribution is not grounds for reverting it." I'm kind of stuck where information fits between policy, rule, guideline, essay etc. Logistically speaking, I had not read WP:BRD well, and made a procedural mistake when I contributed content. TECHNICALLY, I would believe, policy WP:BURO take precedent over the information page WP:BRD? Am I completely lost and misguided? In a strictly technical world, (I am thinking about this like a chess match...) shouldn't the content I submitted without any consensus in either direction be up until consensus is established to remove it. I really thought I had checkmated those guys. It kind of turned into a game in my head. So my question is, in a normal circumstance (not this one that got out of hand), WP:BURO and "procedural errors in new contributions are not grounds for reverting it" should trump WP:BRD, right? I am not even trying to win the argument anymore, I just wanted to know if I was on to something or not. Technicalities like this could be useful in the future for other people when this type of blocking stuff happens. The reason my technicality worked so well is because I kept proposing new drafts, but only submitted it to the page once AND because consensus was divided, not swinging in either direction. I feel like this could be a useful tactic/move in the future for other users who are stuck in similar situations. (If that got off topic, the crux of my question is how you rectify policy like WP:BURO and whatever WP:BRD is (I don't understand WP:BRD that well if you can't tell.) Xkcdreader (talk) 15:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BRD is generally used in most situations over the top of anything else, because it helps maintain Wikipedia core purpose. Give me half an hour or so, and I'll explain in more detail, I've just got to speak to a client... drewmunn talk 15:16, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, it felt like the instant revert was more of a violation of BRD than my BOLD movie (which had roughly half support at the end.) Would you agree every one of us was moving too fast without listening to each other? It just seems to me like we completely skipped the R stage. Here are the steps I don't remember (condensed because it looks pretty.)

Extended content

Rather than reverting, try to respond with your own BOLD edit if you can: If you disagree with an edit but can see a way to modify it rather than reverting it, do so. The other disputant may respond with yet another bold edit in an ongoing edit cycle. Avoid the revert stage for as long as possible.

Revert-wars do not help build consensus: Try to avoid reverting a revert yourself. (I was guilty of doing this, and they locked the page I think. They can undo that if they want, I wasn't going to keep going.)

I think I am really stuck on WHY inclusion needs consensus and not exclusion. If you include it, you will get more eyes (people who don't read the talk page on a regular basis) and hopefully more eyes to decide if its appropriate. The whole things seems backwards to me. What is the downside to erring on the side of slightly controversial content, instead of no content at all? How can you get unbiased eyes (random wiki passerbyers, not wiki regulars?) The process seems intentionally designed to favor the status quo and the elder users, cliques, bureaucracy, and due process over just giving up and allowing a little extra content. I think my other big conundrum is "is there a difference between no consensus and consensus against?" Because right after my bold action, the narrative on the talk page seemed to suggest I violated consensus instead of a lack of one. Is there a difference? And when we say "controversial" do we mean to a few loud voices, or to the majority of people. Of all the opposes, only a handful seemed to care that much. Xkcdreader (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back (sorry, long half hour, I know. Anyone would think I actually work or something)! Anyway, BRD is a guide informing editors how to deal with potentially controversial additions. It's designed to help keep wikipedia content within the other guidelines, whilst allow a forum for new additions. In the case of your edit, however, older precedence also had play. A similar addition was added at some point in the not-too-distant past, and it was removed under BRD. It was discussed, and no consensus reached. Therefore, there was precedent in the case of your addition for revert. It may seem like established editors being overprotective, and to a small extent, it is. However, this is because the more established editors were around for the entire discussion, and knew of the older case. As per that precedent, your edit was subject to BRD. The discussion took of on a slightly strange footing, however, because tensions were already high; inferred lack of consensus on part of your first proposal meant that your edit wasn't agreed as part of the original forum, and precedent suggested removal. You were a new editor, and we get quite a lot of trouble-makers who simply add in removed content, in some cases even if there are notes inline with the text explicitly telling them not to. Everybody had their shackles up, and the debate got out of hand fairly quickly (that's when I made myself scarce). BRD is used to protect the main article from this kind of debate, and so when you reinstated your text, it was seen by some as an example of your attitude towards due process, which just inflamed the situation further. Basically, BRD is generally accepted as a firewall; BURO is a warning. BURO doesn't really count here, because the revert wasn't made simply out of procedure. If you'd put something in that contained a slight slip in procedure (you'd added some personal info, for instance), then BURO says we should not revert it. Instead, and editor should clean out the part that broke the guideline, and leave the rest be. BURO is meant to protect content that is innocent but caught up in a guideline controversy, it's not meant to say we can't revert changes under BRD. Your content wasn't reverted because of guidelines, it was reverted to allow due process to take place in the background, rather than start an edit war. Neither BURO nor BRD trump each other as such, they both cover different eventualities, although this can be confusing to editors. We can revert edits based if they're breaking guidelines, but only if that doesn't remove any other good information added. That's how we deal with vandalism, libel, etc. If there is content added that's controversial, and due process could iron out the bugs (or precedence suggests it should not be included), then BRD allows for its removal. It's then discussed, and we can gauge how to, if any way, add it back. All of this is fairly confusing, so it's understandable that you're puzzled. In the case in hand, it's exacerbated by the tension running through the talk page, which has existed since long before you were an editor. An unfortunate situation made worse by unfortunate circumstances, I'm afraid. drewmunn talk 16:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest I am still lost. This step of BRD was completely skipped. "Rather than reverting, try to respond with your own BOLD edit if you can: If you disagree with an edit but can see a way to modify it rather than reverting it, do so." Shouldn't just the controversial lines have been removed, and not the whole addition? Shouldnt the person who initially reverted, instead have read it, and tried to fix it first? That's where I see due process failing. It was reverted as a whole, instead of first removing the most controversial parts. Buuut, this conversation has run its course, so ... cheers! For what it's worth, you seem to do a pretty good job of staying neutral and hearing both sides. Xkcdreader (talk) 16:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That fine! As far as as countering with a bold edit goes, it was glossed over because of precedence with the same subject. drewmunn talk 17:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

hrmph. That still frustrates me. A lot. It's the fact that I have to spend days learning wtf is even going on here that leads people to never come back. WP:BITE should be enforced with serious spankings or something as punishment for violations. (As a note to anyone with power who ever reads this, policy should encourage users to be rash to include content, and careful to remove it.) [Also, if you wouldn't mind adding a disclaimer to your line "It's more that it was decided not to include it yesterday, and that was a compromise", saying that isn't really true or misleading or something, I'd feel a lot better when one of the top comments didn't misrepresent the situation completely. That would be your call if something like that is appropriate, I still don't understand talk pages that well.] Chiao!!Xkcdreader (talk) 17:19, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that more could be done to make joining a smoother transition; however, I don't know what's involved nowadays. In my day, I created an account, and that was that. It was hacked (no, correction, I left it logged in on a public machine), and I didn't know what to do. Someone undid the edits, but I never knew how to apologise or anything. Anyway, I read quite a bit, and got involved with a range of projects, and learned the hard way; I sat through many thousands of words worth of discussions, and finally got to grips with the system enough to be bold. Anyway, I know the teahouse exists nowadays, and it's apparently quite useful, so that might be worth a try. Other than that, it's pretty hard to know where to start. drewmunn talk 17:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the offer but I'll have to respectfully pass. Once was enough. I'll let my legacy be a stupid amount of archive, and five (hopefully ten) sentence ownership of the title section of that movie I shouldn't mention. Xkcdreader (talk) 17:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, feel free to come back in the future (new account if you feel that's necessary), and set to work with some different contributions! As far as disclaimer, I'll read through again. However, I'm not promising anything, as I do believe is was somewhat against consensus; no consensus was inferred. That will not matter in the future though, as consensus changes, so any future discussions outside of the immediate time frame will start from scratch (besides precedent, but that's a whole other matter, and my adding a disclaimer won't change anything). drewmunn talk 17:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't do a very good job of describing my problems with this place. First is the software. It is great for articles, and terrible for communication. If wikipedia were to adopt a reddit style messageboard for talk pages, I would consider it. Users need to be able to collapse and expand threads at will, within their browser without refreshing the page. You need to be able to edit messages without refreshing the page. Real time previews? The community needs to be able to downvote/report the annoying people to the bottom. Second is the top down bureaucracy. The dispute channels are immense. Fuck that, binding decisions? No thanks. I would much prefer to participate at wikia, where if I don't like a group I can start my own competing team (again, similar to reddit and subreddits.) http://en.wikipedia.org/org/xkcdreader/Star_Trek_Into_Darkness. If wikipedia was more like git, and I could fork an article and start my own competing encyclopedia I would be happy. Have a master database, and diff each teams articles to save on storage. Factions and governments would form on their own, and each team could run their encyclopedia their own way. My biggest issue is with democracy. Democracy gives equal voice to very different qualities of argument. It leads to rhetoric and campaigning, lying and cheating. If the voting population is stupid, the consensus becomes stupid. Again, I want to be able to break away and do my own thing, with my own team of editors. So, give me a call if Wikipedia turns into git+reddit+wikia and allows me to fork my own governing body the way I want, with the team I want of like-minded editors. It is the same argument against government and for privatization. The presence of opponents forces the factions to COMPETE, and focus on their product and not stale behind the scenes arguments. If your wikiteam was falling into second place, you would work harder to improve the content. A single monolithic government will inevitably stagnate and collapse under its own weight. Maybe someday in the far future, somebody will stumble upon this and get rich. They should give me credit, and maybe some stock. Even if I stayed here, I would get sucked into one of these dumb things every couple years, and it's not worth the stress. I would rather just go start my own wikia or subreddit and not deal with crap and red tape. Any site that makes adding five fairly well constructed sentences to its article this hard and lengthily, needs to sort out its own daemons before it starts attracting new users. (And develop a modern communication system like reddit, with threads. It's 2013.) As it stands there are just too many hands in the proverbial honey pot. Mediocrity prevails because it is safe and non-controversial. I just find it to be a compromised product that is more about ego than making the world a better place. And that is why I don't bother contributing, except to copyedit bad sentences. If a FRACTION of the time we spent debating this was put into including it and editing it down, this would have been done days ago. That is how it works here, in theory, but definitely not in practice.Xkcdreader (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I'm in a state of delirium currently, and the only thing I got out of the above was the word 'honey'. I'm really hungry... drewmunn talk 18:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

tldr: software sucks for communication, community uses it backwards. Put the contribution in first, whittle it down over the course of weeks. "There is no rush" should apply to removal and copyediting not including. Pages should not be treated as final drafts of documents. Everything is backwards. Xkcdreader (talk) 18:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Although the software isn't perfect, I'd have to disagree with your surmise that it doesn't work the right way. It's not geared towards long and arduous talking, agreed, but it's not designed for that. As far as the speed of editing, I think copyediting should be faster; it only takes 1 spelling mistake on a page to lose a massive audience. Keeping content encyclopaedic is the primary reason (beside vandal-hunting) for reverting, and many more pages would appear cluttered or rambling without swift copyediting, and long-term decisionmaking afterwards. drewmunn talk 18:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had a brainstorm and synthesized what I am getting at through all these semi-rhetorical questions. Thanks for letting me ramble on your page. My REAL question is, "is Wikipedia more concerned with keeping its ruling class happy and settling for the least controversial decisions possible, as oppose to putting out the best possible product and hurting a few feelings along the way?" Because if that is true, I don't understand why people even bother. (I noticed the first conversation on your talk page is a person with the same sentiment.) If this is true it hurts me inside. Finding out Wikipedia cares more about its stewards and their feelings than its product is like finding out Santa Clause isn't real. Xkcdreader (talk) 15:46, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine! Now just to work on getting that edit count down... The first conversation is fairly similar, in fact! The other editor was getting reverted, but then wanted some fairly good changes instated, so he had a debate on the Skyfall talk. People took badly to his editing technique, and the situation escalated. He took some time out of the discussion at my suggestion, and we had the matter resolved (with his suggested changes instated) in a matter of days. Procedure can get caught up sometimes. drewmunn talk 16:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving

Drew, I wanted to let you know you can set up automatic archiving. You can insert code at the top of your talk page. For example, this is my code:

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You can change "algo" to archive after 7 days or however long you want. I recommend sticking with a basic counter (Archive 1, Archive 2, etc.) to make it easier for the bot. Let me know if you have any questions! Erik (talk | contribs) 17:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, I might get around to it sometime. At the moment, I like to keep stuff there longer than others, is there a way of forcing Mizabot (or any other similar bots) to exclude some sections? drewmunn talk 17:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See User:MiszaBot/config, perhaps the "Delaying or preventing archiving of particular threads" section is what you want. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! I shall instate shortly... drewmunn talk 18:16, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Cheers for that, I tried to make sure I didn't delete any, but I obviously missed some. Please forgive me, there were quite a lot to look through. :-) drewmunn talk 09:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Dewy60

Although his edit is unsourced, and has been reverted (not by me) it is not vandalism, just incompetence. I am watching him. Please also continue to do so, because I am just now going to bed! --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 21:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Many thanks for the barnstar and for the withdrawal. My best, Cavarrone (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, I didn't see how the article could be improved, but you proved me wrong! It's always good to see an article grow instead of die. drewmunn talk 18:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you!

But no apology necessary. With all the variants on that title, including the episode title itself, it's an easy mistake to make. However, I do plan to enjoy the cookie with a cup of tea! --Drmargi (talk) 16:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome.

The official name for Mac OS X v. 10.7 is OS X. if you don't believe, ask Apple. And, in the article A/UX, why it have Netscape(third party software) and you do not delete it and find a plain screenshot? Applist (talk) 13:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there was a long discussion on this when the change was made for Mountain Lion, and Lion was officially called Mac OS X. This data was gathered from within the software; Lion self-referenced as Mac OS X, and ML as OS X. See here for evidence of this. They phased removal of "Mac" in Lion's marketing to ready for ML, but it was still officially "Mac OS X". Regards the A/UX article, because I don't look at the contents of every article on Wikipedia, I hadn't seen that. I can't personally produce a replacement shot, but one would be preferable. It's likely that no other screenshot is available, because it's so old, but someone might have one. It's acceptable at the moment because no better alternative exists. drewmunn talk 13:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I see in "About This Mac" in OS X 10.7.4, it identifies itself as Mac OS X! However, why you put this section below?Applist (talk) 13:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's how talk pages work, you put new sections at the bottom. To create a new section quickly, you can hit the "New Section" or "+" option on the options bar, near the "Edit" option. It makes it easier to follow chronology within pages; sections are in chronological (oldest to newest) order, and content in sections is also oldest to newest (vaguely, there are some exceptions where you are replying to an earlier comment). Does that help? drewmunn talk 13:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

why you identify yourself as drewmunn?Applist (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because that's my name. However, when I created this account back in the dark ages, all my usernames were the same (easier to remember), so Sonicdrewdriver was the one I chose. Since then, I decided to swap my ID over to what I generally now use, drewmunn, as it's a bit cleaner. However, I've kept the same account for ease of use at my end. drewmunn talk 13:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Thanks for telling me the explanation for the recent edit and I apologize for the misunderstanding our users have asked us why we weren't represented Wikipedia and I guess I did the wrong thing. One question is would our current user base be able to add the external link to the page? Thanks Zenpush (talk) 17:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is a blurred line now, unfortunately. You cannot encourage them to add the link, as they'd be doing so for you. If someone was, completely of their own accord and without any prior discussion with you, to add the link, then it would most likely remain in place. However, if you are to mention it to them, then you'd be running the risk of the link becoming 'blacklisted'; editors would be more likely to delete the link citing COI. For you, the best idea would be to leave it, and we'll see if someone decides to add the link of their own accord. Note that any additions in the next few days will most likely be scrutinised, checking that editors are in no way related to your product. As such, it's best to ensure nobody involved uses their personal account adds the link either. Any more questions, feel free to ask! drewmunn talk 17:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tasm

You might want to sign you're name on the discussion page. ;) Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 23:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for pointing that out; I have no idea how it happened, or how I missed it. drewmunn talk 08:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quick word about 'Skyfall'

Hi, just quickly saying thanks for the patience you showed to my stubborn attempt at changing the Skyfall page. Eventually I figured out you can click on 'talk' next to an edit, and found to my surprise, clear and reasonable reasons they were being reverted. Thanks also for labeling the attempts as 'good faith'. I'll get to know the guidelines a little better. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.72.87 (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. Do you mind me asking which edits I reverted (just out of curiosity)? drewmunn talk 16:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific Rim

Hello, there is currently a discussion in place re the title of "Pacfic Rim" on the Article Talk Page, that if you could swing by and provide some input that would be great. MisterShiney ✉ 12:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia

It's okay, I won't war with you over the talk page section name. Technically, your edit summary could apply either way, you know. It's equally as biased now as it was after I italicized it, only the other way. The discussion is about italicizing "Wikipedia" in its article. That's the only reason I italicized it, because that's what the discussion is supposed to be all about. Best to you and yours! – PAINE ELLSWORTH ^CLIMAX! 18:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that. I prefer it plaintext, because that's shows no effort has been made to conform to a specific way; plaintext is just what happens when you type. Anyway, each to their own, and all that. :-) drewmunn talk 18:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Skybliei

Undid edits

Hi why did you undid my edit on ITunes version history Skybliei (talk) 16:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in the edit summary, your changes made the contents box massively long, making navigation beyond difficult. I understand why you felt it would be good, but your changes caused issues with the readability and accessibility of the article. drewmunn talk 16:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok but could we split it into version simpler to IOS version history which makes it easer to navigate and easer to edit it Skybliei (talk) 16:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, that'd be much nicer. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way. If you need anything, just ask. drewmunn talk 16:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok thankyou I will go into my sandbox and develop the cleaner look Skybliei (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. drewmunn talk 16:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Skybliei/sandbox

Hi could you check User:Skybliei/sandbox because I have develop a cleaner look for ITunes version history and please edit it if you think it needs Improvement Skybliei (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, it's nearly perfect. I'll remove the top section, and change the TOC limit from 2 to 3. If you do the same in the main article, and substitute in your new list, then I see no reason it should be reverted. The only issue I currently have is that I don't think the TOCs need to be right rather than left-aligned. It makes them slightly unaccessible. drewmunn talk 17:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok so should I set the TOC to left and put the limit to 3 Skybliei (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and then it'll be good to go. drewmunn talk 17:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks Skybliei (talk) 17:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, look forward to seeing your changes in place. drewmunn talk 17:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks I have inputted it into iTunes version history and looks good thanks Skybliei (talk) 17:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, expect a barnstar in a sec... drewmunn talk 17:44, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks Skybliei (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

would you like me to collapsed all the iTunes software from 1 to 10 so it is easer to find the latest software or would like it as it is expanded Skybliei (talk) 17:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's up to you, I personally think collapsing might improve the flow. drewmunn talk 17:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok I collapse it Skybliei (talk) 17:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Skybliei The Original Barnstar

Thanks for the The Original Barnstar Skybliei (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HPD

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I am updating the full info I am updating the full info Please wait

Himanis — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 11:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I have written, if you are updating, then please do so using the current setup, as this is more editable, and much easier to maintain. A PNG requires a new version every time it's changed, rather than an in-browser edit. drewmunn talk 11:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You see Bro

Dear bro,

I am quite new to Wikipedia (i have joined only 3-4 months before). I am a Indian citizen living in Bhubaneswar, Orissa, India. I am a school going kid reading in class 10th in B.J.E.M School which is in Bhubaneswar, Orissa, India. I don't know much English, My mother-tongue is Oriya.

I would be very happy if you get me know more details on image copyrighting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 11:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it's not copyright that's the issue, it's the fact that the data seems incorrect, and the addition contradictory of other information on the page. User:Codename Lisa has invited you to give her the source information, so she can sort it out. I'll copy over the conversation here to your talk page, so it's collated. drewmunn talk 11:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly Pay Attention

Have i did something wrong ???? Is is bad to post personal information in Wikipedia ??? Tell me HPD (talk) 11:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes, you shouldn't post personal information on Wikipedia. Don't worry, I've notified the administration, and they will deal with its secure removal. In the meantime, I suggest you take down the image in question from the pages it is currently on, until issues with it are fixed. This way, everything can be done amicably, and the articles won't be confusing. drewmunn talk 12:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can i contact you ???

Hey, i have lot of things to know from you..

Can i contact you in sources other than Wikipedia ???

If yes, by which source ?? HPD (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We try to keep it so things started on Wikipedia stay on Wikipedia. I can't give you any personal contact info, unfortunately. However, I can try to answer any questions you might have. drewmunn talk 12:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its Urgent, Kindly See

I have saw in my file that someone by the name of "ImageHackingBot" edited it.

He added

.Who created this image? .Who holds the copyright to this image? .Where did this image come from? Unless this information is added to this page, the image will be deleted one week after 12 April 2013. Remove this tag when you provide the information. Administrators: delete this file.

What should i do now ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 12:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You should provide the information requested. Any file you upload must be fully tagged, so we know we're not breaking any laws. If you don't know where an image originated from, then you shouldn't upload it. If the image belongs to somebody else, and they haven't explicitly put it into the public domain, then you shouldn't upload it unless it falls under the fair use guidelines. drewmunn talk 12:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More information.. Just see

Actually the owner of the image is i, will i add "Own work, multi-license with CC-BY-SA-3.0 and GFDL" or "Own work, multi-license with CC-BY-SA-3.0 and older" or "Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0" ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 12:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You need to choose the best one for what you want to provide people with. It's completely up to you what license you use, but I personally prefer the Creative Commons Share Alike 3.0 + GFDL option. drewmunn talk 12:34, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Still having problems... pls hlp

I have decided that i will do what you will say but i found "Creative Commons Share Alike 3.0 + GFDL option" is not there what i should assign in File:Usage_Share_of_OS_in_2013.png edit page ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 12:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The system for initially adding it is built into the upload function. Take a look at Template:Cc-by-3.0 for information on adding the template for the 3.0 licence after upload. Regarding that image, would you possibly remove it from the pages you've put it on for now? Also, could you tell me where you got the information you are using for your numbers for the chart, as they are radically different to the numbers Wikipedia published as the last month's usage statistics. Also, remember to sign your posts on talk pages. drewmunn talk 12:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you Online or Offline now ???

Do you know the file which i uploaded was deleted. Sorry i could not contact you as my friend "kishen kumar sahoo" came to my house, Yes what you are asking for ???? HPD (talk) 13:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No I didn't. You labelled it as having copyrighted content, but didn't disclaim it, so it failed a review. The file itself wasn't needed, as we've got a bar chart system built in that was already being used on the Usage page, and that doesn't have licensing issues. I work during the day, so I can't always reply instantly to messages left here. drewmunn talk 14:06, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where r u gone ???

Please reply to my above message. HPD (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will i upload it again ???

You see, this image has all the information as the survey was held in 2013. Look, in 2012 the usage of Windows 8 3.17 (as it was mentioned in the chart) but in my file the chart shows that in 2013 the usage was increased and is now having the same percentage of usage as compared to Windows vista.

Now you tell what should be done ???

Reply quickly HPD (talk) 14:29, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The data on Usage page is correct as of March 2013, and this is backed up by a reliable source that is cited. Can you give me the URL for the survey you are getting your data from? drewmunn talk 14:33, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Site From Which I Got The Information

Hi,

I cannot contact you in middle as i had gone to attend my tuition classes, yes u asked me where from i got the information and also requested to send the link....

I got the information from a popular site "Softpedia", do u know that softpedia has high reputation across the world, and you can also download various kinds of software and read news headlines.

The link is - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-8-Gains-More-Users-as-Windows-8-1-Launch-Nears-343784.shtml

Reply meHPD (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason I see to be using that image, then, as it was created by another entity, and we can create something that is much more accurate and easy to update. I'll copy this over to the discussion on your talk page. And yes, I was aware of Softpedia. drewmunn talk 18:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will we update the chart

I hope you visited the site "Softpedia" and you have noticed that Windows 8 usage have been increased due to a update "Windows 8.1 (Blue)" which is arriving late this year. Will we update the chart in the article Usage share of operating systems and make the usage of Windows 8 from 3.17 to 4.57 ???

Another question, Which os you are using ?? I am using Windows 7 Home Premium on my HP G62-455TX model laptop.

Reply soon HPD (talk) 06:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The source we currently use for our chart has not yet registered the change, but when it does, it will be included. As far as OS, my main choice is OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion on my 15.4" 2012 MacBook Pro and my 21.5" 2009 iMac. I've also got Windows 8 Pro installed on my MacBook, which I use for clients who want Windows applications, iOS 6.1.3 on my iPad, and a testbed machine with Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows 7 Home Premium, and Ubuntu 12.0. drewmunn talk 07:09, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why English ??

Hi, I have recently visited the "French Wikipedia" i.e fr.wikipedia.org and "Fiji Hindi Wikipedia" i.e hfj.wikipedia.org. There i saw that most of the articles are incomplete i.e in french wiki an article named 2014 ICC World Twenty20 is totally incomplete and looks rubbish as compared to the English Wikipedia which is fully developed and maintained with a picture . Also in "Fiji Hindi Wikipedia" i searched for that article but i didn't find it (i think it does not exit).

Who will look after this ? I can't edit because i don't know french or fiji hindi.

Not every people know english like us. How will wikipedia be usefull to French people if they have to collect information on the article like that ???

People only focus on English Wikipedia but no one has thought of editing pages of wiki in other languages.

Please comment HPD (talk) 12:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

People who speak other languages edit articles in their chosen tongue. English Wikipedia is the most developed of all of the Wikipedia variants because it's had the most input. It was the first variant, and it's been the fastest to grow. It actually follows the language distribution pattern fairly well; English is the second most popular language in the world, with only Mandarin surpassing it. Natives living in China don't have anywhere near the access to the internet as the rest of the world, so they can't develop their variant as fast as anyone else. It's also possible that an article in the English Wikipedia is named something completely different in another language's variant. For instance, the British program Spooks is broadcast in most other countries as MI-5, or similar. As such, a French or German page on the matter will not simply be named barbouzes or Gespenster. You can't necessarily work out what that article will be called without knowing how it relates to culture in the language of the Wikipedia. However, the fact remains that the largest language variant used on Wikipedia is English (16.76%):

drewmunn talk 12:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One thing i can't understand

Heyyy You told that Chinese people do not have proper access to the internet, but do u know when i was in class 8th i used to have a fact book which contains all facts about different countries and many more. Hence in the book it was written that "Chinese people use more internet as compared to any other countries in the world"... Anywayzz it may be..

I feel happy that you have uploaded the above pie chart, and you said that English Wikipedia has more no. of reputation. But i saw in the chart that the more reputed is "Indo-European", how could it be ???

Again what is Indo-European ?? Are these languages originated from India ???

Plzz tell, i would be very proud.... :-)

Coz i am Indian.... HPD (talk) 13:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, a lot of Chinese people have access to the internet, but it is heavily censored. I read an article a few days ago that suggested around 30% of the web was blocked in China. There's a Wikipedia article on it, in fact: Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China. Secondly, the Pie Chart shows languages by family, not by single language. The only language shown on there individually is English, as the chart was designed for the English Wikipedia page. The Indo-European language family includes English, Spanish, German, Russian, Hindi, and many more. That 'slice' of the pie chart is the total pages in all Indo-European languages (except English) put together. drewmunn talk 13:09, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can we become more than editors ???

Heyy As i told you that i am an editor since November 2012, i am sure that i have edited wiki articles over more than 900 times, i created many articles, also uploaded many images for the articles to be more informative. I also think that you also have done the same.

Don't u think we could be more than editors ??? As we have done so much in wiki, we can become Administrators...

How was that idea ?? HPD (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think we've both got quite a way to go before then! You've made a total of 278 edits to Wikipedia, 125 of which have been to articles. I've made 1,671 edits (772 to articles), so we're neither of us really major editors. Similarly, you've created 4 articles, I've created 6, so we're not major new contributors either. Most administrators have edit counts into the tens or hundreds of thousands, or the millions. We both need to work up, improve our community standing, and become involved in a lot more before we can be administrators. It's a nice thought, though! drewmunn talk 15:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How can i do like u ???

I saw that you are having a beautiful signature i.e "dremunn|talk" written in a bracket with black borders and inside it is filled with blue I want do like you Can i make ??? HPD (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly! You can change your signature from your Preferences page. I made mine using a couple of spans, and altered their CSS. This takes some knowledge of HTML/CSS, but it's fairly basic. drewmunn talk 15:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the right place

Heyy, Now i am in Preferences page, and in Signature column... I want to write like you.. What will i write there ?? please write here HPD (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to choose how you want it to appear, and write the full code in there. Anything you write there will come out in your signature, just as the contents of the box on my preferences page comes out as my signature. drewmunn talk 15:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not suggested you ever copy someone else's signature, as then it's difficult to differentiate between multiple users. You'll need to write your own code that makes yours look unique. drewmunn talk 15:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't understand

Can you make one for me, i cant understand what to write in the signature, i am poor in HTML. HPD (talk) 15:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put a couple of options together... drewmunn talk

Have u ???

Have u designed my signature ??? HPD (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a chance! I've put a couple of mockups here. Choose your favourite of the 2, and copy the code underneath it into the box on the preferences page. drewmunn talk 16:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

choosed

Hey i have choosed the best one for me.

Thank you :-) :-)

How it looks to you ???

HPD talk 16:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Online or Offline ??

Now you r o9 or off9 ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 16:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Still on, but it seemed there was an error in transcription by the Wiki software/HTML. Copy in

<span style="border:1px solid #8D8; border-radius:99px;">&nbsp;[[User:HPD|HPD]]&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;<span style="border:1px solid #8D8; background-color:#8D8; border-radius:99px">&nbsp;[[User talk:HPD|talk]]&nbsp;</span>

to the box in preferences, and it'll be fixed. drewmunn talk 16:38, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can i know

Can u tell me how much time u spend in wiki ???

I spend 3-4 hours,

I think u belong to North America or South America bcoz u told in previous discussions that it is daytime now, i am working and i cant message instantly.

As i told u i belong to India and now it is night and the time is 10:19 P.M

HPD talk 16:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's better! I'm in the UK actually, but close. I've just finished working; it's coming up to 6pm now. drewmunn talk 16:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sign up in FACEBOOK

Hi u must be in FACEBOOK are u ?? HPD talk 17:01, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm on Facebook, but I have a fairly private network because of my job. drewmunn talk 17:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okk SEND ME A FRIEND REQUEST

It's OK u must send me a friend request, follow the steps : 1. Type "Himanis Pinnu Das" in the search box (which is present in the top). 2. In the Profile Picture u will see few school boys (wearing white shirts and navy paints) cheering happily, raising their hands and resting between few plants. In front there are 3 students; 1 wearing spectacles raising his hand, 2nd one is me also raising hand, 3rd one is a fat student wearing spectacles and also cheering. 3. Get into my profile. 4. Click on "Add Friend"

OK ?? HPD talk 17:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said above, I keep tight control of who I have on Facebook, as I use it for my job, so unfortunately, I won't be able to add you. Sorry! drewmunn talk 18:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will we change our OS ??

You c, as i told u earlier i am having a HP G62-455TX model laptop which has 1 GB of RAM, 1 GB of Graphics (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6370), 300 GB of Hard Disc, Intel Core I3 processor (2nd gen.). Also i told you that i am running Windows 7 Home Premium currently.

Do u know i could not resist any latest Windows OS that came to the market, i tried all Windows os in my laptop starting from Windows XP to Windows 8. I changed my Windows 8 to Windows 7 badly because i don't have much RAM.

But now do u know Microsoft is planning to launch "Windows 8.1 (Blue)" late in month of Aug. because Windows 8 has failed to appreciate people.

Hence the Milestone (Beta) of "Windows 8.1" has been leaked on the internet secretly by a Microsoft employee. Refer to this site - http://winaero.com/blog/windows-blue-version-6-3-9364-has-leaked-on-the-internet/

So, my point is that will we upgrade our current OS to that Windows Blue ???

Reply me HPD talk 07:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I get developer previews of new OS releases, and then purchase the retail versions when they become available if the update is necessary. If Windows Blue brings new features that I cannot access through programming in Windows 8, I will upgrade so I can offer the best service to clients. drewmunn talk 10:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the changes...

You told that you will upgrade to Windows Blue i.e "Windows 8.1" if it offer more features than Windows 8 and you could do more programming with it.

Go to - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8#Windows_8.1_.22Blue.22_update

Or look here, these are the changes :

Additional touch gestures such as swipe up on start screen for access to all apps
More size options for tiles (such as a new small size, and an extra-large size exclusive to the Desktop's tile)
Expanded color options on the Start screen (which now allows users to choose a color and a shade instead of choosing from limited colors)
The ability to sync more settings between devices (including Start screen settings and Bluetooth keyboard/mouse configuration)
Expansion of PC Settings to include more options that were previously exclusive to the Control Panel
New snapping modes (including a 50/50 split and the ability to use more than 2 snapped apps at once)
Ability to take screenshots from the Share charm
"Play" option in the Devices charm (for playing content to another device)
Additional stock apps (such as a calculator, alarm clock, sound recorder, the video editing app "Movie Moments", and an incomplete file manager)
Increased SkyDrive integration (including automatic device backups)
An early version of Internet Explorer 11 (with an updated engine that identifies itself as being "like Gecko" in its user agent, and an incomplete tab syncing function)
SPDY support added to Internet Explorer 11 via the Windows Internet API so other desktop apps can benefit from the SPDY protocol support.

HPD talk 11:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about that sort of thing on paper; I already know all of that. It's about concurrent software and framework releases, along with backwards compatibility and exploitable features that allow me to develop applications I couldn't have in my current OS. Developers need to know a lot more about the underlying changes in an OS and its support infrastructure than normal users. That's partially what the developer preview is for; once these fundamental changes are in place, we're given a copy to test, and make sure our products work well and correctly in the new environment. drewmunn talk 11:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WILL I ???

Will i change my Windows 7 Home Premium to that Windows Blue ??? What is your suggestion ??? HPD talk 11:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know, it's completely up to you. I personally don't like the start screen and disjointed workflow it creates, but that's personal taste. drewmunn talk 14:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is that deletion ???

Yesterday, sharply at 3:30 PM (IST) when i was messaging to u, during leisure time i have uploaded a file i.e, File:Windows 8.1 Build 9374 screenshot with proof of the installation setup and original signature.png, today i found that it has been listed in Wikipedia:Files for deletion by a user C.Fred.

What do u mean by deletion ???

U PLEASE CHECK THE IMAGE AND MAKE CHANGES.

The image is used in the article Windows 8.

HPD talk 05:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion going on about the fact that the image may break our guidelines; as it's not commercially available, then we may possibly have to delete it. There's nothing I can do to resolve this, it's the subject of the image that's the problem. drewmunn talk 06:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can i remove from deletion ???

You said that u can't do anything n' u r discussing on that image.

Will i remove that file from deletion ??

O r u will remove it ??

HPD talk 06:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on the outcome of the discussion, an administrator may choose to keep or delete the file. All you can do is add your views to the discussion, no action either way can be taken by you at this time. drewmunn talk 06:39, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have u ???

Have u seen that image ??? What is your suggestion ??? Plz say.... I will change the current image by uploading another image... Or you can change if u like.. HPD talk 09:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am personally doubtful that it adds anything to the article, so I'm not sure it passes the non-free media guidelines. To all intents and purposes, it's similar enough to the 8 desktop not to require an image at this time. drewmunn talk 10:09, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Update that image by uploading a new one HPD talk 10:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Updating it won't change the fact that there's nothing of visual interest that can relay more than the text at the moment. Anyway, I do not have a copy of Windows Blue, as it has not yet been made available to developers. drewmunn talk 10:28, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK now listen

Its OK.... Let other users decide weather to keep or to delete the image. OK, now i want to use my uploaded file, File:2014iccworldt20.png, in French, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch Wikipedia. But i don't know any language of them what should i do now ?? Can u see the file and give me description of that image in each of the languages mentioned above ?? Or what should i do ??? HPD talk 10:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, it's not really low resolution currently. Upload a new version with a maximum width of something like 300px, not 777px. Then, you need to log into each language Wikipedia, and insert the image reference where you want to put it. This, however, is not necessarily the best plan if you don't know the languages; leave it to editors of the other Wikipedias to do it themselves, that way, we're all assured that it'll be correct. drewmunn talk 10:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Wikipedia by Language.svg

It should be Indo-European, not "Indio-European". Also, can it be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? πr² (t • c) 17:45, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that, didn't notice! When I'm at a machine with Illustrator (tomorrow, hopefully), I'll make the change and put it the updated version in the Commons. drewmunn talk 17:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done now! drewmunn talk 16:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Change ???

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} What change ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.218.64.183 (talk) 14:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, you're going to have to give me a bit more of a clue than that. What is this in reference to? drewmunn talk 14:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the above

I am talking about the above change... What do u did ??? HPD talk 14:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm still unsure. Is this about the chart typo? drewmunn talk 15:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

YES YES HPD talk 15:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, I made a typo on the chart SVG, and I'm updating it at the moment, because I needed to be on my machine that runs Illustrator. drewmunn talk 16:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

gone off9 ??

HPD talk 14:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was on and off, back now! drewmunn talk 16:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do u know Can u speak Hindi or any other languages ??? HPD talk 16:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, I can do a bit of basic French and German, and a hint of japanese, but that's all. drewmunn talk 16:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can i know ?

Can i know how much time u spend on Wikipedia, i spend only 2-3 hours and sometimes i become o9 to send message to u. And sorry i couldn't be o9 yesterday becoz my internet balance has finished. HPD talk 15:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm usually on between 0645ish and 0815ish on weekdays (except Fridays), then whenever my code is compiling, debugging, or uploading during the day. I'm also generally on if I'm waiting for a render to complete, or if I'm running a bot simulation. So, it completely depends on what my work involves in any one day. drewmunn talk 06:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'Plz Rply

Hi, i know u for a while now, u know me better than i know u, MY FIRST QUESTION IS THAT ARE U A BOY OR A GIRL ??, 2ND QUESTION - IS UR NAME "DREWMOON" OR "SONICDREWDRIVER" OR ELSE WHAT ??? DON'T FORGET TO ANSWER...

OK i found that you have commented a long paragraph on my uploaded file i.e, File:Windows 8.1 Build 9374 screenshot with proof of the installation setup and original signature.png, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING WHY U DID SO.. AND EVEN I CAN'T READ ALL THOSE..

4TH QUESTION - ARE U SERIOUSLY TYPING THOSE COMMENTS ??? OH MY GOD, I WOULD HAVE BECOME MAD IF SOMEONE GIVES ME A PLENTY TO WRITE AS COMMENT. REPLY MUST HPD talk 17:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm male, and my name alternates between Sonicdrewdriver and drewmunn. Originally, I created the account as Sonicdrewdriver, but I collated them all over as I evolved from the young, free single individual I was when this account was born. Now, my account is still called Sonicdrewdriver, because I get to keep all the history and work I've put in over the years, but I go by drewmunn. The comment on the Files for deletion page references another discussion that's happening elsewhere that's aimed at changing Wikipedia policy. It's the technical stuff that goes into making the guidelines that we have on Wikipedia. And yes, I'm typing all my comments. I'm quite a quick typer, and used to typing large amounts at once; on a good day, I'll write between 5 and 10 pages of code. I'm also used to writing loads to back up my opinions, because I've got a background politics, and part of my job is marketing. drewmunn talk 18:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it ur name ??

U have told that u have an alternate name from these two names "Sonicdrewdriver" and "drewmoon"... I HOPE UR NAME IS "DREW DRISOMOON" AM I CORRECT ??? HAHAHAAAHHHAA 07:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sonicdrewdriver is a play on the term "Sonic screwdriver", and drewmunn is a contraction of my actual name, but no, my name isn't Drew Drisomoon. drewmunn talk 07:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sonicdrewdriver

Im not trying to be rude but I just want to know what is your problem with me? I don't even know you, and you keep deleting my edits and threatening that you are going to report my edits so I can not review. There was nothing wrong with them, they were all correct and they had no errors. Bryce richey (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I have no problem with you, but the edits you have been making are unconstructive. I have passed the image you've uploaded on to the Commons community, so they can decide how to deal with it. Do you understand what you did wrong when licensing it? Your structural changes to the iTunes article removed carefully designed layout systems in favour of low-level headings. This is not how Wikipedia pages should be laid out; the different number of = symbols defines the different heading levels, with 2 being the highest in-article heading. You lowered all the headings to the same level, so subheadings were given the same status as section headings, which were all too low. Finally, your changes to the text of the article weren't suitable for an encyclopaedia. The Angry Birds example wasn't necessary, and the section you added about the MiniPlayer was written in the style of an advert. We keep the content of articles comprehensive and subjective, rather than writing in the form of a manual or advertisement. I am not being prejudice against you, but the edits you've been making would have been reverted by another contributor if I hadn't. Please feel free to ask if anything about this confuses you. Also, new sections are meant to be put at the bottom of a talk page, and you can do this quickly by hitting the button at the top near the edit option. When you've finished your message, sign it with 4 tildes (~~~~). Thanks! drewmunn talk 07:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, sorry I just made a Wikipedia account (not with a school) and still trying to know the basics. I do not understand why you cant have the mini player on the page though. I understand about the Angry bird example, I was just trying to make a picture in your head if someone was reading it. last thing though what are the tildes for? Bryce richey (talk) 07:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was also wounding if I fix the mini player I could put it back in the page (at the bottom :) Bryce richey (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The tildes sign your name, so we know who's written what in a talk page. It produces a link to your user page, your talk page, and the time. You can also add colons at the beginning of your talk page comment to reply to one above. You'll notice this comment starts with one colon, because I'm replying to your's, which has no colons. To reply to this, you'd put 2 colons at the beginning of your next comment. Regarding the Angry Birds, it's quite tempting isn't it? However, we're not meant to provide instructions on how to use something, more report its existence. The MiniPlayer section could be added back in, if you wrote it to sound a little more encyclopaedic. The one you inserted originally is taken straight from Apple's release information, isn't it? That's not allowed, as it's plagiarism, but if you wrote a small section about it, then I'm sure it could fit in somewhere. It might fit as a subsection of Media Management, and it's already mentioned in the history section (in a minor capacity). Try rewriting it in your sandbox, and then ask me to take a look at it. I'll look over it, and then you can add it in if it's good to go! drewmunn talk 07:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What that man done ???

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Hi, i found that an user named Bryce richey has misbehaved u. According to him u r deleting all his edits.

WHAT ARE U DELETING ??, MAY I KNOW WHATS GOING ON.. HPD talk 10:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the discussion above, you'll see what's happening. He's new here, and I've been helping him get to grips with editing. drewmunn talk 10:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, what do u mean by WikiProject ?? I heard many members r working in it, what r they doing ??? HPD talk 14:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A WikiProject is a taskforce set up to look after certain articles. For instance, I'm a member of WikiProject Film, and WikiProject iOS, so I help oversee film and iOS articles respectively. We keep things in check, and make sure certain elements are in line across the whole of Wikipedia. For instance, if an article doesn't follow the same layout as the majority of other articles in our project, we'd look to restructure it so it fitted. drewmunn talk 14:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CAN I

Can i join WikiProject ??? Suggest me or Register my name in any article. HPD talk 14:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have to find a WikiProject you want to be involved in. There is a list available of all the WikiProjects here. Once you've found one, you follow their instructions to join. drewmunn talk 16:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do u know

Toady my elder brother have came to my house, he is a student in Utkal University. Then sharply at 2:30 pm (IST) we watched films, after that i opened and signed into my Wkipedia acount and i told about u. Do u know by doing some programming in his laptop, he told me that "jaante ho tumhara Wikipedia patner abhi London, England me he, aaur abhi wahan 10:00am hua he" (IN ENGLISH: Do u know, ur Wikipedia partner is currently in London, England and the time in that place is 10:00am) is he right ? i have asked him how u came to know ? he said me that "pehele tum apna studies khatam karo, phir jab tum mere age pe aaoge to main tumhe sikha dunga" (IN ENGLISH: First u complete ur studies, then i will teach when u will come to my age)... Now can u tell me what he did ?? I am eager to know.. HPD talk 16:49, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are multiple possible ways to find that sort of data. As it happens, I'm not in London, but about 55 miles south of it. One of the most accurate methods is running an IP trace. For instance, I can run an IP trace on your IP, and it returns a location of Kolkata, India, and lists your ISP as Aircel Ltd. My IP address moves around the UK constantly, so it's never accurate in returning my location. drewmunn talk 16:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Yeah

U r absolutely correct my ISP is Aircel Ltd. (Wikipedia article: Aircel) it is a mobile network service provider in India. I use it to surf the internet. But i am not in Kolkata, India, i am 614.8 km before from that i am in Bhubaneswar, India. Have u visited India ?? Would u like to come to India to meet me ?? I will tell u the full procedure if u like.. HPD talk 17:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IP locations are never particularly accurate because they rely on you being physically close to the server. I've never been to India, but it is on my 'places to visit' list, along with quite a few other places! drewmunn talk 17:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have u planned ???

When u will come to India, i will be waiting to pick u up. HPD talk 17:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Not for some time, unfortunately. I'm currently putting most of my income aside for film production and so I can upgrade my server hardware, so I'm unlikely to get abroad much at the moment. drewmunn talk 17:32, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is the diff.

May i know the difference between UUSR. Soviet Union and Russian Federation ??? HPD talk 08:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't quote me on this (I skipped history in favour of geography), but as far as i know, the USSR and the Soviet Union are the same thing. USSR stands for "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". Meanwhile, the Russian Federation is the official name for Russia, and is what exists now. Some complex politics surround this entire thing, but the USSR was communist, and came into being after a civil war, and the Russian Federation followed the breakup and disbanding of the Soviet states and communist party respectively. drewmunn talk 08:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thats about it in a nutshell Sonic. -- MisterShiney ✉ 13:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

can i know ??

May i know ur IP address ?? Or give me a way to find ur IP address. HPD talk 09:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a dynamic IP address, so it's constantly changing. Also, because of my system setup, I have multiple connections open at one time, so I'm working on multiple IP addresses. To maintain as much security as possible, I don't give away my current IP, although you could probably find it with the right know-how. drewmunn talk 10:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What are you hiding Sonic...? ;) -- MisterShiney ✉ 13:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You don't want to know... Mostly some seriously boring servers. And a video feed. drewmunn talk 13:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it bad ???

I can't understand why it is an criminal offence if an user posts his/her personal info. (at least an email) in Wikipedia, do u know Mr. Stradivarius told me that "u are permitted only to ask question only on any feature of Wikipedia (if u can't understand what it is) to another user, Wikipedia is not a chatting forum, where u can chat like in facebook"

So how long we will be chatting on Wikipedia even knowingly that chatting is not permitted. I am thinking it will be better if u can find anyway to add me on ur contact other than Wikipedia. HPD talk 16:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If u feel upset, then i am really sorry bro. Are u really off9 or o9 and not wanting to talk with me ?? PLZZ RPLY TO MY ABOVE MESSAGE IN YOUR TALK PAGE. HPD talk 16:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine, I was offline watching Endeavour. Our discussions have mostly been about Wikipedia content, and helping you improve as an editor, so it's permitted on here. Wikipedia pages can't be an open forum, but we haven't really fallen into that definition whilst conversation. Posting your email address is a bit of a grey area as far as personal information is concerned, but I prefer to keep email addresses off my talk page. I would feel bad is anyone got your email from my page, and used it in a way that harmed you. So as to protect my conscience, I prefer to delete email addresses added to my page. There are some things that are banned outright by Wikipedia, like phone numbers, addresses, and the like, and I choose to extend that into the slightly greyer area of email addresses. drewmunn talk 17:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Will i ???

Heyy i want to upload my own photo on ur talk page, i will also prefer to delete after u see it. Will u permit me ?? HPD talk 13:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To upload your own image, you would be putting it in the public domain, and allowing anyone to use it. Wikipedia, and the Wikimedia Commons, are not meant for hosting files for a short period of time, so deleting them isn't something the uploader does. If you are really desperate to show me an image, you could always link to one hosted elsewhere, but remember to take into account the fact that anyone visiting my page would have access to it, so only put a link there if you are happy with the public seeing it. drewmunn talk 13:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One could use the email address he posted the other day and use it to search on facebook and find out where he was from and what he looked like etc. If one was that sort of person....* Whistles innocently*

Just pointing the silliness of putting these sorts of things on a site where everyone can see them young padawans. -- MisterShiney ✉ 13:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's completely true... *joins in to make it a duet* drewmunn talk 13:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that. drewmunn talk 06:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about me ???

Hi Drew, I hope u have seen my photo, how was i looking ??, also u haven't liked in it. HPD talk 12:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it, thanks! drewmunn talk 12:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

U also do..

Just like i have done i.e posted a link, u watched d photo and the section is deleted. U also post a link of ur own photo in ur talk page then after 2-3 mins suddenly delete the section. HPD talk 12:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to do that, but it wouldn't take much to find a picture of me... drewmunn talk 12:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then...

Then what shud i do now ?? HPD talk 13:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

T'internet! drewmunn talk 13:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes

Sorry, i couldn't get u, what is d mng f T'internet ?? M telling abt to how 2 see ur photo. HPD talk 13:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

T'internet mean "the internet". It's not uncommon to find photos of me on the internet under my pseudonym. drewmunn talk 13:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Like it...

Do u knw, i can get u if you will just like my photo in the link which i have sent to u. HPD talk 13:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've said before, I keep my Facebook account very tightly controlled because of my job. drewmunn talk 13:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing 2 wry Hahaah! Don't worry i will not send u friend reqst n' u will not b my friend in facebook. As i also keep tight control of it, i just sent u the link of my photo becoz u know me already. I haven't sent any link of my facebook acnt to anybdy except u. Jst like my photo n' dats enuff. HPD talk 14:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I keep my account very tightly wrapped, and liking something of your's would provide a potential breach that I'd rather not risk. With a little perseverance, you'd be able to find me on the web... drewmunn talk 14:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AM I CRCT ?

IS THIS UR ACOUNT ? http://www.youtube.com/user/sonicdrewdriver

Yep! drewmunn talk 14:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that was me a year of so back. drewmunn talk 14:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it

Now u r 14 years old, u have mentioned dat u hv studied in B.I. school in 2002. HPD talk 14:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not 14, I'm older than that. I've finished school, graduated from college, and have a business. drewmunn talk 14:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can u qustn

i was watching all our conversations, i found dat first i question u and den u answer it. I think u have never askd me anythng. HPD talk 15:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of things would I ask? You've told me quite a bit about yourself, where you live, and asked me about Wikipedia protocols. drewmunn talk 15:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Patience

Is there a barnstar for showing extreme patience? --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know! :-) drewmunn talk 15:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is there one for a wiki crush...who knows.....your new friend might give you one. ;) MisterShiney ✉ 22:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

:-) drewmunn talk 07:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hav u watched

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Have u watched IRON MAN 3 ??? HPD talk 15:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I haven't yet. It's on my list, but there are a few others (yet to be released) that are higher on my priorities. I'll probably wait until it's out on iTunes, or maybe watch it if it's on when I go to see Into Darkness, and I can do it in one outing. Marvel films have never over-excited me, and Iron Man 2 was really quite bad. drewmunn talk 15:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely crct. Yes, Iron Man 2 is quite bad, as if it remains incomplete (i think). My friend had gone to cinema hall to watch Iron Man 3 yesterday, he said that "the film was not much exciting as i excepted, it is simple but also it is awesome". HPD talk 15:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more of a fan of the DC universe, and I really liked what Nolan has brought to that universe. I'm much more interested in Man of Steel than Iron Man. Marvel films don't tend to have much more than explosions and action. That said, the first X-Men films, and X-Men First Class, were very good. drewmunn talk 15:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

U will be surprised..

HEEEHEEHH.... Please visit my talk page and look my signature in the top... U will be surprised to see those designs.. HPD talk 15:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They're the one's done by Diannaa, aren't they? drewmunn talk 16:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yup!

Yes Yes, i have rqsted Diannaa a lot to design my signature and talk page. She agreed to do so and she did it. Diannaa has also the same designs. HPD talk 16:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I've seen her's before. Why don't you work on added categories that apply to you, userboxes, or more information to your user page? drewmunn talk 16:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't understand :-(

Wot do u men by "added categories" or "userboxes" ?? Do u want to edit anything ??? HPD talk 16:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to, but if you read about userboxes, you'll understand what they're for. It's a way of you showing your interests, personality, and editing preferences on your userpage. drewmunn talk 16:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We r near...

Haahhaah! I think while we r chatting, we are editing the talk pages.. (in our case we r editing yours talk page)., As u said to become an administrator one must have much edits to increase reputation. Yup... i thnk wile chatting our no. of edits will b increased and we will oneday become an admin. HPD talk 16:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One day, maybe, but we're still far off that league. I'm still classed as an Apprentice Editor, and you're a Novice Editor. drewmunn talk 17:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WOTT ??? What u said, Apprentice and Novice... I haven't heard befre of it.. What r they and what z d diff. btwn that ??? HPD talk 17:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They are levels of editing accolades. You can see mine on my user page. I'm around 50 edits off of Journeyman Editor, which is the next level up. drewmunn talk 19:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't u ??

Do u know, a few days back i was luking Mr. Stradivarius coz he had edited Codename Lisa talk page n' bymistakely i entered into it. In Mr. Stradivarius user page i found dat he joined Wikipedia in mid-2010, THEN I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT HE IS AN ADMINISTRATOR, i thought f u. So i enterd ur user page I FOUND DAT U HAD JOINED IN 2007.

Dis reveals dat u r more reputed dan him. I am stll wondering why can't u......... I HOPE U UNDERSTOOD WOT i MNT 2 SAY. HPD talk 10:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's fine! Reputation is less about how long you've been here, more about what you've done in that time. I made one or two changes in 2007, but then didn't do anything with it for a very long time after that. I only came back around 2 years ago in any major sense, and I've become more an more active in the last year. drewmunn talk 11:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any Interest ?

Do u play Angry Birds ?? I always play n' it is my favorite game I've played most of the versions. As u know Angry Birds Star Wars is the latest version. But can u tell what will be launched after it ?? I searched a couple f times on google but i am still confused. HPD talk 13:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I used to play it on the bus sometimes; I've completed the original and space versions. Rovio haven't announced their next release, and it can be months or even years between game launches for the company, so don't hold your breath. drewmunn talk 13:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HEYY WOTT ABOUT LONDON 2012 ???

I just forgot 2 ask 1 thing 2 u, u are in the UK,,, den have u seen london 2012 lively i mn infrnt f ur eyes... HPD talk 17:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't go to see any events, but I did get a tour of the facilities during their construction as part of an IT infrastructure study. drewmunn talk 18:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DO U

Hi, Do u knw MisterShiney ??? HPD talk 05:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not outside of Wikipedia, no, but we collaborate on similar articles quite often, so we have quite a bit of correspondence. drewmunn talk 07:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your request for rollback

Hi Sonicdrewdriver. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
Rollback should never be used to edit war.
If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! drewmunn talk 08:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So sad :-(

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I HAVE READ ABOVE SECTION IN UR TALK PAGE AND CAME TO KNW THAT U R ROLLBAKING UR ACCOUNT. Y R U LEAVING WIKIPEDIA ??? IT MAKES ME SAD...:-( HPD talk 12:20, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, don't worry, that's not what Rollback is! Rollback is an advanced feature that I requested that will help me fight vandalism. It's designed to make my life easier on Wikipedia. I'm not leaving! drewmunn talk 12:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very Intersting AND KINDLY NOTICE............

Before 2 hours i was watching Iron Man 3, i found it was much intersting than Iron Man 2. U must watch it. It was not overexciting but its interesting.

But in the film i found that it was filmed in Bern, Switzerland; Wilmington, North Carolina,U.S.; Florida, U.S.

In wikipedia it was written that it was also filmed in Beijing, China; Hyderabad, India and Bengaluru, India. It is wrong !!!!

Here are the lines in the article "Filming began in Beijing, China on December 10. Filming was scheduled to wrap a week later on December 17, 2012.[41] The China filming did not include the main cast and crew.[82] In January 2013, it was reported that a film crew led by Shane Black would begin location scouting in Hyderabad, India and Bengaluru, India between January 20 and 24.[83] Also in January, Don Cheadle confirmed that reshooting was taking place in Manhattan Beach.[84] Shooting also took place on the week of January 23, 2013 at TCL Chinese Theatre in Hollywood."

Also lastly it was revealed that the original mandarin was not Ben Kingsley it was Guy Pearce. But in Wikipedia it was written that it was Ben Kingsley.

Again these chinese actress were not there in the film "Yao Chen and Fan Bingbing".

SO I REQST U KINDLY CHANGE WHAT IS TRUE IN THE ARTICLE AND REMOVE THE FALSE SECTIONS. HPD talk 12:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't change without citation, and I'm steering clear of the article anyway until I've seen it, so the plot isn't spoiled for me! If you can find sources, please feel free to change it yourself. Also, it's entirely possible it was filmed in many more places than you think. See Skyfall, for instance, where the house in Scotland was actually filmed down the road from me (the same place that Thor: The Dark World was partially filmed), as well as in Scotland. drewmunn talk 12:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

I cant get u........ I watched d entire film, the places (Bern,North Carolina,Florida) were highlighted in the film like subtitle (not as subtitle) whenever the part in thier respective loaction plays. But hav u watched it ??

OK u said dat u can change the article, cn u guide me hw 2 change it so dat it wll luk informitive.. HPD talk 13:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Skyfall lodge in Skyfall is named as Scotland, but it was filmed in England. Just because it's subtitled as something doesn't mean it's not actually something else. Similarly, at the beginning of The Dark Knight Rises, Bane boards a plane somewhere in Africa (if I remember correctly), when it was actually filmed in a field in Surrey. The plane takes off, and they're flying over Scotland, but it's still meant to be over Africa. I can't really give you specifics for the changes without knowing their context in the article, and I don't want to know the context else it might spoil my enjoyment. Try opening a Request for Change on the article talk page, and you'll be guided through by an editor there. drewmunn talk 13:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How ?????

U told me to opn "Request for Change" how cn i do so ??? Plzz guide me.

And yes i am uploading an image of Ty Simpkins (my fav. child actor) and what shud i write in the "Summary (author, source, URL, fair use rationale if applicable, extra tags, etc.)" also which liscense wud i give ?? HPD talk 13:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, it's a Request for Comment, not Change. You can read more about them here. You can create one by putting the following into the talk page of the article:

==RfC: CHOOSE TITLE==
{{rfc|media}}
WRITE CONTENT ~~~~

Choose a title, and add some content explaining what you think might need changing, and asking other people's thoughts on how best to change it. Other people will add their opinions, and the outcome will be an informative piece of editing that the community agrees is good. As far as the image, it depends what the licensing on the image it. If you took it, then you can release it into the commons. If not, you'll need to know who the creator was, list where it came from, ensure it's low resolution before uploading it, and be sure it'll pass fair use. For instance, if there is already an image of them, it's unlikely a second will be required unless it demonstrates something specific (such as them when they were much younger, or them in prosthetics described by an article, etc). drewmunn talk 13:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whre 2 add ??

Shud i edit the Iron Man 3 article and add the entire RFC in the top OR where i will add it ??? PLZZ MENTION A LINK..

ASLO, this is the image of Ty Simpkin - http://l1.yimg.com/bt/enwiki/api/res/1.2/5c1hsldqUzTSvbewGu1KTA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thereelbreakdown/reelbreakdown-tysimpkins630-jpg_201654.jpg

which i will upload by cropping and editing into low resolution.

what shud i add in the "======Lisence====" section ??? HPD talk 14:43, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just add the RfC on the talk page, don't change the article to begin with. Read more about that at the RfC page I linked above. The licence will need to attribute the copyright to the creator, and you'll need to write a fair use rationale for it. For the rationale, you'll be asked what page it will be on, and why it's necessary. Most celebrity photos are taken by users of Wikipedia, so your image will most likely fail fair use unless it's seriously necessary. From the looks of things, it's not, so it will likely be deleted. drewmunn talk 15:03, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wat i shd d nw ??

M in - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iron_Man_3

Will i start a new session or edit it and add the RFC in the top ?? HPD talk 15:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It works just as any normal talk page discussion, so at the bottom. drewmunn talk 16:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Check it Down PLZZ

Sorry, i couldn't be o9 coz internet balance prblm. But as u said i have added d RFC in the talk page of Iron Man 3, i will b happy if u would check the RFC in it. U r also permitted to edit it. HPD talk 06:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said earlier, I am steering completely clear of that article until I have seen the film. drewmunn talk 07:44, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why ?

Today when i logged in into my acount i found "Some accounts will soon be renamed due to a technical change. Read more." in the top, why ???, I don't want to rename my acount.. HPD talk 09:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume it's to do with this, but I'm not affected as I already have a global account. If so, someone else may have the same username as you on another project, or you may have multiple accounts open (i.e one here, one on the commons), rather than using a global account. I'm not too much of an expert in this area because I don't have the issue, sorry. drewmunn talk 10:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A question 2 u

My sister gave me this question, i can't solve it. Can u ??

A dealer earned a profit of 5% by selling a radio for ₹ 714. Find the cost price of the radio.

(a) ₹ 680 (b) ₹ 105

(c) ₹ 100 (d) ₹ 714

HPD talk 10:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A drewmunn talk 11:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How

Heyy how did u do dat answr 2 the qstn ? plz tell... I AM VERY WEAK IN MATHS :P HPD talk 17:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the case stated, you take the 5% from the total cost, 100%, getting 95%. To get the cost price (95% of the sale price), you multiply the total price by 0.95, getting 678, closest to answer A when rounded. drewmunn talk 17:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who iz he ??

In ur twitter acount i found some one by d name of "Brice Munn" constantly tweeting u. Who iz he ??

And can i join u in twitter ?? HPD talk 05:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He's one of my followers. By some stretch of the imagination, you could probably conclude he is related to me. My Twitter is an open account, so you may follow me if you so wish. drewmunn talk 06:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is dis ??

Ok i am joining Twitter, but r8 nw i found 2 photos, is dis ur pics ???

http://static.tumblr.com/susbeak/QQGlw6q0s/333582_2304294961143_1062323554_2655405_146189451_o.jpg

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/c24.24.299.299/s160x160/251322_106775332746386_2051310_n.jpg HPD talk 06:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of them! I use the same profile image for nearly everything, Twitter included. drewmunn talk 06:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This may be

This may b, coz it seems lyk u - http://files-cdn.formspring.me/profile/20110727/n4e302403c3a4a_large.jpg

HPD talk 06:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's me from a while back. drewmunn talk 06:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter ??

I found that if i will sign-up in twitter i will only follow u, not be friends (as in facebook), i can't chat with u (as in wikipedia) can i do what i wish ?? I AM NEW TO TWITTER SO I DON'T KNOW MUCH. HPD talk 07:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. Following means that you subscribe to my tweets. You can tweet at me, which is a conversational method between users. drewmunn talk 07:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plz do it 4 me.

U r having a beautiful picture (upside down) in ur profiles (google+, twitter, youtube). I also want like u, once it was made i will fx it as my profile pic in twitter, facebook, gmail, mobiletoones etc. Will i upload my photo(just taken) here or can u tell me a image hosting site ?? Plz edit my photo n make it jst luk u. HPD talk 07:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't just make it, it took quite a lot of effort and it was all done in-camera; I didn't edit it at all after taking the photograph besides cropping. I did the entire thing in a studio (I have one to hand, along with a willing photographer) with a white backdrop and warm lighting (orange gels work well). My photographer took a photo of my head on my iPad, I locked its orientation and held it up over my face. I then held it very still whilst posing for the full photo, which was a HDR image, so required multiple (3 in my case) shots taken in succession at different exposure levels. That meant that both me and my iPad screen were perfectly visible without too much glare. drewmunn talk 07:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The ratio of the first one is altered, so it's not natural, but otherwise both are good. The second is the best. drewmunn talk 11:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Lets do some work

Do u knw recently i visited Softpedia news, i found a couple of news feeds regarding the upcomming windows 8.1/blue. When i saw in wikipedia i found that the information is not not updated. So my point is that we both haven't edited articles a while from now, now just can u go through the bellow links and tell what to be edited in Windows 8 in respect to those links.

1. "Desktop Will Play a Key Role in Windows Blue, Microsoft Says [NYT]" - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Desktop-Will-Play-a-Key-Role-in-Windows-Blue-Microsoft-Says-NYT-351482.shtml

2. "Microsoft to Make Windows Blue Available via the Windows Store" - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Make-Windows-Blue-Available-via-the-Windows-Store-351443.shtml

3. "Windows Boss Says a Start Button “Might” Be Coming Back" - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Boss-Says-a-Start-Button-Might-Be-Coming-Back-351440.shtml

4. "Microsoft to Reveal Windows 8.1 / Blue This Month – Report" - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Reveal-Windows-8-1-Blue-This-Month-Report-351074.shtml

HPD talk 04:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, that section is already too close to WP:BALL for comfort. The above articles are nearly all unfounded assumption or extrapolations on vague statements. As such, I don't personally think that there is any content to add to that section at the moment. I would be more than happy to see that section knocked down to one or two sentences, in fact, until the public beta is available, or a release event is held. Feel free to start a discussion on the Windows 8 talk, however, as others may feel differently. drewmunn talk 06:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PLZ PLZ EDIT MY ARTICLE...

Drew, After 2 months of relaxation, i hav created an article which is Plants vs. Zombies 2: It's about time. Plants vs. Zombies abd Angry Birds versions are my favourite ones. But the thing is that the article which i created is correct ? OR it needs editing ?

If it needs editing, plz plz edit it if someone asks u who r u to edit, tell dat fellow that i am permited by the creator itself to edit it. HPD talk 17:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a more detailed look at it tomorrow, but off the top of my head, I don't believe it'll be available on CD. drewmunn talk 20:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why it is not there ?

When i typed Plants vs. Zombies 2 in the searchbox, the link to the article is not being displayed. What might have happened ? U also check it, u will see that the link is not displayed only u can go to the article if u type the full name "Plants vs. Zombies 2: It's about time" and press "Enter". Also i have created an article Plants vs. Zombies 2 which will automatically redirect to that article's page. PLZ TAKE A DETAILED LOOK ON THE ARTICLE AND THE REDIRECT PAGE Plants vs. Zombies 2. HPD talk 02:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not completely sure of the search algorithm Wikipedia uses, but most rely on popularity. It's possible it'll only appear there when more people start looking for it. I'll take a look at the content of the page in a second. drewmunn talk 08:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok

Thats fine according to u that will appear in the searchbox if it will gain popularity Ok. But now i saw that u have edited that article Thanks!. Now in ref. to u do u think that it is OK or it still needs to be edited ? i mean that article HPD talk 16:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I'd say leave it. Until there's more about the subject, then there's little to be done. WikiProject Video Games may have other suggestions when they grade the article. drewmunn talk 17:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any suggestions currently ?

U said that WikiProject Video Games will look after it, but are there any suggestions ? Recently i searched in that WikiProject, but i found relating only to Plants vs. Zombies not PVZ 2: IAT. But can we add PVZ 2: It's about time into that WikiProject ? U can also add if u like. HPD talk 17:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said a moment ago, I have nothing. They may, and if they do, they'll add it. 17:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Will we ?

As u said leaving the article is the only option. Will we leave it i mean that article PVZ 2: It's about time ? HPD talk 04:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing more to add to it at the moment, so there's nothing to be done to it. Until more information comes to light, it's going to remain as is. drewmunn talk 07:50, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one more thing to add

Will we add this picture in that article ? - http://www.gforgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/plants-vs-zombies-2.jpg

HPD talk 09:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At this time, it adds nothing, so would fail Fair Use policy checks. drewmunn talk 11:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair Use Policy Checks ?

hey wot do u mean by dat ? HPD talk 11:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NFCCP. drewmunn talk 12:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hav u ?

Have u seen any ghosts lively ? My brother had seen one, as b4 20 mins he was explaining me dat at late ni8 (around 3pm) when he was returning 4m Talcher, Orissa to Bhubaneswar, Orissa he saw a lady blocking the road even if my bro changes his direction to ignore him also if my bro gets rid of her bychancely she travels wid the speed of the bike and talks like "hummmm... ahemmm... aunggggg".. Today i am totally scared by his story. HPD talk 17:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't think they exist; I have seen no evidence for them, and am fairly scientific in my outlook. I've seen, and understand, enough about the human brain to know that it will believe what it wants to, and can produce 'evidence' to back its fears and beliefs up. Reinforcement thinking, as it's called, takes a belief and produces evidence to back it up. As a scientist, I was taught to take evidence and find a conclusion, rather than coming up with a conclusion beforehand. Things like barnum statements and cold reading are evidence of how this can be applied to trick people into believing in phenomena such as psychic abilities or mediumship. Also, although people believe they have an accurate 'photographic memory', you can easily edit your memories to suit your belief of what happened in that location at that time. A simple example of this would be going to a place you've not been since you were much younger. You'd be surprised at how small it's gotten, despite the only thing changing being your perception. The manifestation of 'ghosts' usually occur when reflections, shadows, flares, or other lighting artefacts are present, and your brain can easily create figures from this, and back that summary up with audible or tangible evidence; that mysterious knocking and drop in temperature. However, you can easily do this to yourself. If you're at home alone in the evening/night, switch off all the lights, close and lock all but one door or window, and sit in your room. Switch your light on, put some headphones in, and watch a video. It won't be long before you'll start to believe you heard someone open that window or door, step into your house, and start walking around. You'll switch off the video, and listen hard. Is there someone there? Did the shadow outside your door change? Are they about to walk into your room? No. Chances are, there's nobody there. However, you've built up so much 'evidence' that they exist, you can't quite bring yourself to step into the dark without feeling uneasy. Your brain is wired to survive, so you'll have started to imagine your confrontation with the attacker, whether you find him, or he finds you. He's no doubt armed with maybe a crowbar or bat, and probably wearing dark clothes. You can feel his presence, hear his breathing, see his shadow. However, he doesn't exist (unless you're very unluck when you try this). Your entire body, from brain, to heart, to adrenal glands have prepared you for your meeting with him, and you genuinely believe in his existence, even though your logical brain tries to dismiss him. That, in my opinion, is what a ghost is. It's proven that you can create a completely believable 'hallucination' of someone or something, yet there is no proof that ghosts exist, or could exist in the way described. drewmunn talk 18:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ya U R Ri8..

Yes, u r ri8 usually ghosts do not exist, when we see or hear a topic/situation related to ghost a fear builds up in our brain n dat creats a sense in our eyes, skin, ears etc that ghosts may be present behind us. As u said "Your entire body, from brain, to heart, to adrenal glands have prepared you for your meeting with him, and you genuinely believe in his existence, even though your logical brain tries to dismiss him." yes dats only the thing. And nothing else. hahhhahhhahhh

BUT according to Indian and Chinese mythology Spirits exists (not ghosts). As my grandmother said "those people who die before fullfillment of their needs their soul becomes greedy and roam arround even if their body was burnt or stored in graves, after fullfillment of their needs, these souls gets peace and goes to heaven for rebirth" such examples may be those people who commits suicide or those people who were muddered thier souls are likely to roam all arround. HPD talk 05:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, such is an impossibility, but I respect that others may feel differently. I understand the necessity to have a faith such as that; it's human nature, but in my opinion, unfounded. drewmunn talk 06:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also in my opinion it is unfounded, but i respect those. HPD talk 07:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Google Search Page Alexa Rank issue

Excuse me Sir, I would like to redirect you to this link --> http://www.alexa.com/topsites It mentions Google at #2. Btw, ur reverting back deletes a citation link - this link that is. What do you think should the article page now read? Compfreak7 (talk) 14:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that (didn't mean to delete citation, should have copied over), but the Alexa Rank remains at 1 for the time. If it decreases, then the change can be made, but one of the links you cited specifically states the rank to be a value contradicted by your change. The order on the top sites page is not the Alexa Rank, but a 1 month rank. drewmunn talk 14:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh. I wasnt aware of this - that monthly rankings are listed on top sites, so it seems my edits on the Facebook and Twitter page too need to be reverted back. What a mistake. I should have used Talk pages first, big blunder! Is there any way of doing a quick fix? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Compfreak7 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, everyone makes mistakes! Unfortunately not, but I can roll back your last changes on these pages if you want me to. drewmunn talk 15:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wotts dat ?

What is "Google Search Page Alexa Rank issue" ? Hav u edited anything ? HPD talk 12:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited quite a lot in my time! That discussion is to do with the Alexa Rank, a way of gauging site popularity. drewmunn talk 12:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

I've initiated a discussion on the talkpage because of your edit warring along with SchroCat. Right now it's two on two, so there's no clear consensus, so please join. AmericanDad86 (talk) 07:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, just left a message on your talk page. drewmunn talk 07:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. I think we'd be better hashing this out on the article talkpage. AmericanDad86 (talk) 07:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really good practise to remove discussions from your talk page in that manner, and I see it's something you do quite often to hide 'warnings'. Anyway, I've replied at that discussion and shall invite some other Skyfall contributors to the table. drewmunn talk 07:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

U will surely get surprised.

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Please go to my user page and look at the design which is "Status graphics" in right corner. You will get surprised. HPD talk 15:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see it. I suggest padding your user page out with a bit more about you or your editing interest, so people can see more about you, and invite you to pages you may be interested in editing. drewmunn talk 15:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dats fine Its Ok. Padd it. HPD talk 16:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, you have to do it, not me! drewmunn talk 16:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A gud news.........

Today i have joined Twitter r u o9 dere ?? Like Wikipedia how much time u spend on it ?? I am in ur user page in it, shud i click follow ? Another thing wen i joined it, a couple of options came infrnt of me, which is to follow many singers, actors, directors etc. As per u "following means chatting" will i able to chat wid those super-stars ? HPD talk 16:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's completely up to you whether you follow me or not. And yes, many famous people are on Twitter, and you can communicate with them. As for whether I'm 'online', Twitter isn't something you're either on or off of, it's something that exists. I get notifications of things happening, and tweet from my Notification Center throughout the day, and read through my feed every now and again. drewmunn talk 16:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

y don't u rply der ??

i hav followed u n' posted a msg 2 u, y r u nt replying ?? HPD talk 16:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because I've been elsewhere, and not checking my notifications. drewmunn talk 16:49, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plz help me.

I got summer assignment in my scul they said me to write the rection of all metals of reactivity series with water. I am quite confused wott to do. Please can u copy paste or write all those here or u may post me a link to dat. I need it coz if i do it beautifully i may get special grades for it. HPD talk 12:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to do all your work for you! However, this article will be very useful. drewmunn talk 12:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Isn't it Vandalism ????

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Day b4 yesterday i had downloaded the 2.0.6 version of VLC media player. As at dat time screenshot in dat article is much older, my bro advised me to upload a screenshot of the latest vrsn. So i snipped a screenshot of dat software from his laptop and thought to post it in Wikipedia Commons (so dat it cud be used in any language) after i've posted d file i.e, File:VLC Media Player 2.0.6 main window in Windows 8.PNG, it is suddenly tagged as articles for speedy deletion by a foolish user KAMiKAZOW. As per him the file is not obeying the license (Creative Commons 3.0 Unported). After that i thought to upload the same file in English Wikipedia, i did again the same foolish removed my image tagging it as "Windows 8 is a non-free artwork" den he uploaded n assigned a new image on dat article i.e, File:VLC 2.0 Oxygen.png, i realized my mistake n thought to remove Windows 8 tag from dat file so, i've edited the name n uploaded the same file by changing its name i.e, File:VLC Media Player 2.0.6 main window.PNG, at that time Codename Lisa saw the licence problem n fixed the file wich i have uploaded firstly in eng. wiki, because f her i was able to assign my 1st pic in eng. wiki again i found dat d 2nd iamge iz of no use so i thought to remove the 2nd image, i contacted her to tag it for deletion. She did something dat i could not understand, anywayz today at morning i had planned to upload another file i.e, File:VLC 2.0.6 Oxygen.PNG, but that foolish had also deleted it and added in the summary of that article i.e "2.0.x is the latest version. Stop adding copyrighted artwork. Another try by you and I will report you", n i saw my file is being deleted witout my notice. SOO SADDD. HPD talk 10:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First thing's first, stop writing on his talk page. I'll take this to forum, because I don't believe the Windows 8 theme is copyrightable, unlike Aero. Give this time, and I'll try and resolve it. For now, don't upload any more images. drewmunn talk 10:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've written on his talk page explaining that the geometric elements in the Windows 8 theme are too simple to be copyrightable. drewmunn talk 10:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My discussion with the user on his talk page has come to an end, and I'd suggest you try to stick by the following:

Check to make sure any images you're uploading are either free, or successfully pass the non-free criteria. In the case of the VLC one, you included it showing a copyright-protected frame from a film that was not necessary for the demonstration.
If an image is non-free, ensure it's low resolution, the correct aspect ratio, and has the correct rationales.
If an image can be made free easily, as is the case with the Google Chrome image you've recently uploaded, make it free. The entire Chrome interface is free, but the logos shown in the tab you've got open aren't. Web browsers usually show either a blank starting page, or the Wikipedia home page (see File:Safari in Lion.png).
Do not interact with KAMiKAZOW‎ if he approaches you in the manner he did again. If he threatens you ask an uninvolved editor (not me, I'm involved now) along to work out who's in the wrong, and take appropriate action.

That's all for now, I think! drewmunn talk 14:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who iz dat PHUCKKKKK ?

At the same time wen u postd a section on KAMiKAZOW talk page a fucking user by name of "Shruti Das Sharma" complained me as if i've tagged him as a vandal, WHO IZ DAT LADY ? SHE MUST BE BLOCKED FROM SENDING DIS TYPES OF COMMENTZZ. HPD talk 10:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Careful, we should always remain civil to other users. Shruti was informing the other user that you were discussing his conduct. If I were an administrator, you would technically have to have done this yourself. It's generally good practise anyway to inform someone if you're getting a third opinion on a matter, so they can have their say if they feel they need to. drewmunn talk 10:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do u ?

Ok, do u know her ? I have never saw her in Wikipedia as of today. HPD talk 10:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's an IP user, so it's possible you've had dealing when they were using a different IP. drewmunn talk 10:37, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wott ??????

Wott u said ? She have used my IP ? OH NOO, how can i find it ?? HPD talk 10:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, she doesn't have a Wikipedia account. People editing without Wikipedia accounts appear as IP users. drewmunn talk 10:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will u ?

As u have said dat u will try ur best to bring back my uploaded files (which were deleted) and assign it. Will u ? HPD talk 10:47, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't promise that the old files will be reinstated, but I should help resolve this so no further conflict occurs. drewmunn talk 10:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are they ?

Did Padding (as u said) and Userboxes have same meaning ? I wud wish to pad my user page but how is it possible ? Will i write anything on it ? HPD talk 11:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Padding is just stuff you'd write to explain a bit about yourself and your editing preferences. Userboxes are a type of padding, but a bit less personal, and more of an 'at a glance' way of gauging a user's personality. drewmunn talk 11:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I want but how ?

How can i pad it ? Will i copy from u ? HPD talk 11:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have to write about yourself, so you can't really copy it from me. drewmunn talk 11:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Congrats,

I have tagged you in "Those users helped me the most" section in my User page while padding it. Your name is tagged as "Drew", please check my user page. HPD talk 12:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! drewmunn talk 12:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anything else ?

Anything more padding required or it is OK ? HPD talk 12:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC) It's good, think about some userboxes now. drewmunn talk 12:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ids Difficult....Will i ???

I seriously don't know how to tag an userbox in my user page. Ankit Maity is having a nice userbox will i copy it ??? HPD talk 12:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Visit WP:USERBOX to learn more about them. drewmunn talk 12:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I got this

One thing i forgot to tell you that while i was padding my user page, i wrote all the articles i created (as u saw) but at that movement it has came to my mind that lets visit one of the article which i have created i have chosed to visit GOM Audio article. OMG there i found these things were written...

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
This article needs additional citations for verification. (January 2013)
This article may contain wording that promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information. (January 2013)

Obviously this article was created by me in January 2013 (before our meeting). But wott cud be done to dat article now ? Can please spread a look on dat article as u did in PVZ 2: IAT. HPD talk 13:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You need some third party, more information, and preferably proof that it's notable. As such, you'll need news reports, reviews, or other sites talking about it. Reference these, write more about its capabilities, and try and get hold of some information on previous versions. Also, add {{WikiProject Software|class=|importance=}} to the top of the talk page and {{software-stub}} to the bottom of the main article. drewmunn talk 13:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TALK PAGE

I have assigned the talk page of GOM Audio plz luck at dat. HPD talk 13:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted content from the talk page that should have been there. Restor, including the part I said to add. Also, add the section at the bottom of the article. drewmunn talk 13:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I want it

I hope u r familiar with Mozilla Firefox, as i said earlier i use my laptop (HP G62) for Wikipedia. But i surf it through that browser. As u kno Mozilla releases cocsecutive versions of Firefox within specific time period. But do u know that whenever a new version of Firefox is released, the screenshot of the latest stable software is assigned in Wikipedia by some users. My point is as Firefox v21 is released, i saw no user assigned the 21th version of the soft in the infobox, in the infobox there remains the screenshot of 20th version of d soft i.e, File:Firefox 20 on Windows 8.PNG, so i uploaded and assigned the 21th version of the soft (which i'm using) in the infobox i.e, File:Firefox 21 on Windows.PNG, as the 20th versioned file was used in (et.wikipedia.org), (fa.wikipedia.org), (jv.wikipedia.org), (ko.wikipedia.org), (tr.wikipedia.org). I wanted my file to be used as it, CAN IT BE POSSIBLE ???

Note: THE SCREENSHOT HAS THE REQUIRED AND ALLOWED RATIO. HPD talk 12:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A massive discussion has gone on regarding the Firefox image, so be prepared for destruction! However, your image includes the Aero theme, which we don't generally allow because it is a copyright element. So whatever, therefore, it'll most likely be deleted. Any new image would have to use either the Windows Classic theme or the Window 8 'Metro' theme, or be from a different OS such as OS X or a Linux variant. It is best to discuss it at the Firefox talk page before any changes are made. drewmunn talk 12:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Post me dat link

As u said a massive discussion iz goin on, can u post me dat link SO I CAN B INVOLVED IN DAT WAR..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 12:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a war, and it's on the Firefox talk page (although I believe it's not been archived because it ended in a move to a policy discussion that ultimately got nowhere). drewmunn talk 13:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here u LOOSE

FIRST THING TODAY U WILL HAV TO B O9...

2nd thing as u said Windows Aero is a copyrighted element den y Snurre86 had uploaded a screenshot of VLC media player i.e, File:VLC media player - Maximized in Windows 7, 1920x1080.png, in a transparent windows 7 theme ?

3rd thing y GabbielSan uploaded an screenshot of Mozilla Firefox i.e, File:Firefox 19 on Windows.png, tagging it as "Transparency" (see it in "File history" sectn) ?

4th thing y dere is a screenshot of Adobe reader in completely aero themed assigned in Adobe Acrobat ? i.e, File:AdobeAcrobat9win.png, even u see in a little transparency an unknown program is running just b4 it. HPD talk 13:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One of these is already tagged for speedy deletion, the others were uploaded before the discussions over Aero became more heated. We can't check every file that's uploaded, but it's up to the user to ensure the photo they upload is correctly tagged and suitable. I will take the files you've mentioned to the WP:SCREENSHOT talk page for the more knowledgable people there to take any action necessary. Remember, just because someone else has got something wrong doesn't give you a license to. drewmunn talk 13:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IF U WILL DEN I WILL

YUPZZZZZ....., File:VLC media player - Maximized in Windows 7, 1920x1080.png, is tagged for speedy deletion. But wot i can do ? YESSSSSSSSSSSS IDEA IDEA IDEA, do u hav VLC Media Player 2.0.x ? (installed) if yes take a screenshot of it, reduce the ratio, upload it with sufficient license info. and post in such a way dat it could b used in any language of wikipedia (i mean in Commons). But if u don't have dat software download it from t'internet.

IF U WLL DO DIS WORK DEN I WLL GIVE A SURPRISE (SERIOUSLY). HPD talk 13:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't use VLC, so I can't do it. I'm not going to download it, because I have software installed that VLC would cause issues with, and resolving those issues would be a major hassle. If you have it installed, take a screenshot in either Windows Classic, or if you have Windows 8, the standard interface. drewmunn talk 13:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can Windows Basic ?

I have also told u earlier dat due 2 1GB of RAM i am using Windows 7. As u know Windows 7 has 3 typs f themez i.e Windows Aero, Windows Basic, Windows Clasic. My pont iz daat instead f Windows Classic will i take a scrmsht f Windows Basic ? HPD talk 14:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I believe it's also too complex for exemption. Per the guidelines, Windows Classic and Windows 8 'Metro' are the only two acceptable Windows themes. drewmunn talk 14:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK OK

OK.... THANKS 4 UR INFORMATION, I HAV UPLOADED IT FOR U, SO I HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY LICENSE AND SUMMARY COZ FOR U, I ADVICE U TO DOWNLOAD IT, RATIONALISE IT, UPLOAD IT IN THE COMMONS WID SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AND CORRECT LICENSE, AS I TOLD U I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE PROPER LICENSE SO I HAVE TO HANDOVER TO U. THE FILE IS HERE i.e, File:VLC 2.0.6 (test).png, THE MOVIE PLAYING IN IT IZ Madagascar (2005 film).

NOTE - PLEASE REMOVE THE "(test)" WORD AFTER DOWNLOADING IT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 15:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm tagging it for speedy deletion, because it contains copyright protected material. You can't have anything shown inside it that it copyright protected, such as Madagascar. Take a screenshot with nothing playing, or if you have to have something playing, Big Buck Bunny. drewmunn talk 15:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

R U DER OR NOT ?

HI R U O9 NOW I AM WAITING 4 U JST 2 PST IT.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 16:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The image has been deleted as a copyright violation. See the above post, explaining what you need to do to the image. drewmunn talk 16:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DATS FINE I'M POSTING ITZZZ

I HAV UPLOADED FOR U AS U WISHED, I HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY LICENSE AND SUMMARY, AS I ADVICE U TO DOWNLOAD IT, RATIONALISE IT, UPLOAD IT IN THE COMMONS WID SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AND CORRECT LICENSE, AS I TOLD U I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE PROPER LICENSE SO I HAVE TO HANDOVER TO U. THE FILE IS HERE, File:VLC 2.0.6 (remove this sentence).png, PLZ TAKE CARE OF IT. HPD talk 16:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please, fewer capitals! Read the rationale I've put into the file, that's all that needs to be there in this case. I've also changed the main VLC page screenshot to point to this. You can't just remove sentences, and no re-uploading was necessary, so the file is in the same place with the same name. Enjoy! drewmunn talk 16:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How is it ?

The file, File:VLC 2.0.6 (remove this sentence).PNG, lucks odd. So, i have uploaded the same image in Wikipedia Commons with CC 3.0 Unported i.e, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VLC_2.0.6.png, after some time an user tagged it as it of low resolution n please upload in an higher image quality. So, just now i have uploaded an image of higher resolution and quality. Do u know i have assinged that image in many Wikipedian languages.PLS SEE THE IMAGE AND GIVE UR FEEDBACK COZ THIS WORK HAS DONE PARTIALLY ACORDING TO U. HPD talk 15:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure of the image licensing, but ask someone at the VLC article what the release is on the UI. It's not your work, so it'll need to be tagged as something else. drewmunn talk 15:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wott we shud tag ???

Plzz Plzz help me wott there shud be tagged as the corect license ? If i wud asked it in talk page, it will be suddernly deleted (may be) wich i don't want. HPD talk 16:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, that's why I told you to ask there. Things won't be deleted without good reason, and editors are civil enough to help you out there. drewmunn talk 16:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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As i told u i'm curently 10th passout 2 months b4. Today the CBSE (Central Borad Of Secondary Education) had released the results of all the 10th apeared students across India and other CBSE based countries (may b). Yes, i am here to tell u my score along wid percentage. My score is 7.8/10 and my percent is 7.8 x 9.5= 74.1%. SHITT MOST MY FRNDS GOT HIGER SCORE DAN MEE. CURRENTLY I AM VERY SAD COZ MY EXPECTIONS WAS TO GET 80% BUT I GOT 74% OUT OF 95%. HPD talk 09:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't understand the grading system you describe, nor the question... drewmunn talk 09:51, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wic Questn ????

Which questn u can't get ? HPD talk 10:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Simplified !!!

I wanna tell u dat today our results of 10th exam has been declared n i got 74% out of 95%. HPD talk 11:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK, the use of question marks confused me... Anyway, well done! drewmunn talk 11:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Where did the last 5% go?[reply]

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I have posted 2-3 tweets to u in twitter, but u havn't replyd yet. Wot might hav hapnd ??? I hope u might hav repyd n i was unable to read it (MAY B I'M NEW TO TWITTER). HPD talk 07:08, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't reply to the latest one because I was asleep. However, I'm not now, so in reply, I'm also on Flickr, Linkedin, Y!A, and have a blog, amongst other things. drewmunn talk 07:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wich 1 shud b better ?

According 2 u, u r more activ in Wikipedia rather dan Twitter. Nw the question is if i wud use Twitter more dan Wikipedia, WILL U REPLY MY TWEETS FASTLY Or I SHUD STAY IN WIKIPEDIA FOR EDITING N CHANTING ?? HPD talk 07:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm physically on Wikipedia more often, but I'm nearly always connected to Twitter. I tweet straight from my OS, and my OS notifies me of anything it considers of interest on Twitter when it happens. My use of Twitter is therefore much more sparodic but more prevalent. I only know if something has happened on Wikipedia when I refresh my watchlist whilst waiting for code to compile or upload, or waiting for a render to finish. drewmunn talk 07:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wott r ur assets..

Acc. to u said dat urs OS is very pratical, may i knw wic OS u r using ?? I'm using Windows 7 in my laptop (u also knw). I hav a Samsung Galaxy S3 running Android Jellybean 4.2 n do u knw wen i wil b as in the age f u my father said me to give a Jaguar F-Type. Hahhh currently do u hav any cars ??? Hav u ever seen jaguar's car in urs life ?? HPD talk 12:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I use OS X 10.8 on my Macs (MacBook Pro and iMac) and I have Windows 8 dual installed on my MBP as well. I also have iOS 6 on my iPad, and some godforsaken software on my excuse of a phone (some form of Blackberry, that much I know), but I don't use it that much. And yes, I've seen plenty of Jaguars, my father used to work at a Jaguar garage painting them and fitting after-sales extras for customers. drewmunn talk 14:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dats Cool.... n Wott is ur real occupation ??

Haahh... If ur dad works at Jaguar's garage it is quite helpful 2 me, if dere wll b some prblm in our car, i cn contact u for suggestion. Hence it is our future, but as of now urs father is working under Jaguar Cars, Wott iz urs job den ? U mentioned dat u r a Scientist, again u said u r working as director n producer of films, also u written dat u r a web designer (in twitter), n wen we r chtng echothr u said me dat u r a developer of gadgets. WHICH ONE IS TRUE ? As u knw i'm currently a student of 11th class, also u must knw my father is working in AGM Biotec as regional business manager. HPD talk 17:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never said I'm a scientist, although I do have an Advanced Level qualification in physics. I'm technically a web developer, software coder, and brand & marketing consultant. I review gadgets on the odd occasion I can be bothered and have the time. Also, he hasn't been in that industry for a while, so it's probably not his area of expertise nowadays (he does disaster response equipment now). drewmunn talk 19:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That explains the cool signature. -- MisterShiney ✉ 20:54, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! drewmunn talk 06:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why we r editing ?

R u earing even a penny from editing articles in wikipedia ?? I'm not, we r editing articles just for enjoyment, credit n time pass. Is there a way dat we will earn something by editing articles ?? HPD talk 10:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

People who get paid for editing aren't trusted; corporate sponsorship (employment) would lead to bias, which isn't allowed. So no, I don't get paid, and I do it for fun, and because Wikipedia has always been very useful when I've been researching. I think of it as a way of giving back; I needed to know things in a certain area, so I got the information from Wikipedia, and now I'm helping people find information that I know. drewmunn talk 10:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its Intresting I saw in my contibutions dat i am editing ur talk page more than editing articles. Do u know BESIDES CHATTING WID U, I ONLY REVIEW SOME ARTICLES AN DO A SLIGHT EDITING, I DO IT WHEN I GET BORED otherwise i get entertained by chating wid u (U ALSO KNOW). NOW THE QUESTION ARISES R U DOING THE SAME THING WHAT I'M DOING ?? OR BESIDES CHATTING U R ALSO EDITING EQUALLY ??? HPD talk 11:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do a fairly large amount of editing, I've got quite a few article creations under my belt, I'm part of 3 WikiProjects, I've remodelled 7 articles, and I've got another remodel project on the go, along with a draft article. I also spend quite a bit of time knocking plot descriptions down to the limit. According to my stats, the total amount of edits I've performed on any user talk page, whether it's talking to you on mine, talking to other people, or writing on other users' pages comes to less than 20% of my activity. drewmunn talk 11:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wott do u want ??? 3:)

WOTT IZ THESE ??? 3:)

Your edits on Talk:Google Search have been reverted by Sonicdrewdriver (Show changes) "Reverted edits by HPD (talk) to last version by Sonicdrewdriver" 51 seconds ago

Your edit on User talk:Sonicdrewdriver has been reverted by Sonicdrewdriver (Show changes) "Undid revision 558127987 by HPD (talk) any reason for that?" 1 minute ago

DO U WANT ANYTHING FROM ME ???? HPD talk 13:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you've just installed Twinkle? You reverted my edits to my talk page (here), and to the Google Search talk page (here). I'd suggest taking a good look at the Twinkle instructions and playing in your sandbox before using to perform global edits, as you've been reverting my content. I simply fixed the errors you caused. drewmunn talk 13:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Done drewmunn talk 14:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SuRPrIsE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

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I've done much edits in ur User page. Its a surprise, go n check it. HPD talk 14:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, however, I've reverted the changes because they break the grammatical syntax. The WikiProjects I'm in are listed in my categories section, and the minimum limit of an hour remains correct (it's there partially as an incentive for me not to be on here all day). drewmunn talk 14:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HPD, please be careful, editing someone else's user page without permission can still be considered vandalism and or a personal attack against another editor. Please refrain from doing so in future unless you have the express permission of the editor who's user page it is. -- MisterShiney ✉ 20:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A huge amount of thanks and praise to u, MisterShiney you really had done a good job by monitering n notifying me on my mistakes. Thanks again

Also y u (Drew) didn't reminded me about the fact dat Ms. Shiney said ?? HPD talk 07:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because I was quite busy at the time (or distracted by something shiny), and it slipped my mind... :-/ drewmunn talk 07:38, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't think of it like that HPD. I am quite simply putting my nose where it doesn't really belong. lol. I just don't want another editor coming back and slapping you with a block and I am all for helping new people out. -- MisterShiney ✉ 16:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why Y Yhay ????? :(:(:(:((:(:(:(

I monitored n tried my best to correct mistakes and to make ur user page attractive. Wait don't u know vowels ????? These r - A, E, I, O, U. So it must b "an user" not "a user". U kept nothing even not a peny of my edits in ur User page.... SOOOO SADDDD :(:(:(:((:(:(:( HPD talk 14:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's not quite how it works, unfortunately. Should a word beginning with a vowel be pronounced in the manner of a word starting with a consonant ("user" being pronounced "yooser"), it is grammatically correct to use "a" rather than "an". It's something I learnt not that long ago! Don't feel bad about it, I reverted the change because I've very carefully written my talk page to reflect what I want it to at the moment. Thank you for your input though, it was useful in seeing where I could improve the page further in the future should I choose to add further sections. drewmunn talk 14:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Lovin It <3

I seriously like ur current signature (and previous ones also). But my current ones lucks oldish. I ALSO DUNNO MORE ABOUT HTML N HOW 2 MAKE IT. SO CAN U MAKE ANOTHR SIGNATURE OF A NEW AND HANDSOME STYLE FOR MEEE PLS PLS PLZZZ ?? GIVE ANY COLUR EXCEPT "PINK" I HATE "PINK". THANKS IN ADVANCE HPD talk 15:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How about my original suggestion? I can change the color scheme to suit you. You can choose one by clicking here, and moving around the wheel until you find one you like, then give me the 3-character Web Safe color code (IE #8D8 for your current green). I'll add that code in, and you can copy the signature code into your preferences. drewmunn talk 16:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Choosed :)

Here is my choiced color it's Web Safe Color code iz - #33CC00 / #3C0 Design n surprise me by a new design or style. I will definitely fix it in every Wikipedia language groups in wich i'm activ. HPD talk 16:19, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There we go! drewmunn talk 17:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will u ??

After 5-6 months this one will be oldish, Isn't it ? So, my question iz will u make another one for me at dat time ?? HPD talk 17:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If I have the time, and you ask nicely, I'll think about it. However, it'd be worth you getting to know Wikimarkup and basic HTML so you can make more dynamic things yourself. drewmunn talk 17:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will u ??

Will u tell me how 2 design signatures ?? HPD talk 17:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Learn basic HTML and CSS! That's all I can really suggest. Make sure you read WP:Signature so you know what's acceptable, and learn how to use inline CSS, spans, and other basic HTML. Your signature, including all HTML code, must be no longer than 255 characters, but the shorter the better! drewmunn talk 17:34, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wott do u mean by dat ???

Wott do u mean by CGI ??

Go 2 dis link, seed pic n tell me - https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-g.ak/hphotos-ak-prn2/954881_567230563333316_1676069025_n.jpg

HPD talk 14:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CGI means Computer Generated Imagery. It's the stuff added in post production to movies, like extra explosions, aliens, spacecraft, etc, or simple things like removing wires from stuntmen or masking out visible crew in the background. The real world footage, along with all other elements and clean plates, are composited together to produce the final image. For instance, I did a bit of work a while ago where I filmed a police car at night with a driver and a passenger inside, pretending to drive. I then put into my compositor of choice (After Effects), and using CGI elements, made it look like it was driving along with its lights flashing. I added the flashing of the lights, some motion blur, street lamps bouncing off the glass (there was a bit of practical for that, but it's complex), and the shadows of the world passing by around the car. CGI lets you add things into footage that isn't really there. For instance, I don't know if you've seen Dark Shadows (film) (if you haven't the trailer will suffice). The mansion in the film (10s into the trailer) was built for the film, but it would be impractical to build the whole thing. For the exterior, the ground floor was built, and the rest was added in post production using CGI (I'll see if I have an image of the real set, I might still have one somewhere). drewmunn talk 14:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Required ur attention

Today before 25-30 mins ago after visiting a website i.e, Windows 8.1 Full Features List, in Softpedia news page, i decided to edit and update the info. according to that website in Windows 8 article of English Wikipedia. So i did it, my editing lies in the "Windows 8.1" sub-section of "Updates" section OR here is the direct link to it, 8.1 (Windows). Now the question arises is every thing correct ? Or there is still something that needs to be improved ? If there is something U R PERMITED TO EDIT AND CORRECT THOSE MISTAKES.HPD talk 06:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cmd + F not wrkng

U adviced me to run Cmd + F its not working mannnnnn..... :P :P :P :P :P :PHPD talk 10:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What that meant is that I searched the Softpedia article (Cmd + F is the keystroke to search a document on Mac) using sections of your contribution, and matches were found. This is a way of testing to see if material has been copied from elsewhere. drewmunn talk 10:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A joke to blow up ur mind..

Examiner- Tell the name of this bird by seeing her leg.... Common quick..

Student- I don't know, Sorry.

Examinr- U failed in ur test, now tell me ur name.

Student- (moved his leg upwards n said): U bitch, see my leg n write the name. :PHPD talk 10:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reception of MBP

So why should existing critique in the reception be removed? You bring as an argument "We are not a guide" ... we? Wikipedia? Where does it say it is against Wikipedia's rules to put the information on which display panel is fitted? Please cite them. Besides, if some bit of information is factually incorrect, cite it (I cited most of what I added), and correct it, why do you remove all of it? FelixAkk (talk) 09:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, Wikipedia is not a guide. It's not our job to state how a user may find the panel manufacturer, merely to state there is an issue. The factually incorrect section was the addition of "/burn-in". Burn-in does not occur on LCD screens, image persistence and defective pixels do. The term is used incorrectly in the reference you cited. drewmunn talk 09:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. So given those two corrections then I take it there is no reason to remove it. FelixAkk (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly sure I get your meaning, I've just given you the reasons for my removing it. drewmunn talk 16:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Users are becoming very jealous in Wikipedia.... Shitt

By reviewing a screenshot which has been uploaded 5 months ago by me i.e, File:Google Chrome Windows 8 Mode.jpg, u said (in ur talk page) that

"If an image can be made free easily, as is the case with the Google Chrome image you've recently uploaded, make it free. The entire Chrome interface is free, but the logos shown in the tab you've got open aren't. Web browsers usually show either a blank starting page, or the Wikipedia home page...." I'VE REALISED AND ADMITED IT.

But do u know due to a F**K*NG USER NAMED ViperSnake151 my file has been deleted 14 days ago, and i can't do anything to it. :( :( :( :(

IN RESPECT TO UR GUIDELINES, I THINK THE FILE THAT USER (ViperSnake151) UPLOADED i.e, File:Firefox 21 on Windows 8.PNG, HAS NOTHING OTHER THAN THE SAME MISTAKE WHICH I COMMITED {there must be blank starting page or Wikipedia home page (as per ur lines)}. I ALSO THINK HIS FILE MUST BE TAGGED FOR SPEEDY DELETION.

I think that user (ViperSnake151) is very much jealous of me and my works, due to him my file i.e, File:Firefox in Windows 8.JPG, has also been deleted. Again another firefox image which i uploaded i.e, File:Firefox 21 on Windows.PNG, has gone useless due to him.

I feel upset....... SHITTT.HPD talk 10:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please, remain civil. The Chrome image needed to be deleted, as you didn't upload a replacement without the copyright elements, did you? Your Firefox screenshot is non-free because it uses the Windows Aero theme, so he was right to upload a replacement. The Mozilla Firefox UI (along with its logo) is licensed into the public domain, so it's perfectly acceptable for it to use those elements. However, the Google Chrome screenshot included elements not in the public domain, as does your Firefox screenshot. drewmunn talk 10:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Yup, i haven't uploaded another image replacing the Google Chrome ones which was deleted. But wott r u doing at that time when u reviewd my screenshot ^-^, u cud also have uploaded another screenshot and replaced mine ones, u said in ur talk page that "I have Windows 8 dual installed on my MBP as well" So u have Windows 8, Google chrome, Snipping tools (defaultly-installed) etc, it cud b very very easy to take a screenshot n upload it replacing my file. Hence, u see i already told u 100+ times that U ARE COMPLETELY PERMITED TO OVERLOOK AND EDIT MY WORKS AND ALSO TO DELETE IT.

Do u know i feel very happy when u moniter or edit my works in my request on anything i do.

SO, PAST IS PAST NEVER THINK ON DAT...., NOW U PLEASE TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF GOOGLE CHROME IN WINDOWS 8 MODE AND POST IT IN WIKIPEDIA, THEN U CONTACT ME I WILL OVERLOOK IT, AND DEN I WILL USE IT IN EVERY WIKIPEDIA LANGUAGES. OK ????HPD talk 11:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to do that for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'm currently working in OS X on my MPB, and to get into Windows 8 I'd have to restart. Secondly, I've got Chrome personalised, and I'd have to reset all of that to make it the default installation. Finally, I'm not using standard Google Chrome, but Chrome Canary, which is a developer test platform, so it'd not be acceptable for an overall image. Anyway, you don't have to keep giving me permission, everyone has a right to edit anything anyone puts up (some things like User pages are a little more controlled). Just a tip, but did you know you can reply without creating a new section? Simply add one more colon (:) before your message than the message before. drewmunn talk 11:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok i will reply like this. Firstly, if ur MBP can run a MS designed OS (Windows 8), can my HP G62 run OS X besides Windows 7 ?? If yes, i'vnt used OS X in my life tym, Will u pls become a 24x7 guide for me to use OS X or i shud stay with Windows 7 ?? Secondly, Is Chrome Canary, Firefox Aurora, Opera Next etc etc are those developer browsers ?? If it is, I'm currently using OPERA NEXT will i unistall it ?? Coz i am not a developer (u also know). Finally, as i uploaded a file which is currently the most popular in Wikipedia i.e, File:VLC 2.0.6.png, will i use my brother's lappy to take a screenshot of Chrome (stable) n take a screenshot to post it in Wikipedia (i can also make it as popular as that VLC screenshot) ??HPD talk 12:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, excellent! I, however, had one colon at the beginning of mine, so you needed two. Anyway, no you can't install OS X. Macs come with a special bit of software to install Windows alongside it, and OS X has software built into its installation facility that stops it being installed on anything other than Macs. There is, at the moment, an up to date screenshot of Chrome already in place, so there's no need to upload a new one at the moment. When a new major iteration is released, however, feel free. drewmunn talk 12:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wot is "Template:chitchat" which has been created by u, is it an article to provide information ?? will i add anything to it ??115.250.207.26 (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a template for use on talk pages to help users who post comments in inappropriate places. At the moment, nothing needs adding to it, although I'm going to flesh out the documentation a little later. drewmunn talk 12:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh My God ??? Is my acount blocked ?? Why my signature is not appearing after message ?? I'm logged in.115.250.207.26 (talk) 13:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's probably just that your browser has lost the cache that keeps you logged in. Log in again and it will be fine. drewmunn talk 13:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thnx for d help, i'm logging in into twitter, if i will give my personal mobile no. to u there, will u call me ri8 now ??HPD talk 13:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't do that if I were you, it'll be publicly accessible. Also, I'm not in the habit of ringing people, especially as at the moment I'm working, so it'd be from my work allowance. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them (here or Twitter, whichever you feel better suits the question). drewmunn talk 13:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hav u got my message which has my mobile no. in twitter ? I'm going to delete that msg ri8 now.HPD talk 13:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've seen it, but as I said, I won't ring you because it'd come off of my business plan and international calls are hideously expensive. drewmunn talk 13:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One thing dat dissaponits me dat u r not replying anyting to me in twitter, why ??? r u also using dis for ur job (as in FB) ?? Again as u say dat international calls are hideously expensive, don't worry i will call u atlst for 5-6 mins at nignt (not now). U also give ur mobile no. and delete the message after 2-3 mins as i did.HPD talk 14:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't reply to you on Twitter because it seems to have issues sending me notifications that you've tweeted me. I blame their database structure. Anyway, I'm not going to put my mobile number up because it'll be publicly accessible, and no matter how quickly it's deleted, it'll be cached sow here by someone, and I'll start getting cold calls which are seriously annoying when you're a one man operation. drewmunn talk 14:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This too reveals dat u r also using Windows Vista - https://twitter.com/drewmunn/status/327521656476139520/photo/1

HPD talk 14:29, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Chitchat

Template:Chitchat has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. ViperSnake151 Talk 14:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that! Despite some quite extensive searching, I couldn't find any templates of the sort, appreciate you sorting this out. drewmunn talk 14:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NEW SEX

Created a nw sex. first tell will anything become wrong if i will view ur photos n videos in twitter coz i'm currently viewing all of those. Lastly u r caught dat u r also using Windows Vista by me - https://twitter.com/drewmunn/status/327521656476139520/photo/1 HPD talk 14:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WTF? --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have to agree, what's this about sex? Anyway, that was a client's computer. drewmunn talk 15:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems Himanis has used all of his download limit, so we'll have to wait for a while to see if he's created a new gender. drewmunn talk 15:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please be carefull User:HPD, using slangs in Wikipedia is strictly prohibited. I hope User:Sonicdrewdriver is very much friendly to you as that user spares all those vandalism you do. But most of the users will not tolerate this types of messages as your friendly user did. Yesterday you have mentioned User:ViperSnake151 as jealous in his talk page, your luck is good because that user tolerated everything that you mentioned regarding him in this talk page. Just think a little bit, if that user reports you along with your messages as a complain to the administrators, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Please go through this and remain civil from now. Don't try to contact me through this user. Hammer67 (talk) 06:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh My GoD

Why you users "Robsinden" and "Hammer67" are scolding me like i'm a shitt. What's gonna wrong with you guys ???

Robsinden - Don't you know how to message to another people in shortforms ?? Me and Drew usually gossip each other mostly regarding editing in wikipedia and sometimes regarding our personal matters. Then NEW SEX stand for NEW SECTION, i've created a new section in his talk page after the section added by ViperSnake151 because the "Reply" section has gone very big. Now you go and learn in Google regarding using shortforms. Some of the shortforms are -

U - You
Ur - Your
Den - Then
Dat - That
Nw - Now
Wer - Where

Ok ?

Hammer67 - Thanks for your notification, but who are you ?? Why have you created a new acount on;y to message me ?? Don't have the GUTS to message targeting me in your personal user ??

HPD talk 10:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drew - pls make everything clear so dat no one will come against me. PLS HPD talk 10:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've personally never heard of "sex" being used as an abbreviation of "section", it's usually "sect" "sec" or "§". Rob didn't really scold you, just asked what you were talking about, and Hammer was ensuring you remain civil when discussing other editors. Their intentions are good, don't get angry at them for it. drewmunn talk 11:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just found it amusing. Still smiling about it now :) --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Time To Moniter

20-25 mins before while i was listening to "You Want Me" a song of Justin Bieber, i decided to edit the article regarding this in Wikipedia. So, i've visited You Want Me article, there i found that there is no information except a redirecting tag to other page. SO NOW I'VE REMOVED THE REDIRECTING TAG AND ADDED SUFFICIENT INFORMATION THAT I KNOW. BUT AS U KNOW I NOTIFY U EVERYTHING I EDIT AND U OVERLOOK IT, SO HERE ALSO U MUST OVERLOOK AND EDIT THAT ARTICLE WHICH IS You Want Me.HPD talk 16:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know nothing about this subject, so I don't really have anything to say, other than it needs a lot more information. Individual tracks on an album usually don't have articles of their own unless they are highly notable, which I have a feeling this song isn't. On top of that, the redirect was in place because it was a much more notable song by another artist, so I expect the redirect will be re-established and the content you've added removed. Ask the contributors at WikiProject Music for their opinions. drewmunn talk 16:42, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Must See ??

Please take some time to see this pic - https://twitter.com/HimanisPinnu/status/343782505507336192/photo/1

And how to add a "talkback" in a user's talk page ? I mean that blue borderd notification which says "Hi xxx, You have new messages at xxxx's talk page" ??

HPD talk 17:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It looks... the same as it does on every other OS? Anyway, Talkback can be added by transcluding the talkback template. drewmunn talk 17:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it does in every OS, Thnx i got it i.e, how 2 add a talkback. But that page u mentioned i.e, talkback template, is a template which provides information how 2 add talkback. But what does urs created template i.e, Template:chitchat, does ??HPD talk 06:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To use any template, you transclude it (for instance {{talkback}} for talkback, but add the relevant parameters) or substitute it (ie {{subst:talkback}} again for talkback). My template works exactly the same way, although it turns out there's already one for the job. drewmunn talk 06:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New

Do u know, a beta version of iOS 7 has been leaked to the developers by the company Apple. But as u said u r a developer, why don't u try that OS ??HPD talk 10:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There has been no leak, it's officially available. I don't have an iPhone, and the iPad beta is not yet finished, so I'm unable to access it. Anyway, I'm not currently subscribed to the iOS or OS X Dev Center, only the Safari Dev Center at the moment. I'm a member of the Microsoft Developer Network, and that's where I get my stuff from, but Apple aren't Microsoft... drewmunn talk 11:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TIME to MaKe A GrEaT EdITiNg

I feel proud of myself that i've found a great mistake in most reputed article named United States, do u know in that country English is not the only official language there is also the presence of Spanish. I derived the information from Languages of United States, i saw that there is 80% English and 20% Spanish working. BUT IN THE ARTICLE IT IS WRITTEN THAT ENGLISH WAS THE ONLY NATIONAL LANGUAGE. Some other informations are also found on other articles i.e, in Texas, New Mexico, El Paso etc there is more concentration of Spanish.

So let us edit it, what about dat idea ??HPD talk 12:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really comment on that matter, I don't know whether Spanish is an official language or just one spoken by a large portion of people in the country. drewmunn talk 13:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the article n added "Spanish" as "Recognised regional languages", LET'S SEE WOTT HAPENS FURTHER.HPD talk 14:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In future, start an RfC if you're not sure. Wikipedia isn't meant to contain content that isn't sourced, so you should ideally find a site that lists Spanish as a recognised language, rather than a popular one. drewmunn talk 14:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My edit was suddernly deleted by an user Golbez, he wrote in summary that "if you're referring to spanish being official in a state, you at the very least omitted Hawaiian". Now wott do u mean by dis ???HPD talk 16:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. As I said, I don't know anything about the subject so I can't comment on it. I'm assuming they know something about it. Ask them for more information if you feel they reverted something that should have stayed in place. drewmunn talk 16:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok i'll ask them, now as i'm also o9 in FB currently, i got a favolus pic just check it in dis link and comment on how it is ?? - https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-h.ak/hphotos-ak-frc3/971749_481196548636435_213566046_n.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 16:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to my machine, that page is inaccessible or doesn't exist. drewmunn talk 17:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok leave it, btwn do u watch cricket ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 17:18, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't. I'm not that into sport in general. drewmunn talk 17:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I got a amazing picture in Softpedia, do u know in Windows 8.1 the library has been deleted, u just see the picture - http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Windows-8-1-Will-Remove-Default-Libraries-to-Allow-Custom-Ones-2.png/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 09:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really prove anything, and it's not notable enough for an include. As I've said before, changes to pre-release versions are common, and sometimes whole themes can disappear in nightly builds. Until it's officially announced by Microsoft, or evident on a public release, there isn't enough evidence to include it. drewmunn talk 09:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Your Attention Please... LOL

To, Drew Munn

Respctd bro,

Dis iz 2 inform u dat i've recently disabled the redirectng tag of Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare to Plants vs. Zombies and edited adding the sufficient known informatn. Coz EA announcd dat this game will also b d sequel 2 PVZ. Nd Plants vs. Zombies 2: It's about time is a sequel but it only for iOS.

So, as u monitered dat PVZ 2: IAT article, its my heartly rqst to to u 2 moniter PVZ GW also.

I sahll b highly obiligd if u do so.

Ur affectnte HPD

HAAAHHHHHHAHAHHHHAAHHH... LOL HPD talk 12:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look in a bit, my brain is a little fried at the moment. drewmunn talk 12:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to say but u havn't moniterd dat article till now - Himanis' Little Bot — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 13:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I'll look later. At the moment, I've got 10,000 lines of code to trawl through and debug, so I'm a little tied up. drewmunn talk 13:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

May i help u ??? In which article u r currently working, shett why my Bot signature is not working ??? - Himanis' Little Bot — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 13:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's not a bot, it's just you? And I'm not working on an article, I'm working on work; a Wndows application suite and database. drewmunn talk 14:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, concentrate on ur work nd aftrwrds moniter d article. Now, i want my name shud b signed as Bot like SineBot, RfcBot, Theo's Little Bot etc. Will i give my password 4 my acount 2 u in twitter so dat u can design my acount 2 functn lyk a bot ???HPD talk 15:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, never give your password to anyone. Also, you don't want it to function as a bot. They're designed to perform certain tasks, such as signing comments, cleaning up vandalism, etc, and are not 'people'. People create separate accounts that work as bots, and they must be cleared by admin before they can be used. drewmunn talk 16:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MY ACOUNT MY RULES, I havn't gave my paswords of Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter etc to anyone. As u helpd me a lot in bth Wikipedia and other cases inc. maths prbm, CGI etc etc, u r only permitd to use my wikipedia acount not other. But will i run a Bot ?? Or it is of no need ??HPD talk 16:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't give your password to anyone, no matter how much you trust them. Interception is surprisingly easy on almost any messaging platform, so not only do you have to worry about them mistreating your personal information, but the fact that anyone can get hold of it with a bit of patience and some cheap software. You have no need for a bot, they are used to perform actions hundreds or thousands of times a day. People don't just think "I'll create a bot today", they think "I need a bot to do something for me so I, or other people, don't have to do it." drewmunn talk 19:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pls Moniter

U HAV TOLD THE RI8 THING, WE MUST NOT GIVE OUR PASSWORD TO ANYONE EVEN IF WE TRUST THEM, I HAVN'T GAVE ANY PASSWORDS TILL NOW 2 ANYBODY.

Hence, i've told u to moniter Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare, but havn't. DO U KNOW BECAUSE OF SOME OF MY MITAKES I GOT DIS WARNING IN MY TALK PAGE, HERE IS THE MESSAGE

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NOW U TELL ME WOTT CAN I DO ?? WEN SUM1 SENDS ME WARNING, I BECOME ANGRYHPD talk 11:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I looked over the article, and earmarked it for assessment by the relevant body. I didn't check every link on the page, because that's tedious, I checked for redlines (of which there were none, well done!). The DPL bot found that you have linked to a disambiguation page, so it informed you, because most of the time people do so mistakenly. It's not a warning, just a pointer to the fact that you linked to a page you didn't mean to. Correcting it is simple, all you need to do is change the [[PC]] to [[Microsoft Windows|PC]] and you're sorted! Don't think everything is a warning or a threat. DPL bot is designed so users don't have to check the tedious, difficult things themselves. Almost every editor who makes major changes to the page will get a DPL bot message at some point, it's not a bad thing; I've had them a few times, and all that happens is I correct the mistake and delete the message from my talk page. drewmunn talk 11:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've assigned the [[PC]] to [[Microsoft Windows|PC]], lets see wot happens, nd is the informations in that article is correct or there is sumthng needs to be done ?? If no, i'll leave the article like that as i did in PVZ 2: IAT as per ur advice.HPD talk 12:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heyy, y hav u not replied 2 my above questn ?? Hence, do u knw i got a new tchnq 2 barnstars, lets play wid dem.HPD talk 10:00, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	This star looks fair, i wil find another HPD talk 10:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	This star looks quite cool. Now i'm adding the next star HPD talk 10:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But Sonic isnt an admin.... -- MisterShiney ✉ 13:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	This star wud luk cool if it will be fully colourd, hence now trying d next HPD talk 10:06, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	This 1 looks like a gold medal HPD talk 10:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	This star looks like our golden coloured five rupees coin. HPD talk 10:24, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you for all the barnstars! I've removed the one that doesn't actually apply to me (I'm not an administrator). Barnstars were introduced as a way of thanking people for doing something useful or productive on Wikipedia, and each one is a way of thanking people for different things. The Admin's Barnstar is for administrators who have performed a certain task or made a difficult decision. The Original is for good work, the Anti-Vandalism for ensuring only useful content remains (usually in heavily or persistently vandalised articles), the Diligence for scrutiny and community service, and the Diplomacy for those who resolve conflicts. I'm not sure I'm all of them, and it's customary for a single one to be selected, but thanks all the same! drewmunn talk 10:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wott ?? I thought the barnstars are used for playing. It is impossible to play in Wikipedia like in FB, Twitter etc ri8 ??HPD talk 10:36, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Playing? I'm not completely sure what you mean. drewmunn talk 10:40, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok leave it, i understood barnstars are used for thanking people for their work, in simple sentence earlier i thought those barnstars are for spreading happiness (thats wot i mean for playing). Yep, it seems that u r editing an article frequently now-a-days, which is iOS 7, i also work on that article, hav u seen ??HPD talk 11:31, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Your "leg"?

Hello, Drew.

Sometimes it is very difficult to understand HPD. Talk:IOS 7#Informations regarding Criticism says your leg has been pulled out! None of the metaphors that I know of applies to this case. The rest of the message seems to make sense at first, until I look at the article history and find no trace of what I understood from the message. Do you have any idea?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:55, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. You have received an Admin Barnstar? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know right! I've replied to his message at the iOS 7 talk page. Thanks, drewmunn talk 09:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Oh, was that case? I thought it was much more serious. I mean as long as your leg is firmly within its socket, a content dispute cannot be that bad. (Believe me, I know how it is to have one's leg dislodged.) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa, read the rest of this Talk page and all shall become as clear as a black hole. Gaze and despair! Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! o m g. etc — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 18:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for late reply, i was quite absent during these busy days. Yes, Lisa, i assume that you are not a Indian also you don't know anything about me, but i tell you that each and every Indian is bound to study atleast 2 languages at the beginning (mostly English and Hindi). As of me i know 4 languages i.e, Oriya, Hindi, English and Sanskrit. Anyways "Pulling leg" (Hindi: Tang khinchna) is a sentence used in Hindi, it usually means when a person pressurizes another person to do a particular work (as this thing happened exactly with Drew, hence when you said my message don't makes sense, it is hard to understand me, do you know in Hindi it can be described in one sentence i.e, Chotta muh, badi baath (English: Small mouth but big sentence), I'm sorry for you but Sach, Sach hota hai (English: Truth is Truth), ask Drew he will also say this. Also You had really did a wonderful and praising job by advising me to learn more English, because i can only speak fluent Oriya and Hindi but not English. Anyways you must not feel something bad on me, Ok ?HPD talk 12:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And Smuckola, you don't have any rights to say anything else regarding this talk page because whenever i get problem while editing in Wikipedia regarding uploading image, creating article, adding section in article etc, first i message Drew in this talk page, he advises me what to do or what not to do, finally i start working on those articles. Most of the works of mine you see in Wikipedia are done due to the guidance only. Last but not the least, i advise you to stop criticizing and start helping new comers as i also did once to Bryce.HPD talk 12:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm Back from those busy days

Hi. As i got admission in MPS BBSR as a college student of commerce, i will be busy in my studies, i have to slowdown editing Wikipedia articles and messaging you for a while. Of course! i may message you voraciously during my holidays.

So i edited my main user page and tagged {{Busyweekdays}} in it, i have also added much userboxes in reference to me. Also i have assigned a 'new smiley' to my signature by adding just a code in the last of my signature i.e, {{wink}}, Now u must add {{wink}} to the first or last of ur signature in HTML language, also don't forget to check my new made user page here.

Also as u said u r running Chrome Canary, i decided to download it today and test it, i saw Google has packed a new feature with it, pls see the picture- https://twitter.com/HimanisPinnu/status/348335705916841984/photo/1 and update urs to get the most of it.HPD talk 07:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, well done! I'm not going to add smileys; they have a purpose, and I think using them in every message is overuse. Secondly, Chrome updates every time it opens, so I've got the latest version anyway. drewmunn talk 08:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

THE COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT WILL MAKE YOU A MILLIONARE !

You had done a superb work by taking a screenshot of Visual Studio in Windows 8. Do u know the image which was originally posted by u i.e, File:Visual Studio 2012 EN.png, was currently assigned as main screenshot in infobox of Microsoft Visual Studio article. I have cropped, reduced the resolution of that image so that it will not violate any laws. NOW YOUR WORK IS TO TAKE A LOOK AND EDIT THE IMAGE IF SOME INFORMATION HAS BEEN MISSED-OUT BY ME.HPD talk 10:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, although it should be noted that the code shown is in fact VB, not C#. drewmunn talk 10:50, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously don't know nothing about that, coz i'm not in your job, it is your work then you must add additional information regarding it, unless u add sufficient information, the file may be orphaned (as i hope but not sure). So, edit that image and add as much information as u can.HPD talk

11:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All that needs changing is "C#" to "Visual Basic". drewmunn talk 11:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done btwn will i add anything else that stephan had added in the old image i.e, File:Vs2012 RTM en IDE.png, according to him the source code was copyright protected, now the question arises will i assign the work as copyright protected by you ?? I think it must be copyrighted because it belongs to your job as you have mentioned "the program that will make u millionare".

Anyways pls read this, it was assigned by stephan

"Source Code[edit] License for the source code displayed (DotNetWikiBot Framework): DotNetWikiBot Framework 2.100 - bot framework based on Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 for wiki projects Distributed under the terms of the MIT (X11) license: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php Copyright (c) Iaroslav Vassiliev (2006-2012) codedriller@gmail.com"

LASTLY IF U AGREE, UR E-MAIL ADRESS MAY BE REQUIRED.HPD talk 11:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The code itself is humorous, so I'm more than happy for it to be made available on CC license. I'll put a note on the image page, and if further proof is required, I'll give it when it's requested. drewmunn talk 12:01, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, now the work may be completely handled by you as i already left it. Anyways will i search for another file in ur twitter acount and upload it in Wikipedia like i did ??HPD talk

12:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free, although please note that I maintain copyright on most of my photos, so it's best to check with me first if I'm willing to release a particular work. Most of my photography work can be licensed through Getty Images, although commercial licensing is not suitable for Wikipedia. drewmunn talk 12:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I am surprised that you haven't set up and entire archive section for your new friend Drew. How you been? -- MisterShiney ✉ 08:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am thinking I might need a "2013 part II" soon! Anyway, I'm good (except for this blasted pollen that seems to have jumped at the chance to inflict misery the second the sun appears)! Work's been quite busy, so I've not been on here much, although I seem to be on top of it now. How about you? drewmunn talk 09:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MisterShiney - How can you think he is my friend even knowingly that Drew is very much elder to me ? He may be my bro, What about you Drew ?

Again, as i said that i will be busy with my studies, so i'm unable to reply to your message, yes the photos you have posted in twitter belongs to different licenses, but as u said me feel free, i searched most of those photos but i found most of them belongs to your personal experiment like Facebook images, Strawberry milkshake, how your home looks in autumn etc. You must post photos that are similar to that Visual Studio photo which i posted.

Also, have you watched the final (India Vs. England) of the last 2013 ICC Champions Trophy which has gone live in Edgbaston stadium in Birmingham, England on 23rd June ?? I've watched the full match in Star Cricket HD, do you know that India won the last and the final ICC Champions Trophy by defeating England by 5 runs.

Here is the score of both the countries

England - 124/8 (20 overs)
India - 129/7 (20 overs)

HPD talk 12:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I've said, I'm not into sport. As far as posting photos go, I use Twitter for social media, so I don't post images there thinking "that'd be good for Wikipedia". Unless you feel like creating a Strawberry Milkshake article, or maybe one on the seasonal changes to suburban environments in Hampshire, then my photos aren't going to be of much use. If something's likely to be useful on Wikipedia, that's where I put it (see my contributions here, here, and here, amongst others). drewmunn talk 12:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't get angry (as i predicted), England also defeated India many a times before this final match, anyways i may not create the Strawberry Milkshake article as the article already exists by the name Strawberry milk, now the question arises, will i post that image in wiki assigning to that article ??HPD talk

12:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's nowhere near high enough quality. My suggestion that it could be included was simply a humorous observation. Anyway, I wouldn't get angry about cricket; I don't watch it, follow it, and I'm not patriotic when it comes to that sort of thing. I'm completely indifferent. drewmunn talk . 12:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Strawberry Milk and Strawberry Milkshake are two different things. drewmunn talk 12:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that,i will get over those a bit latter, anyways have u monitored my new uploaded image which is of iOS 7 Beta 2 ?? It was assigned in iOS 7 article or u may find out here, File:IOS 7 Home Screen.png, hows it ??HPD talk

13:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen it thanks. My only issue is that it contains many copyright elements from different authors that aren't technically necessary for display, along with the fact that it may run foul of our WP:Software screenshots section on pre-release software if Softpedia isn't deemed to be a notable source. drewmunn talk 13:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lets see wot happens, anyways can i add additional information to it so that it will not violate any laws ?? Again, i saw i twitter that a cold caller is calling u n disturbing, who iz he ?? Also, i find dynammo (magical films) interesting.HPD talk

13:32, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's likely that the earlier one will be re-instated because of the multi-holder copyright issue, and the inbuilt reliability of it, and there's nothing you can do to change that. Anyway, it's just a cold caller, we get a lot in the UK. I put them on hold and see how long they last before hanging up. As far as Dynamo goes, he's a very bland magician, and I can work out how most of his tricks are done because they're fairly traditional ones wrapped in sparkles. I find illusionists like Derren Brown far more interesting, especially his work like Apocalypse and The Heist. drewmunn talk 13:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, Dynamo is a quite bland magician, therefore i watch his episodes sometimes, and yes, Derren Brown is a very good illusionist, i sometimes see his episodes in Discovery HD channel. Heehhhehh! we also get cold calls in India but they are not from the people, they are received from computer oriented programs internationally. Do u know, once if we will answer to their calls, it will be automatically rejected by the server and then a huge amount of money will be deducted from our account like Credit card, Mobile balance etc. Simply add those nos. into blacklists. Also, do u Windows 8.1 preview will be made publicly available by Microsoft tomorrow, as the Build Conference is going to be held. This tym it will be available in 2 platforms, firstly, it will be available in Windows Store (only for upgradation from Windows 8 systems) and secondly it will be available in .ISO file (for clean installation). So i advice u to install that OS then take snapshots of different softwares and tweet me or post them in wiki in their respective articles, finally i will look over them.HPD talk

14:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll download it only if I feel it is a stable enough platform, and then I'll spend a day or so running diagnostics on it. I never just download that kind of update without being sure it will support my framework and not disrupt my ongoing work. I'll also only post an image if the EULA doesn't forbid it; although many people break such terms, it's not in my best interest to get banned from the developer program. drewmunn talk 14:48, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Why ??

When i visited Ludopedia's user page from ur talk page, i saw a new code that explains the time, date, no. of articles in English Wikipedia and the no. of users online. I planned to use this in both of our user pages. So, i did mine work, u may see here. Then when i added that in your user page, it was suddenly removed by u without reason. Why ?? Don't u like it, IT SEEMS VERY COOL. ;) :) HPD talk 15:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was nothing to do with the delete; in fact, I was blissfully unaware any editing had even occurred until now. Having read Rob's reply, I see that you've been told about editing in the user namespace, so I won't cover that again. However cool it looks, I don't really want it on my page at this time; the stats are available on the English Wikipedia page if I need to check them! drewmunn talk 15:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is MSDN ???

Do u know Windows 8.1 is out now, but till now it is only available as an update in Windows store for the people those who run Windows 8/RT. As u already know that i'm using Windows 7, so i cant update like this way, i can only deploy that OS into my laptop if there is a ".ISO" file, but the file is not currently availablr in Microsoft's own site.

Hence, i searched in torrents i found this link which has the file i.e - http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8617941/Windows_8.1_Preview_-_en_-_%28x86-x64%29

I remain confused, so i commented on that torrent that "Microsoft has not released the ".ISO" file for installation yet and this may be fake"

Suddenly an user in that site tagged me and said "it is a MSDN iso"

Now, i must ask u what is that ?? U may visit that site and read all cmnts, and yes my user name in that site is "maha609", read my comments and don't get confused, OK ?HPD talk 10:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MSDN is the Microsoft Developer Network. It's what developers sign up to for access to the tools and certificates needed to develop applications for Windows. I'm part of it, and according to my account, the ISO files aren't yet available, but will be within 24 hours. drewmunn talk 11:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, "nikita200" a user in that torrent site also told me the same thing, she posted a link on comment box of that torrent page, as i redirected to it, by searching, i found that the .ISO file has been released. But how can u say that it will be available within 24 hours, it is available now. Go to the below link and see

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/#searchTerm=&ProductFamilyId=511&Languages=en&PageSize=10&PageIndex=0&FileId=0

HPD talk

13:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because I'm in the UK, not the US. Mine is also now available, but only in the last hour or so. drewmunn talk 13:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shett ! I'm unable to download that, i created a new acount, signed in, after that it says this thing -

"There is no subscription associated with your Microsoft account. Add a subscription to this account."

Please do something to download, cant u post a link for downloading and after that delete this section ??HPD talk

13:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not breaking my MSDN contract and risking action being taken against me by posting a copy of the file anywhere. I signed a contract with Microsoft, and if I break it, I risk losing access to the tools I require for my job. drewmunn talk 13:40, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, ur wish :) Now i have only 1 way to download that file that is from the torrent site using BitComet. Hence, i will get back to u soon after installation. :) HPD talk

13:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's entirely your choice. drewmunn talk 13:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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My Money, Time all gone in vain :( :'(

Hi. As i said above i will download the OS from that torrent file, i have made it on the go, now it is stuck at 59.1% which is 1.57 GB completed out of 2.60 GB. Do u know, to complete upto this, it has taken 20 Hours 53 Minutes and 48 Seconds. Hence, i've controled it with my patience.

But, today 6 mins ago i've visited the original Microsoft site which allows us to download the ISO file directly i.e - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview-download

Note: Before today perhaps, the site used to say "ISO files are not currently available and it will be acailable later"

But now it allowed people to download the ISO file from that site (u please visit it now, u will also feel the same).

I'M REALLY SHOCKED AND NOW PERHAPS I'M CRYING, COZ IN THE MICROSOFT SITE THE ISO FILE OF THE OS IN "English 32-bit (x86)" IS 2.8 GB, BUT THE FILE WHICH I'VE DOWNLOADED FROM THE TORRENT FILE IS 2.60 GB.

ALAS! I HOPE I'VE LOST ALL MY TIME AND MAY BE MONEY COZ 1.57 GB MAY COST Rs. 200 ALL AOUND INDIA THROUGH RILIANCE LTD.

PLEASE FIND SOME INFORMATION AND TELL. I'VE CURRENTLY LOST ALL MY HOPES. :( :( :( :(

I THINK MSDN AND OTHER SHITTS ARE FOOLS COZ THE FILE IN TORRENT MAY NOT BE FALSE AS I'VE SEEN THE SIZE OF THE FILE IN THAT MSDN SITE WHICH IS ALSO 2.60 GB.

HPD talk 18:01, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, MSDN are not fools. I am part of it, and believe me, we are the most knowledgable people when it comes to anything to do with Microsoft. Torrents are simply people seeding files of dubious (and almost always illegal) origins that are potentially riddled with viruses and spyware. They were the risks you ran when downloading a torrent, and you can't say you didn't expect something dodgy to happen one day. I can't personally comment on the matter in hand, not having seen the two files in detail (I have downloaded 8.1 from MSDN, but am yet to install it), but it's possible that they are other builds, or that a different rounding was used. It's more than likely that the torrent contains extra, nasty code that you don't want, but that's one of the risks of downloading illegally! drewmunn talk 18:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Im new to Wikipedia-Editing and like to be corrected. It's good, that you've revert it. Thank you. --Tcrosen (talk) 11:36, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, if you need anything else, just ask! drewmunn talk 11:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ask me also :) HPD talk

11:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Please Help Me :'(

Finally u came to know that i've already downloaded and installed Windows 8.1 Preview, I guarantee u that this also cud not save Microsoft from speedy declining. Anyways, everything looks fine but I'M IN A WORST SITUATION.

AS U KNOW I'M USING 3G DONGLE FOR INTERNET WHICH IS INTEX 3.5G SPEED V7.2, IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IN WINDOWS 8.1, IT WAS ALSO NOT INSTALLED IN WINDOWS 8 "AS U KNOW MY BRO RUNS IT".

I INSTALLED THOSE DRIVERS IN COMPATIBILITY MODE BY SELECTING "WINDOWS 7", THIS ALSO FAILED. I ALSO SEARCHED MORE 2-3 DAYS IN THE INTERNET REGARDING THIS MATTER BUT I CANT FIND ANY OF THEM USEFULL, I'M CURRENTLY IN CYBERCAFE.

PLEASE HELP ME, I'M INGR8 DANGER NOW, I'VE TO COMPLETE MY ASSIGNMENT AND TILL NOW ITS NOT TOTALLY COMPLETED, THOSE ASSIGNMENT CARRIES MARKS AND OFFERS PROMOTION.

I ALSO CAN'T EVEN SWITCH TO WINDOWS 7 OR ANY OTHER AS I DON'T HAVE THE BOOTING FILE OF THEM.

PLEASE HELP ME.HPD talk 13:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's not much I can do to help, sorry! When installing a preview update or OS you should always ensure you have the ability to roll back. I personally clone my hard drive so I have a bootable version ready in case I need it. Downloading previews of software, especially an operating system, is not without risk, and Microsoft clearly state the risks involved with installing 8.1. You can see why I perform such stringent checks on my system before I install now, and my only suggestion is that you find someone with installation media for 7. You will have the product key, so you just need the corresponding media to install it. Also, what do you mean by "I guarantee u that this also cud not save Microsoft from speedy declining"? drewmunn talk 13:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm yet to tell that, sorry for late reply as my time was over in that cyber cafe, anyways do u know Microsoft has removed all the default inbuilt graphics driver signatures which was included in Windows 8 and earlier versions (especially more in Windows 8), that's why people prefer Windows 8 coz it detects and installs the graphics drivers automatically in respect to the hardware, but in Windows 8.1 it isn't, which will make people annoyed, so they will start disliking it.

If u r running Windows 8.1 now, please right click on "This PC", then click on "Manage" option, the "Computer Management" window will open, then click on "Device Manager" option, when it opens, collapse the "Display Adapter" group and see, i assume that there it will be "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter", right click on it, select "Browse my computer for driver software" option, then select "Let me pick from a list of device drivers from my computer", at last un-check "Show compatible hardware" AND U WILL FIND THAT THERE IS NO INBUILT DRIVERS FOR OTHER COMPANIES (AS IT WAS INCLUDED IN WINDOWS 8) EXCEPT MICROSOFT.

Thats y i told that "I guarantee u that this also cud not save Microsoft from speedy declining".HPD talk

13:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there are no drivers yet, this is a pre-release! I take it you've not had experience of pre-release OSs before, but you don't get anything beyond generic drivers for the most part; these are developed either by, or alongside, the hardware manufacturers, and aren't ready for the developer preview. That's why the previews exist; for companies to make drivers. drewmunn talk 13:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, U r correct i haven't had much experience but ive tried Windows Developer Preview nd Windows Consumer Preview. Anyways my problem with that 3G USB dongle has been resolved successfully, Ive contacted the dealer who served the intex dongle to me, he said that he had already received many complains regarding this matter and provided me a site to download latest drivers, it is - http://www.intextechnologies.com/webpages/download-driver.aspx

At last my prblm solved, ive downloaded the correct driver i.e of 3.5G Speed Datacard v7.2, i installed it and it works fine now.HPD talk

14:08, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's a reason that even the publicly available betas include a large warning stating only advanced users should install, and even we know we have to run serious checks before installation. drewmunn talk 14:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, answer to my question which i tweeted u in twitter, secondly, pls monitor a new screenshot of File Explorer which i'm going to post in Wikipedia.HPD talk

14:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any chance I could see this screenshot, or do I have to guess its contents? If it's taken in 8.1, and is meant to replace one taken in 8, you cannot do that. The most recent stable release (which is 8) is the one that should be used to depict, and screenshots taken in preview builds should only be used where examples of the difference needs to be illustrated. For instance, the Microsoft Windows main screenshot should be of 8, not 8.1, and a screenshot of 8.1 may only be included as illustration of the beta release, not as a replacement. drewmunn talk 14:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, u r right, and answer to my question qhich i tweeted u.HPD talk

15:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have literally no idea, although the name gives some clue... drewmunn talk 15:15, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A DISASTER RECENTLY HAPPENED

Do u know when i set to edit Google Chrome article for assigning my new uploaded image i.e, File:Google Chrome Metro Mode.png, when i clicked on edit option, a disaster happened infront of my eyes.

See the image and u'll automatically understand wott happened - https://twitter.com/HimanisPinnu/status/352331633375977472/photo/1

Thanks god that there is a "Edit source" option between "Edit" and "View history". Otherwise we would had say bye bye to Wikipedia.HPD talk 07:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's called Visual Editor, and it's been around for a while. It was rolled out across English Wikipedia to all users on July 1st, and it's meant to make it easier to edit without learning too much Wikimarkup. However, if you don't like it, you can disable it by checking the top box in the Editing section of the Gadgets tab in your Preferences. drewmunn talk 07:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to disable it, coz i wanna see how it works, newez ive uploaded 2 screenshots of Google Chrome in the respective article i.e 1st image in the infobox and the 2nd in the "Metro version" section.HPD talk

09:52, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Make doubly sure when using Visual Editor to check your edits don't break anything; it can be slightly buggy in some situations. Once you've saved an edit, check the article over to ensure it does works correctly still. drewmunn talk 10:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, but i'll use it frequently coz i enjoy more editing articles using wikimarkup as it develops my knowledge in HTML, anyways hav u visited Google Chrome article to check my uploaded files ?? See the image in the infobox and the image assigned in "Metro version" section.HPD talk

10:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've seen them. drewmunn talk 10:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Need Your Help

As u know i'm currently a college student, today our teacher advised us to prepare a project on "The foundations of counting numbers", i literally have no idea, but i know that in brief the teacher had given us the question "in which country were those counting numbers like 1,2,3,4.... originated and who is the founder of those ?"

Do u know nething else about these, or is there ne articles in Wikipedia ??HPD talk 13:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have little knowledge of the history of such things, but the following may be useful"

I know that certain aboriginal tribes only understand the number 1; they have no idea of anything above that. I believe I got that fact from The Story of One, a documentary on the number.
The article Prehistoric numerals may be of interest. Remember, when writing reports, you should use the sources in the Wikipedia article to cite as references, not the article itself.
Similarly, the article on the Tally stick may be useful.
Finally, try Numerical digit and Positional notation articles.

I hope that's helpful! drewmunn talk 13:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, this is wot i need, only some points r required, which i can freely do it, n yes i will mention wikipedia as a reference, thnx a lot.112.79.36.129 (talk) 15:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's the opposite of what I said; don't list Wikipedia as a reference, list the sources it cites. drewmunn talk 16:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Did the entire work yesterday ni8 n today signed it by our teacher. Newez create an article by the name "iWork for iCloud Beta" coz gonna upload this file - https://twitter.com/drewmunn/status/352380446669156352/photo/1

HPD talk

13:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That screenshot would not pass the Fair Use requirements, as it is not necessary to demonstrate the content of an article. Also, any content on iWork for iCloud would go on the iWork article page, not have a new page. drewmunn talk 13:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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July 2013

Your recent editing history at Batman Begins shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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He came to my talk page as well, I told him about the discussion... should be the end of it. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:23, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hang on a sec, I told you about the discussion, not vice versa.~~ Also, apologies for 4 reverts, I miscounted due to a differing 1st summary. drewmunn talk 07:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, misread that and hadn't seen your talk page, thanks for straightening things out! drewmunn talk 07:15, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I Need U

I need ur help, cud u please enlarge the resolution of this image - https://twitter.com/HimanisPinnu/status/353818262515109888/photo/1

?? Wana make it as profile picture, i tried to enlarge it in Paint.Net but it says "Bicubic" will be used n if i confirm it, the image becomes blurred :( :(

HPD talk 16:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how much you understand about image editing, but you can't make an image larger than its original size without exponentially losing resolution. You'd need a larger source image. drewmunn talk 16:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Monitoring

U might be knowing that VLC v 2.0.7 has been released worldwide, as it was made available, users are going on assigning screenshot of the latest version by uploading new ones or replacing my ones.

An user has recently replaced a new image on my uploaded image i.e, File:VLC 2.0.6.png, but it was soon reverted by another user (pls take sometime to see it).

Another user has also uploaded a new image tagging it as it is completely his own work even if it contained copyright materials, it was soon reverted to the old ones by me in that article.

I SILENTLY WATCHED THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES. Finally, i decided to upload a new image playing a short clip from Tears of Steel (a Blender project) in Classic theme.

So i did it, now as u know most of time i commit mistakes (especially in this), i request u to see it and add sufficient infos so that it will not be tagged as deletion. Anyways the image is in this link

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VLC_Media_Payer_Screenshot.png

HPD talk 15:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a more detailed look later but first you need to consider this: did the interface change between 2.0.6 and 2.0.7? If not, then there was no need to add a new image. The caption does not need to state the minor revision code; "VLC media player 2.0" would suffice, or even "VLC media player 2". Minor revisions almost never bring a new UI, and as such do not require listing in the caption, or a new image to be uploaded. drewmunn talk 16:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that, i originally have no intention to upload a new image, yep, there is no diff in the UI. Actually the inside components was changed from 2.0.6 to 2.0.7, but wott can i do, i found little disturbance in the article i.e, upload of images unresistingly by other users. So, i uploaded the image to cool down the problem. Hence, wen u'll be free, monitor that.115.250.72.138 (talk) 17:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to upload a new image to resolve it, just revert it back to the one you previously had. Explain why, and change the caption to remove the minor version. drewmunn talk 17:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wot shud i explain ?? Sory! but i cudn't understand wot u said.115.250.1.13 (talk) 05:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's clear this up, shall we? When 2.0.7 was released, no new image was required. If people added a new image, and it was acceptable (it met all the guidelines), then it should have been left. If it didn't, then it should have been reverted to the 2.0.6 image, and you should have explained to the uploader why you removed their image, and why no new image is needed in the edit summary. The caption for the image doesn't need to list the minor revision number, as this is not necessary. I will remove it in a second. drewmunn talk 06:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

U hav made it clear, DEN Y ASKING "SHALL WE" ?? K, its ur vsh! But is the license and the Summary of the image is correct or not ?? HPD talk

17:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have altered the caption, and the summary is fine as it is. drewmunn talk 17:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Broadchurch Edits Deleted

I don't know what was wrong with my awards and nominations section for Broadchurch? You cited dodgy grammar/poor sources but looking at the historical entry I don't see anything wrong with it compared to other similar sections on various TV series pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.12.236 (talk) 13:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it wouldn't take that much to get it up to spec, but there are some things that need addressing for it to be suitable. There were a could of grammar issues, but they're besides the point (and I would have fixed them if they were the only issue). However, the mirror isn't a particularly reliable single source to go with, and so your content edged on the rumour/questionable-future side of things. If you can cite two or three highly notable sources that all propose Coleman for an award, then it would be acceptable. If not, you could add the table in without that part. The choice is your's, and I'll lend a hand if you want me to. drewmunn talk 14:00, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't quite understand because the online paper was just reviewing the film and predicting her for an award, it's not like a fact they have to verify, it's just a critical opinion? I also posted a link to Huffington Post, is that not legit?

The Telegraph also predicts her to win here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-and-radio-reviews/10011343/Broadchurch-final-episode-review.html

And an online critic does so here too: http://www.cultbox.co.uk/reviews/episodes/6741-broadchurch-episode-8-review

Maybe I could re-word it to say critics and bloggers? Also did the table need sources too then? From what I checked others generally don't use them... but any help would be great, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.12.236 (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The table is fine without sources; linking to the relevant awards is all that's really required. My personal suggestion, so as to avoid any issues, would be to not yet add in the section regarding the statements made about Coleman, and start a request for comment on the talk page to see what other people think the best way to word and cite it would be. drewmunn talk 08:19, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I got an invitation.

Today i saw that i got an invitation to join WikiProject Microsoft, Please go to my talk page (here) and tell me what shall i do to join it. Also say wot responsibilities should i have to take ??HPD talk 10:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the biggest clue is given in the invitation: "Add your name to the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Microsoft/Participants and/or add the userbox {{Template:User WikiProject Microsoft}}." As for responsibilities, WikiProjects generally just look after a set of pages, and help editors find pages that they may wish to contribute to. They also ensure there is consistency across such article. You may be asked to help out on new articles, templates, or guidelines, and be invited to join discussions on project-wide or article-specific issues. drewmunn talk 10:49, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did exactly wot u said, newez i've also added ur name along with my name, COZ I THINK THAT WE BOTH MUST THE MEMBERS, wot do u think ???HPD talk

11:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing my name, thanks. You're only meant to add your own name to WikiProjects; it's up to each user to decide which projects they are members of. I may join in the future, but I focus more on my work in the Film, Computing, and Apple projects. drewmunn talk 11:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Moody's additional question

Hello drewmunn, thank you very much for addressing my requested edit on the Moody's Investors Service article recently. Just moments ago I have posted a single follow-up question (click here) about how best to conclude the pararaph. Please let me know when you have the time. Many thanks in advance, Mysidae (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've replied there. Any more questions, feel free to ask. drewmunn talk 20:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the fast reply. I see your point, so I will leave it where it is. Mysidae (talk) 21:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Moody's Investors Service ??? What's it ???

I saw u and an user Mysidae are discussing and editing an article by the name Moody's Investors Service, i hoped to helm u and Mysidae but i failed, as i don't know anything on that, what's that ???HPD talk 05:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's an article I did some work on. drewmunn talk 06:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm back!

So, i got a leave from school for today only.

Newez i decided to edit something after a long break, so i gone to iOS 7 article, there i saw that my uploaded image has been reverted to the Beta 1 image. U r right, the screenshot contained apps of other companies, so i searched for image which will respect the guidelines, i found this site giving the perfect image - http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/RDMAAMXQhpdRym53/$T2eC16R,!yUE9s6NFGibBRym52sQHg~~/iOS-7-Beta-UDID-Devices-Registration-Activation-Apple_57.jpg

I've edited it and uploaded to Wikipedia, i.e, File:IOS 7 Home Screen.png, is it right ??HPD talk 07:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, hello again. Unfortunately, the same issue exists in the second image as did the first; non-Apple apps were visible. I have reverted back to the original image for now, to ensure no copyright issues occur and the image guidelines are met. drewmunn talk 07:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, Firstly i reverted to my uploaded image as u haven't replied me, as now u said I've reverted it to ur work. Why u don't download n install the Beta 2 in ur iPad ?? The situation would have been totally clear.HPD talk

07:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's go though this again, shall we?

Beta 2's no longer available. We're up to Beta 3, with Beta 4 slated for release today.
I have plenty of third party apps on my iPad, and I'm not rearranging my home screen for the sake of one image.
As with Microsoft, Apple's pre-release EULA forbids developers from uploading or sharing screenshots of their software. I am not risking the loss of the tools I require for my job just to upload an image for you; that would be beyond stupid.
As with our previous discussions, the Wikipedia guidelines for pre-release screenshots forbids user-generated screenshots.

Does that clear things up? drewmunn talk 08:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First thing, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMETIMES U THINK THAT I GET ANGRY BY DOING THOSE UNPAID WORKS LIKE EDITING IN WIKIPEDIA ?? Secondly, I don't want that image, but Wikipedia wants it, BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING U KNOW THAT I WANT OUR WORKS TO BE POPULAR IN WIKIPEDIA AND MAY BE OTHER SITES So why u said above "just to upload an image for you". Thirdly, i don't know that Beta 4 is gonna release today, may be. Finally I Think Different "See my userbox", therefore only i used to edit articles by thinking it in different ways, i don't know weather u think like me or not. Yep, that message made all clear.HPD talk

11:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're getting angry, but note that these conditions, as I've listed above, apply to multiple images you've asked me to upload. I edit articles in line with the guidelines, which may involve going against convention, or it may not. This is not of consequence here, however, as it's simply a matter of a contract I am bound by, and the guidelines and laws we abide by. drewmunn talk 11:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that! Nw wot we shud do now with that article iOS 7 ??HPD talk

12:21, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Windows 8 wording about desktop and apps

Hello, Sonic.

I was looking at this revert of yours and I wondered whether you did it by mistake. I might be wrong but your edit summary does give such an impression.

So, we might have to have a little chat about this. The message that I and ViperSnake wanted to deliver is: In Windows 8, desktop is treat like a Windows Runtime app (I mean a Metro-style app). It can be snapped and switched to with Windows+Tab ↹. The catch, however, is that all desktop apps are also treated as part of the desktop itself: You can't just snap OpenOffice (desktop app) to one side and Reader (Metro-style) to another side. But if you open e.g. Skype, OpenOffice and File Explorer on the desktop and snap desktop to one side, the mentioned apps move along with it.

How do you think we can best deliver this message?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lisa! I reverted because the statement as was made little grammatical sense. The sentiment was correct, but I was in a bit of a hurry so I replaced the faulty grammar with the first (if most general) caption I could think of. Thanks for picking up on it! drewmunn talk 17:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is Windows 8.1 is a program ? What do you think ?

One thing i must tell u Wikipedia is getting bored day-by-day for me. After a while when i opened my Wikipedia acount, i jst found a message, please read it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Himanis_Das#File:Windows_8.1_Preview_Default_Start_Screen.png_listed_for_deletion here/

When i redirected to the page, i found that C said Windows 8.1 as a program, please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2013_August_7#File:Windows_8.1_Preview_Default_Start_Screen.png here/

Also don't forget to read my message also.HPD talk 13:45, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The use of the term "program" was a misnomer, but the sentiment stands. The images doesn't show anything that couldn't be described in words, so I think the delete request is probably correct at this time. In the future, when 8.1 is released in GM state to the public rather than as a trial software, then a screenshot may be used. For now, it's not that necessary. drewmunn talk 17:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The actual term is "unreleased program", with "unreleased" being the distinguishing component. I used "program" because

If you take it a screenshot of an OS: an OS is a computer program too
If you take it a screenshot of Start screen: some people think Start is an individual Metro-style app
If you take it a screenshot of an update pack (service pack or feature pack): they are also computer programs

Eventually, however, the update pack, its new Start screen and the resulting new OS are all "unreleased" – having not reached RTM.

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't cross my mind, really, but true! See Springboard, Explorer, and all the other shells... drewmunn talk 18:41, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please don't badger me about not replying on every forum you can access me; if I don't reply here, it's probably because I'm otherwise engaged. In this case, I was out of the country. Sending me messages asking me to reply to messages elsewhere just means that I have more to trawl through on my return, and believe me, the less extraneous junk I have to filter through, the better. drewmunn talk 11:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Skyfall edit

Hi. I noticed that you reverted my latest contribution to the Skyfall article. I'm not quite sure what you mean about the one sentence being "bloaty." Basically, I added it because I didn't think that the two paragraphs were well linked with each other. At the end of the first, Bond is in England and only has the knowledge that Patrice is in Shanghai. But, then in the next paragraph, he is suddenly in Shanghai fighting with Patrice. I think that someone who hasn't seen this movie may be somewhat confused by the choice of sentence structure here. Is it possible, this could be reconsidered? I would love to hear any suggestions you might have on how I could improve the sentence I added. Thank you for taking the time to read this post. Sincerely 108.95.130.150 (talk) 10:33, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm certainly open to suggestion. The reason I made the revert is that the plot is quite long already; it's at the top end of the plot length. The sentence you added opened the floor to quite a bit of inane detail being added back in (we've had some issues in the past with this sort of thing). However, something along the lines of "Bond travels to Shanghai" would probably suffice. Patrice's manner of death isn't that necessary, in my opinion, so you could look at balancing additions out by thinning that down to "Patrice dies". drewmunn talk 11:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Windows 8.1 RTM (File Explorer) screenshot

Waaah!

Recently i saw a screenshot unveiling the File Explorer of Windows 8.1 RTM. It is really amazing! Please see the screenshot by clicking on this site - http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Check-Out-a-Windows-8-1-RTM-File-Explorer-Concept-2.png/

As per Microsoft it will be released within 2 weeks ahead, i'm eagerly waiting, aren't u ???HPD talk 17:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is not an unveiling screenshot. As the article says, it's a user mockup of what they were expecting to be possible. It's a bit like the work I've done on my concepts page. I developed a design of a possible iPhone upgrade, but it doesn't mean that's going to be the next iPhone, just what I'd like to see. drewmunn talk 20:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that! I saw the concept image of the iPhone u designed, everything is fine but I find it quite unacceptable as solid lower panel which carry the "Home Button" bellow the touch screen panel is quite expanded downwards and curved. Why do u spend ur valuable time in making those concepts even if u r dam clear that the phone would not going to be the next iPhone ?HPD talk

09:57, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because I enjoy product design, much the same as I enjoy editing Wikipedia. Anyway, the 'chin' is actually a tad smaller than the current one (if I remember rightly, I can't be bothered to find the CAD file now), just highlighted. drewmunn talk 10:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about the RTM ? It seems that the pre-RTM has been released revealing no extra features but only bugs of the previous preview release were fixed. I thought this screenshot would be a new feature but it isn't (as said by u), do find any other webpages other than Softpedia revealing the features of the RTM or anything else ?HPD talk

16:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you think an RTM is for, but it isn't meant to add new features. All features should be part of earlier beta releases, the RTM is simply Microsoft saying they think they've fixed most of their bugs. drewmunn talk 20:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Hi. Earlier i used to have no idea about what are did in RTM. But when i saw a lot of changes from Windows 8 Release Preview to RTM, i realized and got a bit of idea. Currently u may be using Windows 8, do u know those new features that were currently different from Windows 7 and other subsequent previews were introduced to Windows 8 in the RTM stage only. The final stage (what were sold now-a-days in market) had only fixed bugs from RTM.

Some of the changes are that were unveiled in Windows 8 RTM were
- New default mouse cursors (non-aero)
- Solid colored title bar with no transparency
- Renaming of "Windows Explorer" to "File Explorer"
- New Start screen designs

ETC

Is that clear ? But currently there were no information regarding changes from Windows 8.1 Preview to 8.1 RTM.HPD talk 12:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a developer, I know the changes, you don't need to explain them to me. 8.1 RTM is 8.1, the RTM stands for "release to manufacturers". It means Microsoft think they're done with any major changes and bug fixes. There will be no major changes from now until launch. There are inherently no major changes since the last preview of 8.1. RTM is not a new OS, it is a series of patches. Do you understand that yet? drewmunn talk 12:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whitworth University

Hello,

I do not know how to remove the white background and I also do not have Photoshop on my computer. Is there anyway you can do that for me please? The article is about Whitworth University — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jovan92 (talk • contribs) 09:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly; when I'm at my desk later today I'll do it for you. drewmunn talk 10:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lee

Sorry its not clear at all! I click on the links you send but can't see ant edit button? What does it look like. If it's the pen icon I click on doesn't open a box for communication and for some reason GSK keeps coming up as a default else where and I've already annoyed him and have no idea how I even got to him? Even here you say leave a message below and there's not box to do so. Go Ness knows how I got where I have in writing this a I keep going round and round in circles before I can even write something!

Thanks for trying to help. Its really frustrating and confusing and not sure why, is it because I am using a mobile and icons are hidden?

Is there a link of a 'how to' for all of this?

Cheers

Lee

Lee Moone (talk) 11:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can find a how-to for you. For now, you should see an edit option next to the large word "Lee" at the top of this section. A similar option will be present on the discussion at the sonic screwdriver page. drewmunn talk 12:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Sorry For Late, as i was suffering a lot due to my pc on those days.

As u said earlier, i know that u r a developer but the situation is about what r the changes made from Release Preview to RTM of 8 not 8.1, anyways now it was clear that 8.1 RTM will not bring any heavy changes except fixed bugs, new design for start screen, more help tutorials.

OK LEAVE IT

Do u know, due to a useless and fucking computer virus named Hublea.f I HAVE DOWNGRADED MY OS FROM 8.1 TO 8. Currently I'm using Windows 8.

Days ago i asked my friend to give me GTA 4 (a game). So, when he copied that game from his hard disc (which was full of dangerous viruses), my PC started to operate like a tortoise, at that time i wat us nosing any antivirus (coz of 1 GB RAM).

Actually Windows Defender detected it but my friend turned it off because of the crack.

Hublea.f is a very dangerous virus that I've ever seen, once it enters the device, it suddenly spreads like Cancer and affects each and every software files that were present in one's PC. It also activates even if one changes his OS from one to other.

So due to slow performance, i changed my OS into Windows 8. My God after installing all the drivers for the OS, even Windows 8 started to run like a tortoise, but within that i downloaded Quick Heal Total Security 2013 and also i was successful to install it. Just after i installed that, it pop-ed out a message Your system is affected by Hublea.f. Please perform a full scan after it.

Did a full scan, it repaired all the software files in my pc, some software files were found to be deleted. But fucking virus was unable to delete even after installed Quick Heal.

At last my antivirus promoted to run a Boot Time Scan, it was deleted forcefully by Quick Heal during Boot Time Scan.

AHHHHH GOT FREEDOM! Now i was able to use my Laptop like earlier.HPD talk 13:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You do realise you could have resolved all of those issues by formatting your disk during the 8 install, don't you? drewmunn talk 13:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What ? I couldn't get u, I have 3 Hard Disc Drives, one of them is reserved for Windows, the other are only for personal use which contains musics, games, videos etc, I do cutstom installaion of any OS I use, I only format the "Windows" drive during the setup process and then click next on it and the installation caries.115.250.141.102 (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, and if you've got your system correctly set up, you can clear out without it affecting your OS or applications. Then you can remove it from the other drives and format them. drewmunn talk 15:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm, it could be done also, but at that time my mind was fried up, anyways are u currently running Windows 8.1 ? Have u ever heard of "Hublea.f" virus ? I hope u don't have any experience in computer viruses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HPD (talk • contribs) 04:26, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm currently using 8, as I've done all the testing I need on 8.1 for now. And yes, as I've worked with Windows for many years, I've had my fair share of viruses. I've never come across hublea, but that's not surprising, given the number of possible infections. As I no longer download anything on Windows other than the software I get from the development kits from Microsoft, I don't generally put myself in a position where I'm exposed to them, and all my email reading and other risky activities take place in OS X, which is far less likely get viruses, and more protected against them anyway. drewmunn talk 07:40, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, So u use Windows 8 only for developing/testing and not for other purposes. That's fine, but as u said OS X protects more from viruses also it is less affected by viruses. Can i run OS X in my HP G62-455TX ? Will u wish to supply me a copy of installation file/disc ? I can manage all the risks that are going to happen further.HPD talk

17:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I've said countless times before, OS X is compatible only with Mac hardware. drewmunn talk 22:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

knightmare on wall street (deletion)/help

Hi, I'm trying to improve this article and save it from deletion. What do I need to do? I think I already fix the problems that you mentioned. Thanks in advance. Martin CamposMartin raul campos (talk) 17:53, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I've stated in my entry at the deletion nomination, the subject itself isn't notable at this time, so it's unlikely to survive the process. I'd suggest taking a copy into your sandbox, and working on it there so as not to be disturbed by the page being deleted. Should the topic become notable in the future, you will then have a copy of the page to use for re-introduction. drewmunn talk 20:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ANOTHER PROBLEM ARSED

Yep, u r true, OS X only runs in Mac devices.

But do u know, since i installed Quick Heal, my internet connection became slow than ever. Firstly, when i inserted Aircel Sim card, it indicated that the data was able to send but was unable to receive, but was running well in other devices except me. Next, i inserted BSNL Sim card, it allowed the internet to flow but as slower as compared to tortoise, i cant even access Facebook properly and as of Wikipedia, only Log in page along with ur talk page was getting to load forcefully, within that I'm typing. Please Help Me.

Secondly, even i set my power plan to "High Performance", it is still becoming slow at time when i listen to songs while browsing internet or playing videos etc. What to do ?HPD talk 09:59, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know I'm right, that's why I said it. Also, you'll find that tortoises are in fact very fast if they want to be; comparing your slow internet speed to a tortoise is an oxymoron. My personal suggestion would be to try reinstalling Windows. I know you've already done it, but then you've riddled the clean install with viruses and potentially suspect removal tools. drewmunn talk 11:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! So if i reinstall Windows 8, every thing will be all clear, right ?117.197.238.203 (talk) 13:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Story of a Small Town

Merger of Small Town Story (song) was reverted. So I created another discussion. Feel free to comment in talk page. --George Ho (talk) 06:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whitworth University again

Hello,

Thanks for changing the logo into a png with a tranparent background. Can you please do the same with the school image i posted at the bottom of the info section? Thanks 94.230.179.78 (talk) 11:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, although it won't be as clean an alteration as the logo, as there are artefacts in the background of the image. I'll do it in the next couple of days, depending on when I get back to my desk. drewmunn talk 11:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

from TORTOISE to WATER

Waaaah well done, ur personal suggestion was absolutely right. I made a clean installation of Windows 8 again by replacing the old ones. I downloaded the latest drivers of some hardware and installed it. Currently it is working smoothly and the internet is even fast enough.

Thanks again for the suggestion.HPD talk 10:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Magic! Also, water can be very slow, so that is another unfortunate choice there; glaciers move at around 0.0002ms^-1 compared to tortoises, whose maximum speed can exceed 2.2ms^-1 (over 10,000 times faster). drewmunn talk 10:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Why don't take some time to delete untidy and useless message sections which are created by me to scold other users or boring messages (including fake barnstars), u may also delete all the messages in ur talk page. It seriously looks untidy, please delete those.HPD talk

11:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do what I want with my talk page, thank you. I've got quite a bit of archiving to do, but I'm currently rethinking my archive method, so for now, all content here will remain here. drewmunn talk 11:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jamoats of Tajikistan

Hi. i created some article about Jamoats of Tajikistan by [www.untj.org/files/minutes/Food/List_of_Jamoats.xls this source]. but the list is giving a 404 error (Not Found) in past, i downloaded this list and i have it now. Can i upload this list in archives site and use it in wikipedia? This article created in some wikis, befor. Thanks Darafsh Kaviyani (Talk)‍ 12:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Licensing

Today i randomly went to OS X Mountain Lion article to check what's new going on there. Then i saw a new image has been tagged, saw it and lastly i found that it has been uploaded by u, File:Notification Center Mountain Lion.png, i took a look at the license, i found it unsatisfactory, so i updated the license which will not violate any copyright laws.

Lastly, if a image contains any icons of copyright organization, add the section as "For other logos" in the Licensing section and add {{PD-textlogo}} <br/> {{Trademark}} in it. OK ?HPD talk 17:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I reverted. I know what I am doing, and the tags you added were wildly incorrect. None of it satisfied the PD, as far as can be seen. You're right in that a trademark notice is needed, and I'll add this correctly in a sec. drewmunn talk 17:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jolly good, Oops! Currently my News app updated with a fresh new news, it says that US and UK along with France are trying to attack Syria, ITS AMAZING, do u have any idea why this wars are going to begin ? Check it in ur News app now and tell.HPD talk

17:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The UK parliament blocked any British military action in Syria (and I agree with that decision), and the President of the United States will be petitioning Congress for permission to send troops there. I don't know about France. It's all because of alleged actions taken by the Syrian government against their own people (gas and incendiaries). drewmunn talk 18:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

David Frost

This is NEWS to you? to remove Cameron and keep in some non notable nitwits comment? Please explain that?!(Lihaas (talk) 20:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)).[reply]

"quick to offer his tribute" was what led me to delete it, followed by the fact that it meant nothing as far as encyclopaedic value goes. I didn't see the other comment, but that too doesn't really need to be there. drewmunn talk 21:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article Feedback Tool update

Hey Sonicdrewdriver. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 21:48, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New barnstar found

Before i used to think that there were only presence of those barnstars which were present in the "Wikilove" option. But, by googling randomly, i found this one too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sohambanerjee1998/Autograph_Book

Take a look over it. It might be violating wikilaws, isn't it ?HPD talk 17:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, there is no such thing as a "Wikilaw". There are guidelines and pillars, but no "laws". Secondly, there is no reason it should be in contravention to any of our guidelines; the user offers a Wikilove message to anyone signing their page of contributors. There's nothing wrong with that in any way. drewmunn talk 17:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Dark Knight Rises, re: kidnapping or seduction?

Dear Sir,

Before you revert my latest edit restoring "Selina Kyle ... seduces a congressman" in place of "... kidnaps a congressman", I would like you to please look at that article's Talk page, where I've addressed you by name, and explained that, like Selina herself in the beginning of the film, the ground beneath you is slipping. You're running out of reasons to justify use of the term "kidnap": There was no force involved, nor were we ever shown any "copious amounts" of drink or drugs, nor was a ransom ever demanded. Selina slipped into the man's limo, and he couldn't have been happier about it! The man followed Selina around of his own free will, because she's a hot mysterious woman who knows how to turn men on.

Put it this way: Selina wouldn't have had to drug ME to get me to follow her around and lend her my cell-phone . . . would YOU need to be drugged for that?

If there's some scene I somehow missed (and I don't believe there is), in which we SEE the congressman being forced, cajoled, encouraged, etc., to do drugs and drink a lot, please just give me the DVD timing, and I'll check it out for myself! And God knows, if I'm wrong, I'll admit it and apologize!

As I mentioned on the article's talk page "reading between the lines is NOT for Wikipedia."

Please don't just keep mindlessly reverting my edits. Go to the article's Talk page, explain to me your latest "kidnapping" rationale (they sure seem to change a lot!) and we'll get some other people involved. No one user owns this article; no one user may single-handedly impose his imagination upon a clearly-written screenplay.

Thanks for your time.

--Ben Culture (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll reply on the talk page. drewmunn talk 19:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Yep. U r right, there is no such thing as "Wikilwas". Also, the users can provide Wikilove according to their wish (as i read in that).

Do u ever heard of the mobile phone and services company named Nokia ? I tell u, when i was of 3 years old, i found Nokia as the largest maker and seller of mobile phones in India, even world also.

Today, that company faced so losses that it was bound to sell its entire division to Microsoft. What now ? As Microsoft is currently considered as collapsing and deteriorating company, Noika may save it, as hoped. I've added information along with correcting the sentences in that article Nokia.HPD talk 04:42, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I've heard of Nokia; they were once the largest mobile telecommunications manufacturer in the world. And yes, I know Microsoft have bought out their mobile division. Google bought out Motorola Mobility, though, and their Nexus phones are still nowhere near as popular as other Android devices. drewmunn talk 08:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

You know, I'm sorry for quite a few of the things I have said to you. Things that were unnecessary and insulting. I deleted some of them; I hope you don't mind my "re-writing history" that way, but I was ashamed. I also left some things in because I didn't want to disrupt the history that much. And I left some things in that you'd probably rather I hadn't, because I still do believe them. And I probably overlooked some things too.

Not to re-start the fight, but I really don't understand why it is you won't just say, "Yeah, okay, that thing about 'copious drink or drugs' was just speculation on my part." What is so hard about that? I make mistakes and admit to stuff like that all the time. It's not a big deal. It's not like you're gonna get in trouble for it, or anything!

As you might imagine, I'm not happy with the way the poll is going, because people are answering the question "Do Selina's actions amount to kidnap" by basing their answers on what the police do and say. I believe the question is phrased perfectly; I could not have asked for better wording -- yet they are not answering that question! These answers must be based on Selina's own behavior. Don't you think so?

The poll is probably not going to go my way, when I know perfectly well that I'm right, because I just don't have the social grace required to lead. I have reached out to individual voters and tried, as nicely as I know how, to gently convince them to change their vote. My efforts were rewarded with, frankly, mind-numbing drivel like "The film itself says she's a kidnapper" and "If you are saying she was falsely accused, that is Original Research". I feel like I'm surrounded with . . . Wikizombies? Has anyone used that yet?

You are probably a pretty reasonable person, and I thank you for not slapping me back harder, after some of the things I said. Things I am sorry for. You could have flamed me to ashes if you'd wanted to, and probably no one would bat an eye, but you haven't. Don't think for a moment I don't notice things like that!

I'm not going to pretend I like or understand this Greg person -- as far as I'm concerned, he only confused the whole mess with a lot of links that were less than relevant -- but it was dumb, unnecessary, and wasteful for me to get hostile with you. You just didn't deserve it. I only wanted you to stop reverting my edit. I didn't want an All-Day War! So, again, I apologize for my part in it.

As you can see, I have asked to either re-start the poll with stricter requirements, or else that answers based not on Selina's actions be stricken -- but I don't expect to get either of those things. Not to compare you to the most worthless U.S. President in history, but personally, I feel a lot like Al Gore in the election of 2000, right now. How little it means to be right; how worthless it is to be smart. And I'm sorry.

Sincerely, --Ben Culture (talk) 23:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your apology; I'm glad that you are willing to work towards a civil outcome in this dispute. I don't personally have much more to say on the matter, although I would point out that you were correct in your point about him not drinking alcohol in the scene in which I inferred he did. Having re-watched it, I see that my memory was mistaken. This is then where it gets a little fuzzy, but I would still argue he was in no fit mental state (if he was, he would be willingly aiding and abetting a criminal). However, this isn't something I particularly wish to get back into at the moment (I've got clients to see today) so I'll leave it to the other members of the discussion to decide whether they feel a re-poll is worth it. I'll weigh in on the matter again this evening, and see where it's got to. Thanks again! drewmunn talk 06:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation

Comment something by supporting me in my RFC added in Nokia's talk page.HPD talk 12:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done drewmunn talk 12:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, so Microsoft has only acquired its mobile phone sector. U mean to say the acquisition of all the subsidiaries and services like NSN, Navteq etc are to be done, right ?HPD talk

12:49, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They are only acquiring the mobile sector, just as Google only acquired Motorola Mobility. drewmunn talk 12:51, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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