Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/100% Hell

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 09:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

100% Hell

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AfD template was placed on page, but rest of AfD process was not completed, so I am helping out. The editor placing the template had, in an edit summary, written "Fails notability for albums". JamesBWatson (talk) 21:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Necrodeath per standard practice. Can't find evidence this album meets WP:MUSIC, but band may be notable (allmusic.com entry hints at professional reviews existing).--Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete 1) WP:OR the article is original research, there are no references. 2) why is this album notable? Fails WP:NOT not notable as an album. Fails WP:Pokémon test just because necrodeath has an album, does not make it notable. Wikipedia is not a catalog of non-notable CDs. kgrr ^talk 00:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep album of a notable band. Dew Kane (talk) 05:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- That is not the current standard for inclusion. Please read WP:MUSIC#Albums, singles and songs. — Satori Son 15:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect to Necrodeath. Notable band, but I couldn't find significant coverage of this album.--Michig (talk) 07:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The only reasons given for "keep" are "band may be notable" and "album of a notable band". However, nobody has produced any evidence of this notability (the band's Wikipedia article has been tagged since March 2008 for independent sources). The onus is on anyone wishing to keep an article to produce evidence of notability, not just to say that it is notable without any evidence. Also note that one of the "keep" comments only says that the band may be notable. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added sources to the Necrodeath article and removed your PROD, which I don't believe was in any way appropriate (PROD is for articles that are "uncontestably deletable", which that article clearly isn't). It could still use more but I believe the band is sufficiently notable. I found sources indicating notability before I stated above that the band was notable. The onus is on all editors to look for sources to determine whether the subject is notable (and ideally cite them in the article). --Michig (talk) 12:16, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment Well, we now have some sources given for Necrodeath, which is better than just a statement that they are notable without evidence. However, all but one of the references are to sources which are not independent (the band's own site) not reliable (www.allmusic.com, where anyone can submit contributions) or does not mention Necrodeath (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=136826). The evidence of notability is not by any means convincing. Also, even if this were accepted as evidence of notability of the band, it would still be a step short of showing that the album has enough notability to deserve its own article. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are mistaken regarding the Allmusic bios and reviews - all are written by professional staff. They are not user-editable. The Blabbermouth article mentions Necrodeath on the second line and verifies Flegias' membership of other notable bands and his real name, which is what it's there for. They also had a review from Italian site Kronic.it [1], which is on one of the album articles - again this looks like a reliable source. Given the general lack of sources on the album articles, it may be better to combine them all into a discography article - album titles, tracklistings, labels etc. are all verifiable.--Michig (talk) 17:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Having Cronos from Venom on the album alone makes it notable, given Venom's influence on metal. LuciferMorgan (talk) 10:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.