Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1935–36 Maltese FA Trophy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Maltese FA Trophy. Since the keep arguments here are "more sources presumably exist" rather than "here are some good sources", I'm coming down on the side of "redirect", but consider it a close without prejudice - as soon as anyone recovers some of those sources and wants to spin this back out, feel free. asilvering (talk) 23:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1935–36 Maltese FA Trophy

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I moved this to draftspace, but it was moved back unsourced. Of course, a WP:BEFORE search would prove difficult, at best, for events that happened in the 1930s. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Malta. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy – Impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 08:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 08:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This 2016 article proves this can be verified, and that the competition was "worthy of note" by 1936 standards.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SportingFlyer (talk • contribs) 00:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per SportingFlyer. Malta was a crown colony in the 1930s and had a few newspapers then, Gazzetta Maltese (Italian) covered sports, Times of Malta founded in the 1930s covered sports, I don't know how complete this List of newspapers in Malta is, however, there are still ways to search the old newspapers then. So a true WP:BEFORE can never be done until someone has actually reviewed these old publications. Is wikipedia going to very strict and delete what is in essence would be classic archival of historical season results for this tournament? I ponder that as, this kind of article is what I believe the WP:Football project should be creating. Govvy (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy I tried the alternative of draftication due to similar concerns of my own (but with a more deletionistic bias), but the article sat in draftpace for a few days and then was moved back unchanged. The creator had "articlecountitis," attemping to make similar unsourced articles rapidly, but has since stopped. Of all those articles, I think this one is the only one which has any hope to be kept; hopefully, if that happens, either you or SportingFlyer adds the proper sourcing and summarizes it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 10:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are several of these at AfD at the same time, all created by one user. The main problem with them is the complete lack of sourcing, and we're not in a position to find one. They also contain some errors. If an original source had been provided, none of these would be at AfD! These are difficult sources to track down, they shouldn't be on us to find, so I don't really care if some are kept and some are redirected, but I do want to make the point that these should be eligible for articles. SportingFlyer T·C 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SportingFlyer I'm of the view that redirects are cheap, in part they are a good deal easier to revert than an outright deletion (basically, I'm a deletionist, but at my core, I'm a redirectionist/mergist). I'm okay with redirection or being kept but with sourcing as well. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - contemporary coverage of this historical event. Nfitz (talk) 19:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I closed the discussion on 1936–37 Maltese FA Trophy as a Redirect outcome but this AFD shows more support for Keeping these year's trophy article. Can someone do a source assessment (if there are reliable sources)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: There's one main source, which is a modern article on the trophy. I can't do any more research on this, but the fact the article is that detailed and written years later, along with the knowledge this is a major trophy (for Malta) shows that a historical source search should bring up more information. SportingFlyer T·C 03:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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