Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 AFC U-22 Championship squads

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The result was no consensus. Nakon 02:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2013 AFC U-22 Championship squads

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Recreated article after being deleted by PROD. Unsourced list of players, with no prose. Fails WP:NOTSTATS and bordering on WP:LISTCRUFT. Previous consensus not to have lists of players here & here... JMHamo (talk) 12:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per WP:LISTCRUFT, consensus is there is no need for squadlist articles outside of major senior international tournaments. Fenix down (talk) 15:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Fenix down:, where has the consensus been reached ? Those two links above by JMHamo are for not very well known friendly competitions. TheBigJagielka (talk) 15:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well there is this, this and this for junior / minor tournaments organised by FIFA confederations. The issue with these, beyond WP:NOTSTATS, to my mind, is that players who play in these tournaments are not considered inherently notable per WP:NFOOTY so, as in this instance, you end up with a load of redlinks, many of which may never result in WP articles. As such, aside from simply being a data dump, the articles are not even particularly useful aids to navigation. Fenix down (talk) 11:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as LISTCRUFT, no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 13:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The competition itself is notable, so the article for the squads is notable as well, just like we have for every other competition. See 2013 UEFA European Under-21 Championship squads, 2013 African U-20 Championship squads, 2015 South American Youth Football Championship squads, etc. Not sure why this particular article is being singled out when we have squad articles for literally every competition. TonyStarks (talk) 04:43, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Please refresh your knowledge of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and see the AfDs now noted above. To my mind, all those you note should be AfD'd as well. Fenix down (talk) 11:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep' - It's generally common practice to have competitions organised by FIFA and confederations to have their squads listed on a stand-alone article. Those mentioned above (excluding the SAFF U16 Championship) should be reinstated (though I personally don't care about beach football). Ideally, we'd compile a list of all U17-U23 competitions organised by AFC, CAF, CONCACAF, OFC and UEFA and put their 'squads' article up for AFD. This way, we won't have these regular exchanges. Incidentally, the 2015 edition of this competition is now the Summer Olympics' qualification tournament. TheBigJagielka (talk) 11:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The AfDs above illustrate consensus that non-senior tournaments do not need their own squad articles. The argument that others should be reinstated is not relevant to this. What guidelines / consensus are you using to support your opinion? Fenix down (talk) 12:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam ^Sing! 10:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom, and agree with Fenix down interpretation of Wikipedia:Listcruft and that it fails WP:NOTSTATSBOOK.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and add referances: Notable tournament which can benefit from having the squads listed out. No other squad list has been singled out for failing WP:NOTSTATSBOOK and I can't see how this fails either. Inter&anthro (talk) 17:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Inter&anthro:, @Davykamanzi: please have another look at the discussion, examples have been provided which show all such articles for non-senior FIFA or confederation organised tournaments have been deleted in the last couple of years. Also, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Fenix down (talk) 13:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Fenix down: but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not means alone for deletion either. If another reliable source can be provided and the article therefore passes the WP:NOTSTATS requirement I personally can see no reason why this article should be deleted. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:33, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I agree with TonyStarks and Inter&anthro; the tournament itself is notable, lists contain names of notable players and no other squad lists for other youth tournaments have been picked out for failing WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. Can't see why it should be deleted. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 20:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per TonyStarks ,Davykamanzi and Inter.Notable Continental tournament Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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