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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 03:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

50/50Innertainment

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:COMPANY. Unable to find any secondary sources to support notability. The sources cited in the article are mostly primary (interviews). This source seems promotional or self-published. The company is mentioned here. Completely non-notable entity. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC) Magnolia677 (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]


You can not self publish articles on MTV.com or AXS.com http://www.mtv.com/artists/502f50innertainment/ or http://www.axs.com/colorado-hip-hop-artists-stryker-mft-of-50-50innertainment-become-co-s-112155 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johny5000 (talk • contribs) 17:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Johny5000: Can you please tell me which sources meet Wikipedia's Reliability guidelines? Also, can you please sign your posts using 4 tildes? Thanks. Exemplo347 (talk) 18:12, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I am new here, just trying my best and thank you for the help. Here are the sources, You can not self publish articles on MTV.com or AXS.com http://www.mtv.com/artists/502f50innertainment/ or http://www.axs.com/colorado-hip-hop-artists-stryker-mft-of-50-50innertainment-become-co-s-112155 . These pop up online and you cannot become a contributor to the site which is owned by the companies.Johny5000 (talk) 18:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You definitely CAN self-publish on the MTV Artists pages. To quote from the page itself: This site contains content from artists, fans, and writers from around the internet in it's natural form. As for the article at AX.com, it only mentions the name of the company in passing - it's not an article about 50/50innertainment - Wikipedia requires Substantial Coverage in Independent Reliable Sources which currently do not exist for this company. That doesn't mean that there can't be an article about this company in the future - it just means that it's too soon. Regards Exemplo347 (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
on MTV it is not possible to sign up for an account. When you say This site contains content from artists, fans, and writers from around the internet in it's natural form, MTV's contributors seem to get the content themselves from what they see as factual, you cannot contribute it to them. AXS.com is a highly reputable source and owned by AEG , one of the largest Record Labels in the world. You can not become a contributor to their site, you must work for them personally. AXS.com article for 50/50innertainment shows proof of ownership for the Record Label ,shows proof of who 50/50innertainment have worked with including a highly reputable video they posted. Also since this Wiki was created in passing it would only be right to show 50/50innertainment in the past. Johny5000 (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite simple - you need to provide more sources. I'm not going round and round in circles with you. Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline requires, as I've already said, substantial coverage in independent, reliable sources. If you are unable to locate them (and I've already spent 10 minutes looking without success) then that should speak for itself. Exemplo347 (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Okay will do sir, in all do respect though There are other pages with less sources and less reputable sources that are still around, I have given you two examples of highly recognized sources and recognition by one of the biggest Record Labels in the world and are following Wikipedia guidelines for GNG "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Johny5000 (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And can you provide more sources, like I've already said, or can't you? Exemplo347 (talk) 18:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am new to this site and trying my best sir, when you look up 50/50innertaiment there are over 70,000 Results when you use the omitted option. It is showing more links so will take time to go through all the pages with over 70,000+ Links to them. Johny5000 (talk) 19:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you search for the subject of this article in the "News" section of Google you get zero results. Exemplo347 (talk) 19:03, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's odd because on Firefox I am getting 80,000 Results and Google Chrome over 70,000 Results when I look up 50/50innertainment Johny5000 (talk) 19:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Very Odd Indeed Exemplo347 (talk) 19:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed you clicked on just the news section in the searches which doesn't show all of the results and plus your Google says Google Uk, I am in America. When you search like that in specifics it doesn't show the impact that the Record Label has online and all of the SEO it provides. SEO means Search Engine Optimization, not all images and links are placed to the news searches of google because people look for a subject in it's fullest form when looking online. Also since you're not in America my searches might be different than yours, sorry I have a college degree in SEO so get into depth detail sometimes and seems like a different language to others. Johny5000 (talk) 19:30, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The news section is where reliable sources are generally found - incidentally I've found the same Zero results after trying from proxy servers located in 10 separate countries. Have a look at articles for other producers or music industry professionals and you'll see what I mean - they are backed up by sources that meet Wikipedia's Reliable Sources threshold. What I suggest, going forward, is that you look for sources that aren't self-created (not social media, vevo, instagram etc.) and attempt to improve the article. I've made my point here a few times over & I see no reason to keep on repeating myself as you're just bringing up the same two sources repeatedly. Exemplo347 (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked in searches for other artist in the news section and you only pull up about 00.001 of the results for them as well sir, plus looking up on a Different IP address does not always give you the omitted results.By doing this you are not giving the Record Label the full coverage for themselves only going off what you see. Besides their impact online you have to take into note how they have impacted their community and genre in real life.One thing to understand is that Google's knowledge graph doesn't pull up all the information at once and has to be formatted in which takes time, it could take up to a year or longer. Johny5000 (talk) 21:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP:NOT in fact applies since it's a clear advertising and the accounts involved are all advertising, regardless of what could be said. SwisterTwister talk 18:25, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep when you say it's clear advertising that is what media outlets do, they advertise and distribute material they find as factual and Thisis50.com is a highly recognizable source for Hip Hop media online. User Exemplo above seems to be using different Ip addresses when looking at the internet and Wikipedia so it's hard to say what he is noticing since he is located in the UK and using different ip address to look up sites, as stated above. The User Johny 5000 has stated above reputable sources and the disputers are not giving clear consensus or proof of their findings, only opinions on how things should be found. I noticed this online so figured I would post it here, this company is owned by 50Cent and only people that work for this business can contribute works that they find factual. http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blogs/50-50innertainment-bio-and-featureThetempoglass (talk) 02:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:27, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - No reliable sources among the provided references, nothing better found. --Finngall talk 02:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep please show how these sources are unreliable and proof of how to sign up for the sites to publish your material yourself. I see no way of doing this while your on their sites. Listed on the 50/50innertainment page are some of the entertainment industry's top leaders listed in the links so I see them as reliable sources. The people marking this as delete are not giving enough consensus and proof , only their opinions on what is reliable. Thetempoglass (talk) 02:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:27, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Duplicate !vote struck — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as promotional dreck. Subject isn't notable. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not seeing enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show it passes any of the notability guidelines. Onel5969 TT me 19:14, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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