Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abby Marshall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. JForget 02:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Abby Marshall

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Having 2200 Elo points at 18 and being a a Woman FIDE Master is nothing notable, even for a female. Once she becomes a Woman Grandmaster she could become notable, but for the moment she is not. SyG (talk) 12:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have not quite decided yet on this one. In most cases when a chess player winds up on AFD it is someone I've never heard about, but in this case we are dealing with a Chess Cafe columnist who writes The Openings Explained [1]. While I agree that a WFM title by itself is not much grounds for notability as a player, being a columnist means that this is not a clear cut case. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Having Googled for some more sources, it appears that Ms. Marshall has been covered in international chess publications [2] and local non-chess publications [3]. I'm calling this sufficient for the general WP:BIO and WP:N and saying keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment All of the other chess players that have been AfD are people I had never heard of either. I have heard of this person from a few sources. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 03:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And for what it is worth, in the Feb. 2010 Chess Life, she is pictured on page 27 (playing in the 2009 World Youth Championship) and on page 29 is half a page she wrote about new female players. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 19:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep she has accomplished so much as a young adult and for female chess players. Even if you do not think she is the greatest chess player she is still a writer and authors need a wikipedia page lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.170.55 (talk) 06:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree that Marshall's rating and title do not in themselves make her notable, but her being the first female to win the Denker is a major accomplishment. Also, she is sufficiently covered in both international press and national, as shown by Sjakkalle. Grand Mattster 15:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, her articles for Chesscafe and USCF make her notable. I would have called her notable even without that, but her career as a writer is just further proof of her notability. Grand Mattster 21:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Neutral - This article fails notability of a person WP:BIO and as a chess player WP:ATH. The columnist aspect as it's not in the article and so has no source. So unless some reliable source for a columnist is forthcoming then it is a delete. SunCreator (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. But Sjakkalle has just provided a link above that shows she is a columnist for ChessCafe.com, a respected chess website. If I go and add it to the article now will you change your mind?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sorry, should be been clearer. I was looking for a source to show a notable columnist, something to meet the notability of WP:BIO of say a writer or WP:ANYBIO but found nothing of significance. I take it from your comment you believe a columnist at ChessCafe.com can be notable just for being a columnist at ChessCafe? SunCreator (talk) 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn my delete on the grounds of the new information about playing in the U-18 World Youth Chess Championship. SunCreator (talk) 01:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The Denker Tournament of High School Champions is a national championship, a prestigious, invitation-only event, and being the first girl to win it is a notable achievement. Plus she has some published work as a chess author, albeit mainly online so far.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- I believe the idea was notabilty was from representing your country at a national level. So we(me at least) are looking to find something comparable to representing your country at the Olympic Games or World Championships. I don't think a High School Champions counts. If she took part in a Women's Chess Olympiad or achieved something in a World Junior Chess Championship or World Youth Chess Championship that would be notable, but there is no sign she has. SunCreator (talk) 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We're at one delete, one neutral, and four keeps. Are we done? 205.122.213.2 (talk) 20:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is clear that there will be no consensus to delete. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 21:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.