Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Dair SC

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I find the 'delete' arguments to be far stronger regarding our policies on inclusion, notwithstanding any potential issues regarding sockpuppetry etc. Daniel (talk) 02:12, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Dair SC

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Fails WP:GNG. The club is only a third-tier Iraqi club which, apparently, has never played in the Iraq FA Cup. Database websites such as Soccerway.com and Global Sports Archive don't have the club. Not even Kooora.com includes the club in their database, and they usually even have very minor teams (they only have a similarly-named Bahraini handball team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:40, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I did not understand where the problem is in the article. Is writing an article about a club that plays in the third division prohibited? Can you explain more? Saimari (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saimari: Please read WP:GNG and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I read the topic in the link you are referring to, and I did not understand what the error was in the article, where exactly is the error, please explain that. Saimari (talk) 22:37, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saimari: The article fails point 1 of WP:GNG (it lack significant coverage). WP:INDISCRIMINATE states: "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia". Just because the club exists, doesn't mean it merits a Wikipedia article. There is barely anything to be said of the team. Not even database websites (which on their own aren't enough to confer notability) have the club. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources were mentioned in the article, the first includes respected Iraqi clubs, and the year of its establishment, including this club, and the second source represents a press article on a well-known website about the preparations of this club in the second division. The real problem is the poor press coverage of the first and second divisions in Iraq, not the club's reputation. Anyway, I don't see a good reason to delete the article.Saimari (talk) 23:09, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, we each have our own opinion. This is why I opened a discussion for deletion; other users will also voice their opinions based on the comments above. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 23:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Saimari are there any more sources available? At the moment, nothing offered shows significant coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does this harm the admissibility of the article? I previously presented that there is a weakness in the news coverage of the first and second divisions clubs in Iraq, to the extent that it is called in Iraq (Dawri Al-Mazalim) meaning: The oppresseds league, because the press in Iraq does not care about this leagues, and does not report any news about it. But most of those clubs are old and some were Premier League champions in previous years. I think that having two sources in the article is sufficient for now, and that other people can cooperate to develop the article in the future. Saimari (talk) 16:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saimari: The issue is that it doesn't seem that there is any room for improvement for the future. For the clubs currently in the Iraqi 3rd tier who have once played in the 1st tier, there is not problem. Al-Dair specifically doesn't seem to have ever participated in the first division. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nehme1499: Why do you rule this out, Newroz was a third-tier club two years ago and was not even known, but the team this season was promoted to the Premier League (first-tier), and the article that wrote year ago here was a very small article with only three sources and was accepted, and I developed it a few days ago, see it here. Saimari (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 16:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - whilst I appreciate that there are reasons why significant coverage doesn't exist, unfortunately, without coverage, there shouldn't be an article Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:08, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment holy moly ive never seen a page this short Esaïe Prickett (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not delete I see that Saimari gave good reasons not to delete the article. Moody2019 (talk) 12:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per GNG fail. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:51, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not delete There are many articles in Wikipedia that have been accepted in this way, and the reasons given by Saimary are acceptable, and his discussion is logical. Admosb (talk) 13:01, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not delete - the reasons he mentioned are reasonable, the article can be developed later instead of being deleted. Sambein (talk) 14:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Developed with which sources? If there are sources showing notability, please share Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently Saimari began developing the article, and adding sources. I think that any article can be developed if we cooperate on this and think of building instead of demolishing. Sambein (talk) 23:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sources added are two Facebook posts and a local Basra match report. None of this establishes notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is not local match in Basra, but an official match in the Iraq second division. Sambein (talk) 23:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It clearly says on several occasions that it's the Basra league and has no mention of being Iraq Division One, which is the 2nd tier in Iraq. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:08, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should know that the second division league has several stages, the first stage is a local stage, then the top teams from each group qualify to play in the final stage in the qualifying round. Sambein (talk) 15:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The club is not notable and there is barely any coverage, and definetely not enough significant coverage. --SuperJew (talk) 08:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - closing admin may wish to note that there is an investigation taking place regarding some of the votes in this discussion, which itself has been disrupted once already. The result of that investigation may well affect the consensus of this AfD. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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