Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alejandro Alcondez

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. —Sean Whitton / 10:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alejandro Alcondez

Non-notable actor. Article was speedily deleted in July for being "G11: Blatant advertising: Article about an a real person, which does not assert notability (CSD A7)". At the time the article was written by the subject. I don't notice any significant changes in the new article. Article includes phrases such as "it was then that he knew that acting was his passion", " he had several dreams that one day he would work along side him", "It's Mission is to bring happiness and smiles to all children in the world. Our Belief is that 'United we make a Better World' 'Unidos Hacemos un Mundo Mejor' words of wisdom by Alejandro Alcondez.' CyberGhostface (talk) 23:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Awful style is not a reason to delete an article. Lack of notability is. The IMDb listing at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1565807/ suggests that he is notable, but I would normally expect to find more hits using Google News and Variety.com. --Eastmain (talk) 00:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello Thanks for the input I realize that the article Is not all completed, and I want to thank you for pointing out the phrases that seem personal (will take them out) this was cause took the info I found from the Web and some websites of this actor, according to his profile on Imdb he has made a lot of films in the past. Can't find much info on the news because his work has not reached mainstream media in the US, but I know he is widely know in Mexico as a Actor from the 90's and recently in a few other Films. I would appreciate if you can suggest what to avoid and what too include in this article to make it better. PS. Some of the actors listed have worked with him in a soon to be released Film Called "Cielito Lindo" according to what I've read in the IMBD database http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1565807/ Cgomez007 (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - What suggests that these films on IMDb are notable? Remember that unlike Wikipedia, IMDb has no requirements for notability, these films could have been low-budget films on limited release without importance. Nothing to the contrary has been established. -- Atama ^chat 15:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. IMDB is good enough for me.Wikigonish (talk) 05:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There are a number of non-notable actors and films on IMDB.--CyberGhostface (talk) 14:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:ENTERTAINER defines what is required for an entertainer to be notable. It's important to remember that the roles an actor has must be in notable films. While I'm seeing on IMDb and in this article that he has starred, written, produced, and even co-directed numerous films, those films have to be shown to be notable. I can't tell from IMDb or other sources whether or not these films are notable, but the burden of proof lies on the person who wants to include this information in Wikipedia, not those who challenge it. -- Atama ^chat 15:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - In looking over the acting roles in IMDB, what stands out is that they almost all are tagged with a (V) indicating a direct to video release. That generally indicates the films are non-notable. However, they appear to be Spanish language films for the Mexicn market so somebody conversant in Spanish and familiar with Mexican films might be able to provide some more insight into the notability. -- Whpq (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - So far the only tentative claim this article has is IMDb. The only Keep arguments have cited IMDb entries as a reason. It would be good to find out about those films because so far it looks like there's no valid reason to keep this article. -- Atama ^chat 21:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete IMDB as a sole source is not acceptable, as the vast majority of the data there is user-submitted and does not go through much in the way of a screening process. JuJube (talk) 12:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I would say he passes by enough of the threshold for retention, and being an actor, unless he stops working, his notability will only grow past the point he is at now. rootology (T) 15:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - while the films he has appeared in have been mostly minor, the fact that he also is a director, producer, and writer, gives him an amount of notability --T-rex 23:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Really? If I make a low-budget film off of a digital camera, which I write, produce, direct, and star in, and release it to a very limited audience, does that make me notable? Just because I did everything on it? Where in WP:BIO does having multiple non-notable roles make you notable? -- Atama ^chat 16:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No indication of notability meeting WP:BIO. Tan ǀ 39 01:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject has an extensive career. And for the record, the IMDB requires that all submissions need to be cleared by the site's editorial staff before it goes online. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have an extensive career, but I don't meet WP:BIO. Can you specifically state why you think he meets notability criteria? Yer pretty good at finding sources; if you can expand your argument, I'll probably change my mind. Tan ǀ 39 04:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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