Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anakin Skywalker

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Keep per WP:SNOW. (non admin closure) Cenarium (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anakin Skywalker

Almost all of this page is prod and overlaps with Darth Vader. both Darth Vader AND THIS PAGE ARE around 30 kb long, so I don't see why the info from here can't be mergered, but I just think it should be deleted. The only reason this is separate from Darth vader is because the editors feel that the two alter egos have differnt personality. and both articles isn't that large either. an I really oppose having separate pages for alter egos of characters and this article have nothing but plot. Gman124^talk 03:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page is about Darth Vader's life when he was good and the Darth Vader is about when he was good. so does this warrent a separate article for a character? I don't think so--Gman124^talk 03:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm not wrong it also violates Wikipedia Manual of Style. and WP:N, since there's nothing but plot on the Anakin page. becaue the plot is written as if it was an historical account. --Gman124^talk 12:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader, of course, but the articles have differing contents. One is about his youth, the other about his life as a Sith lord. JIP | Talk 03:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral (Reads as: "TORN") Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are almost two different characters, sure. One was conceived long before the other. (In fact, when Vader says "Luke, I am your father!" the actor playing him didn't even know what the character was saying.) HOWEVER... They are, in fact, different periods of time in a single character's fictional history, and it wouldn't hurt to merge the two together. Just my two cents, Wakanda's Black Panther!♠/♦ 03:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hasn't this been nominated or put through some kind of dispute process before? WillOakland (talk) 04:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. WikiProject Star Wars has also been notified. -- saberwyn 08:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hold on a second... didn't this used to be a soft redirect to Darth Vader way back when? I don't see what was wrong with that. They're the same character, they should be in the same article. Merge it into Darth's article. --UsaSatsui (talk) 08:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That was before the whole Spoiler Warnings Are Evil, Evil Must Be OPPOSED!! debate. -- saberwyn 08:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- On second thought, I'm making this a Keep. This isn't an AFD issue really...it's more of a merge or not-merge. I can't seriously see this being deleted. --UsaSatsui (talk) 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I !voted against a merge in the talk-page discussion, but every day I shift closer to changing my mind because of the overlapping plot summary. Regardless, though, I see sources, (some) development info (that you, person who added it ;-)), and am certain that movie reviews and commentary about the two kids' portrayals of the characters are out there. Yeah, I know: "so add them." --EEMIV (talk) 11:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep. First Clark Kent, now Anakin Skywalker? This seems very pointy. Like with Clark Kent, there's enough notability for even former (and secret) identities (do we need to add something like this to WP:FICT?). Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 13:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to assume good faith. Thank You. --neonwhite user page talk 14:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore the nom himself gave a very poor reason to delete. He proclaims the only reason Anakin has an article is because "The only reason this is separate from Darth vader [sic] is because the editors feel that the two alter egos have differnt [sic] personality". No, it's because he meets WP:FICT. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 13:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Major character of not one, not two, but three major movies, all of them as "Anakin", not "Vader". Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't really see any arguments for straight deletion. It's more of a merge, don't merge. On that, both sides have a point, and with it being a complex case, I don't think this AFD is the best way to make a reasoned decision on a merge.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Merging an article that overlaps is just general editing, personal feelings about who the characters are has no relevance whatsoever. If the article has overlap they can be merged. However in this case both articles are of a significant length for a split to be justified and do not overlap that much. --neonwhite user page talk 14:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Major character in top-grossing movies, best-selling books, and all manner of other media with significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Character stands on its own, even if he later becomes another quite different character. It would be like merging caterpillar and butterfly. - Dravecky (talk) 14:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep For the sames reason I said keep on the talk page. Same person but 2 different characters. I agree the page needs improvement, at the VERY minimum they should be merged but not deleted. --Vertigo315 (talk) 14:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC) As a side note: if anything Darth Vader should be merged with or deleted and not the other way around as Anakin Skywalker is the central character and not Vader, if we are following the reasons given for deletion. It just doesn't make sense. --Vertigo315 (talk) 14:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Keep is strong with this one. There's enough notability in both, plus enough distinction between the two, that deleting one or the other is ludicrous, and a merge would make the resulting article too unwieldy. Umbralcorax (talk) 14:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep worse case scenario this should be merged and redirected to Darth Vader, correct? There is no hope for deletion here if we are to comply w/ the GFDL. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 15:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.