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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect/No consensus. There is a consensus that, in general, the pageant contestors listed here should be deleted or redirected. Two of the people, Gabriela Kratochvílová and Andrea Kalousová, have also done something else (than just a pageant), an issue that has not been explicitly adressed in the AfD. The best solution therefore seems to be to close the discussion on the two of them as no consensus with no prejudice against immediately re-nominating them for deletion individually. For the remaining articles, I will close the discussion on them as redirect rather than delete, since they are potential search terms. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Kalousová

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Recent community discussions have held there is no consensus for automatic notability for pageant winners. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roxanne Allison Baeyens – bundled, resulted in 18 articles deleted – upheld at more recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paulette Samayoa. There was also a recent successful RfC [1] concerning sockfarms and beauty pageant article creations by sockfarms like this one. The RfC does not imply deletion is necessary in this case, but does indicate that scrutiny will be especially strong and this was not taken into account in the last, lightly attended, deletion debate held in 2015 (four keep !votes, one of which was by a later CU-confirmed sockpuppet). ☆ Bri (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
🧦 = created by sockmaster/sockpuppet

Nominating additional Czech Miss contestants for same reasons, these all appear to represent WP:BLP1E. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominating random creations of another sockfarm for same reasons. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about the others, but I don't think Jevon King in particular should be deleted; she has a son with Diplo who has a lengthy WP article. If she only had a son with Diplo or only won the pageant, her article should be deleted. However, I think with these two combined, her article should stay. Unknown-Tree (talk) 21:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not inherited. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1) That's an essay, not a guideline 2) I know that, if she didn't win the pageant, then I would've agreed with removing her article. Unknown-Tree (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, WP:Notability – which is a guideline – states it this way: No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest... I'm sure you know this having followed WP:NRVE from the NOTINHERITED essay, but I'm stating it here for the others participating. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • WEAK KEEP: Despite pageant winners being deleted in other articles. Generally speaking, winning a nationwide pageant, means you won several local pageants. However, this is an English language wikipedia and if you aren't able to find the local pageants in English, than maybe it doesn't reach the notability for this version of wikipedia. - 23:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Juju (talk)
  • Wikipedia notability is not and should not be based English-language coverage, and that's not the main issue here. It's the paucity of non-trivial RS coverage outside the pageant in any language. In many of the listed articles, being a pageant delegate is the sum total of RS coverage, one-event biographies. • Gene93k (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
well I found numerous Czech articles on her in particular, but I cant assess the reliability of those articles, since I'm not versed in that language. - Juju (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all none have the coverage beyond extremely passing coverage at the time of the beauty contest win to justify having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect all of the Czech Miss winners. Although they have some coverage in generally reliable Czech language media such as iDNES or denik.cz [2] [3] [4] the coverage does not focus on the winners in depth, or else is just interviews / non-intellectually independent coverage which generally does not count toward GNG. So I would say the best outcome would be merging or redirecting into articles about the contest. (t · c) buidhe 00:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Clarkcj12 (talk) 08:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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