Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BANX & RANX
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The result was delete. A Traintalk 07:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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Mostly a procedural nom - this is a restored PROD that I'm not quite sure meets GNG / NMUSIC. On the whole I'm not sure there's enough coverage in reliable music publications to hit NMUSIC criteria 1. Noisey is reliable, but EDM Thrones has no editorial policy plus that source is an interview. Jamaica Observer looks ok although I'm not familiar with it. I'm not sure if JamaicansMusic is reliable (not familiar) but it is again an interview. Overall I'm not sure if that all adds up to a pass.
Criteria 8 is the only other one I can see that has a chance of applying, but I don't know that Latin Grammys count (assuming they are distinct from the Grammys), and I also don't know that a production credit on two songs on someone else's nominated album counts for their notability.
That being said this is mostly procedural so I will withdraw if people think this is for-sure notable, so as to not waste peoples' time. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 20:27, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 20:27, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
After checking the notability criteria, I cited a whole bunch of sources on PMC's talk page [1].
According to the criteria, the artist only needs to meet one of the criteria to exist on this Wiki. So even without all the sources I provided, the page was erroneously deleted. Even PMC says Noisey is a reliable source. It only needs to meet 1 of the criteria.
From the criteria[2]: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria."
So 1 of the criteria was met. Therefore, it should not have been deleted in the first place.
In my talk item to PMC linked above, I further provide sources such as Vice, NME and 3 articles from Wikipedia itself in which the subject is referenced. Not included there is the fact that the subject just won a SOCAN award for the remix of a Bob Marley tune. And they were named among the Top 10 for 2017 by SOCAN Magazine [3]. SOCAN is the publishing rights association for musicians in Canada. Short of winning a Juno Award, this subject could not get more notable in Canada in their industry.
sifr4 (talk) 18:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- sifr4, you seem to be misunderstanding NMUSIC Criteria 1, as well as the content of my nomination. Crtieria 1 requires that the subject "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." It then goes on to clarify that "This criterion includes published works in all forms...except for the following: ...other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves" (bold for emphasis). While I (and I think most other editors) generally accept Noisey as a reliable publication, it's only one source, and can't satisfy Criteria 1 on its own. The other sources in the article are in question. As noted above, some are interviews, which don't satisfy Criteria 1. Some, again as noted in my nomination, are of unknown reliability, which is what I put to the community to decide here.
- Most of the sources you posted on my talk page were trivial mentions that don't satisfy Criteria 1, so I didn't make note of them here. The SOCAN article was not provided originally so I never mentioned it above, although IMO a single paragraph in a list of upcoming "breakthrough artists" is pushing it. I can't find anything about the SOCAN award on the SOCAN website, so at this point we can't verify the information; even if we could, a SOCAN award is not on the NMUSIC list for presumed notability under Criteria 8. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC they are upcoming but not notable at this point.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete agree that there's not enough coverage to show notability, per nom. When I come across new article subjects, I make sure there are at least 8-9 decent mainstream media sources, and that the coverage is somewhat in depth, allowing me to create a decent narrative. The sources I see here don't let me do that. An easy gauge of notability is that the reporters see fit to include more than just passing biographical info, and that's not the case here. Perhaps WP:TOOSOON also applies. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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