Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Rajasthan (738 CE)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. An event happening does not on its own make something notable. There needs to be verifiable information and enough information to support an independent article. There is a consensus of participating editors here that there is not sufficient information for a notable article and it may even fail to pass our expectations of verifiability. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Rajasthan (738 CE)

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I've checked and cleared many times about this battle, and there is not a single mention of this battle in contemporary sources, not even in primary. I written about this in article's talk page too around 17 days ago but got no response, if any Contributor can provide good source that will be good for the article otherwise administrators should look into it. Basedch (talk) 03:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The nominator's PROD rationale a couple of weeks ago was the following: "I've checked and cleared many times about this battle, and there is not a single mention of this battle in contemporary sources, not even in primary. As I can see this page is about 2 months old, and no one adding source/citation to this page, this page is totally inactive, we should remove fake pages to improve Wikipedia, I can confirm that this battle is fake, admins should delete this page as soon as possible to ignore glorifying fake history.". Given a look at their talk page, in which they received multiple prior warnings for disruptively editing South Asian history articles, it is difficult to take them at their word. A deep analysis would need to be taken. Curbon7 (talk) 04:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 04:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 04:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 04:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Following up Curbon7's comment above, Google Books shows various entries, such as the paragraph in this Indian Civil Service General Studies paper. AllyD (talk) 07:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Following up AllyD's comment above, This book is a general studies paper and not a history book written by any historian, this is not a reliable source and can not be taken as a proof for this battle, this battle is about 738 CE and there is not a single mention of this battle by any famed/prominent historian, also there is no mention of this battle before 2005-2010. Basedch (talk) 10:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment its not my area of expertise/interest, but there does seem to have been a run of pages about South Asian battles that no-one has ever heard of previously, being mentioned in questionably reliable sources from the last 5-10 years. I assume these reflect recent Indian politics. WP:BASIC applies, if there isn't significant coverage in multiple reliable sources its not notable and should be deleted. Mztourist (talk) 10:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I got a update related to this battle page, creator of this article with his alt account contacted me on my talk. Any administrator can check and should do the needful. Basedch (talk) 13:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears that the battle being described here is the one referred to briefly at Umayyad_campaigns_in_India#Al-Hakam_and_Indian_resistance_(731–740): " A Jain prabandha mentions a king Nahada, who is said to have been the first ruler of his family at Jalore, near Bhinmal, and who came into conflict with a Muslim ruler whom he defeated.^[1] Nahada is identified with Nagabhata I (r. 730–760), the founder of the Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty, which is believed to have started from the Jalore-Bhinmal area and spread to Avanti at Ujjain.^[2] The Gwalior inscription of the king Bhoja I, says that Nagabhata, the founder of the dynasty, defeated a powerful army of Valacha Mlecchas (foreigners called "Baluchs"^[3]) around 738 CE.^[4] Even though many historians believe that Nagabhata repulsed Arab forces at Ujjain." The references there may be of use. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 19:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Sanjay Sharma 2006, p. 204.
^ Sanjay Sharma 2006, p. 187.
^ Bhandarkar 1929, p. 30.
^ Bhandarkar 1929, pp. 30–31; Rāya 1939, p. 125; Majumdar 1977, p. 267; Puri 1986, p. 46; Wink 2002, p. 208

Comment As I said before, mostly sources starts between 2005-2010, source of year 1929 didn't clearly say enough about this battle, we can't rely upon one source only that too with half information, If any prominent or famed historian had written about this battle then any contributor can share it here, It will be easy for us to believe on it and can end the discussion. Basedch (talk) 07:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:BASIC as identified by nom and apparently confirmed by page creator. Mztourist (talk) 14:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No reliable source, supports Mztourist comment. Basedch (talk) 06:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As nominator, you don't need to also add a delete opinion. AllyD (talk) 08:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Umayyad_campaigns_in_India, just like Battle of Rajasthan was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Rajasthan (2nd nomination). Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 15:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I would have supported a redirect to Umayyad_campaigns_in_India, as above, but the outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Rajasthan (2nd nomination) is that we already have a protected redirect to there from Battle of Rajasthan, which is presumably why this version was created under this variant name. I see no benefit of building up multiple redirects for name variants on the same topic. AllyD (talk) 08:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose* : I read about this battle in some history books, on top of my head I remember Historian DC Shukla's work Early History of Rajasthan, I added the source with page numbers on the article. Forgive my mistakes as I am quite new to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arohi3695 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Following up Arohi3695's comment above, what is the authenticity of the source you provided? Basedch (talk) 02:14, 02 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Al Hind the making of Indi Islamic world by Andre wink.. he talks about Nagabhat1 and his battle with Arabs 49.204.161.225 (talk) 21:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:45, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lack of reliable source proving notability. The region was not called Rajasthan back then. So this seems like a made up article. Agree with AllyD. Venkat TL (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per AllyD. The topic has enough sources for a redirect, Battle of Rajasthan, but there is no reason any user would search for this particular title variation. If anyone develops enough sources for a standalone article in the future, they can ask for the redirect's protection to be changed. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 16:24, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rename it to Arab raids in Rajasthan or Arab invasion of Rajasthan with particular time period. And I do not agree with @Venkat TL that Rajasthan was not a region at that time hence it should be deleted. Name changes, India was not the name of the country centuries ago yet we use word India even for Earliest history of India. Anyway coming to the point, the Arab invasion of modern Rajasthan was some watershed event as this is mentioned by many historians. The invasion stopped by local dynasties changed further power dynamics in this part of India. But there is not any evidence that this was a single battle as per my knowledge nor if it was fought in a particular year. The event is mentioned by two celebrated and recognised historians of Early history of Rajasthan, Dr Dashratha Sharma and Dr Dinesh Chandra Shukla. Hence I propose to rename the page and if agreed I can edit the page accordingly to make it a war page instead of a battle. If some people agree I can edit it right away if it still doesn't look as per wiki standard, we can agree to get it re-directed or deleted, whichever way editors prefer.Sajaypal007 (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, as I'm not seeing coverage in reliable sources, and the title is not a reasonable search term. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:44, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[FOOTNOTESanjay_Sharma2006204-1] Sanjay Sharma 2006, p. 204.

[FOOTNOTESanjay_Sharma2006187-2] Sanjay Sharma 2006, p. 187.

[FOOTNOTEBhandarkar192930-3] Bhandarkar 1929, p. 30.

[4] Bhandarkar 1929, pp. 30–31; Rāya 1939, p. 125; Majumdar 1977, p. 267; Puri 1986, p. 46; Wink 2002, p. 208

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