Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bensalem Jewish Outreach Center

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Bensalem_Township,_Pennsylvania#Jewish_religious_life. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 06:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bensalem Jewish Outreach Center

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Non-notable organization. Speedy declined on the presumption that this organization qualifies as a school since it offers preschool and continuing education programs. So, taking to AFD instead. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:59, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:33, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Listed only in local directories and blogs in such - no real reliable sourcing. Nwlaw63 (talk) 01:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WikiDan61 and Nwlaw63. High schools are often kept, but this is not a high school. Dear Wikipedians: Please always point the article creator to some alternative outlets. Dear Ben Lazer (talk · contribs): Perhaps there exists some alternative outlet which is willing to host article you created: maybe some company-information wiki or some such. I shall use a {{talkback}} template to point you here. All the best, —Unforgettableid (talk) 22:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This organization includes a Kollel. A Kollel is post-graduate institution of higher institution of higher learning. A Kollel is essentially a full-time yeshiva for married men for the advanced study of the Talmud and Rabbinic literature. In fact, many yeshivas serve for both unmarried and Kollel students with virtually the same curriculum. As such this organization includes a school, and therefore is considered inherently notable as per WP:ORGSIG (being the exception to the rule "No company or organization is considered inherently notable"). This is also confirmed by WP:NONPROFIT "Articles on schools are kept without regard to notability".

As per Nwlaw63 - other than the notability issue - I don't see why directories, blogs, and even the organization's website, don't clearly demonstrate clearly that they simply exist... Ben Lazer (talk) 03:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please keep in mind that while schools are specifically exempted from speedy deletion, they are not exempt from all deletion processes, and must still meet WP:ORG and WP:GNG. I see no evidence that this organization meets either. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 03:24, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Both my previos quotes were taken from the page WP:ORG. This is the page that documents the Wikipedia notability guideline for organizations and companies. This is NOT the page for the Criteria for speedy deletion. The quotes were accurate quotes at the time that I quoted them. The issue is that the notability guideline for schools is being debated.Their seems to be some sort of edit war there. See the history of WP:ORG's edits. Until this issue is resolved Bensalem Jewish Outreach Center shouldn't be deteted.Ben Lazer (talk) 15:34, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Ben, you appear to have misread the relevant guideline. WP:ORGSIG specifically states:
    No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools.

The version of the guideline you quoted was, unfortunately, a version that had been vandalized by a disgruntled user. Merely claiming "It can't be deleted; it's a school." isn't going to get you very far. Merely claiming that citations exist to prove the organization exists aren't sufficient. Mere existence is not the bar we're trying to meet here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:12, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The notability guidelines are crystal clear: NO organization is exempt from them, and this Center clearly doesn't demonstrate notability in reliable secondary sources. Nwlaw63 (talk) 13:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable per WP:ORG. All organisations are required to meet our notability criteria. IRWolfie- (talk) 21:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Unable to find any reliable sources that talk about this organization. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania#Jewish religious life where this is a real, albeit minor, growing Jewish religious network and organization. IZAK (talk) 09:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Change !vote to Merge and Redirect to Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania#Jewish religious life per IZAK, although all the information is already there, and sourced to the primary source. Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If its already there, why vote merge not simply redirect? IRWolfie- (talk) 09:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania#Jewish religious life, per WP:ORG. Content already there; nothing to retain in edit history here. -- Trevj (talk) 11:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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