Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boyko, Viktor Sergeyevich

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn. Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boyko, Viktor Sergeyevich

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I chose not to speedy this, since it is a lengthy article. Still, I do not believe it makes a credible claim to notability. Moreover, it is written in inappropriate (promotional) language, including use of first person, and has no independent sources to verify notability. Drmies (talk) 04:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This person has all that it takes for notability. Promotional language is not a case here. This autobiography is an objective one. In any case I am writing a biography now. Regarding independent sources. There is "National Health League" under the aegis of Russian govenment. Also you could read the Viktor Boyko's certificate of the Indian embassy in the references. This man is the most known Russian yogin. His contribution to Yoga is colossal. Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 04:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Doctor Zevago, the main problem with this article is the lack of independent, reliable secondary sources needed to establish notability. Sources affiliated with the subject are not sufficient. The certificate is a primary source, not an independent secondary source. If you can add them, perhaps the article can be salvaged. Without them, it will have to be deleted. Cullen328 (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. As I wrote I got caught in the middle of the editing process (it could be seen in the history of editing), so I will bring more information and sources. I will also write some important information for the Wikipedia community that will make the situation clearer. Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 14:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please look at the following list sir. I brought several links (almost all of them in Rus. Lang.) that give us some understanding who is Viktor Boyko. It is what the talk was about: the independent secondary (the majority of them are reliable) sources. I didn't place many of these mentionings in the article before 'cause IMO Viktor Boyko makes their meaning, not they make his meaning.

The key word is "Бойко". It is surname Boyko in Russian. We also could use online translators: http://www.worldlingo.com/en/websites/url_translator.html

Articles about Viktor

Reviews on his books

Yoga-teachers who are not affiliated to Yoga school of Viktor Boyko at all but still consider Viktor as their teacher

Yoga-related and other deserving secondary sources that mention Viktor’s great services to Yoga

Other mentionings

Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article can always be userfied, that is, moved to your personal user space for you to work on--I am sure the closing administrator, should this end up in a delete, will do that for you. Drmies (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On one hand I am glad to have this discussion, because it will help to do this article better. On the other hand I take the idea to delete this article as an unbelievable mistake. Though I still have to explain my thesises. I will try to do it step-by-step. First of all please see the additional links in this discussion. Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 03:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the addition to article sir. I hope it will make the improvement of text more effective. Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 06:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Going by the Russian that I learned about 35 years ago (but has gone very rusty since) these sources, listed as external links in the article, would appear to be independent and to have significant coverage of the subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:57, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the addition sir. Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 03:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A search on a Russian search engine comes of with thousands of hits. The Russian language article appears to be in good standing and reasonably sourced. The English article has problems but I can't oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on the diligent work that Doctor Zevago has done to show notability and add sources to the article. Well done. Cullen328 (talk) 23:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So colleagues, as I promised, I continue. Firstly new worthy links are coming. They are sorted in accordance to the previous order

Articles about Viktor

Reviews on his books

Yoga-teachers who are not affiliated to Yoga school of Viktor Boyko at all but still consider Viktor as their teacher

Yoga-related and other deserving secondary sources that mention Viktor’s great services to Yoga

Other mentionings

Sites of the Yoga school of Viktor Boyko's branches

The list of the school of Boyko's teachers in Moscow

Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 03:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now I should tell you a little bit about this man and his services to Yoga. All the upcoming text is based on logic but in any case before I start I should apologize for my English. Unfortunately it is far from ideal yet. Boyko has literally revived the original technology of Patanjali because the dominating majority of today’s Yoga leads to pure money-mining or esoteriс dreams. Almost each Yoga guru tries to make you pay him as much as it’s possible. Different but close scenario could happen when so-called gurus give you ordinary acrobatics and call it yoga. Some of them hide it, some of them don’t know them-self what the real Yoga is. But the real Yoga is just what its Founder Patanjali has written. It dictates static asanas, relaxation and creating conditions for stopping of activity of the mind during practice. That’s all. Boyko explains that Yoga is simple but strict technology to make human healthy. It has no relation to any religious teachings or esotericism. It does not require escaping out of social life or paying a lot of money.

Try to google or yahoo "yoga forum" colleagues. What are the results? Yoga teachers and gurus don’t hasten to tell you a lot about technology. Instead they try to sell you yoga accessories, they tell you about fantastic siddhis and ghostly chakras. Boyko’s forum exists 10 years. http://www.realyoga.ru/phpBB2/ With near 75 000 posts It is one of the largest Yoga forums in the WWW. This man wrote there more than 7000 posts him-self and it’s not like how-are-you-bla-bla-bla chatter. It’s full-grown, clear and understandable texts that explain the technology. People can learn it paying nothing. By the way his book is free to read. It is available at the main page of his site http://www.realyoga.ru. Everyone could register on Boyko’s forum and say his or her opinion even if it’s severe criticism. His forum is a very democratic one. It is a place for fair and thoughtful discussions. Also as you could see there is no promotional links at his site. There a lot of links to his site everywhere. But Boyko does not try to become a celebrity or something. He does his work no more. That’s why I was not able to bring many secondary sources about this extraordinary man. But if to talk about fame, I would point out the following thing. Please take a look at the section of the article called "Personal Resources And Official Links". We could see the meaningful thing here. In 2008 Boyko’s School won the All-Russian competition organized by «National Health League» and got the prestigious grant. This «NHL» is supervised by the Russian government’s commission. So it has some importance.

You know Boyko is one of those not numerous living persons who fairly could be called the pride of Russia. On the irony of fate we have Chikatilo in Wikipedia, but the number of Yoga teachers taught by Boyko is more than the number of Chikatilo’s victims. It’s just unbelievable but if we delete men like Boyko one could think that you should rather kill people than teach them to deserve to be here. IMO it is unfair to say the least…

So now I am ready to concretize or add more info if it is needed. Best regards,Doctor Zevago (talk) 06:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. This AfD is longer than the article, and two-thirds of that needs to be cut already. I can't make heads or tails of it--long lists of links, long swaths of text, more lists of links--I don't see much diligence here, but a lot of WP:TLDNR. I am going to withdraw this nomination, with the request to the author that they a. incorporate sources and footnote them properly and b. trim the non-encyclopedic content out of the article. In a few weeks, I am going to revisit the article. Any friendly admins around who can close this? Drmies (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but I am not sure that I understood your discontent properly. I selected every link that is listed here. I can give an explanation regarding every one. I don't know why you think that the current discussion should not be longer than the article. At this moment I finished the editing of the article. If you tell that I have to add something, I'll do it. But personally I think that the article is completed and doesn't need anything more. All the arguments and links I brought to this discussion are summoned to show the notability of the article's subject. So what is wrong? Best regards, Doctor Zevago (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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