Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bursar

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The result was keep. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:38, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bursar

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This is a mess. It starts with a Wiktionary etymology, then goes on full WP:OR mode with the description and ends with a trivia-like list of 'notable bursars' (also in fiction). BEFORE didn't find much - there are some job descriptions and regulations, and the best I found is this one page essay at [1]. Since there is no Wikipedia:Notability (occupations) we default to GNG and I don't see how this article meets it. The concept of a bursar can and is defined in a Wiktionary ([2]) and that may be enough, given the lack of attention to this position/occupation in secondary sources. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable post. I can't see any good reason for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:31, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:31, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here's an entire book on the subject: The Work of the Bursar. Here's another one. Here's a third. The nominator's BEFORE seems to be broken. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:07, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Andrew Davidson: The first book seems reliable and on topic, good find. The third on the other hand is just an example of you doing a quick google search and not verifying the relevance of the subject, I am afraid, as it concerns a very specific entity called "All Souls Bursarships" and not the concept of bursar(ship) in general. I cannot verify whether your second source contains any significant discussion of this concept, and its inclusion in the title is not sufficient for us to conclude that the topic is discussed in-depth in the article. If you have verified that it is, please provide a relevant page range, and preferably, a quotation. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The third source is indeed a detailed history of the bursars of All Souls College. I am familiar with this institution and, insofar as the topic includes a list of notable bursars, consider that the source will be useful for our purpose. I do not plan to provide further details because, oh look, it's snowing! Andrew🐉(talk) 10:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the current state of the article is not global enough nor adequately sourced, but there are clearly sources that can create an article that covers the history, function and changes over time of the position that goes far beyond a dictionary definition. Because this is not a dictionary definition it should also consider other positions that are similar to that of a bursar, but under different names.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Johnpacklambert: Which sources? Andrew found one, but nothing else seems particularly good. If you see another source worth considering, can you tell me what it is? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Andrew. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per above. Pilean (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exceptionally thought argument; I am impressed.. :) (joking) - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:40, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I concur with Piotrus that only one good source has been given here. It's a good start, but more is needed. - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- AfD is not cleanup. All we're here to determine is whether the topic is notable, not how good or well-sourced the current article is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, and if only we had enough sources to establish notability, I would vote to keep it since the article could be improved. Since we don't, however, it is reasonable to conclude the item cannot be improved (unless better sources are published in the future) - GizzyCatBella🍁 05:17, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming that it is reasonable to conclude the item cannot be improved just because it doesn't currently have enough sources is ludicrous and goes against Wikipedia policy and practice. This is a work in progress. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article isn't exactly good, or the topic easy to search online because of all the job descriptions and advertisements, but the office dates back to the Middle Ages 1 2. It's mentioned in the Domesday Book 3. Narky Blert (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's more to the concept of "bursar" than what a dictionary can explain (as can be seen from the talk page) so it is useful to have this article. Deletionists love nothing more than a good evacuation, but they can do that on their own without bothering us here. NRPanikker (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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