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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bust of Vasil Levski

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Fails WP:GNG. Absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this is a notable statue, separate and distinct from any notability the embassy itself may have. I merged the content to the embassy's page but it was reverted without real explanation. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am not aware of a deletion sort topic re public art. But I have added a topic on the WikiProject's talk page. Let me know if you have any questions about it. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 16:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not only is the information of very little general interest, but the image is so poor that it takes a while to find the bust. Athel cb (talk) 18:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now: I've added 6 additional sources to the article. I am still trying to find details about the artist, as well as dimensions and other artistic details for Description section, but there's now at least a little context about who advocated for the sculpture's installation, when the monument was dedicated, and subsequent ceremonial visits by government officials. Some of the sources are in Bulgarian. I've also invited the creator of the Bulgarian Wikipedia article to assist or share their comments. Hoping editors can have a bit more time to flesh out this entry, rather than deleting. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk)
  • Merge Adding more sources does not necessarily mean notably, it just may mean they have better PR resources. Currently the Embassy of Bulgaria has less information than the statue and is more notable. Merge information on the Bust of Vasil Levski page in to the Embassy of Bulgaria page. It would also be good to add some of the information on the bust AND other memorials and tributes to Vasil Levski page. Another such memorial is the the relief of Vasil Levski at the Bulgarian embassy in Paris. Myotus (talk) 18:08, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: recommended that I clarify my vote. I recommend to delete the page, as the sculpture does not meet notability for its own page but the content should be moved and used in both the Embassy of Bulgaria and the Vasil Levski pages.
Beyond the facts on the bust in question, answer the "so what" question. What is it about Bust of Vasil Levski that is important to the larger themes of art/Bulgarian history? Context could include other public commemorative statues of Vasil Levski (the relief of Vasil Levski at the Bulgarian embassy in Paris comes to mind). Myotus (talk) 22:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: one very large issue that needs to be addressed if any of the pages content is to be moved to another page. There is no identification of the sculptor, neither on the Wikipedia page nor on any of the pages that are cited. This is very concerning. It really does reenforce the non-notably of the object. Unless the sculptor's name can be identified and added I would not even recommend the content being moved. Myotus (talk) 22:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This has been corrected. Myotus (talk) 12:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been significantly improved, however, much of the most important information lacks citations. On a side note - It is unfortunate that both artists referenced, Vladimir Ginovski and Ivan Bitrakov do not have articles on Wikipedia as both have significant bodies of work. I hope that can be addressed in the future. Myotus (talk) 13:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it: I have contacted today the Wikipedia editors from Bulgarian section and they helped me to improve the Bulgarian version of the article. I did my best to translate the new facts in English and I have added them to the nominated for deletion article. I hope its new version will meet the criteria to be kept and it will not be removed. I hope in the next while to find more fact and update both versions. Re: an image of the monument - in June 2000 as an academic mentor of university students, I attended an IEEE competition in Arlington and the Bulgarian ambassador invited us to visit the embassy. I had opportunity to take some pictures of the monument. In January 2021 I scanned and uploaded an image of the monument but it was also nominated for deletion because it is on Bulgarian soil and the Bulgarian laws apply. According to the folks from the Bulgarian section of Wikipedia, the monument is outside the Bulgarian embassy and this is not considers as Bulgarian soil (if an American can access it without permissions from the Embassy, this place is not considers as under the Bulgarian jurisdictions). So the nomination for deletion of the image is disputable. Here is the link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monument_to_Vasil_Levski_in_front_of_the_Bulgarian_Embassy_in_Washington,_USA.png --Isip2 westboro (talk) 00:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Isip2 westboro: It might be more work than worthwhile but who owns the copyright on the sculpture? The artists estate or the Bulgarian government? If the latter, get the embassy to take a picture and make the photo available on a Creative Commons Share-a-like license. Myotus (talk) 14:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The article has been significantly improved and expanded since this discussion started and now has many references from a wide range of reliable sources. VocalIndia (talk) 07:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - much of the 'improvement' to this article focuses on tangential issues, and much of the content relating to the statue itself are unsourced. The fact that the artist visited art galleries in NYC when visiting the US is not relevant to this article and does not establish notability of the statue, though a source is provided. Further, really none of the sources provide in-depth coverage, and some are unreliable, such as eurochicago which is an unregulated blog. There are also very short press releases from the embassy itself. The fact that the statue was included in a collection of 130 illustrations or that it is no more than mentioned in a laundry list of Sights of Interest do not establish notability. I applaud attempts to improve the article, but in no way is notability established. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 13:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I would argue that two of the above votes to delete the article have nothing to do with notability. There's more work needed here, I'm glad to see the article has been expanded and I hope additional sourcing can be folded into the text once libraries and other institutions have reopened. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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