Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chadarangam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ged UK 15:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chadarangam

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The game described is the same as Chess, and this page only provides a glossary (which Wiktionary might by more suitable for). The content under "Significance of these pieces" could possibly added to the Chaturanga page, but the content here does not merit an article of its own. SundaraRaman (talk) 10:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SundaraRaman, should there be a link to this AfD on the article page? (Can't find one.) Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SundaraRaman, will you also notify the page creator (User:Bsskchaitanya) of the AfD? Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please advise the article creator of the existence of the AfD! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 08:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is the same as chess except that stalemate is a win and there is no mention of castling, en passant, or promotion (chess). The article needs a good reference too. It is not in the book The Classified Encyclopedia of Chess Variants by D. B. Pritchard, and I would expect it to be there if it was valid. So I'm not sure if it should be deleted, but I am leaning toward Delete. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Besides the ECV book above, I checked two books on the history of chess and four chess encyclopedias, and "Chadarangam" isn't in any of them. It may be there under a different name. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 16:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I couldn't find it in Murray's History of Chess, either (nor Bell's Board and Table Games, nor Falkener's Games Ancient and Oriental, nor Gollon's Chess Variations Ancient, Regional and Modern). All that seems like justification to toss the article, but to me it just makes the info—if can be adequately sourced—more special! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those are different books than the ones I checked, so there was no overlap, so at least 11 books that were likely to have it, don't have it. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is well organized and detailed; the author is a Veteran IV Editor, and an engineer. A "Telugu/Andhra" Chaturanga variant would indeed be a cut of esoteric stock, and am not surprised at all it didn't make Pritchard's ECV, but its absence there does not mean it is invalid. The article has a ref, I agree the ref should be improved, but again this is a rare bird so is it possible that a better ref does not even exist?! IMO the article seems an esoteric piece of chess history, and so it would be a shame to throw it in the WP wastebin. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a suggestion in the article that the king can make a one-time knight move. The article contains bits & pieces of historical Telugu context, so it is more than just containing terms. There are exact redundancies to chess in the article too, so perhaps those parts could be simplified using simple reference to chess, leaving differences to chess as the article's content. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:31, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Editor Ihardlythinkso is much more knowledgeable about chess variants than I am, so his opinion should be highly respected. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 16:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 06:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge / Redirect to be included in the article Indian chess. Stubbleboy 03:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 11:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.