Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris McStay

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The result was no consensus‎ . North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris McStay

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 08:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - most articles I can see are routine transfer; the Daily Record one about 'following in footsteps' is OK but not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 08:36, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10] among many many more sources. Young player with ongoing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. User has nominated 10 articles for deletion in a day (some are proposed for deletion, but for this user that's basically the same as being nominated for deletion because they will always end up nominating it for deletion no matter what users say/do). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 09:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Some pieces similar to the Daily Record piece; some transfer news; some posted by his club; some from the Sun and therefore non-RS. Not enough for me. Giant Snowman 14:23, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, the "pieces similar to the Daily Record piece" all go into his background and are not the same as the Daily Record piece. Young player with ongoing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, see my response above, also I have just spent some time doing a WP:HEY and expanded the article with the sources. WP:HEY states that it can be "invoked during deletion discussions to point out that an article has been significantly improved since it was nominated for deletion". Clearly topic of interest in Scotland and Australian football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen your response - nothing changes my mind. This is a player who has played in minor leagues in Scotland and Australia and gets minor coverage due to his famous father. That's it. Giant Snowman 08:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. BEFORE showed promos, database records, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Source eval:

Primary, promo, Fails IS RS SIGCOV :: 1. "New Signing: Chris McStay". Clyde FC. Retrieved 5 April 2023.
Routine sports story mentioning they "signed a deal until the end of the season", no SIGCOV :: 2. ^ McDougall, Mark (10 February 2018). "Son of Celtic legend Paul McStay makes Clyde debut after signing deal until end of the season". Daily Record. Retrieved 5 April 2023.
Routine sports story mentioning they signed a deal, no SIGCOV :: 3. ^ "WOLVES SIGN SCOTTISH MIDFIELDER". Wollongong Wolves. 6 January 2023. Retrieved 5 April 2023.
Father son interview, fails IS RS SIGCOV :: 4. ^ Haggerty, Anthony (22 February 2018). "Sons of Celtic legends McStay and Grant on building their own careers at Clyde". Daily Record.

Above are more of the same, eg: [11], [12] promo interviews; [13], primary promo from club; nothing that meets IS RS SIGCOV. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 23:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, clearly passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Still no sources showing notability. More source eval:

Promo Interview, not IS >> https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sons-celtic-legends-paul-mcstay-12066213
Interview about subject's father, not SIGCOV, not IS, NOTINHERITED >> https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/16031290.amp/,https://www.glasgowworld.com/sport/sons-of-celtic-legends-paul-mcstay-and-peter-grant-go-for-glory-with-clyde-2037595
Promo Interview, not IS >> https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/04/07/clyde-midfielder-chris-mcstay-dreams-of-celtic-move/
Promo Interview, not IS >> https://www.glasgowworld.com/sport/football/clyde-goal-hero-chris-mcstay-downplays-his-wonder-strike-2028523
Promo Interview, not IS >> https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/8099029/new-wolves-squad-will-learn-from-bulls-draw-mcstay/
Routine sports news about a transfer >> https://archive.ph/wip/N2cSa
Routine sports news >> https://www.proquest.com/docview/2022489520/Record/80642A17F7F74293PQ/5?accountid=194269
Article on team site, not IS >> https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/8000893/son-of-former-celtic-legend-signs-for-the-wolves/, https://m.clydefc.co.uk/news/2018/02/19/5755/#.ZC_imy-B2gQ

Nothing above meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 14:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please do a source eval of how your most recent article Serhii Korovayny meets the standards above that you apply to others articles? Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:TimothyBlue, can you please not use your personal login information in your Proquest URLs - I've got Proquest open, but your URL still tries to log me in through somewhere in Albany, which Fails. Just trim off the end so you get [14]] or use ProQuest 2022489520. BTW (see below), that looks like a good GNG article to me. Nfitz (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Looking at the Proquest article (ProQuest 2022489520), it doesn't look "routine" to me - meeting GNG. Routine would be a box-score, or a very short mention in a game report. Even an article about a transfer isn't routine; sure they routinely happen, the same way there are routinely articles about big mass-shootings - but that's twisting what's in WP:ROUTINE which talks about "sports scores" and "sports matches"; this is why we don't have an article about every 4-1 result. This December 2022 article is quite good too - ProQuest 2743531727; yeah, it mentions he was transferred; yeah, it's got some quotes from an interview; but it also has more. Nfitz (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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