Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Redfield

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Non-Admin Closure. Tiddly-Tom 07:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Redfield

Non-notable resident evil character. No real world context in the article at all, References are all to reviews of the games that mention the character, thus establishing notability for the games not the character. I have repeatedly tagged this article for improvements and the tags keep getting removed with no improvements to the article. Ridernyc (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why pick this time and only this character? This sounds like you want this deleted just for the sake of being deleted. I'm pretty sure you have a thousand other pages to worry about. 64.85.234.166 (talk) 23:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a central character in the original game of the Resident Evil game and movie franchise. Contrary to the Nom, articles that focus on the character are indications of notability for the character, not just the games he appears in, otherwise no video game character would be notable. Finally, the article needing improvement is not a reason for deletion. Edward321 (talk) 03:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someone another 12:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I fail to see the problem with this article, all it needs a few more refs and citations, that no reason to delete an important video game character (noe to Edward321: Chris isn't a part of the movie franchise)! Doktor Wilhelm 12:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep You want development info? Here's a GameSpot article covering a Famitsu interview where there's plenty of details for RE5's development of Redfield. There's been a lot of speculation about whether it was this character seen in RE5 videos, articles like this Joystiq one attest to that and give more angles for article writing. His voice actor for the GC REmake is interviewed at this fansite, and he's been on a postage stamp, go figure. These are among the first couple of google results, we are talking about a fairly important character in a very large and popular franchise, who's going to star in one of the most eagerly awaited games in the past few years (we're almost talking GTA4 here). Someone another 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

so what you are saying is instead of having an edit war over tags if people actually improved the article and stop arguing with me the article could be improved. Hmmm what a concept.Ridernyc (talk) 05:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Chris Redfield is pivotal to the series. I'm sure there are plenty of other fictional characters on wiki, so no reason to delete this one. Article could be improved with some references, but otherwise it is great. Skip1337 (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY ^talk _contribs 19:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the speedy close of this deletion debate was reviewed and found to be improper. It is being relisted as a result. JERRY ^talk _contribs 19:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by original closer added by User:Jerry The result was keep (non-admin closure) Chetblong^Talk_Sign 12:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Sorry for any problems caused on my part. --Chetblong^Talk_Sign 19:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A main character of the series, needs refs, but good. And, to the lister, instead of simply listing it, try researching yourself to improve it. -Mastrchf91- 22:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated in the deletion revivew. I Have looked and so far have found no references other then plot summaries and minor mentions of game development of the new Resident Evil game which still has no release date. Take out the plot summary in this article which is simply recreation of plot summaries that belong in the game articles and you are left with a stub. Merger to a list of resident evil characters is a very valid option for all the resident evil characters with the exception of Jill Valentine and maybe Albert Wesker who due to the movies have enough notability on there own. Sorry just don't see these sources people keep claiming are everywhere and take a second to find.Ridernyc (talk) 01:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The sources haven't come as fast as expected, by a mile, but those ones above did pop out in no time. I think you're selling the Famitsu interview covered by GameSpot a little short, it's a solid base to include further details about Chris' development for RE5, which can be paired with the 'reveal' from Joystiq. RE5 might not be out but even if the development team dropped everything tomorrow RE5 would still pass notability, secure its own article and any info from it related to Chris Redfield would provide out-of-universe information. We then have the furore over the racism allegations, [1] [2] (amongst others), which together will not result in more than a sentence or two, but Chris Redfield is the "white man in military clothing" and there is material there. Joe Whyte's interview, as the voice actor for the character on REmake is again not overflowing with usable info but there is some info and it's from a different game - great. There are translated sources posted on fansites, like this, which may be unsuitable but do hint at where materials could be found. We then have George Romero's movie script, where Chris was a main character there's some reprinted online interviews buried in here, the script itself is online and perhaps can be used in one form or another as a reliable source, in which case we get good info. This interview quotes RE film producer Jeremy Bolt saying that Chris was being considered for the fourth film (which got canned). The info is going to take awhile to pull out and deal with but those are indicators that there's more to this. Last but not least, RE5 is the sequel to one of the most acclaimed games of recent times, it is extremely likely that more information will come to increase out-of-universe info even further. I think there is plenty of potential information here justifying a separate article. That isn't to say the chaotic RE character lists don't need some fixing and merging, but this character has good potential. Someone another 02:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as article concerns a main character in a notable game series. I have fulfilled the source request by adding published, reliable references and made other efforts to improve the article as well: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], etc. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Mastrchf91. Showers (talk) 22:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep major character in notable series. most of it documented as should be from the primary sources, and there are sufficient other references to satisfy those who think them necessary for an article like this. DGG (talk) 05:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Resident Evil is the only video game series here in Wikipedia to have individual articles for its recurring characters, even though the Resident Evil games have very minimal plot and character development to them. The only characters I can see that are probably merit of having individual articles are Jill Valentine (due to her several cameos outside the series) and maybe Albert Wesker due to his somewhat complex backstory and multiple appearances in the series. Even then, I can see most of their articles being trimmed to their bare essentials. Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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