Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Wardman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:45, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Wardman

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He is associated with acts that are notable, but he lacks the significant coverage needed to satisfy WP:GNG. Tchaliburton (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to maintain a belief that this editor is acting in WP:Good Faith, which is made more difficult after they have gone out of their way to AFD another article on which I have worked (here is the first [1], which itself is a second attempt, after a Speedy was declined by someone else), for spurious reasons. This is highly WP:POINTY, to say the least. At any rate, this is another stub that they have AFD'd, which has everything sourced. Echoedmyron (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any vendetta against you, as you are suggesting. The only issue I have is that this subject fails WP:GNG. Tchaliburton (talk) 15:42, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, suspicions aside for now, I have added additional references and facts to the article about Wardman's production career.Echoedmyron (talk)

I'm still not seeing anything that satisfies WP:GNG. The associated acts are notable, but that doesn't make him notable by association. Tchaliburton (talk) 17:16, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This musician/producer/composer is obviously notable, IMO, but the article is a stub and needs expanding. Tchaliburton, I'm sorry, but I have to ask, did you try at all to fix or help this article before nominating it for deletion? That is the first step in WP:DEL-CONTENT. The only edit I see from you in the edit history of the article is this nomination. Just look at his list of credits in AllMusic:[2]. Wardman meets the criteria as the composer for Falling (Blue Peter album) as given in WP:COMPOSER. He also meets notability under WP:CREATIVE, criterion #1. And IMO, he also satisfies WP:MUSBIO as producer of a certified gold album. This stuff just needs a few cits. The appropriate action has been taken - classifying it as a stub. Echoedmyron, can you expand this article and maybe source it a little more? He appears to be all over the Canadian music industry, and very notable. This article only needs a few cits to support that. Any professional Canadian (or other?) music writers you can quote? Dcs002 (talk) 02:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does WP:MUSBIO apply to producers? I didn't think that it did, but maybe I'm mistaken. Tchaliburton (talk) 02:45, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MUSBIO does not explicitly say so, which is why I specified that as my opinion. However, in the biz, the producer it regarded as the one responsible for the final product, and a recipient along with the band, of the award. (I don't know if it's that way in Canada though.) But look at the big picture - he did produce a gold album, and he has produced and performed with multiple notable acts. He meets notability in at several ways without needing the producer route, even if as a composer alone of a notable album. Certainly that AltMusic review is RS for independent media coverage from a staff music writer. I haven's seen the Billboard cit yet, but the guy needs to be notable to merit a stub, regardless of the proff. (Again, irem 7 has to preceed item 8 in WP:deletion - he sure seems notable, but the thorough search hasn't yet been done yet, so we can't say he lacks notability just now and therefore deletion is not indicated. Notability and proof of notability are separate issues. This seems to me pretty open & shut, but that's my one voice. Dcs002 (talk) 07:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Echoedmyron, here is a quote from Roch Parisien in his review for AllMusic: "Producer Chris Wardman pulls off a neat coup in working Danny Greaves' commanding lead vocals to the forefront..." That's online here: http://www.allmusic.com/album/mclaren-furnace-room-mw0000102671 That's a good reliable source for notability. From Dcs002 - I forgot to sign this one earlier. Dcs002 (talk) 07:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.