Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifford Gibbs

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 17:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clifford Gibbs

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Subject fails WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of significant coverage. A search per WP:BEFORE did not turn up any significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 11:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Cricket. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 11:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Canterbury representative cricketers per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R#KEEP and WP:CHEAP. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since the expansion that's been done, the location of additional sources, and the prospect of further sourcing being available too. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:50, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given the excellent nature of Papers Past, there's a reasonable chance that sources can be found for New Zealanders. I'll check later and see what I can find - per Alfred Hollings which was recently sent to AfD. In the interim, there is an obvious ATD here so I can't see anything worse than the redirect that Lugnuts suggests. It may also be pertinent to point out that the recent RfC proposal which was accepted noted that there should be some form of grandfathering in order to avoid a mass of deletion discussions. Although this case would always have been an edge case anyway, it's probably significant to point at that element of the RfC at this point given the number of recent AfD. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:27, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- A preliminary search for "C. S. Gibbs" cricket gives 172 hits. Just his name suggests he may have also been a golfer. No idea what I'll find when I delve into it, but it'll take a few days to do so. Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Fwiw looks like at times he's being referred to as S Gibbs and I've found two mentions of Gibb rather than Gibbs so far. There are bits and pieces coming out - quotes that are usable for sure - but I probably won't be able to blitz this until Tuesday at the earliest, and it may be that work takes over and I really can't get to it. There's stuff there, but I'm not entirely sure how strong it'll be. Some patience may be in order here please. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Blue Square Thing: - thank you (again) for your help here. Did you manage to locate anything else? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Lugnuts: There's bits and pieces, but it's not as strong - as NealeWellington suggests below. I've been ridiculously busy all week and have another one of those weeks to come, so I really don't know if I'll be able to get very much more done on it; it's possible, but... Paora's additions are similar to the sorts of things I'm finding, so this remains a bit marginal - of course, they may find a bunch more or have the time to do the work that I'm struggling to do. He played in what was described as a "young" Wellington team in the wooden spoon match in 29/30, opening the bowling for example, but it's a tricky search as there's at least one other Gibbs also playing cricket at a similar time! So overall I'm not sure. It might make a weak keep, but it's not as strong as Priest or Hollings which were clear cut in my view. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problem - really appreciate you taking time to look into this. Don't worry about things on here over real life stuff. Worst case is it's redirected and the possibility of restoring it at some point in the future. Thanks again! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At this stage I'm Redirect to List of Canterbury representative cricketers as a simple search isn't showing much to suggest a GNG pass, but I'll wait to see what BST can find and update my vote if sourcing is found. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment taken an fairly in depth look through papers past and can find nothing to improve the article. He appears to have primarily played senior club cricket, was an auctioneer by trade, and played golf in later years. NealeWellington (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: He is referred to as Cliff Gibbs in the history of the Burnside West Chistchurch University Cricket Club by Brian Adams. Paora (talk) 12:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Paora - tried that as well with only 8 hits in Papers Past and nothing of note. NealeWellington (talk) 11:04, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to Redirect to List of Canterbury representative cricketers, as the article has been improved, but not enough to meet GNG. I think the article history is worth preserving though. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 21:05, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm happy with the expansion. StickyWicket (talk) 13:50, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now I'm at keep given the expansion that Paora's added - and I would think there might be more to come. There's enough here to suggest he has notability. Excellent work. Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep following latest additions demonstrating notability and significant coverage. Paora (talk) 07:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update vote to KEEP per the excellent work of Paora, there's enough here for a GNG pass now. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep after great work from BST and Paora the subject now meets WP:GNG.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 03:29, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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