Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Road 2 (Essex County, Ontario)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge. I don't see why this was relisted, as consensus is that while the roads are not themselves notable, the content could be merged elsewhere. There has been no opposition to these merges after they were done 7 days ago. Specifically,

County Road 2 (Essex County, Ontario) merged into Tecumseh Road (Windsor, Ontario)

County Road 20 (Essex County, Ontario) merged into Highway 18 (Ontario)

2, 3, 8, 19, 22, 42 merged into List of county roads in Essex County, Ontario

The format of the merge is less than ideal, but that's an editorial issue. I am redirecting to the appropriate articles, as these shouldn't be deleted to preserve edit history. –Pomte 05:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

County Road 2 (Essex County, Ontario)

As part of the WP:CRWP restructuring, the Essex County route articles have been suggested for deletion. ^Mitch32^contribs 23:49, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following Essex CR articles.^Mitch32^contribs 23:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not notable, and are likely permastubs. --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I know virtually nothing about Canadian roads; just wanted to note that county roads in the USA aren't considered notable. Nyttend (talk) 02:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment With the highway numbering restructuring of 1997, a lot of Ontario Provincial Highways lost their status. Many of those roads are still notable. Among them, Road 17 of Prescott-Russell County, Road 174 of Ottawa-Carleton Regional Municipality, and Road 1 of York County. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 03:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Abstain -Roofus (talk) 02:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Jona than 03:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Road 22, Delete the others. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 03:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Commment: many county roads are far busier than provincial highways (such as Ottawa Road 174), such as Essex County Roads 22 and 42. Most of them were indeed provincial highways. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 03:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible suggestions: merge County Road 2 and Tecumseh Road together the way County Road 9 and Howard Avenue were merged. Merge County Road 20 and Highway 18 together, though it could also stand on its own, being the longest county road. County Road 8 should probably be merged back into the main Essex County Roads list. County road 3 should follow CR 8 and be merged back into the list. County Roads 19, 22, 34, and 42 should remain separate as they are major arteries and the articles are longer than the short ones. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 03:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Major arteries" does not equal notability. I know of plenty of streets that I would consider major arteries that are definitely not notable. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense. if that fails, perhaps merge them all back into the main list article? RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 03:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever, so long as none of these routes are separate articles and clogging your Wikiwork. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It'll take just a few minutes to do, and i can expand on them while i'm at it. after this, i'll redirect the articles back to the list, pending consensus approval on that. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 04:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

County roads 2, 3, 8, and 20 can now be removed/deleted/redirected. Working on the rest now...RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 04:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fin. Done. Complete. :) I've merged the county roads back into the list, copying the data. if consensus approves of this, then i'll update my vote to delete for the articles. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 04:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Roads at the county level are not inherently notable; very few of them assert notability at all and none of them have references. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 04:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lacks notability. I'd suggest merging into a list (this seems to have somewhat happened already). --Son (talk) 06:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge CR 2, CR 22, and CR 42 into Highway 2 and CR 20 into Highway 18. Merge the others into a list or elsewhere. It should be noted that several of these have no AFD tags on the articles. --NE2 09:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 12:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per NE2. And based on RingtailedFox note above, merging has been done so all that's left is to redirect. --Polaron | Talk 18:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They look pretty decent sized articles, but they're unorganized - but I must keep in mind I'm a US Road guy - whatever may be in existence for Ontario's county roads probably will be different from what U.S. has - but I look closer and I see all of these and say "hmm - do these follow those standards at all?" My reply would be "no they do not." Also - I see no references. How long were these articles in existence without references? All roads (no pun intended) lead to the lack of references. I'd say unless references are found - Delete all otherwise Merge as per Son, NE2, Polaron — master son^{T - C} 18:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP --What's up--too much time on hands over this holiday season?? Bacl-presby (talk)
- Is there a real reason why you want these articles kept? --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: please bear in mind that Ontario is the ONLY province or territory in Canada that has a numbered county road system. As well, County Road 22's being upgraded to a freeway as we speak, so i think that's notable. Manning Road (CR 19) is constantly the focus of a very heated debate between Windsor, Tecumseh, and Lakeshore on truck traffic levels, and how the trucks use that road to get towards the border. CR 42 is a major link between Windsor and Tilbury. Rschen7754: were you asking me if i had a reason why i'd like these articles kept? (if so, my reason is i thought they were notable enough to have their own articles). RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 21:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I was asking Bacl-presby. He gave a really bad reason for wanting the articles kept - issue distraction. --Rschen7754 (T C) 21:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment--as stated, seems a lot of Afd's happen when folks are on-line too long (Christmas Break)--so, is the Wiki-capacity getting close to capacity? Bacl-presby (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please address the actual issue at hand instead of simply asserting that this is a case of "too much time on their hands"? Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Dl2000 (talk) 00:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually the number of AfDs is down for this day. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY ^talk _contribs 00:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per NE2. Better than deletion. Tim Q. Wells (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Already done: the articles have been merged into the main list already, and i now change my vote to "delete and redirect/merge". RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 03:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.