Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystal Huff

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mkdw ^talk 05:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Huff

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NN person whose sole claim to fame is that she chairs science fiction conventions. PROD contested on the ground of "Improved sourcing of article," but that seems to constitute nothing beyond "adding yet more obscure sources of unproven reliability that don't do much more than mention the subject's name." In any event, they certainly don't meet the GNG and are no improvement upon the primary sources and mere namedrops already cited in the article. Ravenswing 06:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Notability not asserted in article. Kitfoxxe (talk) 09:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. KGirlTrucker81^{huh? what I've been doing} 16:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable; sources therein are in Finnish and Chinese, for cripes' sake. sixtynine ^{• speak up •} 22:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: One wonders if they were added by way of pushing the "Hey, I bet folks will say 'Look, there are sources!' without so much as an attempt to run them through Google Translate" button. Ravenswing 00:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we assume good faith? Whereas I can't speak for the editor who added it, Helsingin Sanomat is a) the newspaper in Finland, is b) supporting the simple statement for which it's used as a reference and c) talking about a Finnish project, where it makes some sort of sense to use a Finnish source. /Julle (talk) 22:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The title of the Finnish article was translated wrong. It says "Nerd who fell in love with Finland...", not "Finland is in love with a nerd..." I checked Google Translate and apparently the bad translation came from there, as usual. Suomeen = to/with Finland, and only as an object of the sentence. Mr. Magoo (talk) 02:05, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete being the chair of a non-notable sci-fi convention is not a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: We have an article about Readercon. I'm rather confident it would survive an AfD discussion. What makes it non-notable? /Julle (talk) 22:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep She has also chaired Arisia and there is an article about that. Paradoox (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:BASIC -- HighKing⁺⁺ 18:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'd question the definition of Helsingin Sanomat as an obscure source for a Finland-related (as, at the time, the co-chair of Worldcon 75 in Helsinki) subject. /Julle (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She seems significant in terms of the current Gamer-Gate atmosphere and her efforts to combat that and well as putting the World in Worldcon. Does that need to be more explicit in the article? Paradoox (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Not significant enough to be one of the several dozen figures named in the Gamergate controversy article, seemingly. And given that the Helsinki Worldcon will be the sixth non-US Worldcon in the last twelve years, even from a fannish standpoint it'd be hard to credit Huff with any great influence in internationalizing the fannish scene. But that being said, first off, since notability is not inherited, being associated with a notable subject does not make one notable. What does, in Huff's case, would be meeting the GNG: having received "significant coverage" in multiple reliable sources. That's the only standard of notability which applies in her case, and she fails that. Ravenswing 06:05, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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