Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyberfrog

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Ethan Van Sciver. ‑Scottywong | gab _ 16:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberfrog

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Minor comic character that contains only promotional references. Fails WP:GNG and potentially DePRODed by a sock (first and only edit to contest prod). Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 15:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Way too long for a stub and doesn't have the notability for all that text. Coffeeluvr613 (talk) 00:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC) Blocked sockpuppet Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - have to agree with all of the above MaskedSinger (talk) 17:31, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ethan Van Sciver, which has a enough information about the comic to inform a reader. The series received some print attention in the mid 1990s (referenced here), and with the upcoming new material, it could be restored with some better sources in the future. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a character page, Ethan Van Sciver does not explain the character in any way ~~and does not elaborate on the publication history.~~ I will Edit Cyberfrog to include a short character bio.

EDIT: 'Cyberfrog:Bloodhoney' is the highest grossing crowdfunded comic to date, which makes it of note. There is no shortage of coverage of Cyberfrog's publication and sales (as you have brought to my attention by correcting me about Ethan Van Sciver's bibliography) I have added to the sales information for 'Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney', and will add sales information for the original Cyberfrog publications as I find it. The only thing that is not accurate about the 'sales' figures is that the number of backers is less than the number of units sold (because several perks give you 2 or more copies of the book). There are 3 crowdfunding campaigns for Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney (for variant covers)and all of them are listed in the references of the page but I'll add them more clearly. I don't feel like there's any way to argue that Cyberfrog is not, now more than ever, highly notable. I also fail to see how an indiegogo page, which clearly shows the book people paid for, how many people paid for it and how much money was raised isn't an independent source? User:JerseyDevilYoutube Comment moved and sig added by Argento Surfer

- If you look at the Bibliography section of Van Sciver's page, there's a list of all the Cyberfrog comics he's made, including the publisher, length of run, and publication dates. Your additions, while well-meaning, do not address the concerns raised here. You need to find evidence that Cyberfrog is notable, such as detailed reviews or coverage of its publication and sales. Argento Surfer (talk) 11:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Highest grossing crowdfunding may be a claim of significance (which only avoids a speedy deletion). Moreover a crowdfunding page is not an independent source, which are required for articles. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 19:05, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not sure how you added sales data for a book that, as of twelve days ago, wasn't published... I also revised the information you added to the article - you said "nearly $1 million", but the sources you provided say "half a million" Argento Surfer (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They raised over half a million dollars for the first issue. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ethan-van-sciver-s-cyberfrog-bloodhoney-comic-book#/ I have added it to the comics Wikiproject notice since they are better suited to find sources for this sort of thing. Dream Focus 01:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Dream Focus 01:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Ethan Van Sciver for now, with no prejudice against restoring it at a later date if its revival leads to more notability. As it stands now, none of the sources can be considered substantial coverage in reliable, secondary sources. There is a decent chance that the comic could garner more substantial coverage in the future, however, and a Redirect would allow the article's history to be retained. Rorshacma (talk) 15:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator comment: I would also support a redirect as well. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 16:11, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.