Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dave Andrews (activist)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn. If the sources do go into depth on the author, we could potentially build an article on the subject, but I remain skeptical without seeing the full text. It wholly depends on whether the coverage is local/minor (passing mentions) or goes into depth on his life. Someone else can pursue this as they please. czar 20:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Andrews (activist)

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A host of issues. This bio is a Christian activist and speaker, but for purposes of disambiguation, perhaps a writer foremost. The article is currently sourced entirely to primary (affiliated) sources, such as self-supplied author bios to websites/conferences (the patently unreliable sections have already been removed). There does not appear to be significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) with which to write an article that does justice to the topic. Of his many books, reliable reviews are not forthcoming, and his activism work does not appear to have been profiled in reliable sources. Andrews has appeared as a guest on multiple broadcasts, but for topical interest and not with sustained interest in his life/career. There are no suitable redirect targets. czar 18:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. czar 18:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, available sourcing meets WP:GNG. User talk:Czar, I started my evaluation by looking at the edit record and saw your diligent removal of a mass of unreliably-sourced material; while I didn't take a close look at your edit, I admire any editor willing to do the heavy-lifting of deleting a mass of badly-sourced material from a long-standing WP:BIO. My next step was to run a quick gNews search. Obviously he has a hopelessly common name, so I searched "Dave Andrews" + Christian and all this came up [1]. Right on the first page of the search there's a Q & A in the Sydney Morning Herald, "Lunch with Dave Andrews" Jihad for Jesus," [2]. Since he has been an activist for 40 years, my next step was a proquest archives search, also on "Dave Andrews" + Christian. 245 results, which is a lot for an activist, minor writer, and Right on the first page there were "Queensland Christian leader calls for end to Muslim hate; A Queensland Christian leader is encouraging the public to say G'day to Muslims and to accept their faith as a sign of solidarity.", ABC, [3] - a detailed article about his work; and "Across a Violent Divide", in The Australian, a long profile and analysis of Andrews' 2015 book "The Jihad Of Jesus - The Sacred Nonviolent Struggle For Justice" [4]. So I searched gNews for "The Jihad Of Jesus - The Sacred Nonviolent Struggle For Justice", and got, well, not a lot of hits, but some, [5]. Summing up, he's hardly in a league with Dorothy Day, but there does seem to be quite a lot of coverage. Maybe just tag it for improvement and keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did Google News searches too, but beyond that SMH and possibly ABC, it's all local news or cursory treatments: [6][7] and at the very least not significant coverage. My PQ access is down and I don't know when it'll be back up. @E.M.Gregory, would you please

email me those ProQuest texts? czar 21:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the ABC piece [8]; and from The Australian: [9].E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried a different keyword on Proquest (to make sure I really was seeing enough, given that you also tried and didn't find), this time I used "Dave Andrews" + India + Australia, places the articles I mentioned above said that he has worked. Up came: Evening Post More than a neighborly nod, PENNINGTON, Phil. Evening Post; Wellington, New Zealand [Wellington, New Zealand]06 Aug 1996: 5. [10], a profile describing him as "one of Australia's foremost practitioners of community development, but passionate. ". Faiths share goal of understanding, Passmore, Daryl. The Sunday Mail; Brisbane, Qld. [Brisbane, Qld]20 Apr 2008: 38. [11], an article about how Andrews helped an Afghan family immigrate to Australia and settle in. He's described as "a radical Christian leader... A community worker whose emphasis on practical spirituality over organised religion has often put him at odds with the church, Mr Andrews lives and works among some of Brisbane's most marginalised people in the inner-city suburb of West End -- indigenous people, drug-users, ex-prisoners and those with mental illness -- attempting to live, rather than merely preach, Jesus's teachings." The article has more on him. And there seem to be more , similar articles. Looks like he's been getting this kind of feature coverage for years, but you have to get lucky with the keywords your type in.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Going on your word, that's probably enough to write an article, but would you please share the full text with me so I can take a look (perhaps

by email or temporary dropbox)? czar 17:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC) @E.M.Gregory, ping czar 14:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note that article can be expanded with info found at a gBooks search on "Dave andrews" + "christian anarchist", here: [12]. Page should probably be moved to Dave Andrews (activist) because he is far better known for his social activism, than for his books.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, now that we have sources for his activism czar 17:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Some of the earlier books are with mainline Christian publishers. I am less familiar with the publishers of later works, but the amount is sufficient to warrant having a WP bio. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If so, where are the reviews? czar 20:28, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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