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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Spartaz Humbug! 20:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

David Taylor Kellock

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I'm quite willing to believe David Taylor Kellock was an active and busy stained glass artist, but there's no evidence here he meets WP:GNG. The only citation here is an article by him in a student publication. Whatever the motivation was to write this article, I think it's had its day and time for it to be deleted. Sionk (talk) 14:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete My search for sources turned up nothing for "David Taylor Kellock", and only false positives for "David Kellock," so this does not meet the general notability guideline. Elspea756 (talk) 14:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this. I've added a few sources to the article and am leaning towards "Keep" at this point. Elspea756 (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak keep A local artisan and educator, we will need local sources to complete this. I did find him on two wikis (one Ballarat, one on Australian [monuments]) but those should not be considered reliable sources. I added one reference from a local newspaper on his retirement from teaching. I find no sources for the many works listed in the article. The only thing in the National Library of Australia is a photo of one of his designs in an archive. There is possible something about him in "Down, G. (1996). Almost in the dark: The reinstatement of a lost 19th century window. Historic Environment, 12(2b), 35–38." but I don't have access to it. Lamona (talk) 18:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This book, "Zimmer, Jenny. Stained Glass in Australia. United Kingdom, Oxford University Press, 1984." turns up for him on G-Books but the snippet ends just before listing his works. He's also listed in "Who's who in Art. United Kingdom, Art Trade Press, Limited, 1972." but again the snippet cuts off before any info is given. Lamona (talk) 18:39, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting due to the addition of sources. I see that the Keeps are fairly Weak but I think the discussion would benefit from a few more recently offered opinions.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 05:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep seems to be a fair bit of coverage turning up, seems to pass GNG. Beyond the above,
    • Here's a description of one of subjects works: [2]
    • Note about designing a stained glass window and some background info. Includes a quote from Kellock. Should still qualify as independent as it's not a full interview. [3]
    • Dedication of stained glass windows at Memorial Chapel, also noting Kellock as "the chapel artist" [4]
—siroχo 07:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the above user's impressive sourcing work. Chamaemelum (talk) 03:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Reading the above discussion without reviewing sources cited in the article could give a false impression, as one of the strongest sources, Hughes 1997, hasn't been mentioned yet. The reliability of Master's theses can be controversial, but frankly it's better coverage and analysis than the newspaper citations. I wouldn't use it to fight a claim in a peer-reviewed paper or PhD thesis, but it should establish notability here together with the Northern Star article and the identification of additional, inaccessible academic coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 04:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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