Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Debate camp

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The result was no consensus‎. No prejudice against merging. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Debate camp

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The concept of a debate camp doesn't seem to be notable in-and-of itself, with this page basically being a collection of primary sources linking to different camps. WP:BEFORE was difficult due to the deluge of primary sources, but I was unable to find consistent + independent coverage. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 11:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business and Education. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 11:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- This is the edge of WP:DINC. This purports to be an article, but is effectively a list of debate camps which definitely does not belong in the encyclopaedia (WP:NOTDB and WP:NOTDIRECTORY). However, it could become an actual article. I am seeing solid, secondary and tertiary references including [1], [2], and [3] (p38-40, 112-118). There are hundreds more, but this will be a monster to research digitally with the challenging signal-to-noise ratio noted by nominator. As for GNG, I think that this is a pretty mainstream concept with lots of supporting RS. Debate camps are a big deal for certain educational tracks, mainly for secondary schoolers but also for some adult learners. I can't find it any longer, but there was an excellent piece of MBA coursework a decade or two ago comparing the net impact of debate camps to programmes such as Toastmasters; its bibliography would have made a wonderful launchpad to sources. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am well aware of what debate camps are and the impact they can have on kids (My full-time job is as a speech and debate teacher). I am getting an "AccessDeniedAccess denied" error when I try to go to your first source and your third source is a self-published middle-grade textbook that definitely does not count for notability. The second source is solid, although it notes that research on debate camps is extremely limited. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 22:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was able to find this from the Washington Post (EBSCOhost wapo.f73785f8-5f3d-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78) but mostly only found puff-piece and ROTM coverage of specific camps, not of camps as a category. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 22:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eternal Shadow Talk 04:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 03:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Debate: where the subject is already covered. Owen× ☎ 17:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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