Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denis Murray (athlete)

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The result was Keep — Caknuck 15:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Murray (athlete)

Incomplete AfD nomination by unregistered editor. Reason given was 'Lacks notability'. As this is a procedural nomination, I abstain. S ^up? 13:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Strictly speaking, passes WP:BIO, having played at the top level of amateur sports. --Charlene 13:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak Delete~~ Per that article, only known for one event - failing WP:BIO. Placing third in the "first round heat" is not ver notable Corpx 17:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No assertion of notability.--Bryson 18:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, he was an Olympian and he at least placed. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 20:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Per that article, he placed third in the first heat, so he didn't even advance to the final heat. Corpx 21:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of this debate has been posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics. -- Jonel | Speak 23:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Keep. There is precedent to keep stub articles of Olympians who did not rank among the top few in a particular event at the Olympics. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henning Svensson and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Axel Andersson for two examples. Because of this, and the fact that competing at the Olympics is the highest amateur level of competition possible per WP:BIO, I suggest we keep this and any other articles like this we may come upon. _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐ 23:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since a country can send any athlete to the olympics, the talent level in the first round/heat is usually not very high. Corpx 18:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But by that logic, why would a country send a poor athlete? In actuality, that's probably the country's best athlete that was chosen to compete, but was just not as good as the other 50 athletes competing in the same event; merely a coincidence, or possible just due to lack of training. I would certainly hope that the United States Olympic Committee doesn't go to a high school track meet to pick the next Olympian! _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐ 19:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just some comments, for both of you. Generally, it is not true that countries can send "any" athlete to the Olympic Games. Qualification rules are somewhat complex, but the instances where an athlete can compete without having reached an Olympic qualifying mark are rare. Yes, countries can choose which of their qualified athletes to send, but if anyone at a high school track meet has made a qualifying mark, that's pretty damn impressive in and of itself. As for Murray, he was one of 11 runners from Great Britain in the 100 metres in 1908. Unfortunately, we don't know with any degree of accuracy how well he compared to the others, since the race officials only recorded the times of the fastest runners in each heat. Murray was in a heat with a guy who tied the Olympic record twice and won the gold medal that year--it's hardly fair to fault him for not winning that particular race, as nobody else could beat Walker either. -- Jonel | Speak 20:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll change my vote because of his long jump results, which were previously not noted in the articleAthletics_at_the_1908_Summer_Olympics_-_Men's_long_jump#Results Keep Corpx 06:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per WP:BIO. --Sue Anne 05:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 06:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:BIO, with WP:RS already in the article . Neier 08:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Satisfies our current criteria for notability for athletes. Andrwsc 04:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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