Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dhaka Derby

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Seems like the claims of notability are sufficiently well-supported by sources that they preclude deletion. A merger can be discussed on the talk page; it didn't gain consensus here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:09, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Dhaka Derby

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Aside from the unencyclopaedic nature of the article, it makes claims that are not in the single citation given. This rivalry may well exist but I can't find any evidence to support this. Even if it does exist, I'm not sure that it meets the guidelines set out by WP:NRIVALRY. Spiderone 09:43, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

• Nominator's note - This article has been tagged as failing the notability criteria for almost a year. Spiderone 09:45, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 09:46, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:46, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 10:23, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
• Delete - no evidence subject is notable, listed reference appears to be possibly unsafe/spam source. Eldumpo (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak keep - revised view, based on sources provided. The Dhaka Tribune and observerbd sources appear to confer some notability, albeit they are saying the Derby was bigger in the past. The cricket references are minor and I feel cricket is best removed from the article. Eldumpo (talk) 22:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - Can be found in reliable sources including four news organizations including ESPN.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 11:50, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

References

This proves that the rivalry exists but not quite that it's notable. Also, these sources are discussing two different supposed rivalries; some mention cricket and others mention football. Spiderone 11:48, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

• Suggestion - Alternatively, the information could be merged into the articles of the two relevant clubs. I can't see why, in any case, this would warrant a stand alone article. Spiderone 11:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
• Delete No evidence of notability.Seasider91 (talk) 20:08, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - clear GNG satisfying WP:NRIVALRY for the football derby as noted by the first three sources, all of which discuss the rivalry as a notion (rather than a specific match). All three of these sources come from major Bangladeshi news outlets; either a national newspaper or a major news publication from the capital city.

Further to the sources presented above, I would also note the following English-language sources which discuss the rivalry as a notion rather than simply the name of a game:

1. Dhaka Tribune - brief article positioning the derby as key game between arch rivals
2. Financial Express - article providing historical context and longevity of the derby

Agree there is some confusion with cricket in the second two which have nothing to do with this article, but the claims above of "no evidence of notability", particularly the second one posted after these sources are demonstrably wrong. Perhaps @GiantSnowman: and @Eldumpo: might review the first three sources presented if they have not already done so. It would also be useful for @Spiderone: to outline what more he needs beyond three significant dedicated articles on the rivalry and its history. Fenix down (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Fenix down: I'm starting to feel that outright deletion might be harsh. I still don't see why this article needs to exist, though. Would it not make more sense to merge any relevant content into the articles of the two clubs? Even with the sources being incorporated, it would still likely be a stub and a small stub at that. Spiderone 18:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

I think the three sources in English noted above would allow for prose of sufficient length that it would cause imbalance in the club article. I think Hack's point below is especially valid, there is strong indications of GNG before we even begin to look at local language sources. To be honest, I would not be surprised to see that there would be enough that Dhaka Derby would become a dab, with separate articles on Dhaka Derby (football) and Dhaka Derby (cricket). Fenix down (talk) 08:25, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

• Comment a quick look at some English-language sources suggests this used to be a pretty big deal. It may be worth getting someone who can speak Bengali to have a deeper look for sources. Hack (talk) 07:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:16, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.